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"Mike Painter" |
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14 Apr 2004 01:44:31 PM |
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truce will not last much longer |
"FALLUJAH, Iraq (AP) - U.S. warplanes and helicopters firing heavy
machine-guns, rockets and cannons hammered fighters in the besieged city of
Fallujah, and the commander of Marines here warned Wednesday that a fragile,
often-shaken truce will not last much longer. "
I guess the Marines and by extension our military have a different idea of
what a truce is.
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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14 Apr 2004 01:54:55 PM |
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"Mike Painter" <mdotpainter@att.net> wrote in
news:jEffc.30591$i74.653115@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net:
"FALLUJAH, Iraq (AP) - U.S. warplanes and helicopters firing heavy
machine-guns, rockets and cannons hammered fighters in the besieged
city of Fallujah, and the commander of Marines here warned Wednesday
that a fragile, often-shaken truce will not last much longer. "
I guess the Marines and by extension our military have a different
idea of what a truce is.
"I don't forecast that this stalemate will go on for long," said Maj. Gen.
James N. Mattis, commander of the 1st Marine Division. "It's hard to have a
cease-fire when they maneuver against us, they fire at us. We are trying to
maintain the cease-fire, but the enemy is not maintaining the cease-fire."
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Cthulhu for President! Why vote for a lesser evil?
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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| Title: Re: truce will not last much longer |
14 Apr 2004 05:30:52 PM |
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
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"Mike Painter" <mdotpainter@att.net> wrote in
news:jEffc.30591$i74.653115@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net:
"FALLUJAH, Iraq (AP) - U.S. warplanes and helicopters firing heavy
machine-guns, rockets and cannons hammered fighters in the besieged
city of Fallujah, and the commander of Marines here warned Wednesday
that a fragile, often-shaken truce will not last much longer. "
I guess the Marines and by extension our military have a different
idea of what a truce is.
"I don't forecast that this stalemate will go on for long," said Maj. Gen.
James N. Mattis, commander of the 1st Marine Division. "It's hard to have
a
cease-fire when they maneuver against us, they fire at us. We are trying
to
maintain the cease-fire, but the enemy is not maintaining the cease-fire."
A serious attempt at a cease fire, which most non US news agency say never
existed, would have troops withdraw from the affected area. This would be
especially true if the administration actually believed any of the lip
service they are feeding us about it being "gangs" of rabble rousers, rather
than an effective organized resistance movement supported by the people.
As the US Army *used* to teach it's soldiers in basic training, "The
guerilla is the fish and the people are the water. A fish can not survive
without water."
Bush should read a little about his father's war and find out what the
people of Europe suffered supporting their resistance fighters under German
rule.
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| User: "Fester" |
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15 Apr 2004 03:57:07 PM |
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"Mike Painter" <mdotpainter@att.net> wrote in message
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
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"Mike Painter" <mdotpainter@att.net> wrote in
news:jEffc.30591$i74.653115@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net:
"FALLUJAH, Iraq (AP) - U.S. warplanes and helicopters firing heavy
machine-guns, rockets and cannons hammered fighters in the besieged
city of Fallujah, and the commander of Marines here warned Wednesday
that a fragile, often-shaken truce will not last much longer. "
I guess the Marines and by extension our military have a different
idea of what a truce is.
"I don't forecast that this stalemate will go on for long," said Maj.
Gen.
James N. Mattis, commander of the 1st Marine Division. "It's hard to
have
a
cease-fire when they maneuver against us, they fire at us. We are trying
to
maintain the cease-fire, but the enemy is not maintaining the
cease-fire."
A serious attempt at a cease fire, which most non US news agency say never
existed, would have troops withdraw from the affected area. This would be
especially true if the administration actually believed any of the lip
service they are feeding us about it being "gangs" of rabble rousers,
rather
than an effective organized resistance movement supported by the people.
