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"the_Host" |
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22 Feb 2007 09:39:50 AM |
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Typical Atheist question... |
Prove God exists???
They usually want one to prove it by the waving of hands and making miracles
happen, ie: "Make my computer shut down and then I'll believe you.,"
Of course when someone cannot do that, they say, "See? You can't prove it!"
They only recognize Vain desires. I guess they think that, if they can't get
something material out of it, it isn't worth the effort...
Host.
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| User: "Bill M" |
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| Title: Re: Typical Atheist question... |
22 Feb 2007 10:35:07 AM |
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"the_Host" <the_Host@everywhere.net> wrote in message
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Prove God exists???
They usually want one to prove it by the waving of hands and making
miracles
happen, ie: "Make my computer shut down and then I'll believe you.,"
Of course when someone cannot do that, they say, "See? You can't prove
it!"
They only recognize Vain desires. I guess they think that, if they can't
get
something material out of it, it isn't worth the effort...
Host.
It is much simpler than that.
All your claimed God has to do is announce directly from his heaven that he
is the real God and
the thousands of other Gods are fakes.
We're waiting! ( and have been for thousands of years!)
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| User: "the_Host" |
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| Title: Re: Typical Atheist question... |
22 Feb 2007 10:38:59 AM |
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"Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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"the_Host" <the_Host@everywhere.net> wrote in message
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Prove God exists???
They usually want one to prove it by the waving of hands and making
miracles
happen, ie: "Make my computer shut down and then I'll believe you.,"
Of course when someone cannot do that, they say, "See? You can't prove
it!"
They only recognize Vain desires. I guess they think that, if they can't
get
something material out of it, it isn't worth the effort...
Host.
It is much simpler than that.
All your claimed God has to do is announce directly from his heaven that
he
is the real God and
the thousands of other Gods are fakes.
We're waiting! ( and have been for thousands of years!)
Are you asking me???
OK, hold on...
I just shouted out God exists, did you hear me?
Probably not...
Host.
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| User: "ShellStockTrader" |
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| Title: Re: Typical Atheist question... |
22 Feb 2007 10:55:43 AM |
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"the_Host" <the_Host@everywhere.net> wrote in message
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"Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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"the_Host" <the_Host@everywhere.net> wrote in message
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Prove God exists???
They usually want one to prove it by the waving of hands and making
miracles
happen, ie: "Make my computer shut down and then I'll believe you.,"
Of course when someone cannot do that, they say, "See? You can't prove
it!"
They only recognize Vain desires. I guess they think that, if they
can't
get
something material out of it, it isn't worth the effort...
Host.
It is much simpler than that.
All your claimed God has to do is announce directly from his heaven that
he
is the real God and
the thousands of other Gods are fakes.
We're waiting! ( and have been for thousands of years!)
Are you asking me???
OK, hold on...
I just shouted out God exists, did you hear me?
Probably not...
Host.
Again, you lost your own argument! Too funny!!!
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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| Title: Re: Typical Atheist question... |
22 Feb 2007 08:00:04 PM |
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On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 09:39:50 -0600 there was an Ancient "the_Host"
<the_Host@everywhere.net> who stoppeth one in alt.atheism
Prove God exists???
They usually want one to prove it by the waving of hands and making miracles
happen, ie: "Make my computer shut down and then I'll believe you.,"
Of course when someone cannot do that, they say, "See? You can't prove it!"
They only recognize Vain desires. I guess they think that, if they can't get
something material out of it, it isn't worth the effort...
So, asking you to prove something isn't fair?
You owe me $20,000. I don't have to prove it, you just have to pay
me.
--
Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2011
"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the
source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a
stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as
good as dead: his eyes are closed." - Albert Einstein
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| User: "Hatter" |
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| Title: Re: Typical Atheist question... |
22 Feb 2007 03:28:20 PM |
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On Feb 22, 10:39 am, "the_Host" <the_H...@everywhere.net> wrote:
Prove God exists???
