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"johac" |
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21 Sep 2004 01:36:26 AM |
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Tucson RCC goes bankrupt. |
http://tinyurl.com/58mav
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Catholic Diocese of Tucson Files for Bankruptcy
Mon Sep 20, 4:27 PM ET
By David Schwartz
PHOENIX (Reuters) - The Roman Catholic Diocese of Tucson, faced with
possible multimillion-dollar legal verdicts from sex abuse cases
against its clergy, filed for bankruptcy protection on Monday, a
church official said.
Bankruptcy was the best option, Tucson Bishop Gerald Kicanas said,
as church attorneys filed for Chapter 11 reorganization in U.S.
Bankruptcy Court in Tucson, Arizona.
The filing by the 350,000-member institution follows a July bankruptcy
declaration by the Archdiocese of Portland. Critics have challenged
the Chapter 11 filings as a ploy by the church to hide assets and
avoid liability for decades of abuse by priests.
Kicanas said in a letter released on Monday that the decision offers
the church "the best opportunity for healing and for the just and fair
compensation of those who suffered sexual abuse by workers for the
Church in our Diocese."
The bishop said the bankruptcy would enable the diocese and its 75
parishes to continue its work in the face of the lawsuits that could
be financially devastating in the future.
But Lynne Cadigan, a Tucson attorney who is helping represent most of
the plaintiffs suing the diocese, called the bankruptcy filing "a
public relations ploy" used to court sympathy and not justly settle
claims.
"For 30 years they were running a criminal conspiracy of concealing
sex crimes against children," Cadigan said. "Now, instead of being
held accountable, they are hiding behind a corporate policy of
bankruptcy."
The Tucson diocese, which has already paid out roughly $20 million in
legal claims, faces 22 additional lawsuits by victims alleging sex
abuse by Catholic clergy. A lawsuit that goes to trial on Sept. 29 is
believed to have forced the filing.
The decision to seek court-ordered protection had been expected since
June, when Kicanas began publicly discussing the possible bankruptcy
filing. He has maintained the diocese has made a good-faith effort to
try to settle abuse cases, but was unable to reach agreements.
Cadigan won the largest settlements paid by the Tucson diocese, a
reported $14 million, reached with 10 men and their families for abuse
by priests over three decades. Church officials have said it was
forced to sell its Tucson headquarters to cover a financial obligation
generated by the large settlement.
Churches across the United States have sold property to help stave off
bankruptcy, including Boston's archdiocese, which sold $100 million in
land and buildings to pay for settlements to hundreds of abuse
victims.
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http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=578&ncid=578&e=10&u=/nm
/20040920/ts_nm/religion_tucson_dc
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John Hachmann aa #1782
-The ability to change one's mind, ideas, and opinions when confronted with
new facts is the sign of the rational and intelligent. The inability to do
so is the hallmark of the dimwitted and the fanatic. This applies not only
to science and philosophy, but also to politics.-
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: Tucson RCC goes bankrupt. |
21 Sep 2004 03:46:39 AM |
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On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 23:36:26 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/58mav
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Catholic Diocese of Tucson Files for Bankruptcy
Mon Sep 20, 4:27 PM ET
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What a pathetic "out"!
Why shouldn't it's head branch in Vatican City be forced to sell off a
tiny few of it's fabulous treasures to pay the debt?
Any other corporation would be forced to.
Bankruptcy protection should only be granted to those entities who pay
taxes, in any case.
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Tucson RCC goes bankrupt. |
22 Sep 2004 12:43:56 AM |
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In article <0eqvk0h7olnj7avrmm13riqdik67jn5ejp@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote:
On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 23:36:26 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/58mav
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Catholic Diocese of Tucson Files for Bankruptcy
Mon Sep 20, 4:27 PM ET
:
What a pathetic "out"!
Why shouldn't it's head branch in Vatican City be forced to sell off a
tiny few of it's fabulous treasures to pay the debt?
Any other corporation would be forced to.
Bankruptcy protection should only be granted to those entities who pay
taxes, in any case.
Given the fact that they avail themselves of government services such
as police and fire protection yet pay no income or property taxes.
Owning up to their legal obligations is the least that they could do.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
-The ability to change one's mind, ideas, and opinions when confronted with
new facts is the sign of the rational and intelligent. The inability to do
so is the hallmark of the dimwitted and the fanatic. This applies not only
to science and philosophy, but also to politics.-
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: Tucson RCC goes bankrupt. |
22 Sep 2004 04:40:41 AM |
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On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 22:43:56 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
In article <0eqvk0h7olnj7avrmm13riqdik67jn5ejp@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote:
On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 23:36:26 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/58mav
---
Catholic Diocese of Tucson Files for Bankruptcy
Mon Sep 20, 4:27 PM ET
:
What a pathetic "out"!
Why shouldn't it's head branch in Vatican City be forced to sell off a
tiny few of it's fabulous treasures to pay the debt?
Any other corporation would be forced to.
Bankruptcy protection should only be granted to those entities who pay
taxes, in any case.
Given the fact that they avail themselves of government services such
as police and fire protection yet pay no income or property taxes.
Owning up to their legal obligations is the least that they could do.
"the least that they could do"
A quantity that the Catholic Church specialises in...
Yeah, I've always wondered why fire brigades are even called to church
fires.
Surely it's god's will that the church burn down?
Hell, if it was started by lightning, who could argue?
To put it out would be a sin!
Now where'd I put that old cloud making machine....
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Tucson RCC goes bankrupt. |
24 Sep 2004 12:52:51 AM |
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In article <iuh2l0h6cv2n4ge0qmj4e21g8epk8lnpt7@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote:
On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 22:43:56 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
In article <0eqvk0h7olnj7avrmm13riqdik67jn5ejp@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote:
On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 23:36:26 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/58mav
---
Catholic Diocese of Tucson Files for Bankruptcy
Mon Sep 20, 4:27 PM ET
:
What a pathetic "out"!
Why shouldn't it's head branch in Vatican City be forced to sell off a
tiny few of it's fabulous treasures to pay the debt?
Any other corporation would be forced to.
Bankruptcy protection should only be granted to those entities who pay
taxes, in any case.
Given the fact that they avail themselves of government services such
as police and fire protection yet pay no income or property taxes.
Owning up to their legal obligations is the least that they could do.
"the least that they could do"
A quantity that the Catholic Church specialises in...
Yeah, I've always wondered why fire brigades are even called to church
fires.
Surely it's god's will that the church burn down?
Hell, if it was started by lightning, who could argue?
To put it out would be a sin!
