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"quibbler" |
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16 May 2004 05:34:14 PM |
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Troy movie advances religious skepticism |
I watched the new movie _Troy_ the other day and I liked the fact that
the movie puts a somewhat anti-religious spin on the Iliad. I've
noticed that many reviews of the movie are somewhat tepid and/or tend to
childishly carp and whine about things like the fact that the movie is
almost 3 hours long, or that it doesn't have the formulaic Hollywood
happy ending. However, I can't help thinking that, at least
psychologically, some movie critics also don't like the anti-religious
implications of the show. That may be why they aren't giving it rave
reviews.
Some examples of the anti-religious messages of the movie include
statements by Achilles (Brad Pitt) and Hector (Eric Bana) wherein they
both voice dripping sarcasm about the notion that the god Apollo will
intervene in the war. Most notably, in the case of Hector, when he is
told by the high priest that Apollo will give them victory he asks, "How
many soldiers does Apollo command?" (or something similar). Likewise,
Achilles desecrates the temple of Apollo and then keeps daring the sun
god to come down and do something about it. Now, it's been a while
since I read much of the Iliad, so I can't be positive, but I suspect
that this kind of impiety is exaggerated by the movie. Still, it's nice
to see it, because at least some audience members should realize that
it's only a small leap from being impious about the Greek gods, to being
impious and skeptical about the Judeo/Xian version(s).
So I'd encourage other atheists to see the movie and let me know what
you think. If anyone has already seen it then tell me if your
impressions matched what I'm describing.
--
Quibbler (quibbler247atyahoo.com)
"It is fashionable to wax apocalyptic about the
threat to humanity posed by the AIDS virus, 'mad cow'
disease, and many others, but I think a case can be
made that faith is one of the world's great evils,
comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to
eradicate." -- Richard Dawkins
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| User: "Goodness Godless" |
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| Title: Re: Troy movie advances religious skepticism |
16 May 2004 10:56:08 PM |
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"quibbler" <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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I watched the new movie _Troy_ the other day and I liked the fact that
the movie puts a somewhat anti-religious spin on the Iliad.
The Trailers still give the impresssion that they have turned Epic Greek
Homer
into Black and White Hollywood. I'll wait till it come to the small screen.
I've
noticed that many reviews of the movie are somewhat tepid and/or tend to
childishly carp and whine about things like the fact that the movie is
almost 3 hours long, or that it doesn't have the formulaic Hollywood
happy ending. However, I can't help thinking that, at least
psychologically, some movie critics also don't like the anti-religious
implications of the show. That may be why they aren't giving it rave
reviews.
Some examples of the anti-religious messages of the movie include
statements by Achilles (Brad Pitt) and Hector (Eric Bana) wherein they
both voice dripping sarcasm about the notion that the god Apollo will
intervene in the war. Most notably, in the case of Hector, when he is
told by the high priest that Apollo will give them victory he asks, "How
many soldiers does Apollo command?" (or something similar). Likewise,
Achilles desecrates the temple of Apollo and then keeps daring the sun
god to come down and do something about it. Now, it's been a while
since I read much of the Iliad, so I can't be positive, but I suspect
that this kind of impiety is exaggerated by the movie. Still, it's nice
to see it, because at least some audience members should realize that
it's only a small leap from being impious about the Greek gods, to being
impious and skeptical about the Judeo/Xian version(s).
So I'd encourage other atheists to see the movie and let me know what
you think. If anyone has already seen it then tell me if your
impressions matched what I'm describing.
--
Quibbler (quibbler247atyahoo.com)
"It is fashionable to wax apocalyptic about the
threat to humanity posed by the AIDS virus, 'mad cow'
disease, and many others, but I think a case can be
made that faith is one of the world's great evils,
comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to
eradicate." -- Richard Dawkins
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: Troy movie advances religious skepticism |
16 May 2004 06:31:20 PM |
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On Sun, 16 May 2004 16:34:14 -0600, quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote:
Still, it's nice
to see it, because at least some audience members should realize that
it's only a small leap from being impious about the Greek gods, to being
impious and skeptical about the Judeo/Xian version(s).
Good old quib. Still can't tell the difference between Greek mythology and the truths of
Judeo/Christian faiths.
So I'd encourage other atheists to see the movie and let me know what
you think. If anyone has already seen it then tell me if your
impressions matched what I'm describing.
