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"Not-easily-duped" |
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01 Dec 2004 08:09:51 AM |
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Two Parallel Apostolic Traditions: Catholic And Islamic |
By naming the four narratives Gospels, they succeded to steal your mind
and put you in their doctrinal box. Your are thus doomed to parrot them
without a mind of your own.
But a close reading of the Qur'an could help you break that spell.
Did you ever wonder why the meaning of the word APOSTLE varies
from Catholicism to Islam?
For Catholicism Peter is an Apostle whose successor is the POPE.
For Islam however, the true Apostle of God is Jesus as the Messiah/Christ
sent by God to mankind, and Mohammad is his successor...Thus is fulfilled
Deut 18:15 which states that MESSIAH/CHRIST is a Prophet like Moses.
Who is right and who is wrong? Who has the true Apostolic Tradition,
Catholicism or Islam? God knows best.
Remember that Jesus was circumcised on the 8th day
according to the costum of Moses wa Abraham and centered his life around
the requirements of the first covenant,and so did John the Baptist and
Zackaria and the 12 disciples, and the present day Muslims are walking in
their paths.
By the way, Apostle means the One sent.
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| Title: Re: Two Parallel Apostolic Traditions: Catholic And Islamic |
02 Dec 2004 04:25:48 PM |
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<< Subject: Two Parallel Apostolic Traditions: Catholic And Islamic
From: (Not-easily-duped)
Date: Wed, Dec 1, 2004 9:09 AM
Message-id: <bbba7302.0412010609.6c7209e@posting.google.com>
By naming the four narratives Gospels, they succeded to steal your mind
and put you in their doctrinal box. Your are thus doomed to parrot them
without a mind of your own.
But a close reading of the Qur'an could help you break that spell.
Did you ever wonder why the meaning of the word APOSTLE varies
from Catholicism to Islam?
For Catholicism Peter is an Apostle whose successor is the POPE.
For Islam however, the true Apostle of God is Jesus as the Messiah/Christ
sent by God to mankind, and Mohammad is his successor...Thus is fulfilled
Deut 18:15 which states that MESSIAH/CHRIST is a Prophet like Moses.
Who is right and who is wrong? Who has the true Apostolic Tradition,
Catholicism or Islam? God knows best.
Remember that Jesus was circumcised on the 8th day
according to the costum of Moses wa Abraham and centered his life around
the requirements of the first covenant,and so did John the Baptist and
Zackaria and the 12 disciples, and the present day Muslims are walking in
their paths.
By the way, Apostle means the One sent.
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| User: "smedley" |
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| Title: Re: Two Parallel Apostolic Traditions: Catholic And Islamic |
06 Dec 2004 01:28:27 AM |
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| User: "learner" |
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| Title: Re: Two Parallel Apostolic Traditions: Catholic And Islamic |
01 Dec 2004 12:22:39 PM |
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(Not-easily-duped) wrote in message news:<bbba7302.0412010609.6c7209e@posting.google.com>...
By naming the four narratives Gospels, they succeded to steal your mind
and put you in their doctrinal box. Your are thus doomed to parrot them
without a mind of your own.
Huh? Are Muslim any different when they parrot the Qur'an?
But a close reading of the Qur'an could help you break that spell.
No, the Qur'an adds nothing to understanding the Bible.
Did you ever wonder why the meaning of the word APOSTLE varies
from Catholicism to Islam?
Because they are two different words. Even in Arabic the words are
different. The term "rasul" (apostle/messenger) is applied to Muhammad
where the Qur'an calls the followers of Jesus "hawari" which is
derived from the Ethiopic word "hara" - "to go".
For Catholicism Peter is an Apostle whose successor is the POPE.
OK.....
For Islam however, the true Apostle of God is Jesus as the Messiah/Christ
sent by God to mankind, and Mohammad is his successor...Thus is fulfilled
Deut 18:15 which states that MESSIAH/CHRIST is a Prophet like Moses.
But Jesus never called Himself an Apostle.
Who is right and who is wrong? Who has the true Apostolic Tradition,
Catholicism or Islam? God knows best.
I think that most of us, aside from you, know!
Learner
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| User: "Not-easily-duped" |
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| Title: Re: Two Parallel Apostolic Traditions: Catholic And Islamic |
01 Dec 2004 09:19:24 PM |
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(learner) wrote in message
Because they are two different words. Even in Arabic the words are
different. The term "rasul" (apostle/messenger) is applied to Muhammad
where the Qur'an calls the followers of Jesus "hawari" which is
derived from the Ethiopic word "hara" - "to go".
