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"Bill" |
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29 Dec 2004 06:55:08 PM |
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Tsunami and God |
The deaths from the Asian Tsunami now top 80,000 men, women and innocent
children. There are thousands more that are injured. It is estimated there
are an additional two million who are homeless and at risk for serious
health problems from the polluted drinking water.
God supposedly created and controls the Universe, the World and everything
in it. God is supposedly omniscient & omnipotent and benevolent.
Why did God cause or permit this terrible catastrophe to occur?
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Bill
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| User: "Michelle Malkin" |
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| Title: Re: Tsunami and God |
29 Dec 2004 10:33:03 PM |
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"Bill" <wmech@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:MlIAd.1187825$Gx4.352981@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
The deaths from the Asian Tsunami now top 80,000 men, women and innocent
children. There are thousands more that are injured. It is estimated there
are an additional two million who are homeless and at risk for serious
health problems from the polluted drinking water.
God supposedly created and controls the Universe, the World and everything
in it. God is supposedly omniscient & omnipotent and benevolent.
Why did God cause or permit this terrible catastrophe to occur?
--
Bill
'His' ways are supposed to be 'mysterious', doncha know, and
beyond human ken, I guess that means that it's a murderous
monster, even though it doesn't exist.
Mickey
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| User: "CDumont" |
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| Title: Re: Tsunami and God |
29 Dec 2004 07:28:55 PM |
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"Bill" <wmech@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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The deaths from the Asian Tsunami now top 80,000 men, women and innocent
children. There are thousands more that are injured. It is estimated there
are an additional two million who are homeless and at risk for serious
health problems from the polluted drinking water.
God supposedly created and controls the Universe, the World and everything
in it. God is supposedly omniscient & omnipotent and benevolent.
Why did God cause or permit this terrible catastrophe to occur?
--
Bill
Since it is obvious you have not studied the Scriptures,God created
mankind with a freewill so that they choose there own desteny and he will
not interfere with anyones life other then his elect, thats because on
judgement day no one can claim God interfeared with there life.
For instance if he saves a child and that child grows up to be a atiest,
then that person will say if you would have let me die when i was a child
and innocent, i would have gone to heaven, as for Gods elect they were
already judged and found to be rightous in the first world age, so God can
interfere in there lives and they will not die until there mission is
complete, they are the one with a guardien angel.
I realise with athiest people this flesh life is the most importent thing
they own, and to them it probably is since eternel life will not belong to
them if they don't repent, but it's your soul that should be the most
important thing you own.
Who told you that God created and controled the universe and all those
things? God bless
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| User: "navi-gater" |
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| Title: Re: Tsunami and God |
29 Dec 2004 10:56:42 PM |
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"CDumont" <cdumont@telusplanet.net> wrote in
news:rRIAd.17766$nN6.12943@edtnps84:
Since it is obvious you have not studied the Scriptures,God created
mankind with a freewill so that they choose there own desteny and he
will not interfere with anyones life other then his elect, thats
because on judgement day no one can claim God interfeared with there
life.
Why did your god create the universe?
Is there a point at all, a greater goal he is trying to achieve?
If so, why did he give man free-will, when he could have achieved that
purpose without the free-will thing?
gater.
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| User: "bob young" |
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| Title: Re: Tsunami and God |
30 Dec 2004 04:26:04 AM |
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navi-gater wrote:
"CDumont" <cdumont@telusplanet.net> wrote in
news:rRIAd.17766$nN6.12943@edtnps84:
Since it is obvious you have not studied the Scriptures,God created
mankind with a freewill so that they choose there own desteny and he
will not interfere with anyones life other then his elect, thats
because on judgement day no one can claim God interfeared with there
life.
Why did your god create the universe?
Is there a point at all, a greater goal he is trying to achieve?
If so, why did he give man free-will, when he could have achieved that
purpose without the free-will thing?
So that Benny Hinn and his ilk could do his pretend miracles on television
and make himself a millionaire. It has been going on for thousands of
years
gater.
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| User: "Steve" |
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| Title: Re: Tsunami and God |
29 Dec 2004 08:18:02 PM |
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"CDumont" <cdumont@telusplanet.net> wrote in message
news:rRIAd.17766$nN6.12943@edtnps84...
"Bill" <wmech@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:MlIAd.1187825$Gx4.352981@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
The deaths from the Asian Tsunami now top 80,000 men, women and innocent
children. There are thousands more that are injured. It is estimated
there
are an additional two million who are homeless and at risk for serious
health problems from the polluted drinking water.
God supposedly created and controls the Universe, the World and
everything
in it. God is supposedly omniscient & omnipotent and benevolent.
Why did God cause or permit this terrible catastrophe to occur?
--
Bill
Since it is obvious you have not studied the Scriptures,God created
mankind with a freewill so that they choose there own desteny and he will
not interfere with anyones life other then his elect, thats because on
judgement day no one can claim God interfeared with there life.
so u are telling me that pray cannot work because this would be interferring
in someones life... right ?
but your bible says ask and it shall be given..... which one is right ??
For instance if he saves a child and that child grows up to be a atiest,
then that person will say if you would have let me die when i was a child
and innocent, i would have gone to heaven,
for Gods elect they were
already judged and found to be rightous in the first world age, so God can
interfere in there lives and they will not die until there mission is
complete, they are the one with a guardien angel.
I realise with athiest people this flesh life is the most importent
thing
they own, and to them it probably is since eternel life will not belong to
them if they don't repent, but it's your soul that should be the most
important thing you own.
Who told you that God created and controled the universe and all those
things? God bless
your god is defined as omnipotent isnt he ? .. knows everything...is
everywhere....made everything ?
are u telling me god didnt create the universe ?? that he doesnt control
everything ??
Steve
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| User: "CDumont" |
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29 Dec 2004 10:10:18 PM |
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"Steve" <kmbs57@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"CDumont" <cdumont@telusplanet.net> wrote in message
news:rRIAd.17766$nN6.12943@edtnps84...