Why would one confused atheist be different from another confused atheist?
duke
*****
John 6
53Jesus said to them, "I tell you the truth, unless
you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his
blood, you have no life in you. 54Whoever eats my
flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I
will raise him up at the last day.
*****
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| User: "Geoff" |
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| Title: Re: Troy movie advances religious skepticism |
16 May 2004 06:55:48 PM |
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Sun, 16 May 2004 16:34:14 -0600, quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Still, it's nice
to see it, because at least some audience members should realize that
it's only a small leap from being impious about the Greek gods, to being
impious and skeptical about the Judeo/Xian version(s).
Good old quib. Still can't tell the difference between Greek mythology
and the truths of
Judeo/Christian faiths.
Truths? Care to share some?
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| User: "duke" |
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17 May 2004 05:12:15 PM |
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On Sun, 16 May 2004 23:55:48 GMT, "Geoff" <gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote:
"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
news:l8ufa051ei2frnue6gij0kqjarteeckdg4@4ax.com...
On Sun, 16 May 2004 16:34:14 -0600, quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Still, it's nice
to see it, because at least some audience members should realize that
it's only a small leap from being impious about the Greek gods, to being
impious and skeptical about the Judeo/Xian version(s).
Good old quib. Still can't tell the difference between Greek mythology
and the truths of
Judeo/Christian faiths.
Truths? Care to share some?
God exists. Jesus is God become man. Jesus died on the cross and on the 3 day of burial
did rise from the dead to walk and talk and eat and drink with 500+ of his disciples for
40 days.
And after all is said and done, no greek god ever lifted a finger.
duke
*****
John 6
53Jesus said to them, "I tell you the truth, unless
you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his
blood, you have no life in you. 54Whoever eats my
flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I
will raise him up at the last day.
*****
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| User: "quibbler" |
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| Title: Re: Troy movie advances religious skepticism |
17 May 2004 09:47:26 PM |
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In article <m2eia05cetvfe1btrkqmc9ik7pt1sn9nuk@4ax.com>,
duckgumbo32@cox.net says...
On Sun, 16 May 2004 23:55:48 GMT, "Geoff" <gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote:
Truths? Care to share some?
God exists.
Nope. Zeus is a myth and so is jesus.
Jesus is God become man.
Horseshit. That's as believable as the assertion that Hercules really
held up the sky and that he pushed apart the rocks of Gibraltar.
Remaining xian nonsense snipped.
--
Quibbler (quibbler247atyahoo.com)
"It is fashionable to wax apocalyptic about the
threat to humanity posed by the AIDS virus, 'mad cow'
disease, and many others, but I think a case can be
made that faith is one of the world's great evils,
comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to
eradicate." -- Richard Dawkins
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| User: "duke" |
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18 May 2004 05:41:49 PM |
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On Mon, 17 May 2004 20:47:26 -0600, quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote:
Jesus is God become man.
Horseshit. That's as believable as the assertion that Hercules really
held up the sky and that he pushed apart the rocks of Gibraltar.
Face it, quib, you are lost.
duke
*****
John 6
53Jesus said to them, "I tell you the truth, unless
you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his
blood, you have no life in you. 54Whoever eats my
flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I
will raise him up at the last day.
*****
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| User: "Eris" |
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17 May 2004 05:24:25 PM |
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On Mon, 17 May 2004 17:12:15 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Sun, 16 May 2004 23:55:48 GMT, "Geoff" <gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote:
"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
news:l8ufa051ei2frnue6gij0kqjarteeckdg4@4ax.com...
On Sun, 16 May 2004 16:34:14 -0600, quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Still, it's nice
to see it, because at least some audience members should realize that
it's only a small leap from being impious about the Greek gods, to being
impious and skeptical about the Judeo/Xian version(s).
Good old quib. Still can't tell the difference between Greek mythology
and the truths of
Judeo/Christian faiths.
Truths? Care to share some?
God exists. Jesus is God become man. Jesus died on the cross and on the 3 day of burial
did rise from the dead to walk and talk and eat and drink with 500+ of his disciples for
40 days.
And after all is said and done, no greek god ever lifted a finger.
I resent that
Eris
duke
*****
John 6
53Jesus said to them, "I tell you the truth, unless
you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his
blood, you have no life in you. 54Whoever eats my
flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I
will raise him up at the last day.
*****
--Remove Pi from email.
It was like that when I found it.
