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"Yang, AthD h.c, Kicking AWOLs Cocaine Snorting Ass" |
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29 Jun 2006 08:54:22 AM |
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Turns Out Sinead O'Connor Was Right to Rip on the Pope |
Way ahead of her time, eh? Remember, she did this in 1992, 10 years
before the depth of RCC sexual depravity was known.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sin%C3%A9ad_O%27Connor
She was singing an a cappella version of Bob Marley's "War" to protest
sexual abuse in the Roman Catholic Church [1], and added a lyric about
"sexual abuse." She then presented a photo of Pope John Paul II to the
camera and, saying "fight the real enemy," tore it.
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Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division
The Bush 'balanced' budget: 2 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: 12.5 million FEWER jobs than Clinton and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -2525 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
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"Ahhhhhh, yessssssss, ummmmmmm - Alito, Alito, Alito"
-duke (duckgumbo@cox.net), aka PedophilEarl J Weber, 59
year old mateless, heirless biological failure
of Afton Oaks Apartment, Baton Rouge,who pussied
out of the Vietnam draft, showing his gay side
despite his avowed anti-gay bigotry
Contact duke's priest and ask
him why duke is such a racist:
http://www.stpatrickbr.org/
Father Gerard "Jerry" Martin
stpatrickbr<AT>bellsouth<DOT>net
Saint Patrick Catholic Church
12424 Brogdon Lane
Baton Rouge, Louisiana 70816
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| User: "gatt" |
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| Title: Re: Turns Out Sinead O'Connor Was Right to Rip on the Pope |
30 Jun 2006 04:18:24 PM |
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"Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting *****"
<eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in message wiki/Sin%C3%
She was singing an a cappella version of Bob Marley's "War" to protest
sexual abuse in the Roman Catholic Church [1], and added a lyric about
"sexual abuse." She then presented a photo of Pope John Paul II to the
camera and, saying "fight the real enemy," tore it.
Except there's no evidence suggesting that PJP II ever committed sexual
abuse.
Accusing somebody of sex crimes on live national television, without proof,
is never a good idea.
-c
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| User: "Yang, AthD h.c, Kicking AWOLs Cocaine Snorting Ass" |
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| Title: Re: Turns Out Sinead O'Connor Was Right to Rip on the Pope |
03 Jul 2006 01:27:08 AM |
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On Fri, 30 Jun 2006 21:18:24 GMT, "gatt"
<LiveFromTheClocktower@gfy.com> wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting *****"
<eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in message wiki/Sin%C3%
She was singing an a cappella version of Bob Marley's "War" to protest
sexual abuse in the Roman Catholic Church [1], and added a lyric about
"sexual abuse." She then presented a photo of Pope John Paul II to the
camera and, saying "fight the real enemy," tore it.
Except there's no evidence suggesting that PJP II ever committed sexual
abuse.
The fish rots ffrom the head up. The RCC sex abuse was so pervasive on
such a massive scale that either JPII was playing cover up or he was
woefully incompetent. Either way he is not blameless.
Accusing somebody of sex crimes on live national television, without proof,
is never a good idea.
No worse than a defending an organization with a known track record of
pederasty.
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Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division
The Bush 'balanced' budget: 2 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: 12.5 million FEWER jobs than Clinton and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -2536 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
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"Ahhhhhh, yessssssss, ummmmmmm - Alito, Alito, Alito"
-duke (duckgumbo@cox.net), aka PedophilEarl J Weber, 59
year old mateless, heirless biological failure
of Afton Oaks Apartment, Baton Rouge,who pussied
out of the Vietnam draft, showing his gay side
despite his avowed anti-gay bigotry
Contact duke's priest and ask
him why duke is such a racist:
http://www.stpatrickbr.org/
Father Gerard "Jerry" Martin
stpatrickbr<AT>bellsouth<DOT>net
Saint Patrick Catholic Church
12424 Brogdon Lane
Baton Rouge, Louisiana 70816
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| User: "Miriam Cohen" |
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| Title: Re: Turns Out Sinead O'Connor Was Right to Rip on the Pope |
30 Jun 2006 05:31:52 PM |
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gatt wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting *****"
<eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in message wiki/Sin%C3%
She was singing an a cappella version of Bob Marley's "War" to protest
sexual abuse in the Roman Catholic Church [1], and added a lyric about
"sexual abuse." She then presented a photo of Pope John Paul II to the
camera and, saying "fight the real enemy," tore it.
