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28 Mar 2005 11:34:13 PM |
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Truth Hunters latest fabrication. |
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Adam/ Eve's sin and the torture of Jesus/God = Atonement
God created A&E beings knowing from the start that they would not
please him. And when they would not please him, he knew he would have
to arrange to have the humans torture and kill him/God in the form of
Jesus so that he could forgive them for being the way he created them
to be and the way he knew they would be from the beginning.
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Much to th's shame is the fact that God gave us a free will, and an opportunity
to use that free will to choose him (God) rather than satan.
It's the same cross we all carry. Truth Hunter doesn't understand and doesn't
want to.
duke
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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28 Mar 2005 11:48:11 PM |
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After serious contemplation, on or about Monday 28 March 2005 6:34 pm
duckgumbo32@cox.net wrote:
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Adam/ Eve's sin and the torture of Jesus/God = Atonement
God created A&E beings knowing from the start that they would not
please him. And when they would not please him, he knew he would have
to arrange to have the humans torture and kill him/God in the form of
Jesus so that he could forgive them for being the way he created them
to be and the way he knew they would be from the beginning.
*****
Much to th's shame is the fact that God gave us a free will, and an
opportunity to use that free will to choose him (God) rather than satan.
As a matter of fact your bible contradicts what you wrote here. According
to the bible Jesus said, "Many are called, but few are chosen" ergo the
conclusion is that many are NOT called. According to your own bible, many
will not even have the choice of choosing god because it is god who does
the choosing. Furthermore the passage states that even if you did choose
god, god still might not choose you in return.
Now I know you might quote other passages that indicated something different
but there is the rub -- your guide book to golden roads, pearly gates, and
harp playing basically says north is north but north is south, and south is
south but south is north.
But maybe you can clear this up by telling us in which passages god is lying
and which he is not?
It's the same cross we all carry. Truth Hunter doesn't understand and
doesn't want to.
duke
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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Later,
Darrell Stec
Webpage Sorcery
http://webpagesorcery.com
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29 Mar 2005 01:25:52 PM |
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As a matter of fact your bible contradicts what you wrote here.
According
to the bible Jesus said, "Many are called, but few are chosen" ergo
the
conclusion is that many are NOT called. According to your own bible,
many
will not even have the choice of choosing god because it is god who
does
the choosing. Furthermore the passage states that even if you did
choose
god, god still might not choose you in return.
There is arguably the alternative interpretation, that God chooses a
few to directly inspire, but many are called by the words inspired by
God.
Take for example Jesus (directly chosen), and the millions that try to
follow his teachings. That does not mean that only Christians are
called, they are simply the ones that followed the call.
Just pointing there might be a different interpretation from the one
you chose to take, that's all.
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| User: "Darrell Stec" |
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29 Mar 2005 07:46:08 PM |
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After serious contemplation, on or about Tuesday 29 March 2005 8:25 am
glenn.spigel@btinternet.com wrote:
As a matter of fact your bible contradicts what you wrote here.
According
to the bible Jesus said, "Many are called, but few are chosen" ergo
the
conclusion is that many are NOT called. According to your own bible,
many
will not even have the choice of choosing god because it is god who
does
the choosing. Furthermore the passage states that even if you did
choose
god, god still might not choose you in return.
There is arguably the alternative interpretation, that God chooses a
few to directly inspire, but many are called by the words inspired by
God.
Take for example Jesus (directly chosen), and the millions that try to
follow his teachings. That does not mean that only Christians are
called, they are simply the ones that followed the call.
Just pointing there might be a different interpretation from the one
you chose to take, that's all.
You COULD interpret it your way, however in doing so you are leaving out the
entire context surrounding the passage. The context is the reward -- ie,
heaven as symbolized by the wedding feast. Jesus is not speaking about
witnessing or inspiration but invitation to the wedding feast -- the reward
which is heaven. Note the being of the parable, "The kingdom of heaven is
like...."
For a fundamentalist, interpreting this passage you way is absolutely
fobridden because if they must accept the creation story, Adam and Eve,
Noah's ark, the tower of Babel, David and Goliath, or even Moses, David and
Solomon as literal, they cannot then choose a passage they don't like as
interpretive. They must accept it as literal.
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Later,
Darrell Stec
Webpage Sorcery
http://webpagesorcery.com
We Put the Magic in Your Webpages
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| User: "duke" |
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29 Mar 2005 11:34:44 PM |
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On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 18:48:11 -0500, Darrell Stec
<darrell_stec@webpagesorcery.com> wrote:
Much to th's shame is the fact that God gave us a free will, and an
opportunity to use that free will to choose him (God) rather than satan.
