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User: "Jesus.Freak"
Date: 02 Apr 2006 06:48:55 AM
Object: Turning the tables
Turning the tables
This aims to give you some basic answers to common questions. The
answers given here are brief so that you can easily remember them and
use them in discussion. Draw the diagrams as you explain the answer.
There are a number of other books that are more comprehensive, but we
want to give you bullets you can use in the battle.
Many objections and problems that are put to us drive us back into a
defensive position. The New Testament commands us to give a reason for
the hope that is in us, I Pet. 3: 15, but we do not want to get stuck
in that defensive stance; we need to take the initiative and the
offensive once again. The answers in this paper are planned to enable
you to turn the tables in this way. We need to throw the burden of
proof and decision back onto the hearer. The Gospel always demands
decision. Questions and objections are often raised in order to avoid
this challenge; they should be dealt with in a way that leads back to a
positive presentation of the truths and decisiveness of the Gospel.
But a word of warning; "No one is won into the Kingdom of God by being
beaten in an argument." These tools are not designed for you to
demonstrate your intellectual superiority. We are out to win men, not
discussions-or simply to prove to ourselves that we are right,
So, some suggestions:
-Depend on the Holy Spirit to illuminate people's minds through the
Word of God. "After I share Christ with someone who has honest doubts,
I give him enough evidences to answer his questions or satisfy his
curiosity and then turn the conversation back to his relationship to
Christ. The presentation of evidence should never be a substitute for
using the Word of God." (Josh McDowell: Evidence that Demands a
Verdict).
-Love the person you are talking to and assure him often that you want
the best for him, (See Transferable Concepts "How to Love by Faith").
Don't let him feel you are simply out to win the argument.
-Listen carefully to what he has to say and ask yourself "Why is this
question bothering him?" Be encouraging about any interest he has in
moral or spiritual questions. You can say, "I am interested you said
that; it shows that you have been thinking about these things."
Encourage him to pray, "O God, I want to know the truth. I am trusting
You to help me find it."
-Keep refocusing the discussion on Jesus Christ. People should be drawn
magnetically to Him rather than bowled out intellectually by one or two
fast balls from you. All good discussion comes back to Jesus Christ as
the center.
-Be ready to refer back to the Four Spiritual Laws several times.
Because a person has heard it once does not mean that he has grasped
it. You do not have to go through all four Laws every time. Relate a
particular question to a particular Law to show how that aspect of the
Gospel answers that objection. People then will see both the wide range
of Gospel truths and also the inner logic by which one truth leads on
to another. The Gospel is a glorious unity made up of many parts.
-You will not master all the material in this paper by reading it once
or twice. Study each section carefully by yourself or in a group,
mastering the main points. Then, after you have discussed one of these
topics in witnessing, come back again to this paper and see where you
could improve your presentation. Make you own notes in the margin and
see where you can improve this paper too! Don't be afraid to admit when
you do not know the answer to a question. This also adds greater force
to what you do know!
A fundamental principle in dealing with questions is to point out that
Christian faith is based on facts. It is not a leap into the dark, or
an irrational optimism, but a well thought out step based on the
evidence of history and scripture focused on Jesus Christ. Challenge
people to face the force of that evidence and take that step.
We would love to have you join us in our group
We R Jesus Freaks we love to talk about life and what is to come..
Thanks Brother Ted
http://groups.google.com/group/We-R-Jesus-Freaks
.

User: "Jim07D6"

Title: Re: Turning the tables 02 Apr 2006 07:53:12 AM
"Jesus.Freak" <we.r.jesus.freaks@gmail.com> said:

Turning the tables

This aims to give you some basic answers to common questions. The
answers given here are brief so that you can easily remember them and
use them in discussion. Draw the diagrams as you explain the answer.
There are a number of other books that are more comprehensive, but we
want to give you bullets you can use in the battle.
Many objections and problems that are put to us drive us back into a
defensive position. The New Testament commands us to give a reason for
the hope that is in us, I Pet. 3: 15, but we do not want to get stuck
in that defensive stance; we need to take the initiative and the
offensive once again. The answers in this paper are planned to enable
you to turn the tables in this way. We need to throw the burden of
proof and decision back onto the hearer. The Gospel always demands
decision. Questions and objections are often raised in order to avoid
this challenge; they should be dealt with in a way that leads back to a
positive presentation of the truths and decisiveness of the Gospel.
But a word of warning; "No one is won into the Kingdom of God by being
beaten in an argument." These tools are not designed for you to
demonstrate your intellectual superiority. We are out to win men, not
discussions-or simply to prove to ourselves that we are right,
So, some suggestions:
-Depend on the Holy Spirit to illuminate people's minds through the
Word of God. "After I share Christ with someone who has honest doubts,
I give him enough evidences to answer his questions or satisfy his
curiosity and then turn the conversation back to his relationship to
Christ. The presentation of evidence should never be a substitute for
using the Word of God." (Josh McDowell: Evidence that Demands a
Verdict).
-Love the person you are talking to and assure him often that you want
the best for him, (See Transferable Concepts "How to Love by Faith").
Don't let him feel you are simply out to win the argument.
-Listen carefully to what he has to say and ask yourself "Why is this
question bothering him?" Be encouraging about any interest he has in
moral or spiritual questions. You can say, "I am interested you said
that; it shows that you have been thinking about these things."
Encourage him to pray, "O God, I want to know the truth. I am trusting
You to help me find it."
-Keep refocusing the discussion on Jesus Christ. People should be drawn
magnetically to Him rather than bowled out intellectually by one or two
fast balls from you. All good discussion comes back to Jesus Christ as
the center.
-Be ready to refer back to the Four Spiritual Laws several times.
Because a person has heard it once does not mean that he has grasped
it. You do not have to go through all four Laws every time. Relate a
particular question to a particular Law to show how that aspect of the
Gospel answers that objection. People then will see both the wide range
of Gospel truths and also the inner logic by which one truth leads on
to another. The Gospel is a glorious unity made up of many parts.
-You will not master all the material in this paper by reading it once
or twice. Study each section carefully by yourself or in a group,
mastering the main points. Then, after you have discussed one of these
topics in witnessing, come back again to this paper and see where you
could improve your presentation. Make you own notes in the margin and
see where you can improve this paper too! Don't be afraid to admit when
you do not know the answer to a question. This also adds greater force
to what you do know!
A fundamental principle in dealing with questions is to point out that
Christian faith is based on facts. It is not a leap into the dark, or
an irrational optimism, but a well thought out step based on the
evidence of history and scripture focused on Jesus Christ. Challenge
people to face the force of that evidence and take that step.

We would love to have you join us in our group
We R Jesus Freaks we love to talk about life and what is to come..
Thanks Brother Ted
http://groups.google.com/group/We-R-Jesus-Freaks

--- Jim07D6
.

User: "JD"

Title: Re: Turning the tables 02 Apr 2006 10:05:38 AM
"Jesus.Freak" <we.r.jesus.freaks@gmail.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:1143978535.323707.163070@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...