Except there's no evidence suggesting that PJP II ever committed sexual
abuse.
Accusing somebody of sex crimes on live national television, without proof,
is never a good idea.
From your statement one must infer that you've never served in the
military and therefore the concept of the guy at the top carries the
responsibility when things get FUBAR. The pope is head guy it's on his
shoulders to make sure that his people don't abuse his followers.
--
L'Chaim
Miriam
In the beginning
the Word already was.
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| User: "gatt" |
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| Title: Re: Turns Out Sinead O'Connor Was Right to Rip on the Pope |
30 Jun 2006 07:03:44 PM |
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"Miriam Cohen" <mimiNOgalSPAM@cox.net> wrote in message
news:wDhpg.105302$iU2.20997@fed1read01...
From your statement one must infer that you've never served in the
military
Okay. You're wrong to start with, so...
The pope is head guy it's on his shoulders to make sure that his people
don't abuse his followers.
The Catholic church ain't the military. And Sinead is a dipshit.
",O'Connor was interviewed in Vita, an Italian weekly newspaper. In the
interview, she asked the Pope to forgive her. She claimed that the tearing
of the photo was "a ridiculous act, the gesture of a girl rebel." She
claimed she did it "because I was in rebellion against the faith, but I was
still within the faith...
"In 2003 she announced that she was going to leave the music industry [4]
and train to be a catechist (teacher of the Catholic religion to school
children)." -Wikipedia
Fight the real power.
-c
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| User: "Malcolm" |
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01 Jul 2006 08:22:14 PM |
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"gatt" <LiveFromTheClocktower@gfy.com> wrote in message
",O'Connor was interviewed in Vita, an Italian weekly newspaper. In the
interview, she asked the Pope to forgive her. She claimed that the tearing
of the photo was "a ridiculous act, the gesture of a girl rebel." She
claimed she did it "because I was in rebellion against the faith, but I
was still within the faith...
Exactly.
We expect girls to be silly and to believe in morality lite, especially if
they are pop singers.
The problem comes when people in authority start taking girly moral opinions
seriously, and that is what is happening, from vegetarianism to abortion.
--
Buy my book 12 Common Atheist Arguments (refuted)
$1.25 download or $7.20 paper, available www.lulu.com/bgy1mm
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| User: "Yang, AthD h.c, Kicking AWOLs Cocaine Snorting Ass" |
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03 Jul 2006 01:30:04 AM |
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On Sun, 2 Jul 2006 02:22:14 +0100, "Malcolm"
<regniztar@btinternet.com> wrote:
"gatt" <LiveFromTheClocktower@gfy.com> wrote in message
",O'Connor was interviewed in Vita, an Italian weekly newspaper. In the
interview, she asked the Pope to forgive her. She claimed that the tearing
of the photo was "a ridiculous act, the gesture of a girl rebel." She
claimed she did it "because I was in rebellion against the faith, but I
was still within the faith...
Exactly.
Is that why she is no long with the RCC but with another Christian
group?
The problem comes when people in authority start taking girly moral opinions
seriously, and that is what is happening, from vegetarianism to abortion.
Her "girly" opinion that sex abuse is wrong is better than the RCC
opinion that sex abuse is okay.
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Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division
The Bush 'balanced' budget: 2 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: 12.5 million FEWER jobs than Clinton and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -2536 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
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"Ahhhhhh, yessssssss, ummmmmmm - Alito, Alito, Alito"
-duke (duckgumbo@cox.net), aka PedophilEarl J Weber, 59
year old mateless, heirless biological failure
of Afton Oaks Apartment, Baton Rouge,who pussied
out of the Vietnam draft, showing his gay side
despite his avowed anti-gay bigotry
Contact duke's priest and ask
him why duke is such a racist:
http://www.stpatrickbr.org/
Father Gerard "Jerry" Martin
stpatrickbr<AT>bellsouth<DOT>net
Saint Patrick Catholic Church
12424 Brogdon Lane
Baton Rouge, Louisiana 70816
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| User: "thomas p" |
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03 Jul 2006 02:11:22 PM |
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On Sun, 2 Jul 2006 02:22:14 +0100, "Malcolm"
<regniztar@btinternet.com> wrote:
"gatt" <LiveFromTheClocktower@gfy.com> wrote in message
",O'Connor was interviewed in Vita, an Italian weekly newspaper. In the
interview, she asked the Pope to forgive her. She claimed that the tearing
of the photo was "a ridiculous act, the gesture of a girl rebel." She
claimed she did it "because I was in rebellion against the faith, but I
was still within the faith...