As the US Army *used* to teach it's soldiers in basic training, "The
guerilla is the fish and the people are the water. A fish can not survive
without water."
Bush should read a little about his father's war and find out what the
people of Europe suffered supporting their resistance fighters under
German
rule.
And so you broadcast your complete ignorance about hte state of affairs in
Iraq. The people do not want the Iran-backed militants to succeed. Just as
they didn't want Saddam to stay in power. Iraq has been a nation under the
thumb of a brutal dictator for decades. Paranoia is a tried-and-true way of
life, and tey have learned it's better to be safe than sorry. As long as
we're around to do the dirty work, they seem pretty appy to let us. Your
misguided assumption is that their unwillingness to stick their necks out
constitutes active support and approval of Al Sadr's thugs. You have a lot
to learn.
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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| Title: Re: truce will not last much longer |
15 Apr 2004 05:06:32 PM |
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"Fester" <not@home.com> wrote in message
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A serious attempt at a cease fire, which most non US news agency say
never
existed, would have troops withdraw from the affected area. This would
be
especially true if the administration actually believed any of the lip
service they are feeding us about it being "gangs" of rabble rousers,
rather
than an effective organized resistance movement supported by the people.
As the US Army *used* to teach it's soldiers in basic training, "The
guerilla is the fish and the people are the water. A fish can not
survive
without water."
Bush should read a little about his father's war and find out what the
people of Europe suffered supporting their resistance fighters under
German
rule.
And so you broadcast your complete ignorance about hte state of affairs in
Iraq. The people do not want the Iran-backed militants to succeed. Just
as
they didn't want Saddam to stay in power. Iraq has been a nation under
the
thumb of a brutal dictator for decades. Paranoia is a tried-and-true way
of
life, and tey have learned it's better to be safe than sorry. As long as
we're around to do the dirty work, they seem pretty appy to let us. Your
misguided assumption is that their unwillingness to stick their necks out
constitutes active support and approval of Al Sadr's thugs. You have a
lot
to learn.
You really should find some sources outside the USA to read if you believe
this.
Or read some history.
Or wait. The true story is starting to get by our censors.
The army taught me about an insurgency in the Philippines that was crushed
quickly because the people did not support it.
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| User: "Fester" |
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17 Apr 2004 04:55:23 PM |
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"Mike Painter" <mdotpainter@att.net> wrote in message
news:IHDfc.30724$K_.759342@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
"Fester" <not@home.com> wrote in message
news:DGCfc.19917$yv.325969@twister.southeast.rr.com...
A serious attempt at a cease fire, which most non US news agency say
never
existed, would have troops withdraw from the affected area. This would
be
especially true if the administration actually believed any of the lip
service they are feeding us about it being "gangs" of rabble rousers,
rather
than an effective organized resistance movement supported by the
people.
As the US Army *used* to teach it's soldiers in basic training, "The
guerilla is the fish and the people are the water. A fish can not
survive
without water."
Bush should read a little about his father's war and find out what the
people of Europe suffered supporting their resistance fighters under
German
rule.
And so you broadcast your complete ignorance about hte state of affairs
in
Iraq. The people do not want the Iran-backed militants to succeed.
Just
as
they didn't want Saddam to stay in power. Iraq has been a nation under
the
thumb of a brutal dictator for decades. Paranoia is a tried-and-true
way
of
life, and tey have learned it's better to be safe than sorry. As long
as
we're around to do the dirty work, they seem pretty appy to let us.
Your
misguided assumption is that their unwillingness to stick their necks
out
constitutes active support and approval of Al Sadr's thugs. You have a
lot
to learn.
You really should find some sources outside the USA to read if you believe
this.
Or read some history.
Or wait. The true story is starting to get by our censors.
The only censors are the ones at CNN, NBC, ABC, CBS, etc. The truth will
indeed get through, despite the liberal meadia's attemtps to bury it.
The army taught me about an insurgency in the Philippines that was crushed
quickly because the people did not support it.
