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"BubbaGump BubbaGump@localhost" |
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13 May 2007 11:33:20 PM |
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True faith |
What is the difference between faith and delusional fantasy?
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| User: "Enkidu" |
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| Title: Re: True faith |
14 May 2007 10:08:28 AM |
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BubbaGump <BubbaGump@localhost> wrote in
news:l2pf43dr1pba2gbdc05667t6gv6hveal1k@4ax.com:
What is the difference between faith and delusional fantasy?
The number of people who share it.
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Enkidu AA#2165
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
"Religion is excellent stuff for keeping common people quiet."
--Napoleon Bonaparte, French emperor (1769-1821).
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| User: "Doc Smartass" |
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| Title: Re: True faith |
14 May 2007 09:32:56 PM |
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BubbaGump <BubbaGump@localhost> wrote in
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What is the difference between faith and delusional fantasy?
Collection plates.
--
Doc Smartass, BAAWA Knight of Heckling
aa # 1939
Help Prevent Projectile Stupidity
Duct-Tape a Fundie's Mouth Shut Today!
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: True faith |
15 May 2007 05:05:55 AM |
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On Tue, 15 May 2007 02:32:56 GMT, Doc Smartass
<gekido@astroskivviesboymail.com> wrote:
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BubbaGump <BubbaGump@localhost> wrote in
news:l2pf43dr1pba2gbdc05667t6gv6hveal1k@4ax.com:
What is the difference between faith and delusional fantasy?
Collection plates.
From the Franklin Mint?
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| User: "Eric42" |
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| Title: Re: True faith |
14 May 2007 12:45:12 AM |
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BubbaGump <BubbaGump@localhost> wrote:
What is the difference between faith and delusional fantasy?
The Holy Spirit.
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: True faith |
14 May 2007 03:38:51 PM |
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"Eric42" <egusenet@verizon.net> wrote in message
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BubbaGump <BubbaGump@localhost> wrote:
What is the difference between faith and delusional fantasy?
The Holy Spirit.
That's the delusional fantasy part. Thanks for clearing that up!
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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| User: "Greywolf" |
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| Title: Re: True faith |
14 May 2007 11:13:36 AM |
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"Eric42" <egusenet@verizon.net> wrote in message
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BubbaGump <BubbaGump@localhost> wrote:
What is the difference between faith and delusional fantasy?
The Holy Spirit.
The 'Holy' *what*? Now go ahead and even *try* to provide evidence that the
former 'Mrs. God' -- turned into a cloud of 'Holy' Gas by a mean-spirited
'God' for some reason -- is even *remotely* 'real'!
Greywolf
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| User: "Christopher A.Lee" |
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| Title: Re: True faith |
14 May 2007 11:26:42 AM |
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On Mon, 14 May 2007 11:13:36 -0500, "Greywolf" <greywolf@cybrzn.com>
wrote:
"Eric42" <egusenet@verizon.net> wrote in message
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BubbaGump <BubbaGump@localhost> wrote:
What is the difference between faith and delusional fantasy?
The Holy Spirit.
The 'Holy' *what*? Now go ahead and even *try* to provide evidence that the
former 'Mrs. God' -- turned into a cloud of 'Holy' Gas by a mean-spirited
'God' for some reason -- is even *remotely* 'real'!
The first time I heard it called a spirit, the young Christopher Lee
who had never heard this before, said "like a bottle of gin?".
And couldn't understand why the other kids reported me to the teacher,
who told my parents, accusing me of blasphemy. And got upset when they
laughed at her in front of the headmaster.
Greywolf
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| User: "Greywolf" |
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| Title: Re: True faith |
14 May 2007 07:12:14 PM |
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"Christopher A.Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
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On Mon, 14 May 2007 11:13:36 -0500, "Greywolf" <greywolf@cybrzn.com>
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"Eric42" <egusenet@verizon.net> wrote in message
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BubbaGump <BubbaGump@localhost> wrote:
What is the difference between faith and delusional fantasy?
The Holy Spirit.