As a matter of fact your bible contradicts what you wrote here.
Try reading Genesis.
According
to the bible Jesus said, "Many are called, but few are chosen" ergo the
conclusion is that many are NOT called.
Nope, many are called, few respond. Really, if you can't do better than this,
you're wasting my time.
According to your own bible, many
will not even have the choice of choosing god because it is god who does
the choosing. Furthermore the passage states that even if you did choose
god, god still might not choose you in return.
Of course, God chooses all. But it is so many of "we" that turn down the
invitation.
Now I know you might quote other passages that indicated something different
but there is the rub -- your guide book to golden roads, pearly gates, and
harp playing basically says north is north but north is south, and south is
south but south is north.
Only to people like you that never stopped to realize how ignorant you just
demonstrated yourself to be.
But maybe you can clear this up by telling us in which passages god is lying
and which he is not?
He's not lying to us.
duke
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "Robert the NOLA Atheist" |
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30 Mar 2005 07:35:26 PM |
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Silly humans, it is all clear to me now. An all-powerful being (some
humans call it Jehovah) created the universe. The universe is @ 14-16
billion years old and really, really big. This all-powerful being
waited billions of years before he picked out an average galaxy (our
beloved Milky Way) to use for its divine purpose of creating life.
This all-powerful being decided that its creation should be out in
BFE, as Earth is really, really off the beaten path, even for this
average galaxy. So out of this really mind boggling amount of
universe (there may be others) this "deity" picked a really crappy,
out in the boondocks location to place its prized creation of
humanity.
This all-powerful creator had a great sense of humor though as it
didn't leave any physical evidence of it's existence. Rather, for
most of humanity's time on Earth, there was no guide at all for these
poor people to know "Jehovah." Laughing at this cosmic joke, this
"deity" finally chose a Sumerian tribal people to make his very own.
So these folks (call them Jews) get a "holy" book that tells the story
of their people and their relationship with YHWH. There was much
rejoicing.
Funny thing is the rest of the Earth's people were left out and many
of them already had a religion and god(s) to follow. You'd think an
all-powerful deity woulod be aware enough to make its presense known
to all of humanity. Oops. Maybe it had a bad PR team advising it.
So this "chosen" group gets used and abused but they keep the faith
since the book promises great things to those who wait. Yet, time
keeps on ticking, ticking into the future and no new Kingdom of Heaven
on Earth with the Jews in command. Bummer. Maybe this deity is on
vacation. Prozac prescriptions are on the rise!
So while the Roman Empire is busy kicking the hell out of the Jews, an
off-shoot belief in YHWH forms and checking the political scene,
quickly distance themselves from the Jews. They figure that YHWH is
just way too impersonal and they follow this Jesus guy around. They
think he is the Messiah (a political King who will reign in the new
Jeruselem on Earth) but he goes and gets nailed and becomes the most
famous cross dresser in history. Meanwhile, the area is choc full o'
people claiming to be the Messiah, including John the Baptist who
reported rose from the dead and was out performing miracles. Those
who had bet on Jesus realized they needed to counter such tales with a
tall tale of their own.
Introducing the risen Christ (never needs batteries!) and to hell with
Jesus. So the story is told (different versions as they can't agree)
that while Jesus may have been crucified by the Romans, he was a
sneaky fellow and he came back three days later. Obviously, he and
this all-powerful being were tight as this kind of thing doesn't
happen everyday. Sad to say, other than conflicting reports from his
followers, history left no record of such an amazing event. That
wacky Jehovah wanted to see how gullible these folks were by suckering
them into these wild stories without providing one shred of evidence.
So while the "chosen" people had been decimated and scattered into the
wind, this new cult of the allegedly risen "Christ" was being promoted
by a wild and wacky guy named Paul. Paul ignored all that was written
and known by those who say they knew Jesus as being not worth the time
since Paul's authority came from (drum roll please) a vision! So this
new belief system known as Christianity came into being thanks to the
vision of just one man who was a wee bit insane. The all-powerful
space being thought this was the funniest thing it'd ever done and
laughed and saw it was good.
Still, the best joke was yet to come as a new book was written about
this Christ fellow. While he may have left, you had to find a way to
keep the faithful... well faithful. So the book promised that the
Christ would return... before this generation passed away no less...
to establish the new heaven and the new Earth!!! There was much
rejoicing! Damn Romans, they'll soon get theirs!
Fast forward +/- 2000 years later...