Here's a clue. Iraq has about 25 million people. Baghdad has about 5
million people. Just how long do you think that a 100k soldiers would last
there if the people weren't behind them? I'd say that their life expectancy
would be measured in hours. Proof positive that you're FOS.
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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17 Apr 2004 08:05:00 PM |
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"Fester" <not@home.com> wrote in message
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"Mike Painter" <mdotpainter@att.net> wrote in message
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"Fester" <not@home.com> wrote in message
news:DGCfc.19917$yv.325969@twister.southeast.rr.com...
A serious attempt at a cease fire, which most non US news agency say
never
existed, would have troops withdraw from the affected area. This
would
be
especially true if the administration actually believed any of the
lip
service they are feeding us about it being "gangs" of rabble
rousers,
rather
than an effective organized resistance movement supported by the
people.
As the US Army *used* to teach it's soldiers in basic training,
"The
guerilla is the fish and the people are the water. A fish can not
survive
without water."
Bush should read a little about his father's war and find out what
the
people of Europe suffered supporting their resistance fighters under
German
rule.
And so you broadcast your complete ignorance about hte state of
affairs
in
Iraq. The people do not want the Iran-backed militants to succeed.
Just
as
they didn't want Saddam to stay in power. Iraq has been a nation
under
the
thumb of a brutal dictator for decades. Paranoia is a tried-and-true
way
of
life, and tey have learned it's better to be safe than sorry. As long
as
we're around to do the dirty work, they seem pretty appy to let us.
Your
misguided assumption is that their unwillingness to stick their necks
out
constitutes active support and approval of Al Sadr's thugs. You have
a
lot
to learn.
You really should find some sources outside the USA to read if you
believe
this.
Or read some history.
Or wait. The true story is starting to get by our censors.
The only censors are the ones at CNN, NBC, ABC, CBS, etc. The truth will
indeed get through, despite the liberal meadia's attemtps to bury it.
Are you claiming that they support the war?
If not then they should be reporting the casualities and not just the number
killed.
They should be reporting, as the rest of the world is, exactly how US troops
are being treated and how they are viewed.
They should be reporting US troops firing on unarmed, people dressed in UN
Blue walking away from a position with their arms in the air, as the rest of
the world has been doing.
The army taught me about an insurgency in the Philippines that was
crushed
quickly because the people did not support it.
Here's a clue. Iraq has about 25 million people. Baghdad has about 5
million people. Just how long do you think that a 100k soldiers would
last
there if the people weren't behind them? I'd say that their life
expectancy
would be measured in hours. Proof positive that you're FOS.
And I repeat that you know nothing of history.
The resistance of the French and Greeks in particular during WWII is worth
studying and speaks exactly to your comparison of military against
civilians.
It takes a lot of people to support the resistance.
I'd also look at the weapons the people of Baghdad have. Almost none, so
only a few can bring the fighting in any effective way.
Yet Bush is again going against his word, keeping people there over a year
and sending 20,000 more troops.
Oct 1965 got here a little faster this time.
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| User: "Fester" |
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17 Apr 2004 10:25:13 PM |
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"Mike Painter" <mdotpainter@att.net> wrote in message
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"Fester" <not@home.com> wrote in message
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"Mike Painter" <mdotpainter@att.net> wrote in message
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"Fester" <not@home.com> wrote in message
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A serious attempt at a cease fire, which most non US news agency
say
never
existed, would have troops withdraw from the affected area. This
would
be
especially true if the administration actually believed any of the
lip
service they are feeding us about it being "gangs" of rabble
rousers,
rather
than an effective organized resistance movement supported by the
people.
As the US Army *used* to teach it's soldiers in basic training,
"The
guerilla is the fish and the people are the water. A fish can not
survive
without water."
Bush should read a little about his father's war and find out what
the
people of Europe suffered supporting their resistance fighters
under
German
rule.