The 'Holy' *what*? Now go ahead and even *try* to provide evidence that
the
former 'Mrs. God' -- turned into a cloud of 'Holy' Gas by a mean-spirited
'God' for some reason -- is even *remotely* 'real'!
The first time I heard it called a spirit, the young Christopher Lee
who had never heard this before, said "like a bottle of gin?".
And couldn't understand why the other kids reported me to the teacher,
who told my parents, accusing me of blasphemy. And got upset when they
laughed at her in front of the headmaster.
Greywolf
Now *that's* funny! Ahh, the naivety of youth.
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| User: "Mike" |
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| Title: Re: True faith |
14 May 2007 12:51:12 AM |
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On May 14, 1:45 am, (Eric42) wrote:
BubbaGump <BubbaGump@localhost> wrote:
What is the difference between faith and delusional fantasy?
The Holy Spirit.
Agreed. The Holy Spirit is the correct explanation for delusional
fantasy. But that does not answer the question as to how it differs
from faith.
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| User: "Eric42" |
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14 May 2007 07:06:09 AM |
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Mike <matmzc@hofstra.edu> wrote:
On May 14, 1:45 am, (Eric42) wrote:
BubbaGump <BubbaGump@localhost> wrote:
What is the difference between faith and delusional fantasy?
The Holy Spirit.
Agreed. The Holy Spirit is the correct explanation for delusional
fantasy. But that does not answer the question as to how it differs
from faith.
The Holy Spirit is the means by which true faith in God is given to us
and maintained in us.
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| User: "Greywolf" |
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| Title: Re: True faith |
14 May 2007 11:20:54 AM |
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"Eric42" <egusenet@verizon.net> wrote in message
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Mike <matmzc@hofstra.edu> wrote:
On May 14, 1:45 am, (Eric42) wrote:
BubbaGump <BubbaGump@localhost> wrote:
What is the difference between faith and delusional fantasy?
The Holy Spirit.
Agreed. The Holy Spirit is the correct explanation for delusional
fantasy. But that does not answer the question as to how it differs
from faith.
The Holy Spirit is the means by which true faith in God is given to us
and maintained in us.
How does one 'detect' this 'Holy Spirit'? And why do individuals possessing
this 'Holy Spirit' get murdered and raped like the non-believers do? And
what makes you certain that you aren't being deceived in the same manner
'Eve' was? Go ahead. Say you have a fool-proof way of recognizing the
undeniably true 'Holy Spirit' instead of a 'fake', or imagined one!
Greywolf
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| User: "Eric42" |
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| Title: Re: True faith |
14 May 2007 09:54:41 PM |
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Greywolf <greywolf@cybrzn.com> wrote:
"Eric42" <egusenet@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:1hy3fr3.19pp5whrdqo1sN%egusenet@verizon.net...
Mike <matmzc@hofstra.edu> wrote:
On May 14, 1:45 am, (Eric42) wrote:
BubbaGump <BubbaGump@localhost> wrote:
What is the difference between faith and delusional fantasy?
The Holy Spirit.
Agreed. The Holy Spirit is the correct explanation for delusional
fantasy. But that does not answer the question as to how it differs
from faith.
The Holy Spirit is the means by which true faith in God is given to us
and maintained in us.
How does one 'detect' this 'Holy Spirit'?
Mat 7:16
16 By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from
thornbushes, or figs from thistles?
James 2:17-18
17 In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action,
is dead. 18 But someone will say, "You have faith; I have deeds." Show
me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by what I do.
I John 3:17
17 If anyone has material possessions and sees his brother in need but
has no pity on him, how can the love of God be in him?
And why do individuals possessing this 'Holy Spirit' get murdered and
raped like the non-believers do?
Why would they not?
There is no scriptural support to suggest that the Holy Spirit is some
kind of magic shield against harm. One need only read about Job and how
many of the Apostles met their end for evidence of this.
And what makes you certain that you aren't being deceived in the same manner
'Eve' was? Go ahead. Say you have a fool-proof way of recognizing the
undeniably true 'Holy Spirit' instead of a 'fake', or imagined one!