Christianity has done a good job in spreading its propaganda. It
claims many followers even if they can't agree on whom among them has
got the story right. So there are numerous denominations who just
know they are the only "true" believers. Problem is the Christ is
late for his very important date. 2000 years overdue. Jehovah alien
is still at it... just to see how long he can fool these humans into
going along with this joke before they finally get that they have been
Punk'd. Yet, as we see by the postings on this newsgroup, by our
politicians and ministers and priests and etc., that the myth is alive
and well. As a matter of fact, the more outlandish and crazy the
story is, the more these folks cling to it and believe it. The
superbeing alien is getting bored as it has better things to do than
play in this backwater sandbox. It is tempted to just blow up the
Earth as its last joke but it thinks it would be even more humorous to
leave these humans to fight and battle amongst themselves over the
veracity of the claim that Christ is real and is coming soon. The
alien is confident that eventually reason will triumph and rational
humans will evolve past this need for fairy tales OR humanity will
slide back into a Dark Age of ignorance and superstition. That is the
best joke of all since the mythical Christ will never come again, not
even with a 100 Viagra pills. When it comes to the whole Christian
myth, it turns out the joke was on us.
Amen.
On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 17:34:13 -0600, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
*****
Adam/ Eve's sin and the torture of Jesus/God = Atonement
God created A&E beings knowing from the start that they would not
please him. And when they would not please him, he knew he would have
to arrange to have the humans torture and kill him/God in the form of
Jesus so that he could forgive them for being the way he created them
to be and the way he knew they would be from the beginning.
*****
Much to th's shame is the fact that God gave us a free will, and an opportunity
to use that free will to choose him (God) rather than satan.
It's the same cross we all carry. Truth Hunter doesn't understand and doesn't
want to.
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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"[The Bill of Rights is] designed to protect individuals and minorities against the tyranny of the majority, but it's also designed to protect the people against bureaucracy, against the government." -- Judge Lawrence Tribe
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29 Mar 2005 07:26:38 AM |
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TV's duke wrote:
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Adam/ Eve's sin and the torture of Jesus/God = Atonement
God created A&E beings knowing from the start that they would not
please him. And when they would not please him, he knew he would have
to arrange to have the humans torture and kill him/God in the form of
Jesus so that he could forgive them for being the way he created them
to be and the way he knew they would be from the beginning.
*****
Much to th's shame is the fact that God gave us a free will, and an
opportunity
to use that free will to choose him (God) rather than satan.
It's the same cross we all carry. Truth Hunter doesn't understand and
doesn't
want to.
duke
If I ever get this senile, somebody shoot me, preferably in the head with a
high-powered rifle. I wonder if I could put that provision in a living
will?
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Beliefs are dangerous. Beliefs allow the mind to stop functioning.
A non-functioning mind is clinically dead. Believe in nothing.
- Maynard James Keenan
aa #2133
ap #19
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| User: "Godfrey" |
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29 Mar 2005 05:14:05 PM |
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On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 01:26:38 -0600, "towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com>
wrote:
TV's duke wrote:
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Adam/ Eve's sin and the torture of Jesus/God = Atonement
God created A&E beings knowing from the start that they would not
please him. And when they would not please him, he knew he would have
to arrange to have the humans torture and kill him/God in the form of
Jesus so that he could forgive them for being the way he created them
to be and the way he knew they would be from the beginning.
*****
Much to th's shame is the fact that God gave us a free will, and an
opportunity
to use that free will to choose him (God) rather than satan.
It's the same cross we all carry. Truth Hunter doesn't understand and
doesn't
want to.
duke
If I ever get this senile, somebody shoot me, preferably in the head with a
high-powered rifle. I wonder if I could put that provision in a living
will?
Even better, we'll just park you behind a pulpit and call you
"father".
-Godfrey
"Faith is not a justification, but an admission that
there is no justification. If there are rational
reasons to believe something, then "faith" is
superfluous. If there are no rational reasons to
believe something, then continued belief is, by
definition, irrational."
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| User: "duke" |
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29 Mar 2005 11:40:40 PM |
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On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 01:26:38 -0600, "towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote:
TV's duke wrote:
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Adam/ Eve's sin and the torture of Jesus/God = Atonement
God created A&E beings knowing from the start that they would not
please him. And when they would not please him, he knew he would have
to arrange to have the humans torture and kill him/God in the form of
Jesus so that he could forgive them for being the way he created them
to be and the way he knew they would be from the beginning.
*****
Much to th's shame is the fact that God gave us a free will, and an
opportunity
to use that free will to choose him (God) rather than satan.