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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17 May 2004 11:12:26 PM |
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One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach duke:
Truths? Care to share some?
God exists.
Truth is usually accompanied by evidence. Got some?
Jesus is God become man.
Your assertion. Got evidence to back it up?
Jesus died on the cross and on
the 3 day of burial did rise from the dead to walk and talk and eat
and drink with 500+ of his disciples for 40 days.
Your assertion. Got evidence to back it up?
And after all is said and done, no greek god ever lifted a finger.
Well, one out of four ain't bad. For a batting average...
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Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
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Give a man a fish, and you'll feed him for a day.
Give him a religion, and he'll starve to death while praying for a fish.
--Timothy Jones
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| User: "duke" |
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18 May 2004 05:42:46 PM |
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On Tue, 18 May 2004 04:12:26 GMT, Vic Sagerquist <address@withheld.com> wrote:
God exists.
Truth is usually accompanied by evidence. Got some?
All evidence demands the existence of almighty God.
duke
*****
John 6
53Jesus said to them, "I tell you the truth, unless
you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his
blood, you have no life in you. 54Whoever eats my
flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I
will raise him up at the last day.
*****
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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18 May 2004 06:27:40 PM |
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One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach duke:
On Tue, 18 May 2004 04:12:26 GMT, Vic Sagerquist
<address@withheld.com> wrote:
God exists.
Truth is usually accompanied by evidence. Got some?
All evidence demands the existence of almighty God.
All atheists demand evidence of this god thing you keep talking about.
Put up or shut up.
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Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
______________
Give a man a fish, and you'll feed him for a day.
Give him a religion, and he'll starve to death while praying for a fish.
--Timothy Jones
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| User: "duke" |
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19 May 2004 05:20:03 PM |
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On Tue, 18 May 2004 23:27:40 GMT, Vic Sagerquist <address@withheld.com> wrote:
All evidence demands the existence of almighty God.
All atheists demand evidence of this god thing you keep talking about.
Put up or shut up.
You got it. There is nothing to the contrary that even suggests the non existence of God.
duke
*****
John 6
53Jesus said to them, "I tell you the truth, unless
you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his
blood, you have no life in you. 54Whoever eats my
flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I
will raise him up at the last day.
*****
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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19 May 2004 10:43:45 PM |
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One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach duke:
On Tue, 18 May 2004 23:27:40 GMT, Vic Sagerquist
<address@withheld.com> wrote:
All evidence demands the existence of almighty God.
All atheists demand evidence of this god thing you keep talking about.
Put up or shut up.
You got it. There is nothing to the contrary that even suggests the
non existence of God.
And you got it baaaad.
Wake up, duke. There's nothing to the contrary that even suggests the
non-existence of Cthulhu either.
Repent while there's still time...
No, you'll get eaten alive anyway. Cthulhu is like that.
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
______________
Give a man a fish, and you'll feed him for a day.
Give him a religion, and he'll starve to death while praying for a fish.
--Timothy Jones
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| User: "stoney" |
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17 May 2004 09:11:23 PM |
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On Sun, 16 May 2004 23:55:48 GMT, "Geoff" <gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com>,
Message ID: <8cTpc.63272$xw3.3696039@attbi_s04> wrote in alt.atheism;
"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
news:l8ufa051ei2frnue6gij0kqjarteeckdg4@4ax.com...
On Sun, 16 May 2004 16:34:14 -0600, quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Still, it's nice
to see it, because at least some audience members should realize that
it's only a small leap from being impious about the Greek gods, to being
impious and skeptical about the Judeo/Xian version(s).
Good old quib. Still can't tell the difference between Greek mythology
and the truths of
Judeo/Christian faiths.
Truths? Care to share some?
Puke and truth are diametric opposites.
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "quibbler" |
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16 May 2004 10:20:16 PM |
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In article <l8ufa051ei2frnue6gij0kqjarteeckdg4@4ax.com>,
duckgumbo32@cox.net says...
On Sun, 16 May 2004 16:34:14 -0600, quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote:
Still, it's nice
to see it, because at least some audience members should realize that
it's only a small leap from being impious about the Greek gods, to being
impious and skeptical about the Judeo/Xian version(s).
Good old quib. Still can't tell the difference between Greek mythology and the truths of
Judeo/Christian faiths.
Considering that both are equally false, there is no significant
different the mythological religion of the Greeks and the mythological
nonsense religion of Jews and Xians.