Islam doesn't refer to the 12 as apostles but as disciples.
You are making my point.
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| User: "wbarwell" |
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| Title: Re: Two Parallel Apostolic Traditions: Catholic And Islamic |
02 Dec 2004 12:51:44 AM |
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Not-easily-duped wrote:
nat1995@hotmail.com (learner) wrote in message
Because they are two different words. Even in Arabic the words are
different. The term "rasul" (apostle/messenger) is applied to Muhammad
where the Qur'an calls the followers of Jesus "hawari" which is
derived from the Ethiopic word "hara" - "to go".
Islam doesn't refer to the 12 as apostles but as disciples.
You are making my point.
Islam is wrong. In the NT it is apostles, "he who is sent", delegate.
Which is different from disciple, of which there were many more than 12
apostles and a disciple is different.
Mohammed didn't really know anything.
You know even less.
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Kerry - two medals a silver and bronze star.
Bush? Well they don't give medals
for going AWOL, missing your medical and
getting grounded or falling off of a bar stool.
Kerry - a hero, Bush - a zero
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| User: "SDesk" |
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| Title: Re: Two Parallel Apostolic Traditions: Catholic And Islamic |
02 Dec 2004 02:32:22 PM |
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Not-easily-duped wrote:
| (learner) wrote in message
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|| Because they are two different words. Even in Arabic the words are
|| different. The term "rasul" (apostle/messenger) is applied to Muhammad
|| where the Qur'an calls the followers of Jesus "hawari" which is
|| derived from the Ethiopic word "hara" - "to go".
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| Islam doesn't refer to the 12 as apostles but as disciples.
| You are making my point.
No one gives a flying you-know-what about Islam. Except the apsects of it
that make it a dangerous cult. Take your kkkoran and the sunnah and your
hadiths and jump off a bridge. Whooops, that is, if your Islamic friends
haven't blown it up yet.
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| User: "Not-easily-duped" |
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01 Dec 2004 09:16:47 PM |
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(learner) wrote in message news:<c53bb03c.0412011022.73134910@posting.google.com>...
Codebreaker@bigsecret.com (Not-easily-duped) wrote in message news:<bbba7302.0412010609.6c7209e@posting.google.com>...
By naming the four narratives Gospels, they succeded to steal your mind
and put you in their doctrinal box. Your are thus doomed to parrot them
without a mind of your own.
Huh? Are Muslim any different when they parrot the Qur'an?
But a close reading of the Qur'an could help you break that spell.
No, the Qur'an adds nothing to understanding the Bible.
Did you ever wonder why the meaning of the word APOSTLE varies
from Catholicism to Islam?
Because they are two different words. Even in Arabic the words are
different. The term "rasul" (apostle/messenger) is applied to Muhammad
where the Qur'an calls the followers of Jesus "hawari" which is
derived from the Ethiopic word "hara" - "to go".
For Catholicism Peter is an Apostle whose successor is the POPE.
OK.....
For Islam however, the true Apostle of God is Jesus as the Messiah/Christ
sent by God to mankind, and Mohammad is his successor...Thus is fulfilled
Deut 18:15 which states that MESSIAH/CHRIST is a Prophet like Moses.
But Jesus never called Himself an Apostle.
How do you know?
Even in His Acts misnamed Gospels, I think he said something like this:
"As the father sent me, so I send you."
Apostle means the one sent.
Who is right and who is wrong? Who has the true Apostolic Tradition,
Catholicism or Islam? God knows best.
I think that most of us, aside from you, know!
Learner
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| User: "Not-easily-duped" |
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| Title: Re: Two Parallel Apostolic Traditions: Catholic And Islamic |
01 Dec 2004 09:25:14 PM |
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(learner) wrote in message news:<c53bb03c.0412011022.73134910@posting.google.com>...
Codebreaker@bigsecret.com (Not-easily-duped) wrote in message news:<bbba7302.0412010609.6c7209e@posting.google.com>...
By naming the four narratives Gospels, they succeded to steal your mind
and put you in their doctrinal box. Your are thus doomed to parrot them
without a mind of your own.
Huh? Are Muslim any different when they parrot the Qur'an?
But a close reading of the Qur'an could help you break that spell.