Exactly.
We expect girls to be silly and to believe in morality lite, especially if
they are pop singers.
The problem comes when people in authority start taking girly moral opinions
seriously, and that is what is happening, from vegetarianism to abortion.
One would think that you would have some feelings of shame over your
idiotic hatred of women.
Thomas P.
"Life must be lived forwards but understood backwards"
(Kierkegaard)
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| User: "Miriam Cohen" |
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| Title: Re: Turns Out Sinead O'Connor Was Right to Rip on the Pope |
30 Jun 2006 09:13:44 PM |
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gatt wrote:
"Miriam Cohen" <mimiNOgalSPAM@cox.net> wrote in message
news:wDhpg.105302$iU2.20997@fed1read01...
From your statement one must infer that you've never served in the
military
Okay. You're wrong to start with, so...
The pope is head guy it's on his shoulders to make sure that his people
don't abuse his followers.
The Catholic church ain't the military. And Sinead is a dipshit.
No *****. He's still the guy at the top who bears the responsibility when
things get FUBAR.
--
L'Chaim
Miriam
In the beginning
the Word already was.
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| User: "Tim McGaughy" |
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| Title: Re: Turns Out Sinead O'Connor Was Right to Rip on the Pope |
01 Jul 2006 06:01:42 AM |
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gatt wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting *****"
<eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in message wiki/Sin%C3%
She was singing an a cappella version of Bob Marley's "War" to protest
sexual abuse in the Roman Catholic Church [1], and added a lyric about
"sexual abuse." She then presented a photo of Pope John Paul II to the
camera and, saying "fight the real enemy," tore it.
Except there's no evidence suggesting that PJP II ever committed sexual
abuse.
Accusing somebody of sex crimes on live national television, without proof,
is never a good idea.
If I shelter a bank robber without actually helping to rob the bank, I'm
still an accomplice.
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| User: "Miriam Cohen" |
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01 Jul 2006 09:27:57 AM |
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Tim McGaughy wrote:
gatt wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting *****"
<eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in message wiki/Sin%C3%
She was singing an a cappella version of Bob Marley's "War" to protest
sexual abuse in the Roman Catholic Church [1], and added a lyric about
"sexual abuse." She then presented a photo of Pope John Paul II to the
camera and, saying "fight the real enemy," tore it.
Except there's no evidence suggesting that PJP II ever committed
sexual abuse.
Accusing somebody of sex crimes on live national television, without
proof, is never a good idea.
If I shelter a bank robber without actually helping to rob the bank, I'm
still an accomplice.
Exactly!
--
L'Chaim
Miriam
In the beginning
the Word already was.
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| User: "Malcolm" |
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01 Jul 2006 08:16:32 PM |
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"Miriam Cohen" <mimiNOgalSPAM@cox.net> wrote
If I shelter a bank robber without actually helping to rob the bank, I'm
still an accomplice.
Exactly!
So your brother is accused of a bank robbery.
However no one is pressing any legal charges, so you say "best out of that
situation. Come to my house a while and keep your head down".
Twenty years later it transpires that the brother was guilty, and stole a
thousand dollars. However the bank clerk he held up at gunpoint is so
traumatised by the ordeal that he needs two million dollars in damages. The
borther doesn't have that sort of money, so the authorities demand that your
house is sold, and then that your cousin's house is also sold, to pay the
bill.
You've still got a little money left. So they change the law to allow the
brother to be prosecuted for more crimes he did as a juvenile, and sue you
for the remainder.
--
Buy my book 12 Common Atheist Arguments (refuted)
$1.25 download or $7.20 paper, available www.lulu.com/bgy1mm
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| User: "Yang, AthD h.c, Kicking AWOLs Cocaine Snorting Ass" |
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03 Jul 2006 01:28:44 AM |
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On Sun, 2 Jul 2006 02:16:32 +0100, "Malcolm"
<regniztar@btinternet.com> wrote:
"Miriam Cohen" <mimiNOgalSPAM@cox.net> wrote
If I shelter a bank robber without actually helping to rob the bank, I'm
still an accomplice.