First, scripture warns:
Mat 7:1
1" Do not judge, or you too will be judged.
It is not for me to judge who will be saved and who will not. And, while
one can fool others by their public confession of belief and their
deeds, one is incapable of fooling God.
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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| Title: Re: True faith |
15 May 2007 09:22:59 AM |
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(Eric42) wrote in alt.atheism
There is no scriptural support to suggest that the Holy Spirit is some
kind of magic shield against harm. One need only read about Job and how
many of the Apostles met their end for evidence of this.
That would tend to indicate that the holy spirit is just make-believe
to me. Why not you?
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Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
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| User: "Eric42" |
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| Title: Re: True faith |
15 May 2007 07:31:19 PM |
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Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote:
egusenet@verizon.net (Eric42) wrote in alt.atheism
There is no scriptural support to suggest that the Holy Spirit is some
kind of magic shield against harm. One need only read about Job and how
many of the Apostles met their end for evidence of this.
That would tend to indicate that the holy spirit is just make-believe
to me. Why not you?
Because of the Holy Spirit.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: True faith |
15 May 2007 09:17:34 PM |
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On Wed, 16 May 2007 00:31:19 GMT, (Eric42) wrote:
- Refer: <1hy68sm.cuduh71oztwdvN%>
Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote:
(Eric42) wrote in alt.atheism
There is no scriptural support to suggest that the Holy Spirit is some
kind of magic shield against harm. One need only read about Job and how
many of the Apostles met their end for evidence of this.
That would tend to indicate that the holy spirit is just make-believe
to me. Why not you?
Because of the Holy Spirit.
How tightly circular!
You cannot see just how stonkingly idiotic and illogical your response
was, can you?
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| User: "Kelsey Bjarnason" |
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| Title: Re: True faith |
15 May 2007 12:17:22 PM |
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[snips]
On Tue, 15 May 2007 02:54:41 +0000, Eric42 wrote:
Mat 7:16
16 By their fruit you will recognize them.
Fine, you're a fruit. Still doesn't demonstrate this supposed "holy
spirit".
James 2:17-18
17 In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action,
is dead. 18 But someone will say, "You have faith; I have deeds." Show
me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by what I do.
Charming. Still doesn't demonstrate this supposed "holy
spirit".
I John 3:17
17 If anyone has material possessions and sees his brother in need but
has no pity on him, how can the love of God be in him?
Charming. Still doesn't demonstrate this supposed "holy
spirit".
First, scripture warns:
Mat 7:1
1" Do not judge, or you too will be judged.
Charming. Still doesn't demonstrate this supposed "holy
spirit".
You seem to be missing a little something in here.
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Don't forget about "First Church of Christ, Abortionist". - Quentin
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| User: "Eric42" |
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| Title: Re: True faith |
15 May 2007 08:57:23 PM |
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Kelsey Bjarnason <kbjarnason@gmail.com> wrote:
[snips]
On Tue, 15 May 2007 02:54:41 +0000, Eric42 wrote:
Mat 7:16
16 By their fruit you will recognize them.
Fine, you're a fruit. Still doesn't demonstrate this supposed "holy
spirit".
James 2:17-18
17 In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action,
is dead. 18 But someone will say, "You have faith; I have deeds." Show
me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by what I do.
Charming. Still doesn't demonstrate this supposed "holy
spirit".
I John 3:17
17 If anyone has material possessions and sees his brother in need but
has no pity on him, how can the love of God be in him?
Charming. Still doesn't demonstrate this supposed "holy
spirit".
First, scripture warns:
Mat 7:1
1" Do not judge, or you too will be judged.
Charming. Still doesn't demonstrate this supposed "holy
spirit".
You seem to be missing a little something in here.
Based on Scripture, faith in God is granted as a free gift of God
through the Holy Spirit. Faith is demonstrated by one's deeds. It is
through this means that the Holy Spirit is demonstrated.
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: True faith |
16 May 2007 03:30:50 AM |
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"Eric42" <egusenet@verizon.net> wrote in
snip
Based on Scripture,
which is meaningless.............