No, the Qur'an adds nothing to understanding the Bible.
For the Qur'an, Jesus fulfilled the Mosaic prophecy in Deut 18:15
which states that Messiah/Christ is a prophet like Moses.
I bet you did not know where to go to justify that Jesus was the Messiah.
Thank for the Qur'an we all know now.
The Qur'an correct your erreneous use of "Son Of God".
If This is not adding something then what is it?
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| User: "Jeff" |
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| Title: Re: Two Parallel Apostolic Traditions: Catholic And Islamic |
01 Dec 2004 11:38:55 PM |
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"Not-easily-duped" <Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> wrote in message
news:bbba7302.0412011925.4d457838@posting.google.com...
nat1995@hotmail.com (learner) wrote in message
news:<c53bb03c.0412011022.73134910@posting.google.com>...
Codebreaker@bigsecret.com (Not-easily-duped) wrote in message
news:<bbba7302.0412010609.6c7209e@posting.google.com>...
By naming the four narratives Gospels, they succeded to steal your
mind
and put you in their doctrinal box. Your are thus doomed to parrot
them
without a mind of your own.
Huh? Are Muslim any different when they parrot the Qur'an?
But a close reading of the Qur'an could help you break that spell.
No, the Qur'an adds nothing to understanding the Bible.
For the Qur'an, Jesus fulfilled the Mosaic prophecy in Deut 18:15
which states that Messiah/Christ is a prophet like Moses.
I bet you did not know where to go to justify that Jesus was the Messiah.
Thank for the Qur'an we all know now.
The Qur'an correct your erreneous use of "Son Of God".
If This is not adding something then what is it?
Hmmmm! Muslims insist the bible is corrupted, so why are you stating the
Quran validates a Mosaic prophecy from the bible? Why is that prophecy not
corrupted? If one uses the Quran to validate a portion of the bible said to
be corrupted then that would mean that the Quran is also corrupted.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Two Parallel Apostolic Traditions: Catholic And Islamic |
09 Dec 2004 05:15:20 PM |
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Jeff wrote:
"Not-easily-duped" <Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> wrote in message
news:bbba7302.0412011925.4d457838@posting.google.com...
nat1995@hotmail.com (learner) wrote in message
news:<c53bb03c.0412011022.73134910@posting.google.com>...
Codebreaker@bigsecret.com (Not-easily-duped) wrote in message
news:<bbba7302.0412010609.6c7209e@posting.google.com>...
By naming the four narratives Gospels, they succeded to steal
your
mind
and put you in their doctrinal box. Your are thus doomed to
parrot
them
without a mind of your own.
Huh? Are Muslim any different when they parrot the Qur'an?
But a close reading of the Qur'an could help you break that
spell.
No, the Qur'an adds nothing to understanding the Bible.
For the Qur'an, Jesus fulfilled the Mosaic prophecy in Deut 18:15
which states that Messiah/Christ is a prophet like Moses.
I bet you did not know where to go to justify that Jesus was the
Messiah.
Thank for the Qur'an we all know now.
The Qur'an correct your erreneous use of "Son Of God".
If This is not adding something then what is it?
Hmmmm! Muslims insist the bible is corrupted, so why are you
stating the
Quran validates a Mosaic prophecy from the bible? Why is that
prophecy not
corrupted? If one uses the Quran to validate a portion of the bible
said to
be corrupted then that would mean that the Quran is also corrupted.
And this is the point I am trying to make. Anything Muslims said is
not
validated in their Scripture which is the first Authority.
Is this not surprising. Why do they make up stories?
That is another issue....
If you had taken time to check the Qur'an for yoursel, you would have
faulted them long ago.
Where does a naive person like you get any clue?
The "Qur'an" nowhere says that the Bible is corrupted.
You can not say that Jesus is the Messiah/Christ foretold by Moses
and at the same time talks about corruption.
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| User: "Jeff" |
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| Title: Re: Two Parallel Apostolic Traditions: Catholic And Islamic |
09 Dec 2004 08:22:22 PM |
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<Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> wrote in message
news:1102634120.358623.151240@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
Jeff wrote:
"Not-easily-duped" <Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> wrote in message
news:bbba7302.0412011925.4d457838@posting.google.com...
nat1995@hotmail.com (learner) wrote in message
news:<c53bb03c.0412011022.73134910@posting.google.com>...
Codebreaker@bigsecret.com (Not-easily-duped) wrote in message
news:<bbba7302.0412010609.6c7209e@posting.google.com>...
