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"Les Hellawell" |
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26 Dec 2004 06:23:23 AM |
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Tsunami - God celebrates his sons birthday? |
Is there a god?
If there is it has just celebrated by unleashing a tidal
wave on Indonesia the worlds most populous
muslim nation; Thailand a mostly Buddhist nation; and holiday
makers enjoying the sunshine beaches. Three thousand
dead
Nice one 'God'
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Les Hellawell
greetings from
YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County
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| User: "kathryn" |
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27 Dec 2004 06:04:23 AM |
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"Les Hellawell" <myshredder@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote in message
news:8mats09kmq6etln9uor096j2svkkjfj8lv@4ax.com...
Is there a god?
If there is it has just celebrated by unleashing a tidal
wave on Indonesia the worlds most populous
muslim nation; Thailand a mostly Buddhist nation; and holiday
makers enjoying the sunshine beaches. Three thousand
dead
Nice one 'God'
--
Les Hellawell
greetings from
YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County
Hmm well if jesus existed he couldnt of been born in december. and if jesus
is god then maybe he's just really pissed that people celebrate his birthday
on the wrong day. of course his wrath would of been better directed towards
north america and europe as we're primarily christian. Of course it could
simply be because he's irritated that Indonesia isn't worshipping him
properly which is a bit old testament of him.
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| User: "Sean C" |
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26 Dec 2004 09:46:54 PM |
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In article <8mats09kmq6etln9uor096j2svkkjfj8lv@4ax.com>, Les Hellawell
<myshredder@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote:
Is there a god?
If there is a God he's a sadistic *****, and we're all doomed.
If there is it has just celebrated by unleashing a tidal
wave on Indonesia the worlds most populous
muslim nation; Thailand a mostly Buddhist nation; and holiday
makers enjoying the sunshine beaches. Three thousand
dead
Nice one 'God'
No doubt the faithful will thank this "god" for sparing them. I'll bet
there are more than a few Christians over here gloating that it hit
Muslims, Hindus and Buddhists while sparing the Christians in the area.
Sean C
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| User: "stoney" |
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27 Dec 2004 03:15:59 PM |
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On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 22:46:54 -0500, Sean C
<redhawk@/burnspammersalive/hvc.rr.com> wrote:
In article <8mats09kmq6etln9uor096j2svkkjfj8lv@4ax.com>, Les Hellawell
<myshredder@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote:
Is there a god?
If there is a God he's a sadistic *****, and we're all doomed.
If there is it has just celebrated by unleashing a tidal
wave on Indonesia the worlds most populous
muslim nation; Thailand a mostly Buddhist nation; and holiday
makers enjoying the sunshine beaches. Three thousand
dead
Nice one 'God'
No doubt the faithful will thank this "god" for sparing them. I'll bet
there are more than a few Christians over here gloating that it hit
Muslims, Hindus and Buddhists while sparing the Christians in the area.
It didn't spare the Xtians in the area.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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26 Dec 2004 07:48:14 AM |
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In our last episode <8mats09kmq6etln9uor096j2svkkjfj8lv@4ax.com>, Les
Hellawell lept out of the bushes shouting:
Is there a god?
If there is it has just celebrated by unleashing a tidal wave on Indonesia
the worlds most populous muslim nation; Thailand a mostly Buddhist nation;
and holiday makers enjoying the sunshine beaches. Three thousand dead
Nice one 'God'
Yeah... joy to the world indeed...
Did you see one of the *aftershocks was a 7.3 quake? An *aftershock.
<brrrr>
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Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Being surprised at the fact that the universe
is fine tuned for life is akin to a puddle being
surprised at how well it fits its hole"
-- Douglas Adams
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| User: "Enkidu" |
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26 Dec 2004 09:44:47 AM |
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Les Hellawell <myshredder@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote in
news:8mats09kmq6etln9uor096j2svkkjfj8lv@4ax.com:
Is there a god?