It's the same cross we all carry. Truth Hunter doesn't understand and
doesn't
want to.
duke
If I ever get this senile, somebody shoot me, preferably in the head with a
high-powered rifle. I wonder if I could put that provision in a living
will?
God's call is well over your head, isn't it towel.
duke
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "towelie" |
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30 Mar 2005 01:22:58 AM |
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TV's duke wrote:
On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 01:26:38 -0600, "towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com>
wrote:
TV's duke wrote:
*****
Adam/ Eve's sin and the torture of Jesus/God = Atonement
God created A&E beings knowing from the start that they would not
please him. And when they would not please him, he knew he would have
to arrange to have the humans torture and kill him/God in the form of
Jesus so that he could forgive them for being the way he created them
to be and the way he knew they would be from the beginning.
*****
Much to th's shame is the fact that God gave us a free will, and an
opportunity
to use that free will to choose him (God) rather than satan.
It's the same cross we all carry. Truth Hunter doesn't understand and
doesn't
want to.
duke
If I ever get this senile, somebody shoot me, preferably in the head with
a
high-powered rifle. I wonder if I could put that provision in a living
will?
God's call is well over your head, isn't it towel.
Nope, racist.
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Beliefs are dangerous. Beliefs allow the mind to stop functioning.
A non-functioning mind is clinically dead. Believe in nothing.
- Maynard James Keenan
aa #2133
ap #19
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| User: "duke" |
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30 Mar 2005 11:59:58 PM |
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On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 19:22:58 -0600, "towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote:
God's call is well over your head, isn't it towel.
Nope, racist.
As far as I can see, it is, towel.
duke
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "towelie" |
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31 Mar 2005 02:53:37 AM |
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TV's duke wrote:
On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 19:22:58 -0600, "towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com>
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God's call is well over your head, isn't it towel.
Nope, racist.
As far as I can see, it is, towel.
Since you are blind, that's not very far.
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Beliefs are dangerous. Beliefs allow the mind to stop functioning.
A non-functioning mind is clinically dead. Believe in nothing.
- Maynard James Keenan
aa #2133
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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28 Mar 2005 11:49:19 PM |
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on 28 Mar 2005 in alt.atheism, duke dropped trou, farted, whirled, then
shouted:
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Adam/ Eve's sin and the torture of Jesus/God = Atonement
God created A&E beings knowing from the start that they would not
please him. And when they would not please him, he knew he would have
to arrange to have the humans torture and kill him/God in the form of
Jesus so that he could forgive them for being the way he created them
to be and the way he knew they would be from the beginning.
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Much to th's shame is the fact that God gave us a free will, and an
opportunity to use that free will to choose him (God) rather than
satan.
This is where your dumb religion goes belly-up. If the god created A&E
knowing from the start that they would not please him, he is by definition
omniscient. This is all part of his "plan". Most Christians will agree
with this. But what they (and you) do not understand is that if the god is
omniscient, there is no free will. It is logically impossible.
But since I am quite able to change my mind, I have domonstrated free will.
Therefore, your god is imaginary, and the people who imagined it did not
plan for people smarter than they to figure out where they went wrong.
Of course, it is simple to rationalize the concept by asserting the god
"knew I would change my mind". And change it back. And so forth.
Assertions need to be proven, otherwise STFU.
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Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
Plonked by Jason Gastrich for all eternity...
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As you were, I was. As I am, you will be.
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| User: "duke" |
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29 Mar 2005 11:38:20 PM |
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On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 17:49:19 -0600, Vic Sagerquist <address@withheld.com> wrote:
Much to th's shame is the fact that God gave us a free will, and an
opportunity to use that free will to choose him (God) rather than
satan.
This is where your dumb religion goes belly-up. If the god created A&E
knowing from the start that they would not please him, he is by definition
omniscient.
Oh, he knows exactly who will fail and who will win. But we don't. We have to
buy in to his story.
But since I am quite able to change my mind, I have domonstrated free will.
Therefore, your god is imaginary, and the people who imagined it did not
plan for people smarter than they to figure out where they went wrong.
Demonstrated nothing.
Of course, it is simple to rationalize the concept by asserting the god
"knew I would change my mind". And change it back. And so forth.
Assertions need to be proven, otherwise STFU.
God already knows your final freely made choice. You don't, however
duke
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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30 Mar 2005 03:32:15 AM |
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On 29 Mar 2005, duke dropped trou, farted, whirled, then shouted:
On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 17:49:19 -0600, Vic Sagerquist
<address@withheld.com> wrote:
Much to th's shame is the fact that God gave us a free will, and an
opportunity to use that free will to choose him (God) rather than
satan.