Now where'd I put that old cloud making machine....
I saw in a recent documentary about Ben Franklin that after he
invented the lightning rod, the theists were actually debating whether
they should be put on churches since lightning came from god it would
be sinful to try to defy 'gods will'.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
-The ability to change one's mind, ideas, and opinions when confronted with
new facts is the sign of the rational and intelligent. The inability to do
so is the hallmark of the dimwitted and the fanatic. This applies not only
to science and philosophy, but also to politics.-
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Tucson RCC goes bankrupt. |
24 Sep 2004 07:07:01 PM |
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On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 22:52:51 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
In article <iuh2l0h6cv2n4ge0qmj4e21g8epk8lnpt7@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote:
On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 22:43:56 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
In article <0eqvk0h7olnj7avrmm13riqdik67jn5ejp@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote:
On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 23:36:26 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/58mav
---
Catholic Diocese of Tucson Files for Bankruptcy
Mon Sep 20, 4:27 PM ET
:
What a pathetic "out"!
Why shouldn't it's head branch in Vatican City be forced to sell off a
tiny few of it's fabulous treasures to pay the debt?
Any other corporation would be forced to.
Bankruptcy protection should only be granted to those entities who pay
taxes, in any case.
Given the fact that they avail themselves of government services such
as police and fire protection yet pay no income or property taxes.
Owning up to their legal obligations is the least that they could do.
"the least that they could do"
A quantity that the Catholic Church specialises in...
Yeah, I've always wondered why fire brigades are even called to church
fires.
Surely it's god's will that the church burn down?
Hell, if it was started by lightning, who could argue?
To put it out would be a sin!
Now where'd I put that old cloud making machine....
I saw in a recent documentary about Ben Franklin that after he
invented the lightning rod, the theists were actually debating whether
they should be put on churches since lightning came from god it would
be sinful to try to defy 'gods will'.
Yep. It was quite the controversey.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Tucson RCC goes bankrupt. |
22 Sep 2004 10:28:02 PM |
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On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 19:10:41 +0930, Michael Gray
<fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote:
On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 22:43:56 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
In article <0eqvk0h7olnj7avrmm13riqdik67jn5ejp@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote:
On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 23:36:26 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/58mav
---
Catholic Diocese of Tucson Files for Bankruptcy
Mon Sep 20, 4:27 PM ET
:
What a pathetic "out"!
Why shouldn't it's head branch in Vatican City be forced to sell off a
tiny few of it's fabulous treasures to pay the debt?
Any other corporation would be forced to.
Bankruptcy protection should only be granted to those entities who pay
taxes, in any case.
Given the fact that they avail themselves of government services such
as police and fire protection yet pay no income or property taxes.
Owning up to their legal obligations is the least that they could do.
"the least that they could do"
A quantity that the Catholic Church specialises in...
Yeah, I've always wondered why fire brigades are even called to church
fires.
Surely it's god's will that the church burn down?
Hell, if it was started by lightning, who could argue?
To put it out would be a sin!
Now where'd I put that old cloud making machine....
/cue rain dance.
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Tucson RCC goes bankrupt. |
24 Sep 2004 12:55:00 AM |
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In article <nlg4l0p3s3j6fah084naus5apsc5foonua@4ax.com>,
wrote:
On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 19:10:41 +0930, Michael Gray
<fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote:
On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 22:43:56 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
In article <0eqvk0h7olnj7avrmm13riqdik67jn5ejp@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote:
On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 23:36:26 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/58mav
---
Catholic Diocese of Tucson Files for Bankruptcy
Mon Sep 20, 4:27 PM ET
:
What a pathetic "out"!
Why shouldn't it's head branch in Vatican City be forced to sell off a
tiny few of it's fabulous treasures to pay the debt?
Any other corporation would be forced to.
Bankruptcy protection should only be granted to those entities who pay
taxes, in any case.
Given the fact that they avail themselves of government services such
as police and fire protection yet pay no income or property taxes.
Owning up to their legal obligations is the least that they could do.
"the least that they could do"
A quantity that the Catholic Church specialises in...
Yeah, I've always wondered why fire brigades are even called to church
fires.
Surely it's god's will that the church burn down?
Hell, if it was started by lightning, who could argue?
To put it out would be a sin!
Now where'd I put that old cloud making machine....
/cue rain dance.
I read some time ago that the Russians used anti-aircraft guns to seed
the clouds with silver iodide crystals. "Commence firing! Fire at
will!"
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
-The ability to change one's mind, ideas, and opinions when confronted with
new facts is the sign of the rational and intelligent. The inability to do
so is the hallmark of the dimwitted and the fanatic. This applies not only
to science and philosophy, but also to politics.-
.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Tucson RCC goes bankrupt. |
24 Sep 2004 07:06:22 PM |
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On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 22:55:00 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
In article <nlg4l0p3s3j6fah084naus5apsc5foonua@4ax.com>,
stoney@the.net wrote:
On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 19:10:41 +0930, Michael Gray
<fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote:
On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 22:43:56 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
In article <0eqvk0h7olnj7avrmm13riqdik67jn5ejp@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote:
On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 23:36:26 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/58mav
---
Catholic Diocese of Tucson Files for Bankruptcy
Mon Sep 20, 4:27 PM ET
:
What a pathetic "out"!
Why shouldn't it's head branch in Vatican City be forced to sell off a
tiny few of it's fabulous treasures to pay the debt?
Any other corporation would be forced to.
Bankruptcy protection should only be granted to those entities who pay
taxes, in any case.
Given the fact that they avail themselves of government services such
as police and fire protection yet pay no income or property taxes.
Owning up to their legal obligations is the least that they could do.
"the least that they could do"
A quantity that the Catholic Church specialises in...
Yeah, I've always wondered why fire brigades are even called to church
fires.
Surely it's god's will that the church burn down?
Hell, if it was started by lightning, who could argue?
To put it out would be a sin!
Now where'd I put that old cloud making machine....
/cue rain dance.
I read some time ago that the Russians used anti-aircraft guns to seed
the clouds with silver iodide crystals. "Commence firing! Fire at
will!"
And Will ran his arse off
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Tucson RCC goes bankrupt. |
25 Sep 2004 01:42:15 AM |
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In article <gjd9l01q9b6q689gnj310tf1qsgv0p1f6c@4ax.com>,
wrote:
On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 22:55:00 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
In article <nlg4l0p3s3j6fah084naus5apsc5foonua@4ax.com>,
wrote:
On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 19:10:41 +0930, Michael Gray
<fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote:
On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 22:43:56 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
In article <0eqvk0h7olnj7avrmm13riqdik67jn5ejp@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote:
On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 23:36:26 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/58mav
---
Catholic Diocese of Tucson Files for Bankruptcy
Mon Sep 20, 4:27 PM ET
:
What a pathetic "out"!