And so you broadcast your complete ignorance about hte state of
affairs
in
Iraq. The people do not want the Iran-backed militants to succeed.
Just
as
they didn't want Saddam to stay in power. Iraq has been a nation
under
the
thumb of a brutal dictator for decades. Paranoia is a
tried-and-true
way
of
life, and tey have learned it's better to be safe than sorry. As
long
as
we're around to do the dirty work, they seem pretty appy to let us.
Your
misguided assumption is that their unwillingness to stick their
necks
out
constitutes active support and approval of Al Sadr's thugs. You
have
a
lot
to learn.
You really should find some sources outside the USA to read if you
believe
this.
Or read some history.
Or wait. The true story is starting to get by our censors.
The only censors are the ones at CNN, NBC, ABC, CBS, etc. The truth
will
indeed get through, despite the liberal meadia's attemtps to bury it.
Are you claiming that they support the war?
I'm stating as a fact that they along with their print media counterparts at
the NY Times, LA Times, Wa Post, etc have done everything they can do to
portray a negative distortion of our efforts.
If not then they should be reporting the casualities and not just the
number
killed.
They have, idjit.
They should be reporting, as the rest of the world is, exactly how US
troops
are being treated and how they are viewed.
They havve, moron.
They should be reporting US troops firing on unarmed, people dressed in UN
Blue walking away from a position with their arms in the air, as the rest
of
the world has been doing.
Let's pretend that this particular slander did not originate from the
terminus of your alimentary channel. Just which issue of Al Jazeera did you
get this bit from? And are you going to tell me next that the terrorists
and thugs in Iraq are above dressing in UN blue or using ambulances to carry
out their crimes? Is there no lie you won't disgrace with by repeating?
Oh and while we're talking about that revered world government, just how
have they ever benefitted anyone? Their corrupt oil for food program
directly led to this war. Their pathetic attempt to 'help' in the postwar
ended with the first car bomb to come along. Yeah, let's entrust our
national security to them. That'll go well.
The army taught me about an insurgency in the Philippines that was
crushed
quickly because the people did not support it.
Here's a clue. Iraq has about 25 million people. Baghdad has about 5
million people. Just how long do you think that a 100k soldiers would
last
there if the people weren't behind them? I'd say that their life
expectancy
would be measured in hours. Proof positive that you're FOS.
And I repeat that you know nothing of history.
Keep on repeating. Maybe you'll even convince yourself that such is the
case.
The resistance of the French and Greeks in particular during WWII is worth
studying and speaks exactly to your comparison of military against
civilians.
It takes a lot of people to support the resistance.
I see that there's been a sale on red herrings. False anaolgies won't cut
it with me.
I'd also look at the weapons the people of Baghdad have. Almost none, so
only a few can bring the fighting in any effective way.
Now this qaulifies as the *stupidest* remark I've heard to date. Iraqis are
currently the most heavily armed people in the entire firggin' world.
Yet Bush is again going against his word, keeping people there over a year
and sending 20,000 more troops.
Oct 1965 got here a little faster this time.
"Is it Vietnam yet? Is it Vietnam yet?" No it isn't sonny, but you can
keep right on hoping.
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| User: "SMChristenson" |
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18 Apr 2004 08:40:09 AM |
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On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 01:05:00 +0000, Mike Painter wrote:
I'd also look at the weapons the people of Baghdad have. Almost none, so
only a few can bring the fighting in any effective way.
I don't know about this point after the reports of "triumphant" troops
rushing toward Bagdad while simultaneously driving past weapons stores
because there was nobody to spare to guard them. Rummy wanting to go in
on the cheap with 130K instead of the 400K the general recommended, as it
were.
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| User: "Fester" |
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18 Apr 2004 01:26:25 PM |
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"SMChristenson" <smchris@visi.com> wrote in message
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On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 01:05:00 +0000, Mike Painter wrote:
I'd also look at the weapons the people of Baghdad have. Almost none, so
only a few can bring the fighting in any effective way.