They usually want one to prove it by the waving of hands and making miracles
happen, ie: "Make my computer shut down and then I'll believe you.,"
Of course when someone cannot do that, they say, "See? You can't prove it!"
They only recognize Vain desires. I guess they think that, if they can't get
something material out of it, it isn't worth the effort...
Host.
If some other amputee grows back a limb, I get nothing "material" out
of it, they do.
How is someone asking to alleviate the suffering of another vain? Only
because of your handwaiving.
So, you claim to have an invisible freind in the sky that capable of
anything. When we ask for anything provable, we are being vain and
illogical? No, we are not, not by any sane standard.
Hatter
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| User: "Kyle" |
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| Title: Re: Typical Atheist question... |
22 Feb 2007 11:39:23 AM |
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On Feb 22, 10:39 am, "the_Host" <the_H...@everywhere.net> wrote:
Prove God exists???
They usually want one to prove it by the waving of hands and making miracles
happen, ie: "Make my computer shut down and then I'll believe you.,"
Of course when someone cannot do that, they say, "See? You can't prove it!"
They only recognize Vain desires. I guess they think that, if they can't get
something material out of it, it isn't worth the effort...
But if you're going to assert that something exists, the burdon of
proof is on you to demonstrate that the thing exists. It's a common
yet fallacious (appeal to ignorance) theistic ploy to demand, "Well,
prove that a god doesn't exist." Some theists back away from the
problem of supporting the idea that gods exist by saying they merely
have faith in the existence of a god (in other words, they believe in
it because the belief is a source of comfort, etc.); others claim,
more boldly, they actually have *knowledge* of a god's existence. But
ask him how he came about this supposed knowledge and he will quickly
turn to mush (change the subject, make recourse to retarded
platitudes, etc.).
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| User: "Pastor Kutchie, ordained atheist minister" |
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| Title: Re: Typical Atheist question... |
22 Feb 2007 10:03:27 AM |
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On Feb 22, 3:39 pm, "the_Host" <the_H...@everywhere.net> wrote:
Prove God exists???
They usually want one to prove it by the waving of hands and making miracles
happen, ie: "Make my computer shut down and then I'll believe you.,"
Of course when someone cannot do that, they say, "See? You can't prove it!"
They only recognize Vain desires. I guess they think that, if they can't get
something material out of it, it isn't worth the effort...
Host.
God doesn't exist. That's a fact, and I'm not in the least bit
interested in discussing whether or not he does. it's as pointless as
discussing whether rain falls upwards. A typical; question from me to
a theist of any sort is as follows:
When are you going to stop pretending that you believe in God?
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| User: "Chris Morris" |
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| Title: Re: Typical Atheist question... |
22 Feb 2007 10:35:50 AM |
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"Pastor Kutchie, ordained atheist minister" <user13@heathens.org.uk> wrote
in message news:1172160207.868304.121920@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 22, 3:39 pm, "the_Host" <the_H...@everywhere.net> wrote:
Prove God exists???
They usually want one to prove it by the waving of hands and making
miracles
happen, ie: "Make my computer shut down and then I'll believe you.,"
Of course when someone cannot do that, they say, "See? You can't prove
it!"
They only recognize Vain desires. I guess they think that, if they can't
get
something material out of it, it isn't worth the effort...
Host.
God doesn't exist. That's a fact, and I'm not in the least bit
interested in discussing whether or not he does. it's as pointless as
discussing whether rain falls upwards. A typical; question from me to
a theist of any sort is as follows:
When are you going to stop pretending that you believe in God?
Are you so certain that there is no Divine? Would you close yourself to all
possibility that in the future you will experience something that changes
your mind. I would not expect you to accept that the Divine exists based on
my experiences for that is just as foolish as you expecting others to not
believe based on your lack of an experience. Explaining an encounter with
the Divine is like explaining to a man that has always been blind what a
Sunset looks like, you can try but it will never the same as the experience
for yourself.