Exactly!
So your brother is accused of a bank robbery.
However no one is pressing any legal charges, so you say "best out of that
situation. Come to my house a while and keep your head down".
That makes you an accomplice, if you know that he robbed a bank.
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Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division
The Bush 'balanced' budget: 2 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: 12.5 million FEWER jobs than Clinton and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -2536 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
-----
"Ahhhhhh, yessssssss, ummmmmmm - Alito, Alito, Alito"
-duke (duckgumbo@cox.net), aka PedophilEarl J Weber, 59
year old mateless, heirless biological failure
of Afton Oaks Apartment, Baton Rouge,who pussied
out of the Vietnam draft, showing his gay side
despite his avowed anti-gay bigotry
Contact duke's priest and ask
him why duke is such a racist:
http://www.stpatrickbr.org/
Father Gerard "Jerry" Martin
stpatrickbr<AT>bellsouth<DOT>net
Saint Patrick Catholic Church
12424 Brogdon Lane
Baton Rouge, Louisiana 70816
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| User: "Josh Miles" |
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| Title: Re: Turns Out Sinead O'Connor Was Right to Rip on the Pope |
01 Jul 2006 03:12:38 PM |
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gatt wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting *****"
<eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in message wiki/Sin%C3%
She was singing an a cappella version of Bob Marley's "War" to protest
sexual abuse in the Roman Catholic Church [1], and added a lyric about
"sexual abuse." She then presented a photo of Pope John Paul II to the
camera and, saying "fight the real enemy," tore it.
Except there's no evidence suggesting that PJP II ever committed sexual
abuse.
No one claimed there is.
Accusing somebody of sex crimes on live national television, without proof,
is never a good idea.
She wasn't accusing him of sex crimes. Her tearing the picture up was a
reaction to the Pope's refusal to do anything about the sex abuse
scandal in the Church.
-c
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| User: "Bill Shatzer" |
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30 Jun 2006 05:08:49 PM |
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gatt wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting *****"
<eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in message wiki/Sin%C3%
She was singing an a cappella version of Bob Marley's "War" to protest
sexual abuse in the Roman Catholic Church [1], and added a lyric about
"sexual abuse." She then presented a photo of Pope John Paul II to the
camera and, saying "fight the real enemy," tore it.
Except there's no evidence suggesting that PJP II ever committed sexual
abuse.
There's no evidence that Hitler ever killed a single Jew, either.
Accusing somebody of sex crimes on live national television, without proof,
is never a good idea.
You are being entirely too literal chris.
Certainly much more so than Sinead intended.
There is ample evidence that the catholic church, under John Paul,
tolerated and covered up pedophilic sex crimes. And did little enough
about it even after the problem was, or should have been, well
recognized at the highest levels of the Vatican.
If Yamashita could be hanged for failure to control his troops,
certainly PJP II can have his photo ripped for his failure to control his.
Peace and justice,
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| User: "gatt" |
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30 Jun 2006 05:22:38 PM |
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"Bill Shatzer" <bshatzerNO@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:BJ6dneBPxMRPPTjZnZ2dnUVZ_r-dnZ2d@comcast.com...
Except there's no evidence suggesting that PJP II ever committed sexual
abuse.
There's no evidence that Hitler ever killed a single Jew, either.
Did the Pope order his Panzer divisions to invade sovereign nations? Did
he order his U-boat crews to fire on merchant marine fleets?
Check me on this.
If Yamashita could be hanged for failure to control his troops, certainly
PJP II can have his photo ripped for his failure to control his.
Clearly, since that's what happened. But why not take on the actual
pedophiles?
-c
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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30 Jun 2006 08:32:11 PM |
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What's so funny about peace, love and "gatt"
<LiveFromTheClocktower@gfy.com> posting the following on Fri, 30 Jun
2006 22:22:38 GMT iin alt.atheism?
"Bill Shatzer" <bshatzerNO@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:BJ6dneBPxMRPPTjZnZ2dnUVZ_r-dnZ2d@comcast.com...
Except there's no evidence suggesting that PJP II ever committed sexual
abuse.