By naming the four narratives Gospels, they succeded to steal
your
mind
and put you in their doctrinal box. Your are thus doomed to
parrot
them
without a mind of your own.
Huh? Are Muslim any different when they parrot the Qur'an?
But a close reading of the Qur'an could help you break that
spell.
No, the Qur'an adds nothing to understanding the Bible.
For the Qur'an, Jesus fulfilled the Mosaic prophecy in Deut 18:15
which states that Messiah/Christ is a prophet like Moses.
I bet you did not know where to go to justify that Jesus was the
Messiah.
Thank for the Qur'an we all know now.
The Qur'an correct your erreneous use of "Son Of God".
If This is not adding something then what is it?
Hmmmm! Muslims insist the bible is corrupted, so why are you
stating the
Quran validates a Mosaic prophecy from the bible? Why is that
prophecy not
corrupted? If one uses the Quran to validate a portion of the bible
said to
be corrupted then that would mean that the Quran is also corrupted.
And this is the point I am trying to make. Anything Muslims said is
not
validated in their Scripture which is the first Authority.
Is this not surprising. Why do they make up stories?
That is another issue....
If you had taken time to check the Qur'an for yoursel, you would have
faulted them long ago.
Where does a naive person like you get any clue?
The "Qur'an" nowhere says that the Bible is corrupted.
You can not say that Jesus is the Messiah/Christ foretold by Moses
and at the same time talks about corruption.
The Old Testament is basically a history of the Jewish people. The Quran
was created after the fact and bases it's existence upon changing the
history of another culture. If one desires to be a Muslim then so be it,
that is their choice, However, to base your belief upon a rewrite of the
history of another culture is wrong and leads to nothing more than hatred of
that culture.
You are blind, as it is the Quran that is corrupted and based upon a false
premise. I stand by my accusation that Muslims are quick to use the bible
to support their position when they find it convenient. For some reason,
the bible is miraculously correct when Muslims wish to select a portion to
validate their position and all other times it is corrupt. Regardless of
whether you do or do not believe in God as defined by Judiasm, you still
have to agree that the God of the bible chose the Jewish people as a select
group. You may not agree with it and that is fine. However, Muslims have
taken the God of Jewish Israel and attempted to remake Him into their
Arabian God. And you wonder why Muslims cause so much distrust and anger
from non Muslims.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Two Parallel Apostolic Traditions: Catholic And Islamic |
11 Dec 2004 03:37:21 PM |
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Jeff wrote:
<Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> wrote in message
news:1102634120.358623.151240@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
Jeff wrote:
"Not-easily-duped" <Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> wrote in message
news:bbba7302.0412011925.4d457838@posting.google.com...
nat1995@hotmail.com (learner) wrote in message
news:<c53bb03c.0412011022.73134910@posting.google.com>...
Codebreaker@bigsecret.com (Not-easily-duped) wrote in message
news:<bbba7302.0412010609.6c7209e@posting.google.com>...
By naming the four narratives Gospels, they succeded to
steal
your
mind
and put you in their doctrinal box. Your are thus doomed
to
parrot
them
without a mind of your own.
Huh? Are Muslim any different when they parrot the Qur'an?
But a close reading of the Qur'an could help you break
that
spell.
No, the Qur'an adds nothing to understanding the Bible.
For the Qur'an, Jesus fulfilled the Mosaic prophecy in Deut
18:15
which states that Messiah/Christ is a prophet like Moses.
I bet you did not know where to go to justify that Jesus was
the
Messiah.
Thank for the Qur'an we all know now.
The Qur'an correct your erreneous use of "Son Of God".
If This is not adding something then what is it?
Hmmmm! Muslims insist the bible is corrupted, so why are you
stating the
Quran validates a Mosaic prophecy from the bible? Why is that
prophecy not
corrupted? If one uses the Quran to validate a portion of the
bible
said to
be corrupted then that would mean that the Quran is also
corrupted.
And this is the point I am trying to make. Anything Muslims said is
not
validated in their Scripture which is the first Authority.
Is this not surprising. Why do they make up stories?
That is another issue....
If you had taken time to check the Qur'an for yoursel, you would
have
faulted them long ago.
Where does a naive person like you get any clue?
The "Qur'an" nowhere says that the Bible is corrupted.
You can not say that Jesus is the Messiah/Christ foretold by Moses
and at the same time talks about corruption.