This is where your dumb religion goes belly-up. If the god created
A&E knowing from the start that they would not please him, he is by
definition omniscient.
Oh, he knows exactly who will fail and who will win. But we don't.
We have to buy in to his story.
We don't. You do. Or you don't get saved. Or so you think. It must
suck to live in constant fear of something that someone made up a few
thousand years ago.
But since I am quite able to change my mind, I have domonstrated free
will. Therefore, your god is imaginary, and the people who imagined
it did not plan for people smarter than they to figure out where they
went wrong.
Demonstrated nothing.
Of course, it is simple to rationalize the concept by asserting the
god "knew I would change my mind". And change it back. And so forth.
Assertions need to be proven, otherwise STFU.
God already knows your final freely made choice. You don't, however
If "god" already knows I will choose atheism until my dying day, why does
he allow me to live - spouting my faith-destroying logic and reason to
the detriment of his loyal followers? In the bible it says unbelievers
should be killed. Why doesn't he strike me down with cancer, or
lightning bolt my house?
Or better yet, if he is all powerful, why doesn't he just change me into
a believer and be done with it?
You Christians have done a fine job of disproving your own diety. By
claiming it is all-knowing, the fact that we do have the ability to
freely change our minds proves the god as defined does not exist. Go
ahead and claim "he knew you were going to change your mind". It only
reminds me of that Pee-Wee Herman movie, in which PWH claims "I meant to
do that".
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Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
Plonked by Jason Gastrich for all eternity...
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As you were, I was. As I am, you will be.
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| User: "duke" |
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30 Mar 2005 11:58:52 PM |
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On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 21:32:15 -0600, Vic Sagerquist <address@withheld.com> wrote:
Oh, he knows exactly who will fail and who will win. But we don't.
We have to buy in to his story.
We don't. You do.
Nope. Only God knows. You still have to figure out your final position.
Or you don't get saved. Or so you think. It must
suck to live in constant fear of something that someone made up a few
thousand years ago.
The way I see it, you're clearly too ignorant to realize what is coming your
way. You may not worry about it now, but you will be called to address your
failings at the moment of your death, and then your judgment.
God already knows your final freely made choice. You don't, however
If "god" already knows I will choose atheism until my dying day, why does
he allow me to live - spouting my faith-destroying logic and reason to
the detriment of his loyal followers?
Because you still have a chance to change. He knows if you will, but you don't.
In the bible it says unbelievers
should be killed. Why doesn't he strike me down with cancer, or
lightning bolt my house?
Your time is coming.
Or better yet, if he is all powerful, why doesn't he just change me into
a believer and be done with it?
Because he wants your free choice. Choose wisely.
You Christians have done a fine job of disproving your own diety.
Oh, boo hoo hoo.
By
claiming it is all-knowing, the fact that we do have the ability to
freely change our minds proves the god as defined does not exist.
Now there's a weird line of reasoning. He wants you to think long and hard
about it first. Or not.
Go
ahead and claim "he knew you were going to change your mind". It only
reminds me of that Pee-Wee Herman movie, in which PWH claims "I meant to
do that".
Only he knows if you will or not. You have the rest of your life to think about
it.
Choose carefully.
duke
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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01 Apr 2005 05:38:37 PM |
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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You may not worry about it now, but you will be called to address your
failings at the moment of your death, and then your judgment.
*****-you really have no idea what you are saying puke.
your stupid jebus said no one would be judged until the second coming-don't
hold your breath.
theist's are the dumbest fucks on planet earth.
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: Truth Hunters latest fabrication. |
01 Apr 2005 10:52:21 PM |
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On Fri, 1 Apr 2005 12:38:37 -0500, "NUNIA IS GOD!" <IAM@GOD.YOUFOOL> wrote:
*****-you really have no idea what you are saying puke.
Cool. You turn approaches. It might be in 70 years, and it might be today.
Are you ready?
your stupid jebus said no one would be judged until the second coming-don't
hold your breath.
For those that died, that is the next moment.
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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| Title: Re: Truth Hunters latest fabrication. |
01 Apr 2005 11:18:46 PM |
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on 01 Apr 2005 in alt.atheism, duke dropped trou, farted, whirled, then
shouted:
On Fri, 1 Apr 2005 12:38:37 -0500, "NUNIA IS GOD!" <IAM@GOD.YOUFOOL>
wrote:
*****-you really have no idea what you are saying puke.
Cool. You turn approaches. It might be in 70 years, and it might be
today. Are you ready?
your stupid jebus said no one would be judged until the second
coming-don't hold your breath.