There's no evidence that Hitler ever killed a single Jew, either.
Did the Pope order his Panzer divisions to invade sovereign nations? Did
he order his U-boat crews to fire on merchant marine fleets?
Check me on this.
No, but the top-down policy on priests who commited sexually abusive
acts was to cover-up, not let the authorities know what was happening,
and move the priest to a new assignment.. not necessarily one that
prevented contact with children.
If Yamashita could be hanged for failure to control his troops, certainly
PJP II can have his photo ripped for his failure to control his.
Clearly, since that's what happened. But why not take on the actual
pedophiles?
O(nce we identified them, we did. But that's like saying "OK, we
killed all the Germans who actually invaded another nation. Let's
ignore the ones who ordered them to act and provided them the tools to
act."
--
Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2011
"The belief in the Christian god... is an appalling nightmare. I reject
the notion that the whole universe was created by this kind of evil
creature who would create such a thing." - Anthony Flew, March 22, 2005
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| User: "Miriam Cohen" |
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30 Jun 2006 09:12:05 PM |
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Douglas Berry wrote:
What's so funny about peace, love and "gatt"
<LiveFromTheClocktower@gfy.com> posting the following on Fri, 30 Jun
2006 22:22:38 GMT iin alt.atheism?
"Bill Shatzer" <bshatzerNO@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:BJ6dneBPxMRPPTjZnZ2dnUVZ_r-dnZ2d@comcast.com...
Except there's no evidence suggesting that PJP II ever committed sexual
abuse.
There's no evidence that Hitler ever killed a single Jew, either.
Did the Pope order his Panzer divisions to invade sovereign nations? Did
he order his U-boat crews to fire on merchant marine fleets?
Check me on this.
No, but the top-down policy on priests who commited sexually abusive
acts was to cover-up, not let the authorities know what was happening,
and move the priest to a new assignment.. not necessarily one that
prevented contact with children.
Because *YOU* served honorably in our military you understand the whole
"guy at the top bears the responsibility when things get FUBAR" thing :)
--
L'Chaim
Miriam
In the beginning
the Word already was.
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| User: "bam" |
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01 Jul 2006 08:29:46 AM |
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"Miriam Cohen" <mimiNOgalSPAM@cox.net> wrote in message
news:YRkpg.105312$iU2.74677@fed1read01...
Douglas Berry wrote:
What's so funny about peace, love and "gatt"
<LiveFromTheClocktower@gfy.com> posting the following on Fri, 30 Jun
2006 22:22:38 GMT iin alt.atheism?
"Bill Shatzer" <bshatzerNO@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:BJ6dneBPxMRPPTjZnZ2dnUVZ_r-dnZ2d@comcast.com...
Except there's no evidence suggesting that PJP II ever committed sexual
abuse.
There's no evidence that Hitler ever killed a single Jew, either.
Did the Pope order his Panzer divisions to invade sovereign nations?
Did he order his U-boat crews to fire on merchant marine fleets?
Check me on this.
No, but the top-down policy on priests who commited sexually abusive
acts was to cover-up, not let the authorities know what was happening,
and move the priest to a new assignment.. not necessarily one that
prevented contact with children.
Because *YOU* served honorably in our military you understand the whole
"guy at the top bears the responsibility when things get FUBAR" thing :)
You should be busy chasing pervert rabbis - there are enough of them around.
BAM
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| User: "Bill Shatzer" |
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30 Jun 2006 11:32:30 PM |
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gatt wrote:
"Bill Shatzer" <bshatzerNO@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:BJ6dneBPxMRPPTjZnZ2dnUVZ_r-dnZ2d@comcast.com...
Except there's no evidence suggesting that PJP II ever committed sexual
abuse.
There's no evidence that Hitler ever killed a single Jew, either.
Did the Pope order his Panzer divisions to invade sovereign nations? Did
he order his U-boat crews to fire on merchant marine fleets?
Check me on this.
You are being much too literal again, chris.
The question is NOT whether PJP II ever committed sexual abuse himself
but whether he was complicit - either intentionally or by neglect - in
such conduct by others.
Hitler never killed a single Jew but he was certainly complicit in their
deaths. Similarly, PJP II himself may never have sexually abused anyone
but that would not prevent him from being complicit in sexual abuse
committed by others if he neglected to take reasonable measures to
prevent that from occuring.