If there is it has just celebrated by unleashing a tidal
wave on Indonesia the worlds most populous
muslim nation; Thailand a mostly Buddhist nation; and holiday
makers enjoying the sunshine beaches. Three thousand
dead
Nice one 'God'
"Bless us, God, and save us from yourself."
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Enkidu
"Yee-Ha" is not a foreign policy.
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| User: "bloodyvikings" |
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26 Dec 2004 06:54:08 AM |
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Les Hellawell wrote:
Is there a god?
If there is it has just celebrated by unleashing a tidal
wave on Indonesia the worlds most populous
muslim nation; Thailand a mostly Buddhist nation; and holiday
makers enjoying the sunshine beaches. Three thousand
dead
Nice one 'God'
--
Les Hellawell
greetings from
YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County
And it spared the Catholic Phillipines. This time.
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| User: "MarkA" |
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26 Dec 2004 02:51:55 PM |
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On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 12:54:08 +0000, bloodyvikings wrote:
Les Hellawell wrote:
Is there a god?
If there is it has just celebrated by unleashing a tidal
wave on Indonesia the worlds most populous
muslim nation; Thailand a mostly Buddhist nation; and holiday
makers enjoying the sunshine beaches. Three thousand
dead
Nice one 'God'
--
Les Hellawell
greetings from
YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County
And it spared the Catholic Phillipines. This time.
I guess HE figured that since HE had beat the ***** out of Protestants in
Florida with four hurricanes this year, HE'd give the Xtians a break...
--
MarkA
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| User: "Abhi" |
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26 Dec 2004 02:52:32 PM |
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Les Hellawell wrote:
Is there a god?
If there is it has just celebrated by unleashing a tidal
wave on Indonesia the worlds most populous
muslim nation; Thailand a mostly Buddhist nation; and holiday
makers enjoying the sunshine beaches. Three thousand
dead
Sad news. It has also hit India. The casuality figure is increasing.
Nice one 'God'
Have you seen "The One" movie? This is not a only universe. There are
many universes. We also exist in those universes. If someone is dead in
this universe, it does not mean that he/she is indeed dead.
BTW, have you ever figured out if length of radius of circle keeps
decreasing, how long does it takes for radius to be "zero"?
Sigh!
-Abhi.
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| User: "Kevin Anthoney" |
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26 Dec 2004 03:10:43 PM |
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Abhi wrote:
Les Hellawell wrote:
Is there a god?
If there is it has just celebrated by unleashing a tidal
wave on Indonesia the worlds most populous
muslim nation; Thailand a mostly Buddhist nation; and holiday
makers enjoying the sunshine beaches. Three thousand
dead
Sad news. It has also hit India. The casuality figure is increasing.
Nice one 'God'
Have you seen "The One" movie? This is not a only universe. There are
many universes. We also exist in those universes. If someone is dead in
this universe, it does not mean that he/she is indeed dead.
Just because it's in a movie doesn't mean it's true.
BTW, have you ever figured out if length of radius of circle keeps
decreasing, how long does it takes for radius to be "zero"?
Sigh!
That depends on how fast is decreases, and what it started as.
--
Kevin Anthoney
kanthoney[a]dsl.pipex.com
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| User: "stoney" |
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27 Dec 2004 03:14:35 PM |
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On 26 Dec 2004 12:52:32 -0800, "Abhi" <Abhijeet_B_Patil@hotmail.com>
wrote:
Les Hellawell wrote:
Is there a god?
If there is it has just celebrated by unleashing a tidal
wave on Indonesia the worlds most populous
muslim nation; Thailand a mostly Buddhist nation; and holiday
makers enjoying the sunshine beaches. Three thousand
dead
Sad news. It has also hit India. The casuality figure is increasing.
I know, 24 thousand and climbing fast. :\
[]
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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| User: "Les Hellawell" |
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26 Dec 2004 03:37:14 PM |
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On 26 Dec 2004 12:52:32 -0800, "Abhi" <Abhijeet_B_Patil@hotmail.com>
wrote:
Les Hellawell wrote:
Is there a god?