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: Typical Atheist question... |
22 Feb 2007 01:29:45 PM |
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"Chris Morris" <Draccus@adelphia.net> wrote in message
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"Pastor Kutchie, ordained atheist minister" <user13@heathens.org.uk> wrote
in message news:1172160207.868304.121920@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 22, 3:39 pm, "the_Host" <the_H...@everywhere.net> wrote:
Prove God exists???
They usually want one to prove it by the waving of hands and making
miracles
happen, ie: "Make my computer shut down and then I'll believe you.,"
Of course when someone cannot do that, they say, "See? You can't prove
it!"
They only recognize Vain desires. I guess they think that, if they can't
get
something material out of it, it isn't worth the effort...
Host.
God doesn't exist. That's a fact, and I'm not in the least bit
interested in discussing whether or not he does. it's as pointless as
discussing whether rain falls upwards. A typical; question from me to
a theist of any sort is as follows:
When are you going to stop pretending that you believe in God?
Are you so certain that there is no Divine?
Are you so certain that your subjective experiences constitute reality?
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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| User: "ShellStockTrader" |
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| Title: Re: Typical Atheist question... |
22 Feb 2007 10:54:29 AM |
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"Chris Morris" <Draccus@adelphia.net> wrote in message
news:1cKdnQaJALjWW0DYnZ2dnUVZ_rGinZ2d@adelphia.com...
"Pastor Kutchie, ordained atheist minister" <user13@heathens.org.uk> wrote
in message news:1172160207.868304.121920@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 22, 3:39 pm, "the_Host" <the_H...@everywhere.net> wrote:
Prove God exists???
They usually want one to prove it by the waving of hands and making
miracles
happen, ie: "Make my computer shut down and then I'll believe you.,"
Of course when someone cannot do that, they say, "See? You can't prove
it!"
They only recognize Vain desires. I guess they think that, if they can't
get
something material out of it, it isn't worth the effort...
Host.
God doesn't exist. That's a fact, and I'm not in the least bit
interested in discussing whether or not he does. it's as pointless as
discussing whether rain falls upwards. A typical; question from me to
a theist of any sort is as follows:
When are you going to stop pretending that you believe in God?
Explaining an encounter with the Divine is like explaining to a man that
has always been blind what a Sunset looks like, you can try but it will
never the same as the experience for yourself.
I wouldn't tell the blind man that the sun revolves around the earth, or
that the earth was flat. Lies do not explain anything.
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| User: "Chris Morris" |
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| Title: Re: Typical Atheist question... |
22 Feb 2007 11:28:11 AM |
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"ShellStockTrader" <spamhere@nospam.com> wrote in message
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"Chris Morris" <Draccus@adelphia.net> wrote in message
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"Pastor Kutchie, ordained atheist minister" <user13@heathens.org.uk>
wrote in message
news:1172160207.868304.121920@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 22, 3:39 pm, "the_Host" <the_H...@everywhere.net> wrote:
Prove God exists???
They usually want one to prove it by the waving of hands and making
miracles
happen, ie: "Make my computer shut down and then I'll believe you.,"
Of course when someone cannot do that, they say, "See? You can't prove
it!"
They only recognize Vain desires. I guess they think that, if they
can't get
something material out of it, it isn't worth the effort...
Host.
God doesn't exist. That's a fact, and I'm not in the least bit
interested in discussing whether or not he does. it's as pointless as
discussing whether rain falls upwards. A typical; question from me to
a theist of any sort is as follows:
When are you going to stop pretending that you believe in God?
Explaining an encounter with the Divine is like explaining to a man that
has always been blind what a Sunset looks like, you can try but it will
never the same as the experience for yourself.
I wouldn't tell the blind man that the sun revolves around the earth, or
that the earth was flat. Lies do not explain anything.