Why shouldn't it's head branch in Vatican City be forced to sell off a
tiny few of it's fabulous treasures to pay the debt?
Any other corporation would be forced to.
Bankruptcy protection should only be granted to those entities who pay
taxes, in any case.
Given the fact that they avail themselves of government services such
as police and fire protection yet pay no income or property taxes.
Owning up to their legal obligations is the least that they could do.
"the least that they could do"
A quantity that the Catholic Church specialises in...
Yeah, I've always wondered why fire brigades are even called to church
fires.
Surely it's god's will that the church burn down?
Hell, if it was started by lightning, who could argue?
To put it out would be a sin!
Now where'd I put that old cloud making machine....
/cue rain dance.
I read some time ago that the Russians used anti-aircraft guns to seed
the clouds with silver iodide crystals. "Commence firing! Fire at
will!"
And Will ran his arse off
I never understood tht. why were they always so mad at Will?
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
-The ability to change one's mind, ideas, and opinions when confronted with
new facts is the sign of the rational and intelligent. The inability to do
so is the hallmark of the dimwitted and the fanatic. This applies not only
to science and philosophy, but also to politics.-
.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Tucson RCC goes bankrupt. |
25 Sep 2004 04:22:41 PM |
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On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 23:42:15 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
In article <gjd9l01q9b6q689gnj310tf1qsgv0p1f6c@4ax.com>,
stoney@the.net wrote:
On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 22:55:00 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
In article <nlg4l0p3s3j6fah084naus5apsc5foonua@4ax.com>,
stoney@the.net wrote:
On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 19:10:41 +0930, Michael Gray
<fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote:
On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 22:43:56 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
In article <0eqvk0h7olnj7avrmm13riqdik67jn5ejp@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote:
On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 23:36:26 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/58mav
---
Catholic Diocese of Tucson Files for Bankruptcy
Mon Sep 20, 4:27 PM ET
:
What a pathetic "out"!
Why shouldn't it's head branch in Vatican City be forced to sell off a
tiny few of it's fabulous treasures to pay the debt?
Any other corporation would be forced to.
Bankruptcy protection should only be granted to those entities who pay
taxes, in any case.
Given the fact that they avail themselves of government services such
as police and fire protection yet pay no income or property taxes.
Owning up to their legal obligations is the least that they could do.
"the least that they could do"
A quantity that the Catholic Church specialises in...
Yeah, I've always wondered why fire brigades are even called to church
fires.
Surely it's god's will that the church burn down?
Hell, if it was started by lightning, who could argue?
To put it out would be a sin!
Now where'd I put that old cloud making machine....
/cue rain dance.
I read some time ago that the Russians used anti-aircraft guns to seed
the clouds with silver iodide crystals. "Commence firing! Fire at
will!"
And Will ran his arse off
I never understood tht. why were they always so mad at Will?
errrr......he was always full of Grace?
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| User: "Clayton Sprained His Ankle The Useless Bastard!" |
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| Title: Re: Tucson RCC goes bankrupt. |
25 Sep 2004 05:46:47 PM |
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<stoney@the.net> wrote in message
news:qbobl0hlnjcru6115ufprjtcmq4koa098r@4ax.com...
On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 23:42:15 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
In article <gjd9l01q9b6q689gnj310tf1qsgv0p1f6c@4ax.com>,
stoney@the.net wrote:
On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 22:55:00 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
In article <nlg4l0p3s3j6fah084naus5apsc5foonua@4ax.com>,
stoney@the.net wrote:
On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 19:10:41 +0930, Michael Gray
<fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote:
On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 22:43:56 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
In article <0eqvk0h7olnj7avrmm13riqdik67jn5ejp@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote:
On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 23:36:26 -0700, johac
<jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/58mav
---
Catholic Diocese of Tucson Files for Bankruptcy
Mon Sep 20, 4:27 PM ET
:
What a pathetic "out"!
Why shouldn't it's head branch in Vatican City be forced to sell
off a
tiny few of it's fabulous treasures to pay the debt?
Any other corporation would be forced to.
Bankruptcy protection should only be granted to those entities
who pay
taxes, in any case.
Given the fact that they avail themselves of government services
such
as police and fire protection yet pay no income or property taxes.
Owning up to their legal obligations is the least that they could
do.
"the least that they could do"
A quantity that the Catholic Church specialises in...
Yeah, I've always wondered why fire brigades are even called to
church
fires.
Surely it's god's will that the church burn down?
Hell, if it was started by lightning, who could argue?
To put it out would be a sin!
Now where'd I put that old cloud making machine....
/cue rain dance.
I read some time ago that the Russians used anti-aircraft guns to seed
the clouds with silver iodide crystals. "Commence firing! Fire at
will!"
And Will ran his arse off
I never understood tht. why were they always so mad at Will?
errrr......he was always full of Grace?
I knew a Grace who was always full of willy!
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Tucson RCC goes bankrupt. |
26 Sep 2004 01:33:29 AM |
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In article <4155f54c$0$20580$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>,
"Clayton Sprained His Ankle The Useless *****!"
<cjfat@SPAMBLOCKphonyemail.com> wrote:
<stoney@the.net> wrote in message
news:qbobl0hlnjcru6115ufprjtcmq4koa098r@4ax.com...
On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 23:42:15 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
In article <gjd9l01q9b6q689gnj310tf1qsgv0p1f6c@4ax.com>,
stoney@the.net wrote:
On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 22:55:00 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
In article <nlg4l0p3s3j6fah084naus5apsc5foonua@4ax.com>,
stoney@the.net wrote:
On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 19:10:41 +0930, Michael Gray
<fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote:
On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 22:43:56 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
In article <0eqvk0h7olnj7avrmm13riqdik67jn5ejp@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote:
On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 23:36:26 -0700, johac
<jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/58mav
---
Catholic Diocese of Tucson Files for Bankruptcy
Mon Sep 20, 4:27 PM ET
:
What a pathetic "out"!
Why shouldn't it's head branch in Vatican City be forced to sell
off a
tiny few of it's fabulous treasures to pay the debt?
Any other corporation would be forced to.
Bankruptcy protection should only be granted to those entities
who pay
taxes, in any case.
Given the fact that they avail themselves of government services
such
as police and fire protection yet pay no income or property taxes.