"Bill" <wmech@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:MlIAd.1187825$Gx4.352981@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
The deaths from the Asian Tsunami now top 80,000 men, women and
innocent
children. There are thousands more that are injured. It is estimated
there
are an additional two million who are homeless and at risk for serious
health problems from the polluted drinking water.
God supposedly created and controls the Universe, the World and
everything
in it. God is supposedly omniscient & omnipotent and benevolent.
Why did God cause or permit this terrible catastrophe to occur?
--
Bill
Since it is obvious you have not studied the Scriptures,God created
mankind with a freewill so that they choose there own desteny and he will
not interfere with anyones life other then his elect, thats because on
judgement day no one can claim God interfeared with there life.
so u are telling me that pray cannot work because this would be
interferring
in someones life... right ?
but your bible says ask and it shall be given..... which one is right ??
For instance if he saves a child and that child grows up to be a
atiest,
then that person will say if you would have let me die when i was a child
and innocent, i would have gone to heaven,
for Gods elect they were
already judged and found to be rightous in the first world age, so God
can
interfere in there lives and they will not die until there mission is
complete, they are the one with a guardien angel.
I realise with athiest people this flesh life is the most importent
thing
they own, and to them it probably is since eternel life will not belong
to
them if they don't repent, but it's your soul that should be the most
important thing you own.
Who told you that God created and controled the universe and all those
things? God bless
your god is defined as omnipotent isnt he ? .. knows everything...is
everywhere....made everything ?
are u telling me god didnt create the universe ?? that he doesnt control
everything ??
Steve
Did you know that praying means talking to God, everyone should talk to
God, the main thing you should ask for is forgiveness for your sins, and
wisdom to understand the Scriptures, and spititual things.
Don't ask for material things, you have to work for those,don't ask for
good health if you don't follow the food laws, etc.
I did not say God did'nt create the universe, i asked where did you read
that????where??/ God bless
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| User: "Steve" |
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29 Dec 2004 11:06:28 PM |
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"CDumont" <cdumont@telusplanet.net> wrote in message
news:KcLAd.25511$Y72.6701@edtnps91...
"Steve" <kmbs57@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"CDumont" <cdumont@telusplanet.net> wrote in message
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"Bill" <wmech@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:MlIAd.1187825$Gx4.352981@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
The deaths from the Asian Tsunami now top 80,000 men, women and
innocent
children. There are thousands more that are injured. It is estimated
there
are an additional two million who are homeless and at risk for
serious
health problems from the polluted drinking water.
God supposedly created and controls the Universe, the World and
everything
in it. God is supposedly omniscient & omnipotent and benevolent.
Why did God cause or permit this terrible catastrophe to occur?
--
Bill
Since it is obvious you have not studied the Scriptures,God created
mankind with a freewill so that they choose there own desteny and he
will
not interfere with anyones life other then his elect, thats because on
judgement day no one can claim God interfeared with there life.
so u are telling me that pray cannot work because this would be
interferring
in someones life... right ?
but your bible says ask and it shall be given..... which one is right
??
For instance if he saves a child and that child grows up to be a
atiest,
then that person will say if you would have let me die when i was a
child
and innocent, i would have gone to heaven,
for Gods elect they were
already judged and found to be rightous in the first world age, so God
can
interfere in there lives and they will not die until there mission is
complete, they are the one with a guardien angel.
I realise with athiest people this flesh life is the most importent
thing
they own, and to them it probably is since eternel life will not belong
to
them if they don't repent, but it's your soul that should be the most
important thing you own.
Who told you that God created and controled the universe and all
those
things? God bless
your god is defined as omnipotent isnt he ? .. knows everything...is
everywhere....made everything ?
are u telling me god didnt create the universe ?? that he doesnt control
everything ??
Steve
Did you know that praying means talking to God, everyone should talk to
God, the main thing you should ask for is forgiveness for your sins, and
wisdom to understand the Scriptures, and spititual things.
Don't ask for material things, you have to work for those,don't ask for
good health if you don't follow the food laws, etc.
I did not say God did'nt create the universe, i asked where did you read
that????where??/ God bless
gee....praying means talking to god (actually it means u *think* you are
talking to god)..... thank you so much .... until today i did not know what
that meant
so u are telling me that (assuming you go to a church of some kind) when the
guy in charge says lets pray for this person be helped or that problem get
his atention it is a complete waste of time ? - you only pray to understand
your confusing book - which leads me to why is it so abstract and
conflicting that u need him to interfer so that u can understand it ?
and who are you to say what u should and should not ask for ? ... it says in
your book that ask and you shall receive
John 16:23
Verily, verily, I say unto you, *Whatsoever* ye shall ask the Father in my
name, he will give [it] you.--
and i think it is the first book of your bable .... but i dont understand
why u ask this.
Steve
Steve
Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht
oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is taht the frist
and lsat ltteer be at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a total mses and you
can sitll raed it wouthit porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not
raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe.
Fcuknig amzanig huh?
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| User: "CDumont" |
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30 Dec 2004 02:05:46 AM |
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"Steve" <kmbs57@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"CDumont" <cdumont@telusplanet.net> wrote in message
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"Steve" <kmbs57@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"CDumont" <cdumont@telusplanet.net> wrote in message
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"Bill" <wmech@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:MlIAd.1187825$Gx4.352981@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
The deaths from the Asian Tsunami now top 80,000 men, women and
innocent
children. There are thousands more that are injured. It is estimated
there
are an additional two million who are homeless and at risk for
serious
health problems from the polluted drinking water.
God supposedly created and controls the Universe, the World and
everything
in it. God is supposedly omniscient & omnipotent and benevolent.
Why did God cause or permit this terrible catastrophe to occur?