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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| User: "john p" |
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| Title: Re: True faith |
16 May 2007 04:36:11 AM |
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On May 15, 5:57 pm, (Eric42) wrote:
Kelsey Bjarnason <kbjarna...@gmail.com> wrote:
[snips]
On Tue, 15 May 2007 02:54:41 +0000, Eric42 wrote:
Mat 7:16
16 By their fruit you will recognize them.
Fine, you're a fruit. Still doesn't demonstrate this supposed "holy
spirit".
James 2:17-18
17 In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action,
is dead. 18 But someone will say, "You have faith; I have deeds." Show
me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by what I do.
Charming. Still doesn't demonstrate this supposed "holy
spirit".
I John 3:17
17 If anyone has material possessions and sees his brother in need but
has no pity on him, how can the love of God be in him?
Charming. Still doesn't demonstrate this supposed "holy
spirit".
First, scripture warns:
Mat 7:1
1" Do not judge, or you too will be judged.
Charming. Still doesn't demonstrate this supposed "holy
spirit".
You seem to be missing a little something in here.
Based on Scripture, faith in God is granted as a free gift of God
through the Holy Spirit. Faith is demonstrated by one's deeds. It is
through this means that the Holy Spirit is demonstrated.
God must be crazy--he keeps giving different answers depending on who
is asking.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: True faith |
16 May 2007 03:25:18 AM |
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On Wed, 16 May 2007 01:57:23 GMT, (Eric42) wrote:
- Refer: <1hy6cs5.5gam5717w92ztN%>
Kelsey Bjarnason <kbjarnason@gmail.com> wrote:
[snips]
On Tue, 15 May 2007 02:54:41 +0000, Eric42 wrote:
Mat 7:16
16 By their fruit you will recognize them.
Fine, you're a fruit. Still doesn't demonstrate this supposed "holy
spirit".
James 2:17-18
17 In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action,
is dead. 18 But someone will say, "You have faith; I have deeds." Show
me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by what I do.
Charming. Still doesn't demonstrate this supposed "holy
spirit".
I John 3:17
17 If anyone has material possessions and sees his brother in need but
has no pity on him, how can the love of God be in him?
Charming. Still doesn't demonstrate this supposed "holy
spirit".
First, scripture warns:
Mat 7:1
1" Do not judge, or you too will be judged.
Charming. Still doesn't demonstrate this supposed "holy
spirit".
You seem to be missing a little something in here.
Based on Scripture, faith in God is granted as a free gift of God
through the Holy Spirit. Faith is demonstrated by one's deeds. It is
through this means that the Holy Spirit is demonstrated.
If your pathetic "explanations" for your infantile delusion get any
more circular, you will find yourself flying up your own arse hole.
--
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| User: "john p" |
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| Title: Re: True faith |
16 May 2007 04:39:25 AM |
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On May 16, 12:25 am, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Wed, 16 May 2007 01:57:23 GMT, (Eric42) wrote:
- Refer: <1hy6cs5.5gam5717w92ztN%>
Kelsey Bjarnason <kbjarna...@gmail.com> wrote:
[snips]
On Tue, 15 May 2007 02:54:41 +0000, Eric42 wrote:
Mat 7:16
16 By their fruit you will recognize them.
Fine, you're a fruit. Still doesn't demonstrate this supposed "holy
spirit".
James 2:17-18
17 In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action,
is dead. 18 But someone will say, "You have faith; I have deeds." Show
me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by what I do.
Charming. Still doesn't demonstrate this supposed "holy
spirit".
I John 3:17
17 If anyone has material possessions and sees his brother in need but
has no pity on him, how can the love of God be in him?
Charming. Still doesn't demonstrate this supposed "holy
spirit".
First, scripture warns:
Mat 7:1
1" Do not judge, or you too will be judged.
Charming. Still doesn't demonstrate this supposed "holy
spirit".
You seem to be missing a little something in here.
Based on Scripture, faith in God is granted as a free gift of God
through the Holy Spirit. Faith is demonstrated by one's deeds. It is
through this means that the Holy Spirit is demonstrated.