If Yamashita could be hanged for failure to control his troops, certainly
PJP II can have his photo ripped for his failure to control his.
Clearly, since that's what happened. But why not take on the actual
pedophiles?
Because there are two separate problems.
The first problem is pedophiles in the clergy. That's not good but it's
pretty much inevitable. Any reasonably large organization - the church,
the boy scouts, hell, General Motors, is inevitiably going to have some
of those among its ranks. The church (or the boy scouts or General
Motors) is not necessarily responsible for that.
But the larger problem is when the organization covers up, protects, and
excuses that sort of behavior and retains such persons not only in the
organization but in positions where they can easily re-offend.
The church (and by extension, the Pope) did little or nothing to deal
with identified and known pedophile priests save to transfer them to
other parishes where they might find a whole new group of victims.
Certainly the Pope had the authority, ability, and power to prevent such
a thing. He did not.
And for that, ripping up a photograph seems a mild enough rebuke.
Peace and justice,
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| User: "bam" |
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01 Jul 2006 08:38:55 AM |
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"Bill Shatzer" <bshatzerNO@comcast.net> wrote
Hitler never killed a single Jew but he was certainly complicit in their
deaths.
Uhhhh.............no. Hitler ORDERED their deaths.
Similarly,
no, unsimilarly..........
PJP II himself may never have sexually abused anyone but that would not
prevent him from being complicit in sexual abuse committed by others if he
neglected to take reasonable measures to prevent that from occuring.
So you're saying Hitler was merely "negligent"? Must you reduce Hitler's
crime to mere negligence in order to sustain the false analogy?
Negligence does not amount to complicity. That's just an accusation.
Negligence means you should have been looking out but you weren't - doesn't
mean you gave it the green light, or were even aware that anything was
wrong.
The church (and by extension, the Pope)
The current Pope? What Pope?
did little or nothing to deal with identified and known pedophile priests
save to transfer them to other parishes where they might find a whole new
group of victims.
Ahhh but they did. They used the modern method and turned them over to
psychiatrists. The psychiatrists then said they were OK and they were wrong.
That's what happened with the bulk of the offenders who were put into
"treatment".
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| User: "Martin" |
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01 Jul 2006 03:30:08 PM |
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bam wrote:
"Bill Shatzer" <bshatzerNO@comcast.net> wrote
Hitler never killed a single Jew but he was certainly complicit in their
deaths.
Uhhhh.............no. Hitler ORDERED their deaths.
Can you prove that by producing a piece of documentation signed by
Hitler authorizing this action? It's a very bold assertion you make, do
you have the evidence to back it up?
Similarly,
no, unsimilarly..........
PJP II himself may never have sexually abused anyone but that would not
prevent him from being complicit in sexual abuse committed by others if he
neglected to take reasonable measures to prevent that from occuring.
So you're saying Hitler was merely "negligent"? Must you reduce Hitler's
crime to mere negligence in order to sustain the false analogy?
Are you saying the pope was negligent? I thought the Vatican's view was
that the pope was infallible.
Negligence does not amount to complicity. That's just an accusation.
Negligence means you should have been looking out but you weren't - doesn't
mean you gave it the green light, or were even aware that anything was
wrong.
errrr what were the Bishops and Cardinals doing shuffling their
pedophiles around then? There are times when the honorable thing to do
is for the head of a corrupt organization to resign and put a stronger
leader in place to sort it out, not carry on as a dithering old wreck
who doesn't even know what day it is.
The church (and by extension, the Pope)
The current Pope? What Pope?
The last 50 years for sure
did little or nothing to deal with identified and known pedophile priests
save to transfer them to other parishes where they might find a whole new
group of victims.
Ahhh but they did. They used the modern method and turned them over to
psychiatrists.
***** you lying *****! Abuse of kids is well documented for at least
50 years. You lying sack of camel dung.
The psychiatrists then said they were OK and they were wrong.
That's what happened with the bulk of the offenders who were put into
"treatment".
Yeah right, and there are NO documented cases of priests being shuffled
from town to town ahead of the flack? You conniving *****.
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| User: "Mike" |
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30 Jun 2006 11:50:50 PM |
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Bill Shatzer wrote:
gatt wrote:
"Bill Shatzer" <bshatzerNO@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:BJ6dneBPxMRPPTjZnZ2dnUVZ_r-dnZ2d@comcast.com...