--
Bill
Since it is obvious you have not studied the Scriptures,God created
mankind with a freewill so that they choose there own desteny and he
will
not interfere with anyones life other then his elect, thats because on
judgement day no one can claim God interfeared with there life.
so u are telling me that pray cannot work because this would be
interferring
in someones life... right ?
but your bible says ask and it shall be given..... which one is right
??
For instance if he saves a child and that child grows up to be a
atiest,
then that person will say if you would have let me die when i was a
child
and innocent, i would have gone to heaven,
for Gods elect they were
already judged and found to be rightous in the first world age, so God
can
interfere in there lives and they will not die until there mission is
complete, they are the one with a guardien angel.
I realise with athiest people this flesh life is the most importent
thing
they own, and to them it probably is since eternel life will not
belong
to
them if they don't repent, but it's your soul that should be the most
important thing you own.
Who told you that God created and controled the universe and all
those
things? God bless
your god is defined as omnipotent isnt he ? .. knows everything...is
everywhere....made everything ?
are u telling me god didnt create the universe ?? that he doesnt
control
everything ??
Steve
Did you know that praying means talking to God, everyone should talk to
God, the main thing you should ask for is forgiveness for your sins, and
wisdom to understand the Scriptures, and spititual things.
Don't ask for material things, you have to work for those,don't ask for
good health if you don't follow the food laws, etc.
I did not say God did'nt create the universe, i asked where did you
read
that????where??/ God bless
gee....praying means talking to god (actually it means u *think* you are
talking to god)..... thank you so much .... until today i did not know
what
that meant
so u are telling me that (assuming you go to a church of some kind) when
the
guy in charge says lets pray for this person be helped or that problem get
his atention it is a complete waste of time ? - you only pray to
understand
your confusing book - which leads me to why is it so abstract and
conflicting that u need him to interfer so that u can understand it ?
and who are you to say what u should and should not ask for ? ... it says
in
your book that ask and you shall receive
John 16:23
Verily, verily, I say unto you, *Whatsoever* ye shall ask the Father in my
name, he will give [it] you.--
and i think it is the first book of your bable .... but i dont understand
why u ask this
I do not make the rules on praying, the Scriptures does, first thing you
have to do is believe that Jesus died on the cross for us sinners,second
thing we have to do is ask for forgiveness for our own sins, because God
does not listen to none believers and sinners, and material things we have
to work for, we are told however to pray for one another.
The word whatsoever in the Bible is, tis in Greek, and it means certain,
in other words certain things you ask for you will receive, and that applies
to believers who has confessed his sins.
The reson i asked where you read that God created the universe is because
i want to know, i can't find it in the Scriptures, so somebody must have
told you that, you can't believe everything you hear, thats why i study the
Scriptures, thats the best thing you can pray for, the understanding of the
Scriptures. God bless
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| User: "Enkidu" |
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30 Dec 2004 09:35:27 AM |
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"CDumont" <cdumont@telusplanet.net> wrote in
news:uFOAd.27939$Y72.2445@edtnps91:
The ignorance:
The reson i asked where you read that God created the universe is
because i want to know, i can't find it in the Scriptures,
--
Enkidu AA# 2165
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then where does evil come from?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?
Epicurus 341-270 B.C.E.
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| User: "Martin Crisp" |
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30 Dec 2004 10:05:02 AM |
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On Dec 31, 2004, Enkidu sent message
<Xns95CF4D387AB6Fenkiduleaddogsorg@68.6.19.6>, which allegedly
said:
"CDumont" <cdumont@telusplanet.net> wrote in
news:uFOAd.27939$Y72.2445@edtnps91:
The ignorance:
The reson i asked where you read that God created the universe is
because i want to know, i can't find it in the Scriptures,
Aye.
Have Fun
Martin
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aa #1792 Almost always SMASHed
AIM: Hypercube3141592
ICQ: 137333576
email: as given, or whatever you like @ tesseract.com.au
ph: http://www.whitepages.com.au/
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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30 Dec 2004 12:04:22 PM |
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"Martin Crisp" <Spam.Bucket@tesseract.com.au> wrote in message
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On Dec 31, 2004, Enkidu sent message
<Xns95CF4D387AB6Fenkiduleaddogsorg@68.6.19.6>, which allegedly
said:
"CDumont" <cdumont@telusplanet.net> wrote in
news:uFOAd.27939$Y72.2445@edtnps91:
The ignorance:
The reson i asked where you read that God created the universe is
because i want to know, i can't find it in the Scriptures,
Well, he's kind of right, you know. The bible describes the god existing in
some sort of environment that it's not described as having created.
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
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| User: "wcb" |
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30 Dec 2004 02:30:30 PM |
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Denis Loubet wrote:
"Martin Crisp" <Spam.Bucket@tesseract.com.au> wrote in message
news:0001HW.BDFA725E0077851BF02845B0@news.ozemail.com.au...
On Dec 31, 2004, Enkidu sent message
<Xns95CF4D387AB6Fenkiduleaddogsorg@68.6.19.6>, which allegedly
said:
"CDumont" <cdumont@telusplanet.net> wrote in
news:uFOAd.27939$Y72.2445@edtnps91:
The ignorance:
The reson i asked where you read that God created the universe is
because i want to know, i can't find it in the Scriptures,
Well, he's kind of right, you know. The bible describes the god existing
in some sort of environment that it's not described as having created.
Google for literal translations of Genesis 1.
In the begining, god created the heavens and earth.
--
Dance, monkeys, dance!
Cheerful Charlie
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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30 Dec 2004 03:05:34 PM |
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"wcb" <wbarwell@mylinuxisp.com> wrote in message
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Denis Loubet wrote:
"Martin Crisp" <Spam.Bucket@tesseract.com.au> wrote in message
news:0001HW.BDFA725E0077851BF02845B0@news.ozemail.com.au...