Owning up to their legal obligations is the least that they could
do.
"the least that they could do"
A quantity that the Catholic Church specialises in...
Yeah, I've always wondered why fire brigades are even called to
church
fires.
Surely it's god's will that the church burn down?
Hell, if it was started by lightning, who could argue?
To put it out would be a sin!
Now where'd I put that old cloud making machine....
/cue rain dance.
I read some time ago that the Russians used anti-aircraft guns to seed
the clouds with silver iodide crystals. "Commence firing! Fire at
will!"
And Will ran his arse off
I never understood tht. why were they always so mad at Will?
errrr......he was always full of Grace?
I knew a Grace who was always full of willy!
LOL! If it were Will's willy, that would explain why they were so mad
at him.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
-The ability to change one's mind, ideas, and opinions when confronted with
new facts is the sign of the rational and intelligent. The inability to do
so is the hallmark of the dimwitted and the fanatic. This applies not only
to science and philosophy, but also to politics.-
.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Tucson RCC goes bankrupt. |
26 Sep 2004 07:33:43 PM |
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On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 23:33:29 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
In article <4155f54c$0$20580$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>,
"Clayton Sprained His Ankle The Useless *****!"
<cjfat@SPAMBLOCKphonyemail.com> wrote:
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On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 23:42:15 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
In article <gjd9l01q9b6q689gnj310tf1qsgv0p1f6c@4ax.com>,
stoney@the.net wrote:
On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 22:55:00 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
In article <nlg4l0p3s3j6fah084naus5apsc5foonua@4ax.com>,
stoney@the.net wrote:
On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 19:10:41 +0930, Michael Gray
<fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote:
On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 22:43:56 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
In article <0eqvk0h7olnj7avrmm13riqdik67jn5ejp@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote:
On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 23:36:26 -0700, johac
<jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/58mav
---
Catholic Diocese of Tucson Files for Bankruptcy
Mon Sep 20, 4:27 PM ET
:
What a pathetic "out"!
Why shouldn't it's head branch in Vatican City be forced to sell
off a
tiny few of it's fabulous treasures to pay the debt?
Any other corporation would be forced to.
Bankruptcy protection should only be granted to those entities
who pay
taxes, in any case.
Given the fact that they avail themselves of government services
such
as police and fire protection yet pay no income or property taxes.
Owning up to their legal obligations is the least that they could
do.
"the least that they could do"
A quantity that the Catholic Church specialises in...
Yeah, I've always wondered why fire brigades are even called to
church
fires.
Surely it's god's will that the church burn down?
Hell, if it was started by lightning, who could argue?
To put it out would be a sin!
Now where'd I put that old cloud making machine....
/cue rain dance.
I read some time ago that the Russians used anti-aircraft guns to seed
the clouds with silver iodide crystals. "Commence firing! Fire at
will!"
And Will ran his arse off
I never understood tht. why were they always so mad at Will?
errrr......he was always full of Grace?
I knew a Grace who was always full of willy!
LOL! If it were Will's willy, that would explain why they were so mad
at him.
And then they sent him the bill......
.
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26 Sep 2004 11:18:01 PM |
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In article <gunel0phscpfmm38cgepmvu2anrm9b6qr7@4ax.com>,
wrote:
On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 23:33:29 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
In article <4155f54c$0$20580$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>,
"Clayton Sprained His Ankle The Useless *****!"
<cjfat@SPAMBLOCKphonyemail.com> wrote:
< > wrote in message
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On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 23:42:15 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
In article <gjd9l01q9b6q689gnj310tf1qsgv0p1f6c@4ax.com>,
wrote:
On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 22:55:00 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
In article <nlg4l0p3s3j6fah084naus5apsc5foonua@4ax.com>,
wrote:
On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 19:10:41 +0930, Michael Gray
<fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote:
On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 22:43:56 -0700, johac
<jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
In article <0eqvk0h7olnj7avrmm13riqdik67jn5ejp@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote:
On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 23:36:26 -0700, johac
<jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/58mav
---
Catholic Diocese of Tucson Files for Bankruptcy
Mon Sep 20, 4:27 PM ET
:
What a pathetic "out"!
Why shouldn't it's head branch in Vatican City be forced to
sell
off a
tiny few of it's fabulous treasures to pay the debt?
Any other corporation would be forced to.
Bankruptcy protection should only be granted to those entities
who pay
taxes, in any case.
Given the fact that they avail themselves of government services
such
as police and fire protection yet pay no income or property
taxes.
Owning up to their legal obligations is the least that they
could
do.
"the least that they could do"
A quantity that the Catholic Church specialises in...
Yeah, I've always wondered why fire brigades are even called to
church
fires.
Surely it's god's will that the church burn down?
Hell, if it was started by lightning, who could argue?
To put it out would be a sin!
Now where'd I put that old cloud making machine....
/cue rain dance.
I read some time ago that the Russians used anti-aircraft guns to
seed
the clouds with silver iodide crystals. "Commence firing! Fire at
will!"
And Will ran his arse off
I never understood tht. why were they always so mad at Will?
errrr......he was always full of Grace?
I knew a Grace who was always full of willy!
LOL! If it were Will's willy, that would explain why they were so mad
at him.
And then they sent him the bill......
Who sent Will the biil, Bill?
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
-The ability to change one's mind, ideas, and opinions when confronted with
new facts is the sign of the rational and intelligent. The inability to do
so is the hallmark of the dimwitted and the fanatic. This applies not only
to science and philosophy, but also to politics.-
.
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| Title: Re: Tucson RCC goes bankrupt. |
27 Sep 2004 05:35:10 PM |
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On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 21:18:01 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
In article <gunel0phscpfmm38cgepmvu2anrm9b6qr7@4ax.com>,
stoney@the.net wrote:
On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 23:33:29 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
In article <4155f54c$0$20580$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>,
"Clayton Sprained His Ankle The Useless *****!"
<cjfat@SPAMBLOCKphonyemail.com> wrote:
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On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 23:42:15 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
In article <gjd9l01q9b6q689gnj310tf1qsgv0p1f6c@4ax.com>,
stoney@the.net wrote:
On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 22:55:00 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
In article <nlg4l0p3s3j6fah084naus5apsc5foonua@4ax.com>,
stoney@the.net wrote:
On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 19:10:41 +0930, Michael Gray
<fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote:
On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 22:43:56 -0700, johac
<jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
In article <0eqvk0h7olnj7avrmm13riqdik67jn5ejp@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote:
On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 23:36:26 -0700, johac
<jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/58mav
---
Catholic Diocese of Tucson Files for Bankruptcy
Mon Sep 20, 4:27 PM ET
:
What a pathetic "out"!
