"jes" <jxsias@hotmail.com> wrote

Sadly many

Christians have gotten caught up in being moral authorities (the moral
police) exercising a spirit of intolerance and/or arrogant
self-righteousness and resort to impose and force their "better than
thou" views on others.

"Impose" is the wrong word. Imposing implies the use of force, superior
strength or authority. So unless you can give me an example of this, you
should discontinue the use of the word.

If you're talking about lawmaking, that doesn't apply.

"jes" <jxsias@hotmail.com> wrote

Sadly many

Christians have gotten caught up in being moral authorities (the moral
police) exercising a spirit of intolerance and/or arrogant
self-righteousness and resort to impose and force their "better than
thou" views on others.

"Impose" is the wrong word. Imposing implies the use of force, superior
strength or authority. So unless you can give me an example of this, you
should discontinue the use of the word.

Sadly many

Christians have gotten caught up in being moral authorities (the moral
police) exercising a spirit of intolerance and/or arrogant
self-righteousness and resort to impose and force their "better than
thou" views on others.

"Impose" is the wrong word. Imposing implies the use of force, superior
strength or authority. So unless you can give me an example of this, you
should discontinue the use of the word.

"jes" <jxsias@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1153954431.819666.34860@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

In a previous posting I described a fundamentalist (Christian) as
someone who believes in some of the fundamental aspects of Scripture:

You don't get it. Not at all. You appear to be a rather decent human being.
The problem is that you are as wrong about Jesus, 'God' and the bible as
'wrong' gets. You believe that a 1st-century Jew (in another incarnation)
created the universe. And what do you provide as proof? 'Faith' and a
collection of books -- none of which are 'orignal', the 'originals' have
*all* been lost, so much for their 'importance'. Your 'God' didn't even see
to their preservation. (More 'proof' that your 'belief-system' is faulty.)
Let me remind you. Not *one* single human being has ever irrefutably proved
the existence of 'God'. If he's so apparent to you, why not the rest of the
human population? Why not to the skeptics. Again, I remind you. Not one
human being has ever proven the existence of 'God'. And yet you Christians
talk about him so intimately that one would think you discuss the bible with
him over breakfast each day. What grand delusion!

creation, sin, redemption, the gospel and Christ's second coming.

Why are you so sure there was a 'first' coming? Is'nt more reasonable to
conclude that his 'appearances' was prompted by delusion rather than fact?
People have claimed to have seen the risen 'Elvis', you know. What is the
more 'reasonable' explanation for the 'resurrection' stories?

I

realize that there are different theological arguments in regards to
each of these fundamental beliefs.

Another clue that your belief system is false. Are there hundreds of claims
about the 'Big Bang'? No. Because it is a 'fact' virtually every scientist
will agree is based on fact. Guess how many scientists agree that humans
can, or ever did, walk on water and raise people from the dead. Hmmmm. Can
you guess? And do you know why?

However, I believe that the most

fundamental and basic belief of goodness, is often overlooked and
neglected;

No it's not. Atheists will readily concede that there are a ton of good,
good-hearted Christians out there. The problem is that your belief system is
so wrong and so harmful to peace on earth that it can only be viewed as
detrimental to man's health. Sorry.

buried under argument after argument and criticism after

criticism. The Word of God is all about goodness;

No it's not. All 'God' had to do was tell Adam & Eve that he 'forgave' them
after their mindless disobedience. He didn't have to inflict man with
'original sin' because of a 'crime' someone else committed. He didn't have
to consign animals to a fate where they feel pain and suffer needlessly and
for something they had absolutely nothing to do with. The snake? 'Satan' in
disguise. And the entire animal world is made to suffer? Get real. (And
remember: No heaven or hell for the rest of the animal world. Just pain,
suffering and death for them. What 'goodness' your 'God' is made up of. And
evil. I've said this a thousand times but you cannot be more evil than the
creator of evil. And who does your bible, and the 'logic' of your theology,
point to as the 'creator' of evil? Goodness? You're living in a world of
delusion if you don't see that your theology points to 'God' as the
willfully malicious, free-willed creator of evil? How 'good' does *that*
make your 'God'?


the goodness of God

working through man through His Spirit.

Another completely unsubstantiated creature existing only in the
imagination.

This is where many proclaimed

Christians are faltering. They have failed to recognize that their
lives should reflect God goodness and God's character. Sadly many
Christians have gotten caught up in being moral authorities (the moral
police) exercising a spirit of intolerance and/or arrogant
self-righteousness and resort to impose and force their "better than
thou" views on others. They have turned their hearts away from God and
as a result they are losing their ability to share the gospel with the
aid of God's Holy Spirit.

I would object that if you can't even prove that this 'Holy Spirit' exists
in the real world, you shouldn't pretend that 'it', does.

They have chosen to take it upon themselves

to do the conviction and judging and how they fall short!! They are
willing to sacrifice God's goodness for power. We should do ourselves a
favor and get back to the basics and the fundamentals of goodness and
love.

You know what? You don't need a misguided, misplaced belief in an imaginary
deity to do that. There's nothing to stop you.

Study the Word of God and let it pierce OUR OWN hearts! Then can

we better understand how to share with others the goodness of God. A
true fundamental Christian believer does not impose his belief on
anyone, he does not have the need or desire to force others to God or
God on others. He simply does not see himself any better off than
anyone else.
I realize that there are those who do not agree with this point of
view. Your feedback is welcome. This is not intended to criticize those
who do not hold Biblical beliefs or to impose religion on anyone.
Hopefully I can do my part to clarify what has been happening to the
fundamental Christianity to the best of my knowledge and ability.

Like I said, you sound like a pretty decent human being. And you are
certainly entitled to your beliefs. But you and your kind are no longer the
'voice' of Christianity. That microphone has been taken away from you by the
extremists. The religious right now has the stage and they could give a hoot
what people of your ilk have to say. If only you could take back the stage
from them.

Greywolf

All 'God' had to do was tell Adam & Eve that he 'forgave' them
after their mindless disobedience.