On Dec 31, 2004, Enkidu sent message
<Xns95CF4D387AB6Fenkiduleaddogsorg@68.6.19.6>, which allegedly
said:
"CDumont" <cdumont@telusplanet.net> wrote in
news:uFOAd.27939$Y72.2445@edtnps91:
The ignorance:
The reson i asked where you read that God created the universe is
because i want to know, i can't find it in the Scriptures,
Well, he's kind of right, you know. The bible describes the god existing
in some sort of environment that it's not described as having created.
Google for literal translations of Genesis 1.
In the begining, god created the heavens and earth.
But not the waters?
And where was the god before it created the heavens and the earth?
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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30 Dec 2004 09:41:52 PM |
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On 30 Dec 2004, Denis Loubet dropped trou, farted, whirled, then
shouted:
Google for literal translations of Genesis 1.
In the begining, god created the heavens and earth.
But not the waters?
Funny how it doesn't say that. The spirit of gawd moved against the
waters. But he didn't create them. This was his first magic trick. Maybe
he got so excited after poofing it all that he wet himself. He *is*
everywhere, ya know...
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
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Hebrews 11:1
Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not
seen.
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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30 Dec 2004 11:14:17 PM |
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"Vic Sagerquist" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:Xns95CFC89BF4ABBvicman@216.148.227.77...
On 30 Dec 2004, Denis Loubet dropped trou, farted, whirled, then
shouted:
I certainly hope that got a laugh!
I'd hate to think I did all that for nothing. ;-)
Google for literal translations of Genesis 1.
In the begining, god created the heavens and earth.
But not the waters?
Funny how it doesn't say that. The spirit of gawd moved against the
waters. But he didn't create them. This was his first magic trick.
Maybe
he got so excited after poofing it all that he wet himself. He *is*
everywhere, ya know...
And den dere's duh foimament. Not just a little foimament, but a whole mess
'o foimament!
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
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| User: "Les Hellawell" |
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31 Dec 2004 09:59:28 AM |
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On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 23:14:17 -0600, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com>
wrote:
"Vic Sagerquist" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:Xns95CFC89BF4ABBvicman@216.148.227.77...
On 30 Dec 2004, Denis Loubet dropped trou, farted, whirled, then
shouted:
I certainly hope that got a laugh!
I'd hate to think I did all that for nothing. ;-)
Google for literal translations of Genesis 1.
In the begining, god created the heavens and earth.
But not the waters?
Funny how it doesn't say that. The spirit of gawd moved against the
waters. But he didn't create them. This was his first magic trick.
Maybe
he got so excited after poofing it all that he wet himself. He *is*
everywhere, ya know...
And den dere's duh foimament. Not just a little foimament, but a whole mess
'o foimament!
Don't they tell us "God moves in mysterious waves"
--
Les Hellawell
greetings from
YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County
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| User: "*nemo*" |
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02 Jan 2005 09:33:27 PM |
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In article <0001HW.BDFA725E0077851BF02845B0@news.ozemail.com.au>,
Martin Crisp <Spam.Bucket@tesseract.com.au> wrote:
On Dec 31, 2004, Enkidu sent message
<Xns95CF4D387AB6Fenkiduleaddogsorg@68.6.19.6>, which allegedly
said:
"CDumont" <cdumont@telusplanet.net> wrote in
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The ignorance:
The reson i asked where you read that God created the universe is
because i want to know, i can't find it in the Scriptures,
Aye.
Recorded
Have Fun
Martin
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30 Dec 2004 04:16:55 AM |
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CDumont wrote:
"Steve" <kmbs57@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"CDumont" <cdumont@telusplanet.net> wrote in message
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"Steve" <kmbs57@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Bill" <wmech@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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The deaths from the Asian Tsunami now top 80,000 men, women and
innocent
children. There are thousands more that are injured. It is estimated
there
are an additional two million who are homeless and at risk for
serious
health problems from the polluted drinking water.
God supposedly created and controls the Universe, the World and
everything
in it. God is supposedly omniscient & omnipotent and benevolent.
Why did God cause or permit this terrible catastrophe to occur?
--
Bill
Since it is obvious you have not studied the Scriptures,God created
mankind with a freewill so that they choose there own desteny and he
will
not interfere with anyones life other then his elect, thats because on
judgement day no one can claim God interfeared with there life.
so u are telling me that pray cannot work because this would be
interferring
in someones life... right ?
but your bible says ask and it shall be given..... which one is right
??
For instance if he saves a child and that child grows up to be a
atiest,
then that person will say if you would have let me die when i was a
child
and innocent, i would have gone to heaven,
for Gods elect they were
already judged and found to be rightous in the first world age, so God
can
interfere in there lives and they will not die until there mission is
complete, they are the one with a guardien angel.
I realise with athiest people this flesh life is the most importent
thing
they own, and to them it probably is since eternel life will not
belong
to
them if they don't repent, but it's your soul that should be the most
important thing you own.
Who told you that God created and controled the universe and all
those
things? God bless
your god is defined as omnipotent isnt he ? .. knows everything...is
everywhere....made everything ?
are u telling me god didnt create the universe ?? that he doesnt
control
everything ??
Steve
Did you know that praying means talking to God, everyone should talk to
God, the main thing you should ask for is forgiveness for your sins, and
wisdom to understand the Scriptures, and spititual things.
Don't ask for material things, you have to work for those,don't ask for
good health if you don't follow the food laws, etc.