Except there's no evidence suggesting that PJP II ever committed sexual
abuse.
There's no evidence that Hitler ever killed a single Jew, either.
Did the Pope order his Panzer divisions to invade sovereign nations? Did
he order his U-boat crews to fire on merchant marine fleets?
Check me on this.
You are being much too literal again, chris.
The question is NOT whether PJP II ever committed sexual abuse himself
but whether he was complicit - either intentionally or by neglect - in
such conduct by others.
Hitler never killed a single Jew but he was certainly complicit in their
deaths. Similarly, PJP II himself may never have sexually abused anyone
but that would not prevent him from being complicit in sexual abuse
committed by others if he neglected to take reasonable measures to
prevent that from occuring.
If Yamashita could be hanged for failure to control his troops, certainly
PJP II can have his photo ripped for his failure to control his.
Clearly, since that's what happened. But why not take on the actual
pedophiles?
Because there are two separate problems.
The first problem is pedophiles in the clergy. That's not good but it's
pretty much inevitable. Any reasonably large organization - the church,
the boy scouts, hell, General Motors, is inevitiably going to have some
of those among its ranks. The church (or the boy scouts or General
Motors) is not necessarily responsible for that.
But the larger problem is when the organization covers up, protects, and
excuses that sort of behavior and retains such persons not only in the
organization but in positions where they can easily re-offend.
The church (and by extension, the Pope) did little or nothing to deal
with identified and known pedophile priests save to transfer them to
other parishes where they might find a whole new group of victims.
Certainly the Pope had the authority, ability, and power to prevent such
a thing. He did not.
And for that, ripping up a photograph seems a mild enough rebuke.
Peace and justice,
Right! If Pope JP II had responded differently to the revelation of
wide-spread sexual abuse, he would get more sympathy and consideration
now. Instead of receiving a wake-up call that the church had serious
institutional problems, the Catholic church went into a cover-up mode
worthy of Richard Nixon.
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| User: "Harold Burton" |
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06 Jul 2006 08:54:31 PM |
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In article <BJ6dneBPxMRPPTjZnZ2dnUVZ_r-dnZ2d@comcast.com>,
Bill Shatzer <bshatzerNO@comcast.net> wrote:
There's no evidence that Hitler....
Yawn. Godwin was right.
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| User: "stoney" |
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06 Jul 2006 12:45:48 PM |
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On Fri, 30 Jun 2006 15:08:49 -0700, Bill Shatzer
<bshatzerNO@comcast.net> wrote in alt.atheism
gatt wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting *****"
<eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in message wiki/Sin%C3%
She was singing an a cappella version of Bob Marley's "War" to protest
sexual abuse in the Roman Catholic Church [1], and added a lyric about
"sexual abuse." She then presented a photo of Pope John Paul II to the
camera and, saying "fight the real enemy," tore it.
Except there's no evidence suggesting that PJP II ever committed sexual
abuse.
There's no evidence that Hitler ever killed a single Jew, either.
Accusing somebody of sex crimes on live national television, without proof,
is never a good idea.
You are being entirely too literal chris.
Certainly much more so than Sinead intended.
There is ample evidence that the catholic church, under John Paul,
tolerated and covered up pedophilic sex crimes. And did little enough
about it even after the problem was, or should have been, well
recognized at the highest levels of the Vatican.
And the Poop's reaction was concern about minimizing the drop in
revenues.
If Yamashita could be hanged for failure to control his troops,
certainly PJP II can have his photo ripped for his failure to control his.
Peace and justice,
Is not the Christian and Muslim superstition's way.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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| User: "gatt" |
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06 Jul 2006 12:59:16 PM |
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"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote in message
news:i0jqa298id7i4ef25vbu8g3gq2n9amnrcg@4ax.com...
Except there's no evidence suggesting that PJP II ever committed sexual
abuse.
There's no evidence that Hitler ever killed a single Jew, either.
That's fucking ridiculous. So other than ordering the construction of and
then touring concentration camps, railing about Juden and sending his
Stormtroopers to police than up and contain them...
Tell me, did the Pope tour child molestation camps?
Absolutely asinine.