--
Quibbler (quibbler247atyahoo.com)
"It is fashionable to wax apocalyptic about the
threat to humanity posed by the AIDS virus, 'mad cow'
disease, and many others, but I think a case can be
made that faith is one of the world's great evils,
comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to
eradicate." -- Richard Dawkins
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| User: "duke" |
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17 May 2004 05:13:51 PM |
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On Sun, 16 May 2004 21:20:16 -0600, quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote:
Considering that both are equally false, there is no significant
different the mythological religion of the Greeks and the mythological
nonsense religion of Jews and Xians.
How do you know? Answer - you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
duke
*****
John 6
53Jesus said to them, "I tell you the truth, unless
you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his
blood, you have no life in you. 54Whoever eats my
flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I
will raise him up at the last day.
*****
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| User: "quibbler" |
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17 May 2004 09:44:25 PM |
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In article <p7eia0plsfdm7fv5sjjc6qgjfjm00eg32c@4ax.com>,
duckgumbo32@cox.net says...
On Sun, 16 May 2004 21:20:16 -0600, quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote:
Considering that both are equally false, there is no significant
different the mythological religion of the Greeks and the mythological
nonsense religion of Jews and Xians.
How do you know?
You're the one who suggested that Greek mythology was false. Yet you
fail to apply the same reasonable standard to the ridiculous
mythological stories in the old and new testament. I know that greek
mythology is false for the same reason that judeo/xian mythology is
false. It makes demonstrably false claims about the world and therefore
these ancient superstitions can justifiably be rejected.
Answer - you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
Spare me your laughable hypocrisy, puke, you clueless moron.
--
Quibbler (quibbler247atyahoo.com)
"It is fashionable to wax apocalyptic about the
threat to humanity posed by the AIDS virus, 'mad cow'
disease, and many others, but I think a case can be
made that faith is one of the world's great evils,
comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to
eradicate." -- Richard Dawkins
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| User: "duke" |
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18 May 2004 05:52:00 PM |
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On Mon, 17 May 2004 20:44:25 -0600, quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote:
How do you know?
You're the one who suggested that Greek mythology was false.
No, the world knows that, but not atheists.
Yet you
fail to apply the same reasonable standard to the ridiculous
mythological stories in the old and new testament.
Why are they ridiculous - other than your saying so?
I know that greek
mythology is false for the same reason that judeo/xian mythology is
false.
Ooooooooook, so tell me why. And I will accept that the judeo/xian mythology is false and
that the judeo/xian truth is true.
..
It makes demonstrably false claims about the world and therefore
these ancient superstitions can justifiably be rejected.
Reject them all you wish - it's your funeral day.
Answer - you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
Spare me your laughable hypocrisy, puke, you clueless moron.
Is it remotely possible that you have one tiny bit of truth to add. botox is calling you.
duke
*****
John 6
53Jesus said to them, "I tell you the truth, unless
you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his
blood, you have no life in you. 54Whoever eats my
flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I
will raise him up at the last day.
*****
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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17 May 2004 09:51:01 PM |
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One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach duke:
On Sun, 16 May 2004 21:20:16 -0600, quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Considering that both are equally false, there is no significant
different the mythological religion of the Greeks and the mythological
nonsense religion of Jews and Xians.
How do you know? Answer - you have absolutely no idea what you're
talking about.
I win.
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
______________
Give a man a fish, and you'll feed him for a day.
Give him a religion, and he'll starve to death while praying for a fish.
--Timothy Jones
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| User: "duke" |
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18 May 2004 05:52:26 PM |
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On Tue, 18 May 2004 02:51:01 GMT, Vic Sagerquist <address@withheld.com> wrote:
One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach duke:
On Sun, 16 May 2004 21:20:16 -0600, quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Considering that both are equally false, there is no significant
different the mythological religion of the Greeks and the mythological
nonsense religion of Jews and Xians.
How do you know? Answer - you have absolutely no idea what you're
talking about.
I win.
Nooooooo, I don't see that.
duke
*****
John 6
53Jesus said to them, "I tell you the truth, unless
you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his
blood, you have no life in you. 54Whoever eats my
flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I
will raise him up at the last day.