I did not say God did'nt create the universe, i asked where did you
read
that????where??/ God bless
gee....praying means talking to god (actually it means u *think* you are
talking to god)..... thank you so much .... until today i did not know
what
that meant
so u are telling me that (assuming you go to a church of some kind) when
the
guy in charge says lets pray for this person be helped or that problem get
his atention it is a complete waste of time ? - you only pray to
understand
your confusing book - which leads me to why is it so abstract and
conflicting that u need him to interfer so that u can understand it ?
and who are you to say what u should and should not ask for ? ... it says
in
your book that ask and you shall receive
John 16:23
Verily, verily, I say unto you, *Whatsoever* ye shall ask the Father in my
name, he will give [it] you.--
and i think it is the first book of your bable .... but i dont understand
why u ask this
I do not make the rules on praying, the Scriptures does, first thing you
have to do is believe that Jesus died on the cross for us sinners,second
thing we have to do is ask for forgiveness for our own sins, because God
does not listen to none believers and sinners, and material things we have
to work for, we are told however to pray for one another.
The word whatsoever in the Bible is, tis in Greek, and it means certain,
in other words certain things you ask for you will receive, and that applies
to believers who has confessed his sins.
The reson i asked where you read that God created the universe is because
i want to know, i can't find it in the Scriptures, so somebody must have
told you that, you can't believe everything you hear, thats why i study the
Scriptures, thats the best thing you can pray for, the understanding of the
Scriptures. God bless
.....The bible is a religious book, over 2000 years old, translated dozens of
times, made up, possibly, from early parchments, the safe keeping and
the accuracy of which taken over a thousand five hundred years would be truly
miraculous.
Printing of books and bibles for general distribution did not
start until six hundred years ago, before that such documents were hand written
by scribes who added or subtracted whatever suited them, either on ethical or
religious grounds or for purely personal gratification, or under pressure from
the warlord of the time who used religion and the fear of it's god, to
subjugate the population in the absence of common law or rule of law. We
humans do that, you know.
Only in the bible do we read about miracles and the bible is used to justify
it's own set of beliefs; therefore quoting from this book in order to justify
what is in it, is totally ridiculous.
It could be said that the bible is not a revelation, but a mental trap
God Bless
bob
Humanist brit
Hong kong
The 'silly bit' at the end is what it is, a silly bit
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| User: "Bill" |
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| Title: Re: Tsunami and God |
30 Dec 2004 06:58:42 PM |
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"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
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CDumont wrote:
"Steve" <kmbs57@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:33hh3dF3sicagU1@individual.net...
"CDumont" <cdumont@telusplanet.net> wrote in message
news:KcLAd.25511$Y72.6701@edtnps91...
"Steve" <kmbs57@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"CDumont" <cdumont@telusplanet.net> wrote in message
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"Bill" <wmech@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:MlIAd.1187825$Gx4.352981@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
The deaths from the Asian Tsunami now top 80,000 men, women and
innocent
children. There are thousands more that are injured. It is
estimated
there
are an additional two million who are homeless and at risk for
serious
health problems from the polluted drinking water.
God supposedly created and controls the Universe, the World and
everything
in it. God is supposedly omniscient & omnipotent and benevolent.
Why did God cause or permit this terrible catastrophe to occur?
--
Bill
Since it is obvious you have not studied the Scriptures,God
created
mankind with a freewill so that they choose there own desteny and
he
will
not interfere with anyones life other then his elect, thats
because on
judgement day no one can claim God interfeared with there life.
so u are telling me that pray cannot work because this would be
interferring
in someones life... right ?
but your bible says ask and it shall be given..... which one is
right
??
For instance if he saves a child and that child grows up to be a
atiest,
then that person will say if you would have let me die when i was
a
child
and innocent, i would have gone to heaven,
for Gods elect they were
already judged and found to be rightous in the first world age, so
God
can
interfere in there lives and they will not die until there mission
is
complete, they are the one with a guardien angel.
I realise with athiest people this flesh life is the most
importent
thing
they own, and to them it probably is since eternel life will not
belong
to
them if they don't repent, but it's your soul that should be the
most
important thing you own.
Who told you that God created and controled the universe and all
those
things? God bless
your god is defined as omnipotent isnt he ? .. knows
everything...is
everywhere....made everything ?
are u telling me god didnt create the universe ?? that he doesnt
control
everything ??
Steve
Did you know that praying means talking to God, everyone should
talk to
God, the main thing you should ask for is forgiveness for your sins,
and
wisdom to understand the Scriptures, and spititual things.
Don't ask for material things, you have to work for those,don't ask
for
good health if you don't follow the food laws, etc.
I did not say God did'nt create the universe, i asked where did you
read
that????where??/ God bless
gee....praying means talking to god (actually it means u *think* you
are
talking to god)..... thank you so much .... until today i did not know
what
that meant
so u are telling me that (assuming you go to a church of some kind)
when
the
guy in charge says lets pray for this person be helped or that problem
get
his atention it is a complete waste of time ? - you only pray to
understand
your confusing book - which leads me to why is it so abstract and
conflicting that u need him to interfer so that u can understand it ?
and who are you to say what u should and should not ask for ? ... it
says
in
your book that ask and you shall receive
John 16:23
Verily, verily, I say unto you, *Whatsoever* ye shall ask the Father
in my
name, he will give [it] you.--
and i think it is the first book of your bable .... but i dont
understand
why u ask this
I do not make the rules on praying, the Scriptures does, first thing
you
have to do is believe that Jesus died on the cross for us sinners,second
thing we have to do is ask for forgiveness for our own sins, because God
does not listen to none believers and sinners, and material things we
have
to work for, we are told however to pray for one another.
The word whatsoever in the Bible is, tis in Greek, and it means
certain,
in other words certain things you ask for you will receive, and that
applies
to believers who has confessed his sins.
The reson i asked where you read that God created the universe is
because
i want to know, i can't find it in the Scriptures, so somebody must have
told you that, you can't believe everything you hear, thats why i study
the
Scriptures, thats the best thing you can pray for, the understanding of
the
Scriptures. God bless
....The bible is a religious book, over 2000 years old, translated dozens
of
times, made up, possibly, from early parchments, the safe keeping and
the accuracy of which taken over a thousand five hundred years would be
truly
miraculous.