I don't know about this point after the reports of "triumphant" troops
rushing toward Bagdad while simultaneously driving past weapons stores
because there was nobody to spare to guard them. Rummy wanting to go in
on the cheap with 130K instead of the 400K the general recommended, as it
were.
Ah yes, still on your defeatist BS military assessments. Don't let the fact
that you were completely discredited with your dire, glooam and doom
assessments during the war when we were consolidatnig our positions outside
Baghdad. We didn't have enough "boots on the ground" then either. Do you
get ever get tired of being so wrong? Rumsfeld has proven himself to be a
brilliant, imaginative SecDef. He has started a revolutionary
transformation in the structure of our armed forces. One that has shown
that it can be far more effective, flexible and efficient. But go on
accepting whatever military dinosaurs like Clark or whoever you gobbled your
400k BS from. It's entertaining to watch you make such a fool of yourself.
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| User: "SMChristenson" |
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19 Apr 2004 06:26:12 AM |
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On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 18:26:25 +0000, Fester wrote:
"SMChristenson" <smchris@visi.com> wrote in message
news:pan.2004.04.18.13.40.09.68202@visi.com...
On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 01:05:00 +0000, Mike Painter wrote:
I'd also look at the weapons the people of Baghdad have. Almost none, so
only a few can bring the fighting in any effective way.
I don't know about this point after the reports of "triumphant" troops
rushing toward Bagdad while simultaneously driving past weapons stores
because there was nobody to spare to guard them. Rummy wanting to go in
on the cheap with 130K instead of the 400K the general recommended, as it
were.
Ah yes, still on your defeatist BS military assessments. Don't let the fact
Yeah. Yeah. Why don't you see if Rummy will give you a job in psych ops.
The facts don't need me to speak for them and whatever you say won't make
any difference either.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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15 Apr 2004 11:00:21 PM |
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On Wed, 14 Apr 2004 18:44:31 +0000 in episode
<jEffc.30591$i74.653115@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> we saw our
hero "Mike Painter" <mdotpainter@att.net>:
"FALLUJAH, Iraq (AP) - U.S. warplanes and helicopters firing heavy
machine-guns, rockets and cannons hammered fighters in the besieged city
of Fallujah, and the commander of Marines here warned Wednesday that a
fragile, often-shaken truce will not last much longer. "
I guess the Marines and by extension our military have a different idea
of what a truce is.
It seems nobody is in control over there. Bremer and the military don't
even seem to have been introduced. That hand picked "governing council" is
being pretty much ignored all the way around. The Marines seem to be
utterly on their own, answering to nobody at all. I've read statements
that they made "demands" as regards how the attempted cease fire was
conducted (the result being they didn't have to cease fire in the cease
fire). They contradict Bremer on a regular basis. The "governing council"
keeps trying to negotiate and the Marines blow them off with comments
they're just going to kill Sadr and that's that.
It's *amazing stuff to watch.
You know, Sadr is at *the* mosque of the Shia movement (Iman Ali IIRC). We
blunder through like water buffalo in a china closet, we stand a good
chance of turning the *entire movement against us. Not just the Iraqi
Shiite but Shiites. We'll look back on the violence now as the "calm" days...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
"Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism,
because it is a merger of State and corporate power."
- Mussolini
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| User: "JTEM" |
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16 Apr 2004 12:00:34 AM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <y@hoo.com-amikchi> wrote
It seems nobody is in control over there. Bremer
and the military don't even seem to have been
introduced. That hand picked "governing council"
is being pretty much ignored all the way around.
The Marines seem to be utterly on their own,
answering to nobody at all. I've read statements
that they made "demands" as regards how the
attempted cease fire was conducted (the result
being they didn't have to cease fire in the cease
fire). They contradict Bremer on a regular basis.