For those that died, that is the next moment.
So let me get this straight. When you die your consciousness goes out,
like the time before you were born. Then what, end of the world, anywhere
between tomorrow and a billion years from now, and jeebus wakes us all up?
How? The people who died 1500 years ago have turned to dust. There's
nothing there to wake up. He might as well make new servants and to hell
with us, eh? Why bother with our souls?
I know why.
Because that's what you so desperately want.
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
Plonked by Jason Gastrich for all eternity...
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As you were, I was. As I am, you will be.
--- Hunter S. Thompson
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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| Title: Re: Truth Hunters latest fabrication. |
31 Mar 2005 10:55:37 PM |
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on 30 Mar 2005 in alt.atheism, duke dropped trou, farted, whirled, then
shouted:
On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 21:32:15 -0600, Vic Sagerquist
<address@withheld.com> wrote:
Oh, he knows exactly who will fail and who will win. But we don't.
We have to buy in to his story.
We don't. You do.
Nope. Only God knows. You still have to figure out your final
position.
Or you don't get saved. Or so you think. It must
suck to live in constant fear of something that someone made up a few
thousand years ago.
The way I see it, you're clearly too ignorant to realize what is
coming your way. You may not worry about it now, but you will be
called to address your failings at the moment of your death, and then
your judgment.
God already knows your final freely made choice. You don't, however
If "god" already knows I will choose atheism until my dying day, why
does he allow me to live - spouting my faith-destroying logic and
reason to the detriment of his loyal followers?
Because you still have a chance to change. He knows if you will, but
you don't.
In the bible it says unbelievers
should be killed. Why doesn't he strike me down with cancer, or
lightning bolt my house?
Your time is coming.
Or better yet, if he is all powerful, why doesn't he just change me
into a believer and be done with it?
Because he wants your free choice. Choose wisely.
You Christians have done a fine job of disproving your own diety.
Oh, boo hoo hoo.
By
claiming it is all-knowing, the fact that we do have the ability to
freely change our minds proves the god as defined does not exist.
Now there's a weird line of reasoning. He wants you to think long and
hard about it first. Or not.
Go
ahead and claim "he knew you were going to change your mind". It only
reminds me of that Pee-Wee Herman movie, in which PWH claims "I meant
to do that".
Only he knows if you will or not. You have the rest of your life to
think about it.
Choose carefully.
Typical christer gets backed into a corner and the only way out he sees is
to spew christerthreats. Duke, we are not afraid of your threats. There
is no "god". It's all in your mind.
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Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
Plonked by Jason Gastrich for all eternity...
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As you were, I was. As I am, you will be.
--- Hunter S. Thompson
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: Truth Hunters latest fabrication. |
01 Apr 2005 10:48:26 PM |
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On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 16:55:37 -0600, Vic Sagerquist <address@withheld.com> wrote:
Only he knows if you will or not. You have the rest of your life to
think about it.
Choose carefully.
Typical christer gets backed into a corner and the only way out he sees is
to spew christerthreats. Duke, we are not afraid of your threats. There
is no "god". It's all in your mind.
Well, as I keep telling you, you'll find out for sure one moment after you take
your final breath on this earth.
And, then it'll be too late to say "oops".
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "georgann" |
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| Title: Re: Truth Hunters latest fabrication. |
28 Mar 2005 11:53:34 PM |
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Vic Sagerquist wrote:
This is where your dumb religion goes belly-up. If the god created A&E
knowing from the start that they would not please him, he is by definition
omniscient. This is all part of his "plan". Most Christians will agree with
this. But what they (and you) do not understand is that if the god is
omniscient, there is no free will. It is logically impossible.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Actually, this is where most non-Christians go belly up. God created A&E
knowing they COULD and WOULD screw up. Not because He screwed up but because
He wanted them to have free will. If every parent refused to have children
unless they were guaranteed perfect, well, there wouldn't be any people on
the planet earth today.
--
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«´¨`·.¸¸ ¸¸.·´¨ `»
"As Benjamin Franklin left the State House in Philadelphia
on the closing day of the Constitutional Convention, a woman
asked him what kind of government the statesmen had given America.
Franklin replied: 'A republic, Madame, if you can keep it.'
http://www.boingboing.net/images/Purple-USA.jpg
http://www.princeton.edu/~rvdb/JAVA/election2004/
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| User: "Mark Stahl" |
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| Title: Re: Truth Hunters latest fabrication. |
29 Mar 2005 12:15:50 AM |
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"georgann" <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:BE6E032E.57FE8%chenault@mindspring.com...