Printing of books and bibles for general distribution did not
start until six hundred years ago, before that such documents were hand
written
by scribes who added or subtracted whatever suited them, either on ethical
or
religious grounds or for purely personal gratification, or under pressure
from
the warlord of the time who used religion and the fear of it's god, to
subjugate the population in the absence of common law or rule of law. We
humans do that, you know.
Only in the bible do we read about miracles and the bible is used to
justify
it's own set of beliefs; therefore quoting from this book in order to
justify
what is in it, is totally ridiculous.
It could be said that the bible is not a revelation, but a mental trap
God Bless
Your logic is sound and unassailable but there are those who do not have the
mental capacity to deal with reality and logic. Their worlds are built on
fantasies that make them feel more comfortable than thinking about the
realities and finality of death and no afterlife.
Personally I would fear an after life of eternity more frightening than the
finality of death.
Bill
bob
Humanist brit
Hong kong
The 'silly bit' at the end is what it is, a silly bit
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Tsunami and God |
30 Dec 2004 02:12:49 PM |
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On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 08:05:46 GMT, "CDumont" <cdumont@telusplanet.net>
said in alt.atheism:
I do not make the rules on praying, the Scriptures does, first thing you
have to do is believe that Jesus died on the cross for us sinners,second
thing we have to do is ask for forgiveness for our own sins
Why would an omniscient god have to be asked for forgiveness? Doesn't
he already know whether he's going to forgive you or not?
because God does not listen to none believers and sinners
Then why does Christianity reach out to sinners? Isn't that going
against the will of your god?
we are told however to pray for one another.
Which would be ridiculous if you believe in an omniscient creator of
the universe.
The word whatsoever in the Bible is, tis in Greek, and it means certain
Not even close. Who told you this lie?
The reson i asked where you read that God created the universe is because
i want to know, i can't find it in the Scriptures
Try Gen 1:1.
so somebody must have told you that, you can't believe everything you hear, thats why i study the
Scriptures
You think it's better to study words some people wrote than to study
some words someone said? What's the difference?
thats the best thing you can pray for, the understanding of the Scriptures.
So you're saying that if your god made you NOT understanding the bible
you should ask him to change you? That he was wrong? An omniscient,
omnipotent incorrect god?
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| User: "Levy Oates" |
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30 Dec 2004 09:11:38 AM |
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On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 08:05:46 GMT, "CDumont" <cdumont@telusplanet.net> wrote:
I do not make the rules on praying, the Scriptures does, first thing you
have to do is believe that Jesus died on the cross for us sinners
Speak for yourself, I'm no bloody sinner. Personally I'm perfect!
The word whatsoever in the Bible is, tis in Greek, and it means certain,
in other words certain things you ask for you will receive,
Certain sins is you ask what not for in whatsoever. And certain is bible Aramaic
so Greek!
The reson i asked where you read that God created the universe is because
i want to know, i can't find it in the Scriptures,
Er...page 1, line 1, if memory serves: In the beginning God created the heavens
and the earth...
---------
Archdeacon Levy Oates
On behalf of the Prophet Eric Peabody (pbuh)
Basingstoke, England
http://www.angelfire.com/alt/bumblism/
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| User: "bob young" |
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| Title: Re: Tsunami and God |
30 Dec 2004 04:13:03 AM |
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Steve wrote:
"CDumont" <cdumont@telusplanet.net> wrote in message
news:KcLAd.25511$Y72.6701@edtnps91...
"Steve" <kmbs57@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:33h77jF3vutanU1@individual.net...
"CDumont" <cdumont@telusplanet.net> wrote in message
news:rRIAd.17766$nN6.12943@edtnps84...
"Bill" <wmech@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:MlIAd.1187825$Gx4.352981@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
The deaths from the Asian Tsunami now top 80,000 men, women and
innocent
children. There are thousands more that are injured. It is estimated
there
are an additional two million who are homeless and at risk for
serious
health problems from the polluted drinking water.
God supposedly created and controls the Universe, the World and
everything
in it. God is supposedly omniscient & omnipotent and benevolent.
Why did God cause or permit this terrible catastrophe to occur?
--
Bill
Since it is obvious you have not studied the Scriptures,God created
mankind with a freewill so that they choose there own desteny and he
will
not interfere with anyones life other then his elect, thats because on
judgement day no one can claim God interfeared with there life.
so u are telling me that pray cannot work because this would be
interferring
in someones life... right ?
but your bible says ask and it shall be given..... which one is right
??
For instance if he saves a child and that child grows up to be a
atiest,
then that person will say if you would have let me die when i was a
child
and innocent, i would have gone to heaven,
for Gods elect they were
already judged and found to be rightous in the first world age, so God
can
interfere in there lives and they will not die until there mission is
complete, they are the one with a guardien angel.
I realise with athiest people this flesh life is the most importent
thing
they own, and to them it probably is since eternel life will not belong
to
them if they don't repent, but it's your soul that should be the most
important thing you own.
Who told you that God created and controled the universe and all
those
things? God bless
your god is defined as omnipotent isnt he ? .. knows everything...is
everywhere....made everything ?
are u telling me god didnt create the universe ?? that he doesnt control
everything ??
Steve
Did you know that praying means talking to God, everyone should talk to
God, the main thing you should ask for is forgiveness for your sins, and
wisdom to understand the Scriptures, and spititual things.
Don't ask for material things, you have to work for those,don't ask for
good health if you don't follow the food laws, etc.
I did not say God did'nt create the universe, i asked where did you read
that????where??/ God bless
gee....praying means talking to god (actually it means u *think* you are
talking to god)..... thank you so much .... until today i did not know what
that meant
so u are telling me that (assuming you go to a church of some kind) when the
guy in charge says lets pray for this person be helped or that problem get
his atention it is a complete waste of time ? - you only pray to understand
your confusing book - which leads me to why is it so abstract and
conflicting that u need him to interfer so that u can understand it ?
and who are you to say what u should and should not ask for ? ... it says in
your book that ask and you shall receive
John 16:23
Verily, verily, I say unto you, *Whatsoever* ye shall ask the Father in my
name, he will give [it] you.--
That's what the primitive scribes wanted so that's what they wrote.
and i think it is the first book of your bable .... but i dont understand
why u ask this.