-c
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| User: "Harold Burton" |
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06 Jul 2006 08:55:44 PM |
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In article <Ubcrg.4978$Oh1.1868@news01.roc.ny>,
"gatt" <LiveFromTheClocktower@gfy.com> wrote:
"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote in message
news:i0jqa298id7i4ef25vbu8g3gq2n9amnrcg@4ax.com...
Except there's no evidence suggesting that PJP II ever committed sexual
abuse.
There's no evidence that Hitler ever killed a single Jew, either.
That's fucking ridiculous.
Of course it is, it's a Shatz post.
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| User: "Yang, AthD h.c, Kicking AWOLs Cocaine Snorting Ass" |
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07 Jul 2006 09:53:10 AM |
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On Thu, 06 Jul 2006 17:59:16 GMT, "gatt"
<LiveFromTheClocktower@gfy.com> wrote:
"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote in message
news:i0jqa298id7i4ef25vbu8g3gq2n9amnrcg@4ax.com...
Except there's no evidence suggesting that PJP II ever committed sexual
abuse.
There's no evidence that Hitler ever killed a single Jew, either.
That's fucking ridiculous. So other than ordering the construction of and
then touring concentration camps, railing about Juden and sending his
Stormtroopers to police than up and contain them...
Tell me, did the Pope tour child molestation camps?
Every time he visited one of the pedophile priests' places and
pretended not to see evil.
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Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division
The Bush 'balanced' budget: 2 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: 12.5 million FEWER jobs than Clinton and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -2539 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
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"Ahhhhhh, yessssssss, ummmmmmm - Alito, Alito, Alito"
-duke (duckgumbo@cox.net), aka PedophilEarl J Weber, 59
year old mateless, heirless biological failure
of Afton Oaks Apartment, Baton Rouge,who pussied
out of the Vietnam draft, showing his gay side
despite his avowed anti-gay bigotry
Contact duke's priest and ask
him why duke is such a racist:
http://www.stpatrickbr.org/
Father Gerard "Jerry" Martin
stpatrickbr<AT>bellsouth<DOT>net
Saint Patrick Catholic Church
12424 Brogdon Lane
Baton Rouge, Louisiana 70816
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| User: "Bill Shatzer" |
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| Title: Re: Turns Out Sinead O'Connor Was Right to Rip on the Pope |
06 Jul 2006 05:09:48 PM |
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gatt wrote:
"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote in message
news:i0jqa298id7i4ef25vbu8g3gq2n9amnrcg@4ax.com...
Except there's no evidence suggesting that PJP II ever committed sexual
abuse.
There's no evidence that Hitler ever killed a single Jew, either.
That's fucking ridiculous. So other than ordering the construction of and
then touring concentration camps, railing about Juden and sending his
Stormtroopers to police than up and contain them...
Hitler never "toured" a concentration camp. Or even visited one.
Nor is there any evidence that he ordered their construction.
Which is not to exculpate him or denegrate his role in the holocaust.
His role was more that of Henry II in the murder of Thomas Beckett -
"will no one rid me of this meddlesome priest?"
He left no doubt as to his wishes in the matter (to be rid of these
accursed Jews - somehow, someway, he didn't much care how) and his
toadies were more than happy to take it from there to its logical
conclusion.
But he, himself, distanced himself quite well from the entire
undertaking and didn't leave many fingerprints.
Tell me, did the Pope tour child molestation camps?
Apparently so. His first US visit was to the Boston Archdiocese.
Which turns out to have been one of the worst offenders.
Peace and justice,
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| User: "gatt" |
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06 Jul 2006 05:50:32 PM |
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"Bill Shatzer" <bshatzerNO@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:dPqdnW0s2IiyFzDZnZ2dnUVZ_t-dnZ2d@comcast.com...
Which is not to exculpate him or denegrate his role in the holocaust.
Right. And it's ridiculous to compare the Pope to Hitler.
Tell me, did the Pope tour child molestation camps?
Apparently so. His first US visit was to the Boston Archdiocese.
DOH! Good one, Bill.
-c
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| User: "Lobby Dosser" |
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07 Jul 2006 04:37:20 AM |
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Bill Shatzer <bshatzerNO@comcast.net> wrote:
Tell me, did the Pope tour child molestation camps?
Apparently so. His first US visit was to the Boston Archdiocese.
Which turns out to have been one of the worst offenders.
ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!
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