Why shouldn't it's head branch in Vatican City be forced to
sell
off a
tiny few of it's fabulous treasures to pay the debt?
Any other corporation would be forced to.
Bankruptcy protection should only be granted to those entities
who pay
taxes, in any case.
Given the fact that they avail themselves of government services
such
as police and fire protection yet pay no income or property
taxes.
Owning up to their legal obligations is the least that they
could
do.
"the least that they could do"
A quantity that the Catholic Church specialises in...
Yeah, I've always wondered why fire brigades are even called to
church
fires.
Surely it's god's will that the church burn down?
Hell, if it was started by lightning, who could argue?
To put it out would be a sin!
Now where'd I put that old cloud making machine....
/cue rain dance.
I read some time ago that the Russians used anti-aircraft guns to
seed
the clouds with silver iodide crystals. "Commence firing! Fire at
will!"
And Will ran his arse off
I never understood tht. why were they always so mad at Will?
errrr......he was always full of Grace?
I knew a Grace who was always full of willy!
LOL! If it were Will's willy, that would explain why they were so mad
at him.
And then they sent him the bill......
Who sent Will the biil, Bill?
Blueberry Hill.....
.
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Tucson RCC goes bankrupt. |
29 Sep 2004 12:07:02 AM |
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In article <gc5hl0t05gtv5kmvr022g8iga9dhmqk912@4ax.com>,
wrote:
On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 21:18:01 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
In article <gunel0phscpfmm38cgepmvu2anrm9b6qr7@4ax.com>,
wrote:
On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 23:33:29 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
In article <4155f54c$0$20580$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>,
"Clayton Sprained His Ankle The Useless *****!"
<cjfat@SPAMBLOCKphonyemail.com> wrote:
< > wrote in message
news:qbobl0hlnjcru6115ufprjtcmq4koa098r@4ax.com...
On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 23:42:15 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
In article <gjd9l01q9b6q689gnj310tf1qsgv0p1f6c@4ax.com>,
wrote:
On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 22:55:00 -0700, johac
<jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
In article <nlg4l0p3s3j6fah084naus5apsc5foonua@4ax.com>,
wrote:
On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 19:10:41 +0930, Michael Gray
<fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote:
On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 22:43:56 -0700, johac
<jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
In article <0eqvk0h7olnj7avrmm13riqdik67jn5ejp@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote:
On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 23:36:26 -0700, johac
<jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/58mav
---
Catholic Diocese of Tucson Files for Bankruptcy
Mon Sep 20, 4:27 PM ET
:
What a pathetic "out"!
Why shouldn't it's head branch in Vatican City be forced to
sell
off a
tiny few of it's fabulous treasures to pay the debt?
Any other corporation would be forced to.
Bankruptcy protection should only be granted to those
entities
who pay
taxes, in any case.
Given the fact that they avail themselves of government
services
such
as police and fire protection yet pay no income or property
taxes.
Owning up to their legal obligations is the least that they
could
do.
"the least that they could do"
A quantity that the Catholic Church specialises in...
Yeah, I've always wondered why fire brigades are even called
to
church
fires.
Surely it's god's will that the church burn down?
Hell, if it was started by lightning, who could argue?
To put it out would be a sin!
Now where'd I put that old cloud making machine....
/cue rain dance.
I read some time ago that the Russians used anti-aircraft guns to
seed
the clouds with silver iodide crystals. "Commence firing! Fire at
will!"
And Will ran his arse off
I never understood tht. why were they always so mad at Will?
errrr......he was always full of Grace?
I knew a Grace who was always full of willy!
LOL! If it were Will's willy, that would explain why they were so mad
at him.
And then they sent him the bill......
Who sent Will the biil, Bill?
Blueberry Hill.....
On which I found my thrill...
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
-The ability to change one's mind, ideas, and opinions when confronted with
new facts is the sign of the rational and intelligent. The inability to do
so is the hallmark of the dimwitted and the fanatic. This applies not only
to science and philosophy, but also to politics.-
.
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| Title: Re: Tucson RCC goes bankrupt. |
29 Sep 2004 04:58:34 PM |
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On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 22:07:02 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
In article <gc5hl0t05gtv5kmvr022g8iga9dhmqk912@4ax.com>,
stoney@the.net wrote:
On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 21:18:01 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
In article <gunel0phscpfmm38cgepmvu2anrm9b6qr7@4ax.com>,
stoney@the.net wrote:
On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 23:33:29 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
In article <4155f54c$0$20580$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>,
"Clayton Sprained His Ankle The Useless *****!"
<cjfat@SPAMBLOCKphonyemail.com> wrote:
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On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 23:42:15 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
In article <gjd9l01q9b6q689gnj310tf1qsgv0p1f6c@4ax.com>,
stoney@the.net wrote:
On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 22:55:00 -0700, johac
<jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
In article <nlg4l0p3s3j6fah084naus5apsc5foonua@4ax.com>,
stoney@the.net wrote:
On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 19:10:41 +0930, Michael Gray
<fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote:
On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 22:43:56 -0700, johac
<jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
In article <0eqvk0h7olnj7avrmm13riqdik67jn5ejp@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote:
On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 23:36:26 -0700, johac
<jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/58mav
---
Catholic Diocese of Tucson Files for Bankruptcy
Mon Sep 20, 4:27 PM ET
:
What a pathetic "out"!
Why shouldn't it's head branch in Vatican City be forced to
sell
off a
tiny few of it's fabulous treasures to pay the debt?
Any other corporation would be forced to.
Bankruptcy protection should only be granted to those
entities
who pay
taxes, in any case.
Given the fact that they avail themselves of government
services
such
as police and fire protection yet pay no income or property
taxes.
Owning up to their legal obligations is the least that they
could
do.
"the least that they could do"
A quantity that the Catholic Church specialises in...
Yeah, I've always wondered why fire brigades are even called
to
church
fires.
Surely it's god's will that the church burn down?
Hell, if it was started by lightning, who could argue?
To put it out would be a sin!
Now where'd I put that old cloud making machine....
/cue rain dance.
I read some time ago that the Russians used anti-aircraft guns to
seed
the clouds with silver iodide crystals. "Commence firing! Fire at
will!"
And Will ran his arse off
I never understood tht. why were they always so mad at Will?
errrr......he was always full of Grace?
I knew a Grace who was always full of willy!
LOL! If it were Will's willy, that would explain why they were so mad
at him.