Turning the tables

This aims to give you some basic answers to common questions. The
answers given here are brief so that you can easily remember them and
use them in discussion. Draw the diagrams as you explain the answer.
There are a number of other books that are more comprehensive, but we
want to give you bullets you can use in the battle.
Many objections and problems that are put to us drive us back into a
defensive position. The New Testament commands us to give a reason for
the hope that is in us, I Pet. 3: 15, but we do not want to get stuck
in that defensive stance; we need to take the initiative and the
offensive once again. The answers in this paper are planned to enable
you to turn the tables in this way. We need to throw the burden of
proof and decision back onto the hearer. The Gospel always demands
decision. Questions and objections are often raised in order to avoid
this challenge; they should be dealt with in a way that leads back to a
positive presentation of the truths and decisiveness of the Gospel.
But a word of warning; "No one is won into the Kingdom of God by being
beaten in an argument." These tools are not designed for you to
demonstrate your intellectual superiority. We are out to win men, not
discussions-or simply to prove to ourselves that we are right,
So, some suggestions:
-Depend on the Holy Spirit to illuminate people's minds through the
Word of God. "After I share Christ with someone who has honest doubts,
I give him enough evidences to answer his questions or satisfy his
curiosity and then turn the conversation back to his relationship to
Christ. The presentation of evidence should never be a substitute for
using the Word of God." (Josh McDowell: Evidence that Demands a
Verdict).
-Love the person you are talking to and assure him often that you want
the best for him, (See Transferable Concepts "How to Love by Faith").
Don't let him feel you are simply out to win the argument.
-Listen carefully to what he has to say and ask yourself "Why is this
question bothering him?" Be encouraging about any interest he has in
moral or spiritual questions. You can say, "I am interested you said
that; it shows that you have been thinking about these things."
Encourage him to pray, "O God, I want to know the truth. I am trusting
You to help me find it."
-Keep refocusing the discussion on Jesus Christ. People should be drawn
magnetically to Him rather than bowled out intellectually by one or two
fast balls from you. All good discussion comes back to Jesus Christ as
the center.
-Be ready to refer back to the Four Spiritual Laws several times.
Because a person has heard it once does not mean that he has grasped
it. You do not have to go through all four Laws every time. Relate a
particular question to a particular Law to show how that aspect of the
Gospel answers that objection. People then will see both the wide range
of Gospel truths and also the inner logic by which one truth leads on
to another. The Gospel is a glorious unity made up of many parts.
-You will not master all the material in this paper by reading it once
or twice. Study each section carefully by yourself or in a group,
mastering the main points. Then, after you have discussed one of these
topics in witnessing, come back again to this paper and see where you
could improve your presentation. Make you own notes in the margin and
see where you can improve this paper too! Don't be afraid to admit when
you do not know the answer to a question. This also adds greater force
to what you do know!
A fundamental principle in dealing with questions is to point out that
Christian faith is based on facts. It is not a leap into the dark, or
an irrational optimism, but a well thought out step based on the
evidence of history and scripture focused on Jesus Christ. Challenge
people to face the force of that evidence and take that step.

We would love to have you join us in our group
We R Jesus Freaks we love to talk about life and what is to come..
Thanks Brother Ted
http://groups.google.com/group/We-R-Jesus-Freaks

Dear Mr. Freak,
Sorry, didn't make it past the first paragraph. Try to make it shorter and
more readable.
Thanks.
JD
.

User: "Sara Brum"

Title: Re: Turning the tables 02 Apr 2006 09:12:22 AM
"Jesus.Freak" <we.r.jesus.freaks@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1143978535.323707.163070@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
<snip>

-Listen carefully to what he has to say and ask yourself "Why is this
question bothering him?" Be encouraging about any interest he has in
moral or spiritual questions.

Christians discussing morality are about as credible as sharks discussing
vegetarian recipes.
<snip>
Which sect's brainwashing manual did you get that collection of crap from?
.
User: "stoney"

Title: Re: Turning the tables 05 Apr 2006 03:59:37 PM
On Sun, 02 Apr 2006 14:12:22 GMT, "Sara Brum" <right@home.here> wrote in
alt.atheism

"Jesus.Freak" <we.r.jesus.freaks@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1143978535.323707.163070@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...

<snip>

-Listen carefully to what he has to say and ask yourself "Why is this
question bothering him?" Be encouraging about any interest he has in
moral or spiritual questions.


Christians discussing morality are about as credible as sharks discussing
vegetarian recipes.

Everything Christians do is, by definition, 'moral.'

<snip>

Which sect's brainwashing manual did you get that collection of crap from?

No manual, it got it right from the horses *****.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a cornucopia of splinters.
.

User: "towelie"

Title: AQOTM (was: Re: Turning the tables) 02 Apr 2006 12:35:33 PM
Sara Brum wrote:

"Jesus.Freak" <we.r.jesus.freaks@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1143978535.323707.163070@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...