Nor would I because I know these things not to be true, but my own
experiences with the Divine are true and I could not expect you to
understand them or have any direct knowledge of those experiences for they
are not yours. Being open to the possibility that you are wrong is the
hallmark of an intelligent person, if you make a blanket statement stating
things are a fact a nothing will change your mind you have closed yourself
off to all new information and thus are the same as the Fundamentalist who
states that the Bible is errant. Both are errors of arrogance and both are
equally open to ridicule.
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: Typical Atheist question... |
22 Feb 2007 01:32:37 PM |
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"Chris Morris" <Draccus@adelphia.net> wrote in message
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"ShellStockTrader" <spamhere@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:bVjDh.40546$1H5.29341@newsfe16.phx...
"Chris Morris" <Draccus@adelphia.net> wrote in message
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"Pastor Kutchie, ordained atheist minister" <user13@heathens.org.uk>
wrote in message
news:1172160207.868304.121920@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 22, 3:39 pm, "the_Host" <the_H...@everywhere.net> wrote:
Prove God exists???
They usually want one to prove it by the waving of hands and making
miracles
happen, ie: "Make my computer shut down and then I'll believe you.,"
Of course when someone cannot do that, they say, "See? You can't prove
it!"
They only recognize Vain desires. I guess they think that, if they
can't get
something material out of it, it isn't worth the effort...
Host.
God doesn't exist. That's a fact, and I'm not in the least bit
interested in discussing whether or not he does. it's as pointless as
discussing whether rain falls upwards. A typical; question from me to
a theist of any sort is as follows:
When are you going to stop pretending that you believe in God?
Explaining an encounter with the Divine is like explaining to a man that
has always been blind what a Sunset looks like, you can try but it will
never the same as the experience for yourself.
I wouldn't tell the blind man that the sun revolves around the earth, or
that the earth was flat. Lies do not explain anything.
Nor would I because I know these things not to be true, but my own
experiences with the Divine are true
To you only and consequently meaningless to anyone else.
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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| User: "Jeckyl" |
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| Title: Re: Typical Atheist question... |
22 Feb 2007 06:23:41 PM |
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"Chris Morris" <Draccus@adelphia.net> wrote in message
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Nor would I because I know these things not to be true, but my own
experiences with the Divine are true and I could not expect you to
understand them or have any direct knowledge of those experiences for they
are not yours. Being open to the possibility that you are wrong is the
hallmark of an intelligent person, if you make a blanket statement stating
things are a fact a nothing will change your mind you have closed yourself
off to all new information and thus are the same as the Fundamentalist who
states that the Bible is errant. Both are errors of arrogance and both are
equally open to ridicule.
While I may not draw the same conclusions as you have (as my experiences are
different to yours) I agree with you 100% regarding closed minds and errors
of arrogance.
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| User: "Chris Morris" |
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22 Feb 2007 11:15:55 PM |
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"Jeckyl" <noone@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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"Chris Morris" <Draccus@adelphia.net> wrote in message
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Nor would I because I know these things not to be true, but my own
experiences with the Divine are true and I could not expect you to
understand them or have any direct knowledge of those experiences for
they are not yours. Being open to the possibility that you are wrong is
the hallmark of an intelligent person, if you make a blanket statement
stating things are a fact a nothing will change your mind you have closed
yourself off to all new information and thus are the same as the
Fundamentalist who states that the Bible is errant. Both are errors of
arrogance and both are equally open to ridicule.
While I may not draw the same conclusions as you have (as my experiences
are different to yours) I agree with you 100% regarding closed minds and
errors of arrogance.
We all draw conclusions from our own experiences it is the way of life
within this mortal shell. I have never understood blind faith nor blind
denial.
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| User: "thomas p." |
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23 Feb 2007 01:45:56 AM |
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On 23 Feb., 06:15, "Chris Morris" <Drac...@adelphia.net> wrote:
"Jeckyl" <n...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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"Chris Morris" <Drac...@adelphia.net> wrote in message
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Nor would I because I know these things not to be true, but my own
experiences with the Divine are true and I could not expect you to
understand them or have any direct knowledge of those experiences for
they are not yours. Being open to the possibility that you are wrong is
the hallmark of an intelligent person, if you make a blanket statement
stating things are a fact a nothing will change your mind you have closed
yourself off to all new information and thus are the same as the
Fundamentalist who states that the Bible is errant. Both are errors of
arrogance and both are equally open to ridicule.