And then they sent him the bill......
Who sent Will the biil, Bill?
Blueberry Hill.....
On which I found my thrill...
from 'no frills'......
.
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Tucson RCC goes bankrupt. |
30 Sep 2004 12:25:24 AM |
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In article <gvbml0hub8v42a7ls6rks2vbp00tsr6sp0@4ax.com>,
wrote:
On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 22:07:02 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
In article <gc5hl0t05gtv5kmvr022g8iga9dhmqk912@4ax.com>,
wrote:
On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 21:18:01 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
In article <gunel0phscpfmm38cgepmvu2anrm9b6qr7@4ax.com>,
wrote:
On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 23:33:29 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
In article <4155f54c$0$20580$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>,
"Clayton Sprained His Ankle The Useless *****!"
<cjfat@SPAMBLOCKphonyemail.com> wrote:
< > wrote in message
news:qbobl0hlnjcru6115ufprjtcmq4koa098r@4ax.com...
On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 23:42:15 -0700, johac
<jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
In article <gjd9l01q9b6q689gnj310tf1qsgv0p1f6c@4ax.com>,
wrote:
On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 22:55:00 -0700, johac
<jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
In article <nlg4l0p3s3j6fah084naus5apsc5foonua@4ax.com>,
wrote:
On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 19:10:41 +0930, Michael Gray
<fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote:
On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 22:43:56 -0700, johac
<jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
In article <0eqvk0h7olnj7avrmm13riqdik67jn5ejp@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote:
On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 23:36:26 -0700, johac
<jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/58mav
---
Catholic Diocese of Tucson Files for Bankruptcy
Mon Sep 20, 4:27 PM ET
:
What a pathetic "out"!
Why shouldn't it's head branch in Vatican City be forced
to
sell
off a
tiny few of it's fabulous treasures to pay the debt?
Any other corporation would be forced to.
Bankruptcy protection should only be granted to those
entities
who pay
taxes, in any case.
Given the fact that they avail themselves of government
services
such
as police and fire protection yet pay no income or
property
taxes.
Owning up to their legal obligations is the least that
they
could
do.
"the least that they could do"
A quantity that the Catholic Church specialises in...
Yeah, I've always wondered why fire brigades are even
called
to
church
fires.
Surely it's god's will that the church burn down?
Hell, if it was started by lightning, who could argue?
To put it out would be a sin!
Now where'd I put that old cloud making machine....
/cue rain dance.
I read some time ago that the Russians used anti-aircraft guns
to
seed
the clouds with silver iodide crystals. "Commence firing! Fire
at
will!"
And Will ran his arse off
I never understood tht. why were they always so mad at Will?
errrr......he was always full of Grace?
I knew a Grace who was always full of willy!
LOL! If it were Will's willy, that would explain why they were so mad
at him.
And then they sent him the bill......
Who sent Will the biil, Bill?
Blueberry Hill.....
On which I found my thrill...
from 'no frills'......
took some 'stills'
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
-The ability to change one's mind, ideas, and opinions when confronted with
new facts is the sign of the rational and intelligent. The inability to do
so is the hallmark of the dimwitted and the fanatic. This applies not only
to science and philosophy, but also to politics.-
.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Tucson RCC goes bankrupt. |
30 Sep 2004 05:52:09 PM |
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On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 22:25:24 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
In article <gvbml0hub8v42a7ls6rks2vbp00tsr6sp0@4ax.com>,
stoney@the.net wrote:
On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 22:07:02 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
In article <gc5hl0t05gtv5kmvr022g8iga9dhmqk912@4ax.com>,
stoney@the.net wrote:
On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 21:18:01 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
In article <gunel0phscpfmm38cgepmvu2anrm9b6qr7@4ax.com>,
stoney@the.net wrote:
On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 23:33:29 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
In article <4155f54c$0$20580$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>,
"Clayton Sprained His Ankle The Useless *****!"
<cjfat@SPAMBLOCKphonyemail.com> wrote:
<stoney@the.net> wrote in message
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On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 23:42:15 -0700, johac
<jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
In article <gjd9l01q9b6q689gnj310tf1qsgv0p1f6c@4ax.com>,
stoney@the.net wrote:
On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 22:55:00 -0700, johac
<jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
In article <nlg4l0p3s3j6fah084naus5apsc5foonua@4ax.com>,
stoney@the.net wrote:
On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 19:10:41 +0930, Michael Gray
<fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote:
On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 22:43:56 -0700, johac
<jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
In article <0eqvk0h7olnj7avrmm13riqdik67jn5ejp@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote:
On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 23:36:26 -0700, johac
<jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/58mav
---
Catholic Diocese of Tucson Files for Bankruptcy
Mon Sep 20, 4:27 PM ET
:
What a pathetic "out"!
Why shouldn't it's head branch in Vatican City be forced
to
sell
off a
tiny few of it's fabulous treasures to pay the debt?
Any other corporation would be forced to.
Bankruptcy protection should only be granted to those
entities
who pay
taxes, in any case.
Given the fact that they avail themselves of government
services
such
as police and fire protection yet pay no income or
property
taxes.
Owning up to their legal obligations is the least that
they
could
do.
"the least that they could do"
A quantity that the Catholic Church specialises in...
Yeah, I've always wondered why fire brigades are even
called
to
church
fires.
Surely it's god's will that the church burn down?
Hell, if it was started by lightning, who could argue?
To put it out would be a sin!
Now where'd I put that old cloud making machine....
/cue rain dance.
I read some time ago that the Russians used anti-aircraft guns
to
seed
the clouds with silver iodide crystals. "Commence firing! Fire
at
will!"
And Will ran his arse off
I never understood tht. why were they always so mad at Will?
errrr......he was always full of Grace?
I knew a Grace who was always full of willy!
LOL! If it were Will's willy, that would explain why they were so mad
at him.
And then they sent him the bill......
Who sent Will the biil, Bill?
Blueberry Hill.....
On which I found my thrill...
from 'no frills'......
took some 'stills'
which were a blurr....
.
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Tucson RCC goes bankrupt. |
30 Sep 2004 11:52:06 PM |
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In article <3g3pl0hqcsdud4hqp01fevgel4rffspic3@4ax.com>,
wrote:
On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 22:25:24 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
In article <gvbml0hub8v42a7ls6rks2vbp00tsr6sp0@4ax.com>,
wrote:
On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 22:07:02 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
In article <gc5hl0t05gtv5kmvr022g8iga9dhmqk912@4ax.com>,
wrote:
On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 21:18:01 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
In article <gunel0phscpfmm38cgepmvu2anrm9b6qr7@4ax.com>,
wrote:
On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 23:33:29 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
In article <4155f54c$0$20580$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>,
"Clayton Sprained His Ankle The Useless *****!"