<snip>

-Listen carefully to what he has to say and ask yourself "Why is this
question bothering him?" Be encouraging about any interest he has in
moral or spiritual questions.

(begin)

Christians discussing morality are about as credible as sharks
discussing vegetarian recipes.

(end)
(seconds?)

<snip>

Which sect's brainwashing manual did you get that collection of crap
from?

.
User: "Roy Culley"

Title: Re: AQOTM (was: Re: Turning the tables) 02 Apr 2006 12:45:29 PM
<H8qdnZ3sM7Ltlq3ZnZ2dnUVZ_s-dnZ2d@centurytel.net>,
"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> writes:

Sara Brum wrote:

"Jesus.Freak" <we.r.jesus.freaks@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1143978535.323707.163070@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...

<snip>

-Listen carefully to what he has to say and ask yourself "Why is
this question bothering him?" Be encouraging about any interest he
has in moral or spiritual questions.


(begin)

Christians discussing morality are about as credible as sharks
discussing vegetarian recipes.


(end)

(seconds?)

Seconded
.
User: "*nemo*"

Title: Re: AQOTM (was: Re: Turning the tables) 05 Apr 2006 04:43:56 AM
In article <p6f5g3-0pa.ln1@dog.did.it>,
(Roy Culley)
wrote:

<H8qdnZ3sM7Ltlq3ZnZ2dnUVZ_s-dnZ2d@centurytel.net>,
"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> writes:

Sara Brum wrote:

"Jesus.Freak" <we.r.jesus.freaks@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1143978535.323707.163070@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...

<snip>

-Listen carefully to what he has to say and ask yourself "Why is
this question bothering him?" Be encouraging about any interest he
has in moral or spiritual questions.


(begin)

Christians discussing morality are about as credible as sharks
discussing vegetarian recipes.


(end)

(seconds?)


Seconded

Recorded.
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User: "kathryn"

Title: Re: Turning the tables 02 Apr 2006 09:40:36 AM
"Jesus.Freak" <we.r.jesus.freaks@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1143978535.323707.163070@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...

Turning the tables

of that evidence and take that step.


We would love to have you join us in our group
We R Jesus Freaks we love to talk about life and what is to come..
Thanks Brother Ted
http://groups.google.com/group/We-R-Jesus-Freaks

Go peddle your snake oil elsewhere
.

User: "Chris Johnson"

Title: Re: Turning the tables 02 Apr 2006 01:40:54 PM
Jesus.Freak wrote:

Turning the tables

This aims to give you some basic answers to common questions. The
answers given here are brief so that you can easily remember them and
use them in discussion.

What? Christians use a script because they don't really understand what
they're saying? I'm shocked. Shocked, I tell you.

Draw the diagrams as you explain the answer.

You should realize that we've heard this drek before, and that
explaining as if we were four year olds isn't going to help your cause.

There are a number of other books that are more comprehensive, but we
want to give you bullets you can use in the battle.

Here's a problem: you approach discussion as a battle. Whatever your
principles ahead of time, in battle you must turn off empathy and kill
to stay alive. You do not take time to consider the other's points,
since many points are likely to be aimed at one piece of you or
another.

Many objections and problems that are put to us drive us back into a
defensive position.

And colorless green dreams sleep furiously.

The New Testament commands us to give a reason for
the hope that is in us, I Pet. 3: 15, but we do not want to get stuck
in that defensive stance; we need to take the initiative and the
offensive once again.

You guys have offensive down pat.

The answers in this paper are planned to enable
you to turn the tables in this way. We need to throw the burden of
proof and decision back onto the hearer.

Actively encouraging the use of a logical fallacy. That's grade A
assholery there, buddy.

The Gospel always demands decision.

So what? It's your Gospel, not ours.

Questions and objections are often raised in order to avoid
this challenge; they should be dealt with in a way that leads back to a
positive presentation of the truths and decisiveness of the Gospel.

Truths? Bwahahahaha.
"... and on the third day, Jesus rose from the dea... hey, stop
laughing! This is Truth here! Hey guys, come on."

