Religions > Atheism > TX: county must remove bible display from front of courthouse
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"Brian Westley" |
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10 Aug 2004 09:00:34 PM |
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TX: county must remove bible display from front of courthouse |
we-never-learn-dept:
http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/news/081004_local_bible.html
A federal judge on Tuesday gave Harris County 10 days to remove a Bible
from a monument outside its civil courts building.
U.S. District Judge Sim Lake ruled the display violated the
establishment clause of the First Amendment. He also ordered the county
to pay $41,000 in court costs and attorneys fees in the lawsuit that
contended the display of the Bible on county property was
unconstitutional.
"The court concludes that the purpose of the Bible display is to
encourage people to read the Bible," Lake wrote. "What other purpose
could there be for prominently displaying an open Bible in an
illuminated case tilted toward passers-by in a heavily frequented plaza
in front of the main entrance to the courthouse?"
Lake said Harris County should be exercising religious neutrality and
"not be seen as endorsing Christianity."
"But that does not mean that by requiring the removal of the Bible from
the Mosher monument, this court, the drafters of the Bill of Rights, or
the United States government are hostile to religion," the judge wrote.
"It means that everyone is free to adopt and practice his or her own
faith, or not to adopt any for of faith, without any pressure, direct
or implied, from government."
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From 1988 to 1995, the top of the monument remained "open and empty,
and it was often used as a trash bin," Lake wrote.
Then in 1995, a county judge campaigned on "a platform of putting
Christianity back into government" and worked to restore the monument
and replace the Bible through private donations.
Harris County did not pay for any of the improvements to the monument
or the new Bible, but has paid for the electricity that illuminates the
monument since 1995 at a cost of $93.15 a year, Lake wrote.
The county argued that the display is a private expression of free
speech by the mission and the county should not be held responsible for
its contents.
"County officials approved both the original inclusion of the Bible in
the Mosher memorial monument in 1956 and its reintroduction in 1995,"
Lake wrote. "By allowing an open Bible to be displayed in front of the
main entrance to the courthouse, the county has allowed the
communication of the Christian religious message that the Star of Hope
Mission and Judge (John) Devine sought to advance."
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Merlyn LeRoy
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: TX: county must remove bible display from front of courthouse |
11 Aug 2004 12:40:23 AM |
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In article <41197dc2$0$65606$a1866201@newsreader.visi.com>,
Brian Westley <westley@visi.com> wrote:
we-never-learn-dept:
http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/news/081004_local_bible.html
A federal judge on Tuesday gave Harris County 10 days to remove a Bible
from a monument outside its civil courts building.
U.S. District Judge Sim Lake ruled the display violated the
establishment clause of the First Amendment. He also ordered the county
to pay $41,000 in court costs and attorneys fees in the lawsuit that
contended the display of the Bible on county property was
unconstitutional.
"The court concludes that the purpose of the Bible display is to
encourage people to read the Bible," Lake wrote. "What other purpose
could there be for prominently displaying an open Bible in an
illuminated case tilted toward passers-by in a heavily frequented plaza
in front of the main entrance to the courthouse?"
Lake said Harris County should be exercising religious neutrality and
"not be seen as endorsing Christianity."
"But that does not mean that by requiring the removal of the Bible from
the Mosher monument, this court, the drafters of the Bill of Rights, or
the United States government are hostile to religion," the judge wrote.
"It means that everyone is free to adopt and practice his or her own
faith, or not to adopt any for of faith, without any pressure, direct
or implied, from government."
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From 1988 to 1995, the top of the monument remained "open and empty,
and it was often used as a trash bin," Lake wrote.
At least trash bins are useful, bibles are not.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
-The ability to change one's mind, ideas, and opinions when confronted with
new facts is the sign of the rational and intelligent. The inability to do
so is the hallmark of the dimwitted and the fanatic. This applies not only
to science and philosophy, but also to politics.-
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| User: "Jez" |
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| Title: Re: TX: county must remove bible display from front of courthouse |
11 Aug 2004 10:03:23 AM |
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johac wrote:
From 1988 to 1995, the top of the monument remained "open and empty,
and it was often used as a trash bin," Lake wrote.
At least trash bins are useful, bibles are not.
You've never run out of arse-wipes ?
--
Jez
"The condition of alienation, of being asleep, of being unconscious,
of being out of one's mind, is the condition of the normal man. Society
highly values its normal man.It educates children to lose themselves
and to become absurd,and thus to be normal. Normal men have killed
perhaps 100,000,000 of their fellow normal men in the last fifty years."
R.D. Laing
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| User: "Claytonman...Claytonman....Does What Ever A Beer Can" |
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| Title: Re: TX: county must remove bible display from front of courthouse |
11 Aug 2004 07:24:15 PM |
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"Jez" <iced_spear@NOSPAMdsl.pipex.com> wrote in message
news:411a3545$0$20250$cc9e4d1f@news-text.dial.pipex.com...
johac wrote:
From 1988 to 1995, the top of the monument remained "open and empty,
and it was often used as a trash bin," Lake wrote.
At least trash bins are useful, bibles are not.
You've never run out of arse-wipes ?
Bibles make terrible toilet paper...take it from someone who knows!
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: TX: county must remove bible display from front of courthouse |
12 Aug 2004 12:26:15 AM |
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In article <411ab847$0$8962$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>,
"Claytonman...Claytonman....Does What Ever A Beer Can"
<cjfat@SPAMBLOCKphonyemail.com> wrote:
"Jez" <iced_spear@NOSPAMdsl.pipex.com> wrote in message
news:411a3545$0$20250$cc9e4d1f@news-text.dial.pipex.com...
johac wrote:
From 1988 to 1995, the top of the monument remained "open and empty,
and it was often used as a trash bin," Lake wrote.
At least trash bins are useful, bibles are not.
You've never run out of arse-wipes ?
Bibles make terrible toilet paper...take it from someone who knows!
I agree, They need to be recycled first.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
-The ability to change one's mind, ideas, and opinions when confronted with
new facts is the sign of the rational and intelligent. The inability to do
so is the hallmark of the dimwitted and the fanatic. This applies not only
to science and philosophy, but also to politics.-
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