If there is it has just celebrated by unleashing a tidal
wave on Indonesia the worlds most populous
muslim nation; Thailand a mostly Buddhist nation; and holiday
makers enjoying the sunshine beaches. Three thousand
dead
Sad news. It has also hit India. The casuality figure is increasing.
Indeed circa 2000 according to the BBC with total casualties in the
11,000 range now.
Nice one 'God'
no this is no god it is nature and it is a bad one this time
Have you seen "The One" movie? This is not a only universe. There are
many universes. We also exist in those universes. If someone is dead in
this universe, it does not mean that he/she is indeed dead.
No though I have read science fiction on similar and other themes.
BTW, have you ever figured out if length of radius of circle keeps
decreasing, how long does it takes for radius to be "zero"?
Sigh!
Depends on rate of change of radius and whether the change is linear
of course (If I understand you correctly).
--
Les Hellawell
greetings from
YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County
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26 Dec 2004 02:36:06 PM |
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Les Hellawell wrote:
Is there a god?
If there is it has just celebrated by unleashing a tidal
wave on Indonesia the worlds most populous
muslim nation; Thailand a mostly Buddhist nation; and holiday
makers enjoying the sunshine beaches. Three thousand
dead
Nice one 'God'
there is no god, the american military did it.
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| User: "duke" |
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26 Dec 2004 12:40:00 PM |
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On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 12:23:23 +0000, Les Hellawell <myshredder@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote:
Is there a god?
If there is it has just celebrated by unleashing a tidal
wave on Indonesia the worlds most populous
muslim nation; Thailand a mostly Buddhist nation; and holiday
makers enjoying the sunshine beaches. Three thousand
dead
Nice one 'God'
Too bad you still don't understand, les.
duke
*****
Matthew 11
28"Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened,
and I will give you rest. 29Take my yoke upon you
and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in
heart, and you will find rest for your souls.
30For my yoke is easy and my burden is light."
*****
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| User: "stoney" |
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27 Dec 2004 02:57:34 PM |
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On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 12:40:00 -0600, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 12:23:23 +0000, Les Hellawell <myshredder@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote:
Is there a god?
If there is it has just celebrated by unleashing a tidal
wave on Indonesia the worlds most populous
muslim nation; Thailand a mostly Buddhist nation; and holiday
makers enjoying the sunshine beaches. Three thousand
dead
Nice one 'God'
Too bad you still don't understand, les.
Oh, Les understands *very* well. Thank you, though for again
demonstrating you're an inhuman monster, Puke.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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| User: "Les Hellawell" |
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27 Dec 2004 04:09:11 PM |
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On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 12:57:34 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 12:40:00 -0600, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 12:23:23 +0000, Les Hellawell <myshredder@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote:
Is there a god?
If there is it has just celebrated by unleashing a tidal
wave on Indonesia the worlds most populous
muslim nation; Thailand a mostly Buddhist nation; and holiday
makers enjoying the sunshine beaches. Three thousand
dead
Nice one 'God'
Too bad you still don't understand, les.
Oh, Les understands *very* well. Thank you, though for again
demonstrating you're an inhuman monster, Puke.
Thank you for your support but please, that is not a very nice thing
to say of anybody.
Actually I think this thread was a mistake. I should not have
used a terrible tragedy like this as an cheap opportunity to attack
somebodys religion in this way. I think believers are bound to
have their faith tested by this kind of event without out me adding to
it. If that is what Duke refers to then I am sorry I did it
--
Les Hellawell
greetings from
YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County
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| User: "stoney" |
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28 Dec 2004 06:08:54 PM |
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On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 22:09:11 +0000, Les Hellawell
<myshredder@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote:
On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 12:57:34 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 12:40:00 -0600, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 12:23:23 +0000, Les Hellawell <myshredder@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote:
Is there a god?
If there is it has just celebrated by unleashing a tidal
wave on Indonesia the worlds most populous
muslim nation; Thailand a mostly Buddhist nation; and holiday
makers enjoying the sunshine beaches. Three thousand
dead
Nice one 'God'
Too bad you still don't understand, les.