Steve
Steve
Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht
oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is taht the frist
and lsat ltteer be at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a total mses and you
can sitll raed it wouthit porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not
raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe.
Fcuknig amzanig huh?
Only the Chinese recognise their characters faster, and they look prettier!
Bob
Humanist Brit
Hong Kong
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| User: "bob young" |
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| Title: Re: Tsunami and God |
30 Dec 2004 04:10:27 AM |
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CDumont wrote:
"Steve" <kmbs57@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:33h77jF3vutanU1@individual.net...
"CDumont" <cdumont@telusplanet.net> wrote in message
news:rRIAd.17766$nN6.12943@edtnps84...
"Bill" <wmech@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:MlIAd.1187825$Gx4.352981@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
The deaths from the Asian Tsunami now top 80,000 men, women and
innocent
children. There are thousands more that are injured. It is estimated
there
are an additional two million who are homeless and at risk for serious
health problems from the polluted drinking water.
God supposedly created and controls the Universe, the World and
everything
in it. God is supposedly omniscient & omnipotent and benevolent.
Why did God cause or permit this terrible catastrophe to occur?
--
Bill
Since it is obvious you have not studied the Scriptures,God created
mankind with a freewill so that they choose there own desteny and he will
not interfere with anyones life other then his elect, thats because on
judgement day no one can claim God interfeared with there life.
so u are telling me that pray cannot work because this would be
interferring
in someones life... right ?
but your bible says ask and it shall be given..... which one is right ??
For instance if he saves a child and that child grows up to be a
atiest,
then that person will say if you would have let me die when i was a child
and innocent, i would have gone to heaven,
for Gods elect they were
already judged and found to be rightous in the first world age, so God
can
interfere in there lives and they will not die until there mission is
complete, they are the one with a guardien angel.
I realise with athiest people this flesh life is the most importent
thing
they own, and to them it probably is since eternel life will not belong
to
them if they don't repent, but it's your soul that should be the most
important thing you own.
Who told you that God created and controled the universe and all those
things? God bless
your god is defined as omnipotent isnt he ? .. knows everything...is
everywhere....made everything ?
are u telling me god didnt create the universe ?? that he doesnt control
everything ??
Steve
Did you know that praying means talking to God, everyone should talk to
God, the main thing you should ask for is forgiveness for your sins, and
wisdom to understand the Scriptures, and spititual things.
Don't ask for material things, you have to work for those,don't ask for
good health if you don't follow the food laws, etc.
That's right, pray for intangible things, anything provable don't pray for, it
might reveal something.
Were you borne yesterday, or do you think we were?
I did not say God did'nt create the universe, i asked where did you read
that????where??/ God bless
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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| Title: Re: Tsunami and God |
29 Dec 2004 10:23:02 PM |
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On 29 Dec 2004, CDumont dropped trou, farted, whirled, then shouted:
"Bill" <wmech@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:MlIAd.1187825$Gx4.352981@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
The deaths from the Asian Tsunami now top 80,000 men, women and
innocent children. There are thousands more that are injured. It is
estimated there are an additional two million who are homeless and at
risk for serious health problems from the polluted drinking water.
God supposedly created and controls the Universe, the World and
everything in it. God is supposedly omniscient & omnipotent and
benevolent.
Why did God cause or permit this terrible catastrophe to occur?
--
Bill
Since it is obvious you have not studied the Scriptures,God created
mankind with a freewill so that they choose there own desteny and he
will not interfere with anyones life other then his elect, thats
because on judgement day no one can claim God interfeared with there
life.
Ah, so it is the dead people's faults they are dead? You poor, sick
puppy. What you don't seem to understand here is that being in the path
of righteousness did not matter. Being in the path of the tsunami did.
For instance if he saves a child and that child grows up to be a
atiest,
then that person will say if you would have let me die when i was a
child and innocent, i would have gone to heaven, as for Gods elect
they were already judged and found to be rightous in the first world
age, so God can interfere in there lives and they will not die until
there mission is complete, they are the one with a guardien angel.
Gods? Heaven? Angels? Judgement Day? Have you ever considered the
probability that what you just said is parroted ***** and that there
is no afterlife? Have you found objective observable evidence for
afterlife, or are you just repeating what you've been told? Think about
it before replying.
I realise with athiest people this flesh life is the most importent
thing
they own, and to them it probably is since eternel life will not
belong to them if they don't repent, but it's your soul that should be
the most important thing you own.
That's only partially true. This "flesh life" is the only life we have
evidence for. The rest is just wishful thinking you've been brainwashed
into believing is true. Before any rational person can consider the
concepts of eternal life, gods and souls, he must be presented with
objective evidence for these claims. Did you ask for evidence, or did
you just accept what you'd been told and bask in a dreamland of glory
while they steal your mind, your life and your money?
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
--------
Hebrews 11:1
Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not
seen.
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| User: "bob young" |
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30 Dec 2004 04:24:19 AM |
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Vic Sagerquist wrote:
On 29 Dec 2004, CDumont dropped trou, farted, whirled, then shouted:
"Bill" <wmech@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:MlIAd.1187825$Gx4.352981@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
The deaths from the Asian Tsunami now top 80,000 men, women and
innocent children. There are thousands more that are injured. It is
estimated there are an additional two million who are homeless and at
risk for serious health problems from the polluted drinking water.
God supposedly created and controls the Universe, the World and
everything in it. God is supposedly omniscient & omnipotent and
benevolent.
Why did God cause or permit this terrible catastrophe to occur?