The Old Testament is basically a history of the Jewish people. The
Quran
was created after the fact and bases it's existence upon changing the
history of another culture. If one desires to be a Muslim then so be
it,
that is their choice, However, to base your belief upon a rewrite of
the
history of another culture is wrong and leads to nothing more than
hatred of
that culture.
You are blind, as it is the Quran that is corrupted and based upon a
false
premise. I stand by my accusation that Muslims are quick to use the
bible
to support their position when they find it convenient. For some
reason,
the bible is miraculously correct when Muslims wish to select a
portion to
validate their position and all other times it is corrupt.
Regardless of
whether you do or do not believe in God as defined by Judiasm, you
still
have to agree that the God of the bible chose the Jewish people as a
select
group. You may not agree with it and that is fine. However, Muslims
have
taken the God of Jewish Israel and attempted to remake Him into their
Arabian God. And you wonder why Muslims cause so much distrust and
anger
from non Muslims.
Nowhere in the "Qur'an" the jewish history is rewritten.
It was Ibn Ishaq in his "Seera Rassul Allah" who attempted to rewrite
that history for copyright reason.In reading Ibn Ishaq, it is easy to
spot what he was trying to do. To pass off Theolgy as history.
But we are not fooled.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Two Parallel Apostolic Traditions: Catholic And Islamic |
11 Dec 2004 03:21:56 PM |
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Jeff wrote:
<Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> wrote in message
news:1102634120.358623.151240@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
Jeff wrote:
"Not-easily-duped" <Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> wrote in message
news:bbba7302.0412011925.4d457838@posting.google.com...
nat1995@hotmail.com (learner) wrote in message
news:<c53bb03c.0412011022.73134910@posting.google.com>...
Codebreaker@bigsecret.com (Not-easily-duped) wrote in message
news:<bbba7302.0412010609.6c7209e@posting.google.com>...
By naming the four narratives Gospels, they succeded to
steal
your
mind
and put you in their doctrinal box. Your are thus doomed
to
parrot
them
without a mind of your own.
Huh? Are Muslim any different when they parrot the Qur'an?
But a close reading of the Qur'an could help you break
that
spell.
No, the Qur'an adds nothing to understanding the Bible.
For the Qur'an, Jesus fulfilled the Mosaic prophecy in Deut
18:15
which states that Messiah/Christ is a prophet like Moses.
I bet you did not know where to go to justify that Jesus was
the
Messiah.
Thank for the Qur'an we all know now.
The Qur'an correct your erreneous use of "Son Of God".
If This is not adding something then what is it?
Hmmmm! Muslims insist the bible is corrupted, so why are you
stating the
Quran validates a Mosaic prophecy from the bible? Why is that
prophecy not
corrupted? If one uses the Quran to validate a portion of the
bible
said to
be corrupted then that would mean that the Quran is also
corrupted.
And this is the point I am trying to make. Anything Muslims said is
not
validated in their Scripture which is the first Authority.
Is this not surprising. Why do they make up stories?
That is another issue....
If you had taken time to check the Qur'an for yoursel, you would
have
faulted them long ago.
Where does a naive person like you get any clue?
The "Qur'an" nowhere says that the Bible is corrupted.
You can not say that Jesus is the Messiah/Christ foretold by Moses
and at the same time talks about corruption.
The Old Testament is basically a history of the Jewish people. The
Quran
was created after the fact and bases it's existence upon changing the
history of another culture. If one desires to be a Muslim then so be
it,
that is their choice, However, to base your belief upon a rewrite of
the
history of another culture is wrong and leads to nothing more than
hatred of
that culture.
You are blind, as it is the Quran that is corrupted and based upon a
false
premise. I stand by my accusation that Muslims are quick to use the
bible
to support their position when they find it convenient. For some
reason,
the bible is miraculously correct when Muslims wish to select a
portion to
validate their position and all other times it is corrupt.
Regardless of
whether you do or do not believe in God as defined by Judiasm, you
still
have to agree that the God of the bible chose the Jewish people as a
select
group. You may not agree with it and that is fine. However, Muslims
have
taken the God of Jewish Israel and attempted to remake Him into their
Arabian God. And you wonder why Muslims cause so much distrust and
anger
from non Muslims.
You are not making any point at all...
Are we talking about the Torah or the Old Testament?
Though the Torah/Law is a part of the old Testament,
it does not make the whole of it...