While I may not draw the same conclusions as you have (as my experiences
are different to yours) I agree with you 100% regarding closed minds and
errors of arrogance.
We all draw conclusions from our own experiences it is the way of life
within this mortal shell.
Some of us recognize the difference between subjective experiences and
those that can be objectively verified.
I have never understood blind faith nor blind
denial.-
Since you admit that you have no evidence to show, what exactly are we
being blind to?
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| User: "Chris Morris" |
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23 Feb 2007 08:25:44 AM |
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"thomas p." <tonyofbexar@yahoo.dk> wrote in message
news:1172216755.960396.277570@m58g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
On 23 Feb., 06:15, "Chris Morris" <Drac...@adelphia.net> wrote:
"Jeckyl" <n...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:12tsd0mmvf9i4d5@corp.supernews.com...
"Chris Morris" <Drac...@adelphia.net> wrote in message
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Nor would I because I know these things not to be true, but my own
experiences with the Divine are true and I could not expect you to
understand them or have any direct knowledge of those experiences for
they are not yours. Being open to the possibility that you are wrong
is
the hallmark of an intelligent person, if you make a blanket statement
stating things are a fact a nothing will change your mind you have
closed
yourself off to all new information and thus are the same as the
Fundamentalist who states that the Bible is errant. Both are errors of
arrogance and both are equally open to ridicule.
While I may not draw the same conclusions as you have (as my
experiences
are different to yours) I agree with you 100% regarding closed minds
and
errors of arrogance.
We all draw conclusions from our own experiences it is the way of life
within this mortal shell.
Some of us recognize the difference between subjective experiences and
those that can be objectively verified.
Every Experince is Subjective to some degree now there may be some objective
evidence but it is the subjective mind that fits that objective information
into the frame work. All matters of the Spirit are by there Nature
Subjective and Personal.
I have never understood blind faith nor blind
denial.-
Since you admit that you have no evidence to show, what exactly are we
being blind to?
Being Blind only requires a closed mind unwilling to consider that you might
not know all that there is to know in the Universe that does not require any
evidence at all.
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| User: "thomas p." |
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| Title: Re: Typical Atheist question... |
23 Feb 2007 09:08:46 AM |
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On 23 Feb., 15:25, "Chris Morris" <Drac...@adelphia.net> wrote:
"thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote in message
news:1172216755.960396.277570@m58g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
On 23 Feb., 06:15, "Chris Morris" <Drac...@adelphia.net> wrote:
"Jeckyl" <n...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:12tsd0mmvf9i4d5@corp.supernews.com...
"Chris Morris" <Drac...@adelphia.net> wrote in message
news:7LudndO2-PkNT0DYnZ2dnUVZ_oytnZ2d@adelphia.com...
Nor would I because I know these things not to be true, but my own
experiences with the Divine are true and I could not expect you to
understand them or have any direct knowledge of those experiences for
they are not yours. Being open to the possibility that you are wrong
is
the hallmark of an intelligent person, if you make a blanket statement
stating things are a fact a nothing will change your mind you have
closed
yourself off to all new information and thus are the same as the
Fundamentalist who states that the Bible is errant. Both are errors of
arrogance and both are equally open to ridicule.
While I may not draw the same conclusions as you have (as my
experiences
are different to yours) I agree with you 100% regarding closed minds
and
errors of arrogance.
We all draw conclusions from our own experiences it is the way of life
within this mortal shell.
Some of us recognize the difference between subjective experiences and
those that can be objectively verified.
Every Experince is Subjective to some degree now there may be some objective
evidence but it is the subjective mind that fits that objective information
into the frame work.
There first has to be objective data.