If your pathetic "explanations" for your infantile delusion get any
more circular, you will find yourself flying up your own arse hole.
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You don't follow the reasoning because god hates you. If god loved you
you would have been blessed with his free gift which would allow you
to do christian deeds while possessed by his ghost.
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| Title: Re: True faith |
17 May 2007 12:03:27 PM |
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[snips]
On Wed, 16 May 2007 02:39:25 -0700, john p wrote:
You don't follow the reasoning because god hates you.
No, we don't follow it because there *is none*. No evidence. No logical
requirement. No foundation whatsoever. All there is is a dusty old book
which we have no reason to take seriously, and a pack of people who, for
some as-yet-unexplained reason, believe this book contains some sort of
absolute truth.
Try again.
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WHEN YOU DIE, YOU'RE GOING TO HELL, AND ARE GOING TO PERMANENTLY
SUFFER DOWN THERE. AND I'LL BE LAUGHING AT ALL THE ATHEIST BASTARDS
IN THIS ECHO, WHEN I'M UP IN HEAVEN. - Christopher Calabrese
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| User: "john p" |
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22 May 2007 12:13:29 AM |
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On May 17, 9:03 am, Kelsey Bjarnason <kbjarna...@gmail.com> wrote:
[snips]
On Wed, 16 May 2007 02:39:25 -0700,john pwrote:
You don't follow the reasoning because god hates you.
No, we don't follow it because there *is none*. No evidence. No logical
requirement. No foundation whatsoever. All there is is a dusty old book
which we have no reason to take seriously, and a pack of people who, for
some as-yet-unexplained reason, believe this book contains some sort of
absolute truth.
Try again.
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WHEN YOU DIE, YOU'RE GOING TO HELL, AND ARE GOING TO PERMANENTLY
SUFFER DOWN THERE. AND I'LL BE LAUGHING AT ALL THE ATHEIST BASTARDS
IN THIS ECHO, WHEN I'M UP IN HEAVEN. - Christopher Calabrese
How bad must arguments by christians be that I can make an obviously
facetious point and have people think I'm serious.
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The believer is not at liberty to have a conscience for the question
"true" and "untrue": to be upright on this point would mean his
immediate downfall. --Nietzsche
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: True faith |
22 May 2007 01:39:14 AM |
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On 21 May 2007 22:13:29 -0700, john p <john.phile@gmail.com> wrote:
- Refer: <1179810809.576350.95920@u36g2000prd.googlegroups.com>
On May 17, 9:03 am, Kelsey Bjarnason <kbjarna...@gmail.com> wrote:
[snips]
On Wed, 16 May 2007 02:39:25 -0700,john pwrote:
You don't follow the reasoning because god hates you.
No, we don't follow it because there *is none*. No evidence. No logical
requirement. No foundation whatsoever. All there is is a dusty old book
which we have no reason to take seriously, and a pack of people who, for
some as-yet-unexplained reason, believe this book contains some sort of
absolute truth.
Try again.
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WHEN YOU DIE, YOU'RE GOING TO HELL, AND ARE GOING TO PERMANENTLY
SUFFER DOWN THERE. AND I'LL BE LAUGHING AT ALL THE ATHEIST BASTARDS
IN THIS ECHO, WHEN I'M UP IN HEAVEN. - Christopher Calabrese
How bad must arguments by christians be that I can make an obviously
facetious point and have people think I'm serious.
No parody of a Christian can be worse than the real thing.
They are ALL unbalanced friggin' nutcases.
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| User: "Kelsey Bjarnason" |
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23 May 2007 01:00:03 AM |
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[snips]
On Mon, 21 May 2007 22:13:29 -0700, john p wrote:
How bad must arguments by christians be that I can make an obviously
facetious point and have people think I'm serious.
Let's just say that if you were to post in crayon with every word
misspelled, that would still not begin to approach the sheer badness of
what I've seen from the fundies; hence the obvious confusion.