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Two Parallel Apostolic Traditions: Catholic And Islamic |
08 Dec 2004 09:08:25 PM |
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Jeff wrote:
"Not-easily-duped" <Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> wrote in message
news:bbba7302.0412011925.4d457838@posting.google.com...
nat1995@hotmail.com (learner) wrote in message
news:<c53bb03c.0412011022.73134910@posting.google.com>...
Codebreaker@bigsecret.com (Not-easily-duped) wrote in message
news:<bbba7302.0412010609.6c7209e@posting.google.com>...
By naming the four narratives Gospels, they succeded to steal
your
mind
and put you in their doctrinal box. Your are thus doomed to
parrot
them
without a mind of your own.
Huh? Are Muslim any different when they parrot the Qur'an?
But a close reading of the Qur'an could help you break that
spell.
No, the Qur'an adds nothing to understanding the Bible.
For the Qur'an, Jesus fulfilled the Mosaic prophecy in Deut 18:15
which states that Messiah/Christ is a prophet like Moses.
I bet you did not know where to go to justify that Jesus was the
Messiah.
Thank for the Qur'an we all know now.
The Qur'an correct your erreneous use of "Son Of God".
If This is not adding something then what is it?
Hmmmm! Muslims insist the bible is corrupted, so why are you
stating the
Quran validates a Mosaic prophecy from the bible? Why is that
prophecy not
corrupted? If one uses the Quran to validate a portion of the bible
said to
be corrupted then that would mean that the Quran is also corrupted.
Did they back it up with a quranic text?
If not why do you believe them?
or are you just reporting a hearsay?
Where in the Islamic Scriptures is it written that the Bible is
corrupted?
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| Title: Re: Two Parallel Apostolic Traditions: Catholic And Islamic |
01 Dec 2004 12:19:12 PM |
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(Not-easily-duped) wrote:
Who is right and who is wrong? Who has the true Apostolic Tradition,
Catholicism or Islam?
Hey Dupie, do you have the slightest evidence that Islam preserves any
traditions from the early days of Christianity which are INDEPENDENT
of the traditions of the Christian churches?? I didn't think so!
the requirements of the first covenant... the present day Muslims
Muslims circumcise males, don't eat pork, and prefer to eat meat from
animals which have been killed in a particular way -- but this hardly
makes them Jews!
By the way, Apostle means the One sent.
Would you translate that into Arabic as Rasuul or Mursal?
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سنقاتل لأجل
حريتنا ولن
نعطي الجزية
ولسنا صاغرين
Murderers are not martyrs! http://symbolictruth.fateback.com/
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| Title: Re: Two Parallel Apostolic Traditions: Catholic And Islamic |
01 Dec 2004 09:10:12 PM |
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AnonMoos <anonmoos@io.com> wrote in message news:<41AE0B20.7E478A9C@io.com>...
Codebreaker@bigsecret.com (Not-easily-duped) wrote:
Who is right and who is wrong? Who has the true Apostolic Tradition,
Catholicism or Islam?
Hey Dupie, do you have the slightest evidence that Islam preserves any
traditions from the early days of Christianity which are INDEPENDENT
of the traditions of the Christian churches?? I didn't think so!
the requirements of the first covenant... the present day Muslims
Muslims circumcise males, don't eat pork, and prefer to eat meat from
animals which have been killed in a particular way -- but this hardly
makes them Jews!
And that is the point Paul made in his epistle to the Romans.They are not jews,
Yet they live according to the customs of Moses reinterpreted for them.
If you can not see that the Quranic author is recycling Moses Laws, then
you know nothing about religion.
By the way, Apostle means the One sent.
Would you translate that into Arabic as Rasuul or Mursal?
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| User: "Not-easily-duped" |
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| Title: Re: Two Parallel Apostolic Traditions: Catholic And Islamic |
01 Dec 2004 09:02:07 PM |
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AnonMoos <anonmoos@io.com> wrote in message news:<41AE0B20.7E478A9C@io.com>...
Codebreaker@bigsecret.com (Not-easily-duped) wrote:
Who is right and who is wrong? Who has the true Apostolic Tradition,
Catholicism or Islam?
Hey Dupie, do you have the slightest evidence that Islam preserves any
traditions from the early days of Christianity which are INDEPENDENT
of the traditions of the Christian churches?? I didn't think so!
Church means community of believers.
Christian means believer in God who accepts Jesus as Christ/Messiah
of Israel.