All matters of the Spirit are by there Nature
Subjective and Personal.
In that case there is no objective, rational reason to believe that
there are "matters of the spirit". Subjective experiences are, by
their very nature, extremely unreliable. They may be real, but,
without evidence, there is no way to know that. It is not a sign of a
closed mind for a person to not believe unsupported assertions
I have never understood blind faith nor blind
denial.-
Since you admit that you have no evidence to show, what exactly are we
being blind to?
Being Blind only requires a closed mind unwilling to consider that you might
not know all that there is to know in the Universe
Again you make that false accusation. Nobody, please take note this
time, has claimed to know everything. It will be clearly dishonest of
you to continue to accuse people here of "claiming to know
everything". We are not the ones claiming to have special knowledge;
that would be you.
that does not require any
evidence at all.
And you have no evidence that anybody here made such a claim.
Once again: What exactly are we being blind to?
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| User: "Dubh Ghall" |
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| Title: Re: Typical Atheist question... |
23 Feb 2007 07:04:43 PM |
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On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 09:25:44 -0500, "Chris Morris"
<Draccus@adelphia.net> wrote:
Every Experince is Subjective to some degree now there may be some objective
evidence but it is the subjective mind that fits that objective information
into the frame work.
Silly semantics.
....And your capitalization makes no difference.
All matters of the Spirit are by there Nature
Subjective and Personal.
What would atheists care about your childish delusions of spirit.
I have never understood blind faith nor blind
denial.-
Since you admit that you have no evidence to show, what exactly are we
being blind to?
Being Blind only requires a closed mind unwilling to consider that you might
not know all that there is to know in the Universe that does not require any
evidence at all.
Your inference is dishonest, none have claimed to all there is to
know.
However you are claiming knowledge where there is no evidence of
knowledge, nor evidence of anything to know.
In fact, all that you offer is childish "But what ifs", and foolish
insults.
You infer that we ignore evidence, but are unable to present that
evidence.
You then insult us, and accuse us of ignoring the evidence which you
cannot produce.
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| User: "Dubh Ghall" |
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| Title: Re: Typical Atheist question... |
23 Feb 2007 08:58:15 AM |
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On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 00:15:55 -0500, "Chris Morris"
<Draccus@adelphia.net> wrote:
We all draw conclusions from our own experiences it is the way of life
within this mortal shell.
True enough, but some of us recognise the subjective for what it is,
and thus give it no special credence.
I have never understood blind faith
That seems true enough. You do not even understand that faith,
supported by nothing but subjective experience, IS blind faith.
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| User: "thomas p." |
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| Title: Re: Typical Atheist question... |
23 Feb 2007 01:36:14 AM |
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On 23 Feb., 01:23, "Jeckyl" <n...@nowhere.com> wrote:
"Chris Morris" <Drac...@adelphia.net> wrote in message
news:7LudndO2-PkNT0DYnZ2dnUVZ_oytnZ2d@adelphia.com...
Nor would I because I know these things not to be true, but my own
experiences with the Divine are true and I could not expect you to
understand them or have any direct knowledge of those experiences for they
are not yours. Being open to the possibility that you are wrong is the
hallmark of an intelligent person, if you make a blanket statement stating
things are a fact a nothing will change your mind you have closed yourself
off to all new information and thus are the same as the Fundamentalist who
states that the Bible is errant. Both are errors of arrogance and both are
equally open to ridicule.
While I may not draw the same conclusions as you have (as my experiences are
different to yours) I agree with you 100% regarding closed minds and errors
of arrogance.
And not believing something because of a total lack of evidence cannot
be called arrogance.
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| User: "Chris Morris" |
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| Title: Re: Typical Atheist question... |
23 Feb 2007 08:44:06 AM |
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"thomas p." <tonyofbexar@yahoo.dk> wrote in message
news:1172216174.345181.38760@t69g2000cwt.googlegroups.com...
On 23 Feb., 01:23, "Jeckyl" <n...@nowhere.com> wrote:
"