Fundies have been known to conclude that we believe in God because they've
heard us say "***** it" when something annoys us or pisses us off. Nor
is that the worst such argument, by any means.
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An elegant weapon, from a more civilized age. -- Obi Wan Kenobi
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| User: "Eric42" |
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| Title: Re: True faith |
16 May 2007 07:25:12 AM |
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john p <john.phile@gmail.com> wrote:
On May 16, 12:25 am, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Wed, 16 May 2007 01:57:23 GMT, (Eric42) wrote:
- Refer: <1hy6cs5.5gam5717w92ztN%>
Kelsey Bjarnason <kbjarna...@gmail.com> wrote:
[snips]
On Tue, 15 May 2007 02:54:41 +0000, Eric42 wrote:
Mat 7:16 16 By their fruit you will recognize them.
Fine, you're a fruit. Still doesn't demonstrate this supposed "holy
spirit".
James 2:17-18 17 In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not
accompanied by action, is dead. 18 But someone will say, "You have
faith; I have deeds." Show me your faith without deeds, and I will
show you my faith by what I do.
Charming. Still doesn't demonstrate this supposed "holy spirit".
I John 3:17 17 If anyone has material possessions and sees his
brother in need but has no pity on him, how can the love of God be
in him?
Charming. Still doesn't demonstrate this supposed "holy spirit".
First, scripture warns:
Mat 7:1 1" Do not judge, or you too will be judged.
Charming. Still doesn't demonstrate this supposed "holy spirit".
You seem to be missing a little something in here.
Based on Scripture, faith in God is granted as a free gift of God
through the Holy Spirit. Faith is demonstrated by one's deeds. It is
through this means that the Holy Spirit is demonstrated.
If your pathetic "explanations" for your infantile delusion get any more
circular, you will find yourself flying up your own arse hole.
You don't follow the reasoning because god hates you. If god loved you
you would have been blessed with his free gift which would allow you
to do christian deeds while possessed by his ghost.
(An imperfect, but still a favorite anaology.)
We are like someone stranded in a desert with no water for miles around
and no way to save ourselves, when someone comes by and freely offers to
take us to safety to save our life. Why would many turn down the offer
and die? I do not know.
Could anyone honestly say that the person who offered to save our life
hates us? No.
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| User: "john p" |
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| Title: Re: True faith |
16 May 2007 11:05:59 AM |
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On May 16, 4:25 am, (Eric42) wrote:
john p <john.ph...@gmail.com> wrote:
On May 16, 12:25 am, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Wed, 16 May 2007 01:57:23 GMT, (Eric42) wrote:
- Refer: <1hy6cs5.5gam5717w92ztN% >
Kelsey Bjarnason <kbjarna...@gmail.com> wrote:
[snips]
On Tue, 15 May 2007 02:54:41 +0000, Eric42 wrote:
Mat 7:16 16 By their fruit you will recognize them.
Fine, you're a fruit. Still doesn't demonstrate this supposed "holy
spirit".
James 2:17-18 17 In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not
accompanied by action, is dead. 18 But someone will say, "You have
faith; I have deeds." Show me your faith without deeds, and I will
show you my faith by what I do.
Charming. Still doesn't demonstrate this supposed "holy spirit".
I John 3:17 17 If anyone has material possessions and sees his
brother in need but has no pity on him, how can the love of God be
in him?
Charming. Still doesn't demonstrate this supposed "holy spirit".
First, scripture warns:
Mat 7:1 1" Do not judge, or you too will be judged.
Charming. Still doesn't demonstrate this supposed "holy spirit".
You seem to be missing a little something in here.
Based on Scripture, faith in God is granted as a free gift of God
through the Holy Spirit. Faith is demonstrated by one's deeds. It is
through this means that the Holy Spirit is demonstrated.
If your pathetic "explanations" for your infantile delusion get any more
circular, you will find yourself flying up your own arse hole.
You don't follow the reasoning because god hates you. If god loved you
you would have been blessed with his free gift which would allow you
to do christian deeds while possessed by his ghost.
(An imperfect, but still a favorite anaology.)