<cjfat@SPAMBLOCKphonyemail.com> wrote:
< > wrote in message
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On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 23:42:15 -0700, johac
<jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
In article <gjd9l01q9b6q689gnj310tf1qsgv0p1f6c@4ax.com>,
wrote:
On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 22:55:00 -0700, johac
<jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
In article <nlg4l0p3s3j6fah084naus5apsc5foonua@4ax.com>,
wrote:
On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 19:10:41 +0930, Michael Gray
<fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote:
On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 22:43:56 -0700, johac
<jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
In article
<0eqvk0h7olnj7avrmm13riqdik67jn5ejp@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote:
On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 23:36:26 -0700, johac
<jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/58mav
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Catholic Diocese of Tucson Files for Bankruptcy
Mon Sep 20, 4:27 PM ET
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What a pathetic "out"!
Why shouldn't it's head branch in Vatican City be
forced
to
sell
off a
tiny few of it's fabulous treasures to pay the debt?
Any other corporation would be forced to.
Bankruptcy protection should only be granted to those
entities
who pay
taxes, in any case.
Given the fact that they avail themselves of government
services
such
as police and fire protection yet pay no income or
property
taxes.
Owning up to their legal obligations is the least that
they
could
do.
"the least that they could do"
A quantity that the Catholic Church specialises in...
Yeah, I've always wondered why fire brigades are even
called
to
church
fires.
Surely it's god's will that the church burn down?
Hell, if it was started by lightning, who could argue?
To put it out would be a sin!
Now where'd I put that old cloud making machine....
/cue rain dance.
I read some time ago that the Russians used anti-aircraft
guns
to
seed
the clouds with silver iodide crystals. "Commence firing!
Fire
at
will!"
And Will ran his arse off
I never understood tht. why were they always so mad at Will?
errrr......he was always full of Grace?
I knew a Grace who was always full of willy!
LOL! If it were Will's willy, that would explain why they were so
mad
at him.
And then they sent him the bill......
Who sent Will the biil, Bill?
Blueberry Hill.....
On which I found my thrill...
from 'no frills'......
took some 'stills'
which were a blurr....
Aaron Blurr?
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
-The ability to change one's mind, ideas, and opinions when confronted with
new facts is the sign of the rational and intelligent. The inability to do
so is the hallmark of the dimwitted and the fanatic. This applies not only
to science and philosophy, but also to politics.-
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01 Oct 2004 05:50:41 PM |
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On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 21:52:06 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
In article <3g3pl0hqcsdud4hqp01fevgel4rffspic3@4ax.com>,
stoney@the.net wrote:
On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 22:25:24 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
In article <gvbml0hub8v42a7ls6rks2vbp00tsr6sp0@4ax.com>,
stoney@the.net wrote:
On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 22:07:02 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
In article <gc5hl0t05gtv5kmvr022g8iga9dhmqk912@4ax.com>,
stoney@the.net wrote:
On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 21:18:01 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
In article <gunel0phscpfmm38cgepmvu2anrm9b6qr7@4ax.com>,
stoney@the.net wrote:
On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 23:33:29 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
In article <4155f54c$0$20580$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>,
"Clayton Sprained His Ankle The Useless *****!"
<cjfat@SPAMBLOCKphonyemail.com> wrote:
<stoney@the.net> wrote in message
news:qbobl0hlnjcru6115ufprjtcmq4koa098r@4ax.com...
On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 23:42:15 -0700, johac
<jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
In article <gjd9l01q9b6q689gnj310tf1qsgv0p1f6c@4ax.com>,
stoney@the.net wrote:
On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 22:55:00 -0700, johac
<jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
In article <nlg4l0p3s3j6fah084naus5apsc5foonua@4ax.com>,
stoney@the.net wrote:
On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 19:10:41 +0930, Michael Gray
<fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote:
On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 22:43:56 -0700, johac
<jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
In article
<0eqvk0h7olnj7avrmm13riqdik67jn5ejp@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote:
On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 23:36:26 -0700, johac
<jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/58mav
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Catholic Diocese of Tucson Files for Bankruptcy
Mon Sep 20, 4:27 PM ET
:
What a pathetic "out"!
Why shouldn't it's head branch in Vatican City be
forced
to
sell
off a
tiny few of it's fabulous treasures to pay the debt?
Any other corporation would be forced to.
Bankruptcy protection should only be granted to those
entities
who pay
taxes, in any case.
Given the fact that they avail themselves of government
services
such
as police and fire protection yet pay no income or
property
taxes.
Owning up to their legal obligations is the least that
they
could
do.
"the least that they could do"
A quantity that the Catholic Church specialises in...
Yeah, I've always wondered why fire brigades are even
called
to
church
fires.
Surely it's god's will that the church burn down?
Hell, if it was started by lightning, who could argue?
To put it out would be a sin!
Now where'd I put that old cloud making machine....
/cue rain dance.
I read some time ago that the Russians used anti-aircraft
guns
to
seed
the clouds with silver iodide crystals. "Commence firing!
Fire
at
will!"
And Will ran his arse off
I never understood tht. why were they always so mad at Will?
errrr......he was always full of Grace?
I knew a Grace who was always full of willy!
LOL! If it were Will's willy, that would explain why they were so
mad
at him.
And then they sent him the bill......
Who sent Will the biil, Bill?
Blueberry Hill.....
On which I found my thrill...
from 'no frills'......
took some 'stills'
which were a blurr....
Aaron Blurr?
his hand was cocked....
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26 Sep 2004 07:33:00 PM |
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On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 08:46:47 +1000, "Clayton Sprained His Ankle The
Useless *****!" <cjfat@SPAMBLOCKphonyemail.com> wrote:
<stoney@the.net> wrote in message
news:qbobl0hlnjcru6115ufprjtcmq4koa098r@4ax.com...
On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 23:42:15 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
In article <gjd9l01q9b6q689gnj310tf1qsgv0p1f6c@4ax.com>,
stoney@the.net wrote:
On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 22:55:00 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
In article <nlg4l0p3s3j6fah084naus5apsc5foonua@4ax.com>,
stoney@the.net wrote:
On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 19:10:41 +0930, Michael Gray
<fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote:
On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 22:43:56 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
In article <0eqvk0h7olnj7avrmm13riqdik67jn5ejp@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote:
On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 23:36:26 -0700, johac
<jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/58mav
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Catholic Diocese of Tucson Files for Bankruptcy
Mon Sep 20, 4:27 PM ET
:
What a pathetic "out"!