Vic Sagerquist wrote:
This is where your dumb religion goes belly-up. If the god created A&E
knowing from the start that they would not please him, he is by
definition
omniscient. This is all part of his "plan". Most Christians will agree
with
this. But what they (and you) do not understand is that if the god is
omniscient, there is no free will. It is logically impossible.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Actually, this is where most non-Christians go belly up.
Not at all.
God created A&E
knowing they COULD and WOULD screw up.
If this is so, there is no such thing as free will. That's the point you
keep missing/ignoring. If you know what will happen in the future there's no
possibility that something else will happen. That possibility must exist if
there is to be freedom.
Not because He screwed up but because
He wanted them to have free will. If every parent refused to have children
unless they were guaranteed perfect, well, there wouldn't be any people on
the planet earth today.
Of course, parents generally don't send their kids to hell for things they
had no choice but to do anyway. Maybe you're different.
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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| Title: Re: Truth Hunters latest fabrication. |
29 Mar 2005 01:03:26 PM |
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Mark Stahl <stahl@nospam.aecom.yu.edu> wrote in alt.atheism
georgann <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in message
God created A&E knowing they COULD and WOULD screw up.
If this is so, there is no such thing as free will. That's the point you
keep missing/ignoring. If you know what will happen in the future there's no
possibility that something else will happen.
Right. In order for any prophecy to be 100% correct, the future has
to be set in stone and cannot be changed, hence no free will.
And since the Bible is filled with supposed "100% fulfilled"
prophecies, that means that it actually says there's no free will.
I'm sure georgann will disagree, not knowing how to use logic and
all.
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Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
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| User: "georgann" |
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| Title: Re: Truth Hunters latest fabrication. |
30 Mar 2005 12:38:34 AM |
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Mark Stahl <stahl@nospam.aecom.yu.edu> wrote in alt.atheism
georgann <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in message
God created A&E knowing they COULD and WOULD screw up.
If this is so, there is no such thing as free will. That's the point you keep
missing/ignoring. If you know what will happen in the future there's no
possibility that something else will happen.
Elroy Willis wrote:
Right. In order for any prophecy to be 100% correct, the future has to be set
in stone and cannot be changed, hence no free will. And since the Bible is
filled with supposed "100% fulfilled" prophecies, that means that it actually
says there's no free will.
I'm sure georgann will disagree, not knowing how to use logic and all.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
You're correct Elroy, I do disagree. God knew we could and would screw up
but the WHEN was up to Him to account for. He did account for it and did so
perfectly - without negating man's free will. Would you expect anything
less of God?
--
(`'·.¸(`'·.¸(`'·.¸ ¸.·'´)¸.·'´)¸.·'´)
«´¨`·.¸¸ ¸¸.·´¨ `»
"As Benjamin Franklin left the State House in Philadelphia
on the closing day of the Constitutional Convention, a woman
asked him what kind of government the statesmen had given America.
Franklin replied: 'A republic, Madame, if you can keep it.'
http://www.boingboing.net/images/Purple-USA.jpg
http://www.princeton.edu/~rvdb/JAVA/election2004/
(¸.·'´(¸.·'´(¸.·'´ `'·.¸)`'·.¸)`'·.¸)
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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| Title: Re: Truth Hunters latest fabrication. |
30 Mar 2005 03:15:01 AM |
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On 29 Mar 2005, georgann dropped trou, farted, whirled, then shouted:
I'm sure georgann will disagree, not knowing how to use logic and
all.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
You're correct Elroy, I do disagree. God knew we could and would screw
up but the WHEN was up to Him to account for. He did account for it
and did so perfectly - without negating man's free will. Would you
expect anything less of God?
Isn't it amazing what wonderful attributes you can assign to "God" just by
talking about it?
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
Plonked by Jason Gastrich for all eternity...
______________
As you were, I was. As I am, you will be.
--- Hunter S. Thompson
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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| Title: Re: Truth Hunters latest fabrication. |
30 Mar 2005 12:04:46 PM |
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georgann <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis wrote:
Right. In order for any prophecy to be 100% correct, the future has to be set
in stone and cannot be changed, hence no free will. And since the Bible is
filled with supposed "100% fulfilled" prophecies, that means that it actually
says there's no free will.
I'm sure georgann will disagree, not knowing how to use logic and all.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
You're correct Elroy, I do disagree. God knew we could and would screw up
but the WHEN was up to Him to account for. He did account for it and did so
perfectly - without negating man's free will. Would you expect anything
less of God?