But a word of warning; "No one is won into the Kingdom of God by being
beaten in an argument."

But thousands have been via torture, eh?

These tools are not designed for you to demonstrate your intellectual
superiority.

I suppose that's a good thing.

We are out to win men, not discussions-or simply to prove to ourselves
that we are right, So, some suggestions:
-Depend on the Holy Spirit to illuminate people's minds through the
Word of God. "After I share Christ with someone who has honest doubts,
I give him enough evidences to answer his questions or satisfy his
curiosity and then turn the conversation back to his relationship to
Christ. The presentation of evidence should never be a substitute for
using the Word of God." (Josh McDowell: Evidence that Demands a
Verdict).

Evidence is the only thing that will convince most people.
Unfortunately for your lot, quoting the Bible is not evidence.

-Love the person you are talking to and assure him often that you want
the best for him, (See Transferable Concepts "How to Love by Faith").
Don't let him feel you are simply out to win the argument.

You'd better not be out to win the argument, since few atheists would
fail to utterly defeat you.
Also, treating us like four year olds is, again, not going to help you
at all.

-Listen carefully to what he has to say and ask yourself "Why is this
question bothering him?" Be encouraging about any interest he has in
moral or spiritual questions. You can say, "I am interested you said
that; it shows that you have been thinking about these things."

Wow, feigned empathy and talking down to us. That'll work.

Encourage him to pray, "O God, I want to know the truth. I am trusting
You to help me find it."

That makes no sense. If your god is real and wanted us to believe, it
would provide evidence for its existence. Asking it to make us believe
in it is not only asking it to subvert our free will but to change its
mind, something an omniscient god cannot do.

-Keep refocusing the discussion on Jesus Christ. People should be drawn
magnetically to Him rather than bowled out intellectually by one or two
fast balls from you. All good discussion comes back to Jesus Christ as
the center.

You're looking for an emotional response, when the only thing that will
sway most atheists is evidence. If you have evidence, you don't need
the emotional response. Your dependence on such tactics would indicate
a certain weakness in your position, don't you think?

-Be ready to refer back to the Four Spiritual Laws several times.
Because a person has heard it once does not mean that he has grasped
it. You do not have to go through all four Laws every time. Relate a
particular question to a particular Law to show how that aspect of the
Gospel answers that objection. People then will see both the wide range
of Gospel truths and also the inner logic by which one truth leads on
to another. The Gospel is a glorious unity made up of many parts.

Four Spiritual Laws? I wonder how these were determined. Was it by
repeatable scientific experimentation or was it some monk or
philosopher or pope just pulling it out of the aether?

-You will not master all the material in this paper by reading it once
or twice. Study each section carefully by yourself or in a group,
mastering the main points. Then, after you have discussed one of these
topics in witnessing, come back again to this paper and see where you
could improve your presentation. Make you own notes in the margin and
see where you can improve this paper too! Don't be afraid to admit when
you do not know the answer to a question. This also adds greater force
to what you do know!

Of course, when you don't know anything...

A fundamental principle in dealing with questions is to point out that
Christian faith is based on facts. It is not a leap into the dark, or
an irrational optimism, but a well thought out step based on the
evidence of history and scripture focused on Jesus Christ. Challenge
people to face the force of that evidence and take that step.

A great many Christians will disagree with you. They use faith as a
copout so that they don't have to deal with facts. Remember the idea of
nonoverlapping magisteria?
And what need does anybody have of faith if they have proof?
[]
.

User: "Les Hemmings"

Title: Re: Turning the tables 02 Apr 2006 07:23:47 AM
Jesus.Freak wrote:

Turning the tables

This aims to give you some basic answers to common questions. The
answers given here are brief so that you can easily remember them and
use them in discussion. Draw the diagrams as you explain the answer.
There are a number of other books that are more comprehensive, but we
want to give you bullets you can use in the battle.