Oh, Les understands *very* well. Thank you, though for again
demonstrating you're an inhuman monster, Puke.
Thank you for your support but please, that is not a very nice thing
to say of anybody.
It is very accurate though as Puke has demonstrated time and again.
Actually I think this thread was a mistake. I should not have
used a terrible tragedy like this as an cheap opportunity to attack
somebodys religion in this way.
I disagree about the mistake. The tragedy illustrates the lies of
Christianity.
I think believers are bound to
have their faith tested by this kind of event without out me adding to
it. If that is what Duke refers to then I am sorry I did it
With an omni deity there's no reason to 'test.'
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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| User: "Les Hellawell" |
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26 Dec 2004 02:06:32 PM |
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On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 12:40:00 -0600, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 12:23:23 +0000, Les Hellawell <myshredder@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote:
Is there a god?
If there is it has just celebrated by unleashing a tidal
wave on Indonesia the worlds most populous
muslim nation; Thailand a mostly Buddhist nation; and holiday
makers enjoying the sunshine beaches. Three thousand
dead
Nice one 'God'
Too bad you still don't understand, les.
but I do. It is to do with natural geological events and nothing
whatsover to do with non existant gods.
--
Les Hellawell
greetings from
YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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26 Dec 2004 02:34:50 PM |
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In our last episode <vs5us059mgjfn6odcjf5qhlpf32nl788ti@4ax.com>, Les
Hellawell lept out of the bushes shouting:
On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 12:40:00 -0600, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 12:23:23 +0000, Les Hellawell
<myshredder@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote:
Is there a god?
If there is it has just celebrated by unleashing a tidal wave on
Indonesia the worlds most populous muslim nation; Thailand a mostly
Buddhist nation; and holiday makers enjoying the sunshine beaches. Three
thousand dead
Nice one 'God'
Too bad you still don't understand, les.
but I do. It is to do with natural geological events and nothing whatsover
to do with non existant gods.
You'll have to excuse Doook. He's awful busy masturbating with joy over
the death of some 10,000 darkies...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Being surprised at the fact that the universe
is fine tuned for life is akin to a puddle being
surprised at how well it fits its hole"
-- Douglas Adams
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26 Dec 2004 05:44:48 PM |
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On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 20:06:32 +0000, Les Hellawell wrote:
On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 12:40:00 -0600, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 12:23:23 +0000, Les Hellawell
<myshredder@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote:
Is there a god?
If there is it has just celebrated by unleashing a tidal wave on
Indonesia the worlds most populous muslim nation; Thailand a mostly
Buddhist nation; and holiday makers enjoying the sunshine beaches. Three
thousand dead
Nice one 'God'
Too bad you still don't understand, les.
but I do. It is to do with natural geological events and nothing whatsover
to do with non existant gods.
--
Les Hellawell
greetings from
YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County
No, you don't. I'll explain. Good luck is evidence of God's existence.
Bad luck is also evidence of God's existence. There is *no* evidence of
God's non-existence, ergo, the chance of God not existing is zero! Got
it? If it doesn't make sense, just keep re-reading it until it does.
--
MarkA
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| User: "Les Hellawell" |
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27 Dec 2004 05:50:04 AM |
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On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 18:44:48 -0500, "MarkA" <nospam@nobizz.com> wrote:
On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 20:06:32 +0000, Les Hellawell wrote:
On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 12:40:00 -0600, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 12:23:23 +0000, Les Hellawell
<myshredder@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote:
Is there a god?
If there is it has just celebrated by unleashing a tidal wave on
Indonesia the worlds most populous muslim nation; Thailand a mostly
Buddhist nation; and holiday makers enjoying the sunshine beaches. Three
thousand dead
Nice one 'God'
Too bad you still don't understand, les.
but I do. It is to do with natural geological events and nothing whatsover
to do with non existant gods.
No, you don't. I'll explain. Good luck is evidence of God's existence.
Bad luck is also evidence of God's existence. There is *no* evidence of
God's non-existence, ergo, the chance of God not existing is zero! Got
it? If it doesn't make sense, just keep re-reading it until it does.