You wrongly assume that any jew who accept Jesus as the Messiah/Christ of
Israel has to give up his jewishness and become gentile, but theology,
Bible and history get you wrong. Countless of Jews thought that Jesus
was the Messiah/Christ yet they were not baptized, they circumcised their
boys even the Bible says they chose to be faithful to the Torah.
The Qur'an makes the same claim.
It is you who are clueless.
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| User: "SDesk" |
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| Title: Re: Two Parallel Apostolic Traditions: Catholic And Islamic |
02 Dec 2004 05:33:44 PM |
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Not-easily-duped wrote:
| AnonMoos <anonmoos@io.com> wrote in message
| news:<41AE0B20.7E478A9C@io.com>...
|| (Not-easily-duped) wrote:
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||| Who is right and who is wrong? Who has the true Apostolic Tradition,
||| Catholicism or Islam?
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|| Hey Dupie, do you have the slightest evidence that Islam preserves any
|| traditions from the early days of Christianity which are INDEPENDENT
|| of the traditions of the Christian churches?? I didn't think so!
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| Church means community of believers.
| Christian means believer in God who accepts Jesus as Christ/Messiah
| of Israel.
| You wrongly assume that any jew who accept Jesus as the Messiah/Christ of
| Israel has to give up his jewishness and become gentile, but theology,
| Bible and history get you wrong. Countless of Jews thought that Jesus
| was the Messiah/Christ yet they were not baptized, they circumcised their
| boys even the Bible says they chose to be faithful to the Torah.
| The Qur'an makes the same claim.
| It is you who are clueless.
No, you are mistaken. They were/are no longer to try to justify themselves
before God. Rather they were/are to accept justification by their Faith in
Jesus who is God. Not by works. Not by anything you can do. But throught the
power of the Living God: Jesus.
Circumcision is no longer necessary (barring as a medical procedure). Why go
back to doggy's dung?
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Two Parallel Apostolic Traditions: Catholic And Islamic |
08 Dec 2004 09:13:59 PM |
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SDesk wrote:
Not-easily-duped wrote:
| AnonMoos <anonmoos@io.com> wrote in message
| news:<41AE0B20.7E478A9C@io.com>...
|| (Not-easily-duped) wrote:
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||| Who is right and who is wrong? Who has the true Apostolic
Tradition,
||| Catholicism or Islam?
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|| Hey Dupie, do you have the slightest evidence that Islam preserves
any
|| traditions from the early days of Christianity which are
INDEPENDENT
|| of the traditions of the Christian churches?? I didn't think so!
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| Church means community of believers.
| Christian means believer in God who accepts Jesus as Christ/Messiah
| of Israel.
| You wrongly assume that any jew who accept Jesus as the
Messiah/Christ of
| Israel has to give up his jewishness and become gentile, but
theology,
| Bible and history get you wrong. Countless of Jews thought that
Jesus
| was the Messiah/Christ yet they were not baptized, they circumcised
their
| boys even the Bible says they chose to be faithful to the Torah.
| The Qur'an makes the same claim.
| It is you who are clueless.
No, you are mistaken. They were/are no longer to try to justify
themselves
before God. Rather they were/are to accept justification by their
Faith in
Jesus who is God. Not by works. Not by anything you can do. But
throught the
power of the Living God: Jesus.
Circumcision is no longer necessary (barring as a medical procedure).
Why go
back to doggy's dung?
Go and tell this to the Jew-Christians who forced Paul to circumcise
Timothy, not me.
I am not sure if you got my point.
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| User: "Al" |
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| Title: Re: Two Parallel Apostolic Traditions: Catholic And Islamic |
01 Dec 2004 08:19:12 AM |
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Hava Nagelia, Hava Nagelia, Hava Negelia Dance, Everyone Dance...
http://www.saxman.com/midi/saxmidis/Hava%5Enag.mid
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| User: "Tukla Ratte" |
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| Title: Re: Two Parallel Apostolic Traditions: Catholic And Islamic |
01 Dec 2004 04:09:31 PM |
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Not-easily-duped wrote:
By naming the four narratives Gospels, they succeded to steal your mind
and put you in their doctrinal box. Your are thus doomed to parrot them
without a mind of your own.
Who is this "you"? 'Cuz it certainly isn't me.