Why shouldn't it's head branch in Vatican City be forced to sell
off a
tiny few of it's fabulous treasures to pay the debt?
Any other corporation would be forced to.
Bankruptcy protection should only be granted to those entities
who pay
taxes, in any case.
Given the fact that they avail themselves of government services
such
as police and fire protection yet pay no income or property taxes.
Owning up to their legal obligations is the least that they could
do.
"the least that they could do"
A quantity that the Catholic Church specialises in...
Yeah, I've always wondered why fire brigades are even called to
church
fires.
Surely it's god's will that the church burn down?
Hell, if it was started by lightning, who could argue?
To put it out would be a sin!
Now where'd I put that old cloud making machine....
/cue rain dance.
I read some time ago that the Russians used anti-aircraft guns to seed
the clouds with silver iodide crystals. "Commence firing! Fire at
will!"
And Will ran his arse off
I never understood tht. why were they always so mad at Will?
errrr......he was always full of Grace?
I knew a Grace who was always full of willy!
rotational services......
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21 Sep 2004 08:20:56 AM |
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Michael Gray wrote:
On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 23:36:26 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/58mav
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Catholic Diocese of Tucson Files for Bankruptcy
Mon Sep 20, 4:27 PM ET
:
What a pathetic "out"!
Why shouldn't it's head branch in Vatican City be forced to sell off a
tiny few of it's fabulous treasures to pay the debt?
Any other corporation would be forced to.
More importantly: Any terrorist nation would have its assets siezed. The
Roman Catholic Church, through the person of the Vatican, is recognized as
a nation by the UN and has reciprocal diplomatic ties with the United
States. As "embassies" of the Vatican have been engaging in terrorist
activities against children for decades, it seems reasonable to invoke the
Patriot Act against the Church.
Bankruptcy protection should only be granted to those entities who pay
taxes, in any case.
I'm inclined to agree. At the very least, organizations being investigated
under the RICO laws should not be allowed to reorganize their financial
structure.
--
Gregory Gadow
techbear@serv.net
http://www.serv.net/~techbear
"The accumulation of all power, legislative,
executive, and judicial in the same hands...
may justly be pronounced the very definition
of tyranny."
- James Madison, _The Federalist_, #47
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22 Sep 2004 12:14:32 AM |
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On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 06:20:56 -0700, Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net>
wrote:
Michael Gray wrote:
On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 23:36:26 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/58mav
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Catholic Diocese of Tucson Files for Bankruptcy
Mon Sep 20, 4:27 PM ET
:
What a pathetic "out"!
Why shouldn't it's head branch in Vatican City be forced to sell off a
tiny few of it's fabulous treasures to pay the debt?
Any other corporation would be forced to.
More importantly: Any terrorist nation would have its assets siezed. The
Roman Catholic Church, through the person of the Vatican, is recognized as
a nation by the UN and has reciprocal diplomatic ties with the United
States. As "embassies" of the Vatican have been engaging in terrorist
activities against children for decades, it seems reasonable to invoke the
Patriot Act against the Church.
I like it. Too bad the politicians have no gonads.
Bankruptcy protection should only be granted to those entities who pay
taxes, in any case.
I'm inclined to agree. At the very least, organizations being investigated
under the RICO laws should not be allowed to reorganize their financial
structure.
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22 Sep 2004 12:13:44 AM |
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On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 23:36:26 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/58mav
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Catholic Diocese of Tucson Files for Bankruptcy
They've just demonstrated their 'morality.'
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22 Sep 2004 12:34:42 AM |
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In article <9f22l09efk4c34vmmmc27ra6v7jocaggkn@4ax.com>,
wrote:
On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 23:36:26 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/58mav
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Catholic Diocese of Tucson Files for Bankruptcy
They've just demonstrated their 'morality.'
[]
....and their ethic$.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
-The ability to change one's mind, ideas, and opinions when confronted with
new facts is the sign of the rational and intelligent. The inability to do
so is the hallmark of the dimwitted and the fanatic. This applies not only
to science and philosophy, but also to politics.-
.
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22 Sep 2004 10:30:50 PM |
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On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 22:34:42 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
In article <9f22l09efk4c34vmmmc27ra6v7jocaggkn@4ax.com>,
stoney@the.net wrote:
On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 23:36:26 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/58mav
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Catholic Diocese of Tucson Files for Bankruptcy
They've just demonstrated their 'morality.'
[]
...and their ethic$.
$$$$ is their 'god' was demonstrated very nicely via the Pope's
pronouncements and the actions of the clergy.
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24 Sep 2004 01:01:15 AM |
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In article <3qg4l059n6p15bht9p0o02pusm3u3dkijg@4ax.com>,
wrote:
On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 22:34:42 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
In article <9f22l09efk4c34vmmmc27ra6v7jocaggkn@4ax.com>,
wrote:
On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 23:36:26 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/58mav
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Catholic Diocese of Tucson Files for Bankruptcy
They've just demonstrated their 'morality.'
[]
...and their ethic$.
$$$$ is their 'god' was demonstrated very nicely via the Pope's
pronouncements and the actions of the clergy.
I still think they should get rid of the cross and have Jeebus nailed
to the almighty dollar sign. It would be more accurate and better
represent the spirit of the times.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
-The ability to change one's mind, ideas, and opinions when confronted with
new facts is the sign of the rational and intelligent. The inability to do
so is the hallmark of the dimwitted and the fanatic. This applies not only
to science and philosophy, but also to politics.-
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24 Sep 2004 07:07:31 PM |
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On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 23:01:15 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
In article <3qg4l059n6p15bht9p0o02pusm3u3dkijg@4ax.com>,
stoney@the.net wrote:
On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 22:34:42 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
In article <9f22l09efk4c34vmmmc27ra6v7jocaggkn@4ax.com>,
stoney@the.net wrote:
On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 23:36:26 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/58mav
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Catholic Diocese of Tucson Files for Bankruptcy
They've just demonstrated their 'morality.'
[]
...and their ethic$.
$$$$ is their 'god' was demonstrated very nicely via the Pope's
pronouncements and the actions of the clergy.
I still think they should get rid of the cross and have Jeebus nailed
to the almighty dollar sign. It would be more accurate and better
represent the spirit of the times.
No argument.
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21 Sep 2004 05:18:56 AM |
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On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 23:36:26 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> in
news message <jhachm-A0F8BF.23362620092004@news.giganews.com> wrote:
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