We are like someone stranded in a desert with no water for miles around
and no way to save ourselves, when someone comes by and freely offers to
take us to safety to save our life. Why would many turn down the offer
and die? I do not know.
Could anyone honestly say that the person who offered to save our life
hates us? No.
Who said anything about an analogy? god hates him. Christians are
saved by grace and god chooses who gets to be saved and since he
wasn't chosen god hates him--or at least doesn't value him enough to
give presents, what a *****.
god being a ***** also explains suffering in the world.
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| User: "Eric42" |
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| Title: Re: True faith |
16 May 2007 07:02:38 PM |
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john p <john.phile@gmail.com> wrote:
On May 16, 4:25 am, (Eric42) wrote:
john p <john.ph...@gmail.com> wrote:
On May 16, 12:25 am, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Wed, 16 May 2007 01:57:23 GMT, (Eric42) wrote:
- Refer: <1hy6cs5.5gam5717w92ztN% >
Kelsey Bjarnason <kbjarna...@gmail.com> wrote:
[snips]
On Tue, 15 May 2007 02:54:41 +0000, Eric42 wrote:
Mat 7:16 16 By their fruit you will recognize them.
Fine, you're a fruit. Still doesn't demonstrate this supposed "holy
spirit".
James 2:17-18 17 In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not
accompanied by action, is dead. 18 But someone will say, "You have
faith; I have deeds." Show me your faith without deeds, and I will
show you my faith by what I do.
Charming. Still doesn't demonstrate this supposed "holy spirit".
I John 3:17 17 If anyone has material possessions and sees his
brother in need but has no pity on him, how can the love of God be
in him?
Charming. Still doesn't demonstrate this supposed "holy spirit".
First, scripture warns:
Mat 7:1 1" Do not judge, or you too will be judged.
Charming. Still doesn't demonstrate this supposed "holy spirit".
You seem to be missing a little something in here.
Based on Scripture, faith in God is granted as a free gift of God
through the Holy Spirit. Faith is demonstrated by one's deeds. It is
through this means that the Holy Spirit is demonstrated.
If your pathetic "explanations" for your infantile delusion get any more
circular, you will find yourself flying up your own arse hole.
You don't follow the reasoning because god hates you. If god loved you
you would have been blessed with his free gift which would allow you
to do christian deeds while possessed by his ghost.
(An imperfect, but still a favorite anaology.)
We are like someone stranded in a desert with no water for miles around
and no way to save ourselves, when someone comes by and freely offers to
take us to safety to save our life. Why would many turn down the offer
and die? I do not know.
Could anyone honestly say that the person who offered to save our life
hates us? No.
Who said anything about an analogy? god hates him. Christians are
saved by grace and god chooses who gets to be saved and since he
wasn't chosen god hates him--or at least doesn't value him enough to
give presents, what a *****.
As is clear from Scripture, God desires all to be saved. Only those who
reject what is freely given will not be.
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| User: "john p" |
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| Title: Re: True faith |
20 May 2007 01:57:38 AM |
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On May 16, 4:02 pm, (Eric42) wrote:
john p<john.ph...@gmail.com> wrote:
On May 16, 4:25 am, (Eric42) wrote:
john p<john.ph...@gmail.com> wrote:
On May 16, 12:25 am, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Wed, 16 May 2007 01:57:23 GMT, (Eric42) wrote:
- Refer: <1hy6cs5.5gam5717w92ztN% >
Kelsey Bjarnason <kbjarna...@gmail.com> wrote:
[snips]
On Tue, 15 May 2007 02:54:41 +0000, Eric42 wrote:
Mat 7:16 16 By their fruit you will recognize them.
Fine, you're a fruit. Still doesn't demonstrate this supposed "holy
spirit".
James 2:17-18 17 In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not
accompanied by action, is dead. 18 But someone will say, "You have
faith; I have deeds." Show me your faith without deeds, and I will
show you my faith by what I do.
Charming. Still doesn't demonstrate this supposed "holy spirit".