< snip >
--
Tukla, Eater of Theists, Squeaker of Chew Toys
Official Mascot of Alt.Atheism, aa 1347
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| User: "SDesk" |
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| Title: Re: Two Parallel Apostolic Traditions: Catholic And Islamic |
01 Dec 2004 05:15:36 PM |
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Not-easily-duped wrote:
| By naming the four narratives Gospels, they succeded to steal your mind
| and put you in their doctrinal box. Your are thus doomed to parrot them
| without a mind of your own.
| But a close reading of the Qur'an could help you break that spell.
| Did you ever wonder why the meaning of the word APOSTLE varies
| from Catholicism to Islam?
| For Catholicism Peter is an Apostle whose successor is the POPE.
| For Islam however, the true Apostle of God is Jesus as the Messiah/Christ
| sent by God to mankind, and Mohammad is his successor...Thus is fulfilled
| Deut 18:15 which states that MESSIAH/CHRIST is a Prophet like Moses.
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| Who is right and who is wrong? Who has the true Apostolic Tradition,
| Catholicism or Islam? God knows best.
| Remember that Jesus was circumcised on the 8th day
| according to the costum of Moses wa Abraham and centered his life around
| the requirements of the first covenant,and so did John the Baptist and
| Zackaria and the 12 disciples, and the present day Muslims are walking in
| their paths.
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| By the way, Apostle means the One sent.
Hey, Not-easily-duped (but duped nevertheless), Jesus the Messiah/Christ has
a successor and his name is Mohammed ? Why would the Messiah/Christ need a
successor? Maybe you should re-read those Gospels ..
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| User: "towelie" |
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| Title: Re: Two Parallel Apostolic Traditions: Catholic And Islamic |
01 Dec 2004 10:40:28 AM |
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TV's Not-easily-duped wrote:
Who is right
Neither of them.
and who is wrong?
Both of them.
Thank you, drive through.
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"Them white boys had me on crystal meth" - some crackhead in GTA:SA
aa #2133
ap #19
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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| Title: Re: Two Parallel Apostolic Traditions: Catholic And Islamic |
01 Dec 2004 12:27:30 PM |
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on 01 Dec 2004 in alt.atheism, Not-easily-duped dropped trou, farted,
whirled, then shouted:
By naming the four narratives Gospels, they succeded to steal your
mind
and put you in their doctrinal box. Your are thus doomed to parrot
them without a mind of your own.
But a close reading of the Qur'an could help you break that spell.
Did you ever wonder why the meaning of the word APOSTLE varies
from Catholicism to Islam?
For Catholicism Peter is an Apostle whose successor is the POPE.
For Islam however, the true Apostle of God is Jesus as the
Messiah/Christ sent by God to mankind, and Mohammad is his
successor...Thus is fulfilled Deut 18:15 which states that
MESSIAH/CHRIST is a Prophet like Moses.
Who is right and who is wrong? Who has the true Apostolic Tradition,
Catholicism or Islam? God knows best.
Remember that Jesus was circumcised on the 8th day
according to the costum of Moses wa Abraham and centered his life
around the requirements of the first covenant,and so did John the
Baptist and Zackaria and the 12 disciples, and the present day
Muslims are walking in their paths.
By the way, Apostle means the One sent.
Posting diatribe like this to alt.atheism is akin to masturbating in front
of a mirror.
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
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| User: "Tukla Ratte" |
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| Title: Re: Two Parallel Apostolic Traditions: Catholic And Islamic |
01 Dec 2004 04:08:43 PM |
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Vic Sagerquist wrote:
on 01 Dec 2004 in alt.atheism, Not-easily-duped dropped trou, farted,
whirled, then shouted:
< snip >
By the way, Apostle means the One sent.
Posting diatribe like this to alt.atheism is akin to masturbating in front
of a mirror.
LOL! Oh, c'mon! Who *doesn't* do that?
....Oh.
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Tukla, Eater of Theists, Squeaker of Chew Toys
Official Mascot of Alt.Atheism, aa 1347
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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| Title: Re: Two Parallel Apostolic Traditions: Catholic And Islamic |
01 Dec 2004 06:58:26 PM |
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On 01 Dec 2004, Tukla Ratte dropped trou, farted, whirled, then shouted:
Posting diatribe like this to alt.atheism is akin to masturbating in
front of a mirror.
LOL! Oh, c'mon! Who *doesn't* do that?
...Oh.
Don't tell me that was a 2-way mirror! Ahhhhhhh!
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
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