The "governing council" keeps trying to negotiate
and the Marines blow them off with comments
they're just going to kill Sadr and that's that.
One of the single most insane, self-defeating things you
could ever do is use the military to "police" a population.
Policing tasks discretion, it takes training. It has to come
as second nature. It's just too difficult to hand a young man
a gun and send him into a dangerous situation, surrounded
by unfriendly people (many of them trying to kill him), and
tell him to use force with discretion.
Once you train that into someone, once it becomes their
automatic reaction, how do you ever place them in a
combat situation again?
But we're going the other way.
We're taking Marines, people who have been trained (to
the point that it's an automatic reaction) to fight, and we're
asking them to "police" Iraq.
The military has never been suited to the job, and that's not
a bad thing. What is bad is the politicians who can't get this
simple & obvious fact through their thick skulls.
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| User: "stoney" |
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18 Apr 2004 10:13:51 AM |
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On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 01:00:34 -0400, "JTEM" <gymraven@hotmail.com>,
Message ID: <HKadnT2Q6sL6-uLdRVn-uw@comcast.com> wrote in alt.atheism;
"Mark K. Bilbo" <y@hoo.com-amikchi> wrote
It seems nobody is in control over there. Bremer
and the military don't even seem to have been
introduced. That hand picked "governing council"
is being pretty much ignored all the way around.
The Marines seem to be utterly on their own,
answering to nobody at all. I've read statements
that they made "demands" as regards how the
attempted cease fire was conducted (the result
being they didn't have to cease fire in the cease
fire). They contradict Bremer on a regular basis.
The "governing council" keeps trying to negotiate
and the Marines blow them off with comments
they're just going to kill Sadr and that's that.
One of the single most insane, self-defeating things you
could ever do is use the military to "police" a population.
Policing tasks discretion, it takes training. It has to come
as second nature. It's just too difficult to hand a young man
a gun and send him into a dangerous situation, surrounded
by unfriendly people (many of them trying to kill him), and
tell him to use force with discretion.
Once you train that into someone, once it becomes their
automatic reaction, how do you ever place them in a
combat situation again?
But we're going the other way.
We're taking Marines, people who have been trained (to
the point that it's an automatic reaction) to fight, and we're
asking them to "police" Iraq.
The military has never been suited to the job, and that's not
a bad thing. What is bad is the politicians who can't get this
simple & obvious fact through their thick skulls.
It's the "Jesus(tm)" deflector shields.
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "duke" |
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18 Apr 2004 02:39:12 PM |
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On Wed, 14 Apr 2004 18:44:31 GMT, "Mike Painter" <mdotpainter@att.net> wrote:
"FALLUJAH, Iraq (AP) - U.S. warplanes and helicopters firing heavy
machine-guns, rockets and cannons hammered fighters in the besieged city of
Fallujah, and the commander of Marines here warned Wednesday that a fragile,
often-shaken truce will not last much longer. "
I guess the Marines and by extension our military have a different idea of
what a truce is.
Oh, I thing they are the ones that know, and you are the one that doesn't.
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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| Title: Re: truce will not last much longer |
18 Apr 2004 07:55:36 PM |
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
news:n9m580ptdeu12vvf2fq2ahsq0m97f7gph5@4ax.com...
On Wed, 14 Apr 2004 18:44:31 GMT, "Mike Painter" <mdotpainter@att.net>
wrote:
"FALLUJAH, Iraq (AP) - U.S. warplanes and helicopters firing heavy
machine-guns, rockets and cannons hammered fighters in the besieged city
of
Fallujah, and the commander of Marines here warned Wednesday that a
fragile,
often-shaken truce will not last much longer. "
I guess the Marines and by extension our military have a different idea
of
what a truce is.
Oh, I thing they are the ones that know, and you are the one that doesn't.
I thing(sic) you need to either get back on your meds or get of the booze.
How are things going with your ISP, cox.net which serves your home town?
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