No I think I have got it.
Abstracting the logic from the example substituting X (where X
is anything which cannot be proved not to exist, such as god) for
'god'
There is *no* evidence of X's non existence, ergo, the chance of X
not existing is zero!
Thus if some X has no chance of not existing then X exists.
Simplifying:
There is no evidence X does not exist therefore X exists
Is this your argument? (where X=god as described above)
There is no evidence that the following gods do not exist therefore
they all exist:
Zeuss
Odin
Thor
any god ever though up!
I do hope you are not an atheist with regard to belief in
these gods which you have just demonstrated by you
logic to exist.
Anything I care to invent out of my mind will also qualify
if I cannot prove it does not exist.
Hmm lets see, what can my feeble imagination conjure up?
How about the great all powerful Wizard Mobeius who controls
your thoughts by waving his wand. He sees through your eyes
what you see.
I have no evidence Mobeius does not exist and no evidence
he controls your thoughts therefore he exists and he
controls your thoughts - this is your logic remember!
Ah yes:How about Harry Potter? There is no evidence
whatsoever Harry Potter does not exist therefore he exists
Sherlock Holmes exists
Dracula exist.
The might mongul ruler of the universe exists
Darth Vader exist as does 'The Force'
Unicorns, Tooth faries, pixies, fairies, Santa Clause
None of these can be proved not to exist therefore they exist.
Does anybody sense anything strange about this logic?
--
Les Hellawell
greetings from
YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County
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27 Dec 2004 06:33:51 AM |
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On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 11:50:04 +0000, Les Hellawell wrote:
On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 18:44:48 -0500, "MarkA" <nospam@nobizz.com> wrote:
On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 20:06:32 +0000, Les Hellawell wrote:
On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 12:40:00 -0600, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 12:23:23 +0000, Les Hellawell
<myshredder@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote:
Is there a god?
If there is it has just celebrated by unleashing a tidal wave on
Indonesia the worlds most populous muslim nation; Thailand a mostly
Buddhist nation; and holiday makers enjoying the sunshine beaches.
Three thousand dead
Nice one 'God'
Too bad you still don't understand, les.
but I do. It is to do with natural geological events and nothing
whatsover to do with non existant gods.
No, you don't. I'll explain. Good luck is evidence of God's existence.
Bad luck is also evidence of God's existence. There is *no* evidence of
God's non-existence, ergo, the chance of God not existing is zero! Got
it? If it doesn't make sense, just keep re-reading it until it does.
No I think I have got it.
Abstracting the logic from the example substituting X (where X is anything
which cannot be proved not to exist, such as god) for 'god'
There is *no* evidence of X's non existence, ergo, the chance of X not
existing is zero!
Thus if some X has no chance of not existing then X exists.
Simplifying:
There is no evidence X does not exist therefore X exists
Is this your argument? (where X=god as described above)
There is no evidence that the following gods do not exist therefore they
all exist:
Zeuss
Odin
Thor
any god ever though up!
I do hope you are not an atheist with regard to belief in these gods which
you have just demonstrated by you logic to exist.
Anything I care to invent out of my mind will also qualify if I cannot
prove it does not exist.
Hmm lets see, what can my feeble imagination conjure up?
How about the great all powerful Wizard Mobeius who controls your thoughts
by waving his wand. He sees through your eyes what you see.
I have no evidence Mobeius does not exist and no evidence he controls
your thoughts therefore he exists and he controls your thoughts - this is
your logic remember!
Ah yes:How about Harry Potter? There is no evidence whatsoever Harry
Potter does not exist therefore he exists Sherlock Holmes exists
Dracula exist.
The might mongul ruler of the universe exists Darth Vader exist as does
'The Force' Unicorns, Tooth faries, pixies, fairies, Santa Clause None of
these can be proved not to exist therefore they exist.
Does anybody sense anything strange about this logic?