I would expect an actual super-duper omniscient god to just forgive
people without having to commit suicide and pretending to be dead for
three days like your false god. What a stupid story you believe in.
--
Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
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| User: "georgann" |
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| Title: Re: Truth Hunters latest fabrication. |
30 Mar 2005 10:56:29 PM |
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Right. In order for any prophecy to be 100% correct, the future has to be
set in stone and cannot be changed, hence no free will. And since the Bible
is filled with supposed "100% fulfilled" prophecies, that means that it
actually says there's no free will.
I'm sure georgann will disagree, not knowing how to use logic and all.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
You're correct Elroy, I do disagree. God knew we could and would screw up but
the WHEN was up to Him to account for. He did account for it and did so
perfectly - without negating man's free will. Would you expect anything less
of God?
Elroy Willis wrote:
I would expect an actual super-duper omniscient god to just forgive people
without having to commit suicide and pretending to be dead for three days like
your false god. What a stupid story you believe in.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
I don't believe in a story but a personal God who has been born into human
flesh.
--
(`'·.¸(`'·.¸(`'·.¸ ¸.·'´)¸.·'´)¸.·'´)
«´¨`·.¸¸ ¸¸.·´¨ `»
"As Benjamin Franklin left the State House in Philadelphia
on the closing day of the Constitutional Convention, a woman
asked him what kind of government the statesmen had given America.
Franklin replied: 'A republic, Madame, if you can keep it.'
http://www.boingboing.net/images/Purple-USA.jpg
http://www.princeton.edu/~rvdb/JAVA/election2004/
(¸.·'´(¸.·'´(¸.·'´ `'·.¸)`'·.¸)`'·.¸)
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| User: "Dubh Ghall" |
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| Title: Re: Truth Hunters latest fabrication. |
31 Mar 2005 06:18:46 PM |
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On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 22:56:29 GMT, georgann <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote:
Elroy Willis wrote:
I would expect an actual super-duper omniscient god to just forgive people
without having to commit suicide and pretending to be dead for three days like
your false god. What a stupid story you believe in.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
I don't believe in a story but a personal God who has been born into human
flesh.
A story, by any other name, is still just a story.
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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| Title: Re: Truth Hunters latest fabrication. |
30 Mar 2005 11:34:05 PM |
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georgann <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Right. In order for any prophecy to be 100% correct, the future has to be
set in stone and cannot be changed, hence no free will. And since the Bible
is filled with supposed "100% fulfilled" prophecies, that means that it
actually says there's no free will.
I'm sure georgann will disagree, not knowing how to use logic and all.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
You're correct Elroy, I do disagree. God knew we could and would screw up but
the WHEN was up to Him to account for. He did account for it and did so
perfectly - without negating man's free will. Would you expect anything less
of God?
Elroy Willis wrote:
I would expect an actual super-duper omniscient god to just forgive people
without having to commit suicide and pretending to be dead for three days like
your false god. What a stupid story you believe in.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
I don't believe in a story but a personal God who has been born into human
flesh.
Get real. You believe in a bloody fairytale story and refuse to admit
it.
--
Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
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| User: "georgann" |
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| Title: Re: Truth Hunters latest fabrication. |
31 Mar 2005 12:02:43 AM |
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georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
You're correct Elroy, I do disagree. God knew we could and would screw up
but the WHEN was up to Him to account for. He did account for it and did so
perfectly - without negating man's free will. Would you expect anything
less of God?
Elroy Willis wrote:
I would expect an actual super-duper omniscient god to just forgive people
without having to commit suicide and pretending to be dead for three days
like your false god. What a stupid story you believe in.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
I don't believe in a story but a personal God who has been born into human
flesh.
Elroy Willis wrote:
Get real. You believe in a bloody fairytale story and refuse to admit it.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Actually I believe in a somewhat implausible truth. Only its implausible to
some and not others.
--
(`'·.¸(`'·.¸(`'·.¸ ¸.·'´)¸.·'´)¸.·'´)
«´¨`·.¸¸ ¸¸.·´¨ `»
"As Benjamin Franklin left the State House in Philadelphia
on the closing day of the Constitutional Convention, a woman
asked him what kind of government the statesmen had given America.
Franklin replied: 'A republic, Madame, if you can keep it.'
http://www.boingboing.net/images/Purple-USA.jpg
http://www.princeton.edu/~rvdb/JAVA/election2004/
(¸.·'´(¸.·'´(¸.·'´ `'·.¸)`'·.¸)`'·.¸)
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