I John 3:17 17 If anyone has material possessions and sees his
brother in need but has no pity on him, how can the love of God be
in him?
Charming. Still doesn't demonstrate this supposed "holy spirit".
First, scripture warns:
Mat 7:1 1" Do not judge, or you too will be judged.
Charming. Still doesn't demonstrate this supposed "holy spirit".
You seem to be missing a little something in here.
Based on Scripture, faith in God is granted as a free gift of God
through the Holy Spirit. Faith is demonstrated by one's deeds. It is
through this means that the Holy Spirit is demonstrated.
If your pathetic "explanations" for your infantile delusion get any more
circular, you will find yourself flying up your own arse hole.
You don't follow the reasoning because god hates you. If god loved you
you would have been blessed with his free gift which would allow you
to do christian deeds while possessed by his ghost.
(An imperfect, but still a favorite anaology.)
We are like someone stranded in a desert with no water for miles around
and no way to save ourselves, when someone comes by and freely offers to
take us to safety to save our life. Why would many turn down the offer
and die? I do not know.
Could anyone honestly say that the person who offered to save our life
hates us? No.
Who said anything about an analogy? god hates him. Christians are
saved by grace and god chooses who gets to be saved and since he
wasn't chosen god hates him--or at least doesn't value him enough to
give presents, what a *****.
As is clear from Scripture, God desires all to be saved. Only those who
reject what is freely given will not be.
I though you said faith was a gift from god.
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| User: "Eric42" |
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| Title: Re: True faith |
20 May 2007 07:54:09 AM |
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john p <john.phile@gmail.com> wrote:
On May 16, 4:02 pm, (Eric42) wrote:
john p<john.ph...@gmail.com> wrote:
On May 16, 4:25 am, (Eric42) wrote:
john p<john.ph...@gmail.com> wrote:
On May 16, 12:25 am, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote: >
On Wed, 16 May 2007 01:57:23 GMT, (Eric42)
wrote:
- Refer: <1hy6cs5.5gam5717w92ztN% >
Kelsey Bjarnason <kbjarna...@gmail.com> wrote:
[snips]
On Tue, 15 May 2007 02:54:41 +0000, Eric42 wrote:
Mat 7:16 16 By their fruit you will recognize them.
Fine, you're a fruit. Still doesn't demonstrate this
supposed "holy spirit".
James 2:17-18 17 In the same way, faith by itself, if it is
not accompanied by action, is dead. 18 But someone will
say, "You have faith; I have deeds." Show me your faith
without deeds, and I will show you my faith by what I do.
Charming. Still doesn't demonstrate this supposed "holy
spirit".
I John 3:17 17 If anyone has material possessions and sees
his brother in need but has no pity on him, how can the
love of God be in him?
Charming. Still doesn't demonstrate this supposed "holy spirit".
First, scripture warns:
Mat 7:1 1" Do not judge, or you too will be judged.
Charming. Still doesn't demonstrate this supposed "holy spirit".
You seem to be missing a little something in here.
Based on Scripture, faith in God is granted as a free gift of
God through the Holy Spirit. Faith is demonstrated by one's
deeds. It is through this means that the Holy Spirit is
demonstrated.
If your pathetic "explanations" for your infantile delusion get
any more circular, you will find yourself flying up your own
arse hole.
You don't follow the reasoning because god hates you. If god loved
you you would have been blessed with his free gift which would
allow you to do christian deeds while possessed by his ghost.
(An imperfect, but still a favorite anaology.) We are like someone
stranded in a desert with no water for miles around and no way to
save ourselves, when someone comes by and freely offers to take us
to safety to save our life. Why would many turn down the offer and
die? I do not know.
Could anyone honestly say that the person who offered to save our life
hates us? No.
Who said anything about an analogy? god hates him. Christians are
saved by grace and god chooses who gets to be saved and since he
wasn't chosen god hates him--or at least doesn't value him enough to
give presents, what a *****.
As is clear from Scripture, God desires all to be saved. Only those who
reject what is freely given will not be.
I though you said faith was a gift from god.
It is. See the analogy above.
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