FOAD
<<PLONK>>
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Remove Frontal Lobes to reply direct.
http://armsofmorpheus.blogspot.com/
http://www.xenu.net/
http://www.venganza.org/index.htm
Les Hemmings a.a #2251 SA
.

User: "Sanitys Little Helper"

Title: Re: Turning the tables 02 Apr 2006 01:46:23 PM
Jesus.Freak wrote:

Turning the tables
A fundamental principle in dealing with questions is to point out that
Christian faith is based on facts.

Really? Have you got any?

It is not a leap into the dark,

Liar.

or
an irrational optimism, but a well thought out step based on the
evidence of history and scripture focused on Jesus Christ.

Got any?

Challenge
people to face the force of that evidence and take that step.

Well....?
Of course not, and of course, that is the trouble with you Christers.
You never have the faintest shred of respect for those who do not share
your delusions because that would render it necessary in your minds to
bring any of this evidence you claim you have into the so-called
"debate" - evidence you know you do not have. I believe that is called
"bearing false witness".
.

User: "stoney"

Title: Re: Turning the tables 05 Apr 2006 03:58:04 PM
On 2 Apr 2006 04:48:55 -0700, "Jesus.Freak"
<we.r.jesus.freaks@gmail.com> wrote in alt.atheism
[snip gibbering insanity]
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a cornucopia of splinters.
.

User: "Michael Gray"

Title: Re: Turning the tables 02 Apr 2006 07:25:09 AM
On 2 Apr 2006 04:48:55 -0700, "Jesus.Freak"
<we.r.jesus.freaks@gmail.com> wrote:
- Refer: <1143978535.323707.163070@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>

Turning the tables

This aims to give you some basic answers to common questions. The
answers given here are brief so that you can easily remember them and
use them in discussion. Draw the diagrams as you explain the answer.
There are a number of other books that are more comprehensive, but we
want to give you bullets you can use in the battle.
Many objections and problems that are put to us drive us back into a
defensive position. The New Testament commands us to give a reason for
the hope that is in us, I Pet. 3: 15, but we do not want to get stuck
in that defensive stance; we need to take the initiative and the
offensive once again. The answers in this paper are planned to enable
you to turn the tables in this way. We need to throw the burden of
proof and decision back onto the hearer. The Gospel always demands
decision. Questions and objections are often raised in order to avoid
this challenge; they should be dealt with in a way that leads back to a
positive presentation of the truths and decisiveness of the Gospel.
But a word of warning; "No one is won into the Kingdom of God by being
beaten in an argument." These tools are not designed for you to
demonstrate your intellectual superiority. We are out to win men, not
discussions-or simply to prove to ourselves that we are right,
So, some suggestions:
-Depend on the Holy Spirit to illuminate people's minds through the
Word of God. "After I share Christ with someone who has honest doubts,
I give him enough evidences to answer his questions or satisfy his
curiosity and then turn the conversation back to his relationship to
Christ. The presentation of evidence should never be a substitute for
using the Word of God." (Josh McDowell: Evidence that Demands a
Verdict).
-Love the person you are talking to and assure him often that you want
the best for him, (See Transferable Concepts "How to Love by Faith").
Don't let him feel you are simply out to win the argument.
-Listen carefully to what he has to say and ask yourself "Why is this
question bothering him?" Be encouraging about any interest he has in
moral or spiritual questions. You can say, "I am interested you said
that; it shows that you have been thinking about these things."
Encourage him to pray, "O God, I want to know the truth. I am trusting
You to help me find it."
-Keep refocusing the discussion on Jesus Christ. People should be drawn
magnetically to Him rather than bowled out intellectually by one or two
fast balls from you. All good discussion comes back to Jesus Christ as
the center.
-Be ready to refer back to the Four Spiritual Laws several times.
Because a person has heard it once does not mean that he has grasped
it. You do not have to go through all four Laws every time. Relate a
particular question to a particular Law to show how that aspect of the
Gospel answers that objection. People then will see both the wide range
of Gospel truths and also the inner logic by which one truth leads on
to another. The Gospel is a glorious unity made up of many parts.
-You will not master all the material in this paper by reading it once
or twice. Study each section carefully by yourself or in a group,
mastering the main points. Then, after you have discussed one of these
topics in witnessing, come back again to this paper and see where you
could improve your presentation. Make you own notes in the margin and
see where you can improve this paper too! Don't be afraid to admit when
you do not know the answer to a question. This also adds greater force
to what you do know!
A fundamental principle in dealing with questions is to point out that
Christian faith is based on facts. It is not a leap into the dark, or
an irrational optimism, but a well thought out step based on the
evidence of history and scripture focused on Jesus Christ. Challenge
people to face the force of that evidence and take that step.