*****
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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18 May 2004 06:29:38 PM |
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One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach duke:
On Tue, 18 May 2004 02:51:01 GMT, Vic Sagerquist
<address@withheld.com> wrote:
One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach duke:
On Sun, 16 May 2004 21:20:16 -0600, quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Considering that both are equally false, there is no significant
different the mythological religion of the Greeks and the
mythological nonsense religion of Jews and Xians.
How do you know? Answer - you have absolutely no idea what you're
talking about.
I win.
Nooooooo, I don't see that.
I do. I win.
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
______________
Give a man a fish, and you'll feed him for a day.
Give him a religion, and he'll starve to death while praying for a fish.
--Timothy Jones
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| User: "Alex" |
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16 May 2004 07:12:52 PM |
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On Sun, 16 May 2004 18:31:20 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Sun, 16 May 2004 16:34:14 -0600, quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote:
Still, it's nice
to see it, because at least some audience members should realize that
it's only a small leap from being impious about the Greek gods, to being
impious and skeptical about the Judeo/Xian version(s).
Good old quib. Still can't tell the difference between Greek mythology and the truths of
Judeo/Christian faiths.
If you were born back in those times, which god would you pray to?
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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17 May 2004 12:54:02 AM |
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"Alex" <a@b.c> wrote in message
news:er0ga09klncpn13ca9kiur4jfs7l4s2rtg@4ax.com...
On Sun, 16 May 2004 18:31:20 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Sun, 16 May 2004 16:34:14 -0600, quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Still, it's nice
to see it, because at least some audience members should realize that
it's only a small leap from being impious about the Greek gods, to being
impious and skeptical about the Judeo/Xian version(s).
Good old quib. Still can't tell the difference between Greek mythology
and the truths of
Judeo/Christian faiths.
If you were born back in those times, which god would you pray to?
Excellent question. I often wonder if Christians think they could
back-engineer their bible. They say the proof of god is all around us, but
given just what we see around us, would it really point inexorably towards a
god, and the specific one described in the bible?
I think not.
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
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| User: "duke" |
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17 May 2004 05:30:51 PM |
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On Mon, 17 May 2004 00:54:02 -0500, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote:
If you were born back in those times, which god would you pray to?
Excellent question. I often wonder if Christians think they could
back-engineer their bible. They say the proof of god is all around us, but
given just what we see around us, would it really point inexorably towards a
god, and the specific one described in the bible?
I think not.
Oh, but the great part is that the teaching of God could never have been fabricated by man
- so much comes together to bring one's knowledge that the love of God is offered to us
not in happy things and times, but sad things and some happy times now, to be truly
fulfilled in our life after life. Suffering brings us together to love one another as God
loves us. To lack total freedom is to be more enjoyable than to have total freedom.
No man/men could offered such or dreamed up such a faith. It's takes divine intervention.
I guide my life to please God in the way I enact love to the lesser of his creatures. Not
because I would have all the money I want, or the biggest house, et..
Only the one and only almighty God calls for love of he to be demonstrated in our love for
our fellow man.
For you atheists, that's asking too much, I guess.
So your answer is no - no piece of inanimate wood would do better than God almighty.
duke
*****
John 6
53Jesus said to them, "I tell you the truth, unless
you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his
blood, you have no life in you. 54Whoever eats my
flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I
will raise him up at the last day.
*****
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17 May 2004 06:11:05 PM |
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Mon, 17 May 2004 00:54:02 -0500, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote:
If you were born back in those times, which god would you pray to?
Excellent question. I often wonder if Christians think they could
back-engineer their bible. They say the proof of god is all around us,
but
given just what we see around us, would it really point inexorably
towards a
god, and the specific one described in the bible?
I think not.
Oh, but the great part is that the teaching of God could never have been
fabricated by man
Then how come all of it was?
- so much comes together to bring one's knowledge that the love of God is
offered to us
not in happy things and times, but sad things and some happy times now, to
be truly
fulfilled in our life after life. Suffering brings us together to love
one another as God
loves us. To lack total freedom is to be more enjoyable than to have
total freedom.
Well, should I wish for you to suffer more so that you can better experience
that love?
No man/men could offered such or dreamed up such a faith.
*****. People did it before your religion, during your religion, and
they'll make up more faiths after your religion is dead and gone.
It's takes divine intervention.
Nonsense. Heck, I bet even you could write something as stupid as the bible.
I guide my life to please God in the way I enact love to the lesser of his
creatures.
You live your life the way you want to. You use the god concept to
rationalize it.