--
Bill
Since it is obvious you have not studied the Scriptures,God created
mankind with a freewill so that they choose there own desteny and he
will not interfere with anyones life other then his elect, thats
because on judgement day no one can claim God interfeared with there
life.
Ah, so it is the dead people's faults they are dead? You poor, sick
puppy. What you don't seem to understand here is that being in the path
of righteousness did not matter. Being in the path of the tsunami did.
For instance if he saves a child and that child grows up to be a
atiest,
then that person will say if you would have let me die when i was a
child and innocent, i would have gone to heaven, as for Gods elect
they were already judged and found to be rightous in the first world
age, so God can interfere in there lives and they will not die until
there mission is complete, they are the one with a guardien angel.
Gods? Heaven? Angels? Judgement Day? Have you ever considered the
probability that what you just said is parroted ***** and that there
is no afterlife? Have you found objective observable evidence for
afterlife, or are you just repeating what you've been told? Think about
it before replying.
I realise with athiest people this flesh life is the most importent
thing
they own, and to them it probably is since eternel life will not
belong to them if they don't repent, but it's your soul that should be
the most important thing you own.
That's only partially true. This "flesh life" is the only life we have
evidence for. The rest is just wishful thinking you've been brainwashed
into believing is true. Before any rational person can consider the
concepts of eternal life, gods and souls, he must be presented with
objective evidence for these claims. Did you ask for evidence, or did
you just accept what you'd been told and bask in a dreamland of glory
while they steal your mind, your life and your money?
If he had been around three thousand years ago it would have been OK with
him to sacrifice children.
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Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
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Hebrews 11:1
Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not
seen.
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| User: "Les Hellawell" |
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| Title: Re: Tsunami and God |
30 Dec 2004 05:46:57 AM |
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On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 01:28:55 GMT, "CDumont" <cdumont@telusplanet.net>
wrote:
Who told you that God created and controled the universe and all those
things?
Those who tell us that there must be a creator and that creator is
'god' They do seem very certain of this and they waste no time
in coming forward to this newsgroup to let us know
We are told the Bible is "THE word of god. Thus in the first chapter
of its book he tells us that he created the heaven and the earth.
Again they do seem very certain of this and constantly tell us
Now you seem to be implying it was absolutely nothing whatsover
to do with your god in the first place. That's a new angle anyway.
God bless
The far east?
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Les Hellawell
greetings from
YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County
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| User: "MrPepper11" |
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| Title: Re: Tsunami and God |
30 Dec 2004 10:48:35 AM |
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Because he could!!!
'Tsunami is not God's vengeance for seer's arrest'
Indo-Asian News Service
New York, December 28
A Michigan-based Hindu group has condemned labelling Sunday's tsunami
tragedy a "vengeful act of God" and asked the global Hindu community to
contribute generously to assist victims of the catastrophe.
The group, Navya Shastra, in a statement condemned organisations in
India that described the tsunami as "divine retribution" for the arrest
of the Kanchi Shankracharya on murder and other charges.
"Hindus should not ascribe the disaster to divine retribution", the
statement quoted Rajarathina Bhattar, Navya Shastra advisor and a
Houston priest, as saying....
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"Technically a tsunami is an act of God but hopefully insurers will
look at the situation sympathetically." - Ian Reynolds, Association of
British Travel Agents.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Tsunami and God |
29 Dec 2004 07:28:48 PM |
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Bill wrote:
The deaths from the Asian Tsunami now top 80,000 men, women and
innocent
children. There are thousands more that are injured. It is estimated
there
are an additional two million who are homeless and at risk for
serious
health problems from the polluted drinking water.
God supposedly created and controls the Universe, the World and
everything
in it. God is supposedly omniscient & omnipotent and benevolent.
Why did God cause or permit this terrible catastrophe to occur?
In the interest of full disclosure I should tell you I am a Christian,
so you might not be all that interested in my bible thumping:-) I
cannot say why God allows such suffering. But suppose the reason he
does is that it turns out to be the optimal way to bring it about that
everyone eventually freely accepts Christ and is saved (i.e. they get
to spend eternity with God in heaven). Suppose that's why he allowed
the event to occur: do you think *that* would be a good enough reason?
keith
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Bill
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| User: "Dale" |
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29 Dec 2004 08:33:29 PM |
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<keithj43@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1104370128.257630.268080@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
Bill wrote:
[...]
Why did God cause or permit this terrible catastrophe to occur?
In the interest of full disclosure I should tell you I am a Christian,
so you might not be all that interested in my bible thumping:-) I
cannot say why God allows such suffering. But suppose the reason he
does is that it turns out to be the optimal way to bring it about that
everyone eventually freely accepts Christ and is saved (i.e. they get
to spend eternity with God in heaven). Suppose that's why he allowed
the event to occur: do you think *that* would be a good enough reason?
In this scenario, belief is not based so much on God as it is on an
Afterlife with Heaven and Hell. So for people who are alive, there's no
difference between God existing or not existing.
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| User: "bob young" |
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| Title: Re: Tsunami and God |
30 Dec 2004 04:18:38 AM |
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Dale wrote:
<keithj43@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1104370128.257630.268080@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
Bill wrote:
[...]
Why did God cause or permit this terrible catastrophe to occur?
In the interest of full disclosure I should tell you I am a Christian,
so you might not be all that interested in my bible thumping:-) I
cannot say why God allows such suffering. But suppose the reason he
does is that it turns out to be the optimal way to bring it about that
everyone eventually freely accepts Christ and is saved (i.e. they get
to spend eternity with God in heaven). Suppose that's why he allowed
the event to occur: do you think *that* would be a good enough reason?
Do you, you brain dead idiot!
Over 30,000 dead children and thousands more without parents.
In this scenario, belief is not based so much on God as it is on an
Afterlife with Heaven and Hell. So for people who are alive, there's no
difference between God existing or not existing.
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