We would love to have you join us in our group
We R Jesus Freaks we love to talk about life and what is to come..
Thanks Brother Ted
http://groups.google.com/group/We-R-Jesus-Freaks

Eh?
This guff is barely coherent.
Where are the questions?
"Freaks" is an appropriate adjective.
Oh, and proselytising is in direct violation of the charter, even if
it is incoherent.
--
.

User: "Kate "

Title: Re: Turning the tables 02 Apr 2006 11:22:01 AM
On 2 Apr 2006 04:48:55 -0700, "Jesus.Freak"
<we.r.jesus.freaks@gmail.com> wrote:

Turning the tables

You are violating the charter of this newsgroup.
Did you bother to read this newsgroup before you came here and tried
to sell something?
Shame on you!
Jesus kills a kitten every time you lie.
.
User: "Ichimusai"

Title: Re: Turning the tables 02 Apr 2006 11:56:32 AM
(Kate ) writes:

You are violating the charter of this newsgroup.

Did you bother to read this newsgroup before you came here and tried
to sell something?

Shame on you!

Jesus kills a kitten every time you lie.

That does not stop the "liars for god". Anything is allowed in the
name of turning people to the dark side.
--
http://ichimusai.org/
18:56:01 up 15 days, 5:50, 3 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
There is no system but GNU, and Linux is one of its kernels.
.

User: "Mark K. Bilbo"

Title: Re: Turning the tables 02 Apr 2006 11:45:47 AM
Previously, on alt.atheism, Kate in episode
<4436f978.125063265@news-west.newscene.com>...

On 2 Apr 2006 04:48:55 -0700, "Jesus.Freak" <we.r.jesus.freaks@gmail.com>
wrote:

Turning the tables


You are violating the charter of this newsgroup.

Did you bother to read this newsgroup before you came here and tried to
sell something?

Of course not. Rules don't apply to him, he's with Jesus!
--
Mark K. Bilbo
--------------------------------------------------
"As hip as it is for outsiders to blame New Orleans
for everything bad that happened during and after
Hurricane Katrina, the truth is that the people
who lived here were much more prepared for a big
storm than the federal government that promised
us flood protection."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?V180525DC
I just love this one...
"For those of us who grew up in Louisiana,
'The Wizard of Oz' was like a documentary.
Dorothy left Kansas and simply went to Mardi Gras."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?W2EA439BC
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
.


User: "Mark K. Bilbo"

Title: Re: Turning the tables 02 Apr 2006 11:45:22 AM
Previously, on alt.atheism, Jesus.Freak in episode
<1143978535.323707.163070@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>...

A fundamental principle in dealing with questions is to point out that
Christian faith is based on facts. It is not a leap into the dark, or an
irrational optimism, but a well thought out step based on the evidence of
history and scripture focused on Jesus Christ. Challenge people to face
the force of that evidence and take that step.

WHAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
Stop! I can't breathe!
WHAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
--
Mark K. Bilbo
--------------------------------------------------
"As hip as it is for outsiders to blame New Orleans
for everything bad that happened during and after
Hurricane Katrina, the truth is that the people
who lived here were much more prepared for a big
storm than the federal government that promised
us flood protection."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?V180525DC
I just love this one...
"For those of us who grew up in Louisiana,
'The Wizard of Oz' was like a documentary.
Dorothy left Kansas and simply went to Mardi Gras."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?W2EA439BC
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
.


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