Not
because I would have all the money I want, or the biggest house, et..
Oh, but the pride of always thinking you're absolutely right and better than
us lowly atheists was just one temptation too many, eh?
Only the one and only almighty God calls for love of he to be demonstrated
in our love for
our fellow man.
Then why don't you? Or is the hateful bile you spew an example of that love?
For you atheists, that's asking too much, I guess.
There you go again, hateful spew, with no love in sight.
So your answer is no - no piece of inanimate wood would do better than God
almighty.
Ahh, and where would hateful spew be without the smug, arrogant pride that
goes along with it?
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
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18 May 2004 05:44:14 PM |
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On Mon, 17 May 2004 18:11:05 -0500, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote:
Oh, but the great part is that the teaching of God could never have been
fabricated by man
Then how come all of it was?
Your question begs the answer - it isn't fabricated.
duke
*****
John 6
53Jesus said to them, "I tell you the truth, unless
you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his
blood, you have no life in you. 54Whoever eats my
flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I
will raise him up at the last day.
*****
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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19 May 2004 12:57:59 PM |
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Mon, 17 May 2004 18:11:05 -0500, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote:
Oh, but the great part is that the teaching of God could never have
been
fabricated by man
Then how come all of it was?
Your question begs the answer
WOW! My question DID beg the answer. You actually got that part right. Duke
being right about something, this has GOT to be a first.
- it isn't fabricated.
Awww, nope, that's wrong. Maybe the first part was just coincidence, like a
stopped clock being right twice a day.
How disappointing.
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
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| User: "duke" |
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19 May 2004 05:22:49 PM |
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On Wed, 19 May 2004 12:57:59 -0500, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote:
Oh, but the great part is that the teaching of God could never have
been
fabricated by man
Then how come all of it was?
Your question begs the answer
WOW! My question DID beg the answer. You actually got that part right. Duke
being right about something, this has GOT to be a first.
That's right - it was not fabricated by man.
Aww, nope, that's wrong. Maybe the first part was just coincidence, like a
stopped clock being right twice a day.
No, only God could have come up with the perfect plan. There's no way something so
magnificent and immense could have been dreamed up by any human.
How disappointing.
I'm sure you are, but you'll get over it, especially when you reconsider your mistake.
duke
*****
John 6
53Jesus said to them, "I tell you the truth, unless
you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his
blood, you have no life in you. 54Whoever eats my
flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I
will raise him up at the last day.
*****
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19 May 2004 10:54:00 PM |
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Wed, 19 May 2004 12:57:59 -0500, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote:
Oh, but the great part is that the teaching of God could never have
been
fabricated by man
Then how come all of it was?
Your question begs the answer
WOW! My question DID beg the answer. You actually got that part right.
Duke
being right about something, this has GOT to be a first.
That's right - it was not fabricated by man.
Aww, nope, that's wrong. Maybe the first part was just coincidence, like
a
stopped clock being right twice a day.
No, only God could have come up with the perfect plan. There's no way
something so
magnificent and immense could have been dreamed up by any human.
But, Ronald Dean, another of your ilk in another thread, tells us the god
regretted making man. How can the plan be perfect if the god doesn't like
the results?
Is something magnificent if you have to drown everyone in an attempt to
correct the mistakes in its magnificence?
How disappointing.
I'm sure you are, but you'll get over it, especially when you reconsider
your mistake.
Oh, should I drown everyone to correct the mistake, like your god is said to
have done?
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Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
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17 May 2004 05:13:03 PM |
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On Sun, 16 May 2004 20:12:52 -0400, Alex <a@b.c> wrote:
Good old quib. Still can't tell the difference between Greek mythology and the truths of
Judeo/Christian faiths.
If you were born back in those times, which god would you pray to?
Not a piece of wood. The answer is almighty God.
duke
*****
John 6
53Jesus said to them, "I tell you the truth, unless
you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his
blood, you have no life in you. 54Whoever eats my
flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I
will raise him up at the last day.
*****
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| User: "Alex" |
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18 May 2004 07:10:44 AM |
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On Mon, 17 May 2004 17:13:03 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Sun, 16 May 2004 20:12:52 -0400, Alex <a@b.c> wrote:
Good old quib. Still can't tell the difference between Greek mythology and the truths of
Judeo/Christian faiths.
If you were born back in those times, which god would you pray to?
Not a piece of wood. The answer is almighty God.
Which God would you worship?
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