Well, if you're going to use logic, all bets are off. You are dealing
with people who think the following is "logical": a) I believe in God, b)
I cannot consider the possibility that "a" might be wrong, ergo, c) any
and all evidence and logic must come to a conclusion that supports premise
"a", regardless of how tortured, convoluted, and flawed the process that
gets you there.
NOW do you understand?
--
MarkA
(still caught in the maze of twisty little passages, all different)
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| User: "Les Hellawell" |
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27 Dec 2004 07:50:33 AM |
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On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 12:33:51 GMT, MarkA <manthony@stopspam.net> wrote:
On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 11:50:04 +0000, Les Hellawell wrote:
On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 18:44:48 -0500, "MarkA" <nospam@nobizz.com> wrote:
On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 20:06:32 +0000, Les Hellawell wrote:
On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 12:40:00 -0600, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 12:23:23 +0000, Les Hellawell
<myshredder@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote:
Is there a god?
If there is it has just celebrated by unleashing a tidal wave on
Indonesia the worlds most populous muslim nation; Thailand a mostly
Buddhist nation; and holiday makers enjoying the sunshine beaches.
Three thousand dead
Nice one 'God'
Too bad you still don't understand, les.
but I do. It is to do with natural geological events and nothing
whatsover to do with non existant gods.
No, you don't. I'll explain. Good luck is evidence of God's existence.
Bad luck is also evidence of God's existence. There is *no* evidence of
God's non-existence, ergo, the chance of God not existing is zero! Got
it? If it doesn't make sense, just keep re-reading it until it does.
No I think I have got it.
Abstracting the logic from the example substituting X (where X is anything
which cannot be proved not to exist, such as god) for 'god'
There is *no* evidence of X's non existence, ergo, the chance of X not
existing is zero!
Thus if some X has no chance of not existing then X exists.
Simplifying:
There is no evidence X does not exist therefore X exists
Is this your argument? (where X=god as described above)
There is no evidence that the following gods do not exist therefore they
all exist:
Zeuss
Odin
Thor
any god ever though up!
I do hope you are not an atheist with regard to belief in these gods which
you have just demonstrated by you logic to exist.
Anything I care to invent out of my mind will also qualify if I cannot
prove it does not exist.
Hmm lets see, what can my feeble imagination conjure up?
How about the great all powerful Wizard Mobeius who controls your thoughts
by waving his wand. He sees through your eyes what you see.
I have no evidence Mobeius does not exist and no evidence he controls
your thoughts therefore he exists and he controls your thoughts - this is
your logic remember!
Ah yes:How about Harry Potter? There is no evidence whatsoever Harry
Potter does not exist therefore he exists Sherlock Holmes exists
Dracula exist.
The might mongul ruler of the universe exists Darth Vader exist as does
'The Force' Unicorns, Tooth faries, pixies, fairies, Santa Clause None of
these can be proved not to exist therefore they exist.
Does anybody sense anything strange about this logic?
Well, if you're going to use logic, all bets are off. You are dealing
with people who think the following is "logical": a) I believe in God, b)
I cannot consider the possibility that "a" might be wrong, ergo, c) any
and all evidence and logic must come to a conclusion that supports premise
"a", regardless of how tortured, convoluted, and flawed the process that
gets you there.
NOW do you understand?
Sorry, I forgot to mention at the top it was Christian logic I was
following not normal logic and I did not realise you was using
it ironically.That kind Irony does not work here it looks to be from
a genuine Christian being serious. Indeed it has come from Christians
being serious.
Yes I understand :-)
--
Les Hellawell
greetings from
YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County
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| User: "Martin Crisp" |
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| Title: Re: Tsunami - God celebrates his sons birthday? |
27 Dec 2004 06:08:12 AM |
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On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 22:50:04 +1100, Les Hellawell wrote
(in article <0krvs0plj3kn8297vsbf191kltgad4j9v5@4ax.com>):
[snip deconstruction]
Does anybody sense anything strange about this logic?
Strange => unusual, no, nothing, it's the same old theist BS.
Strange => 'broken', yes, of course, it's the same...
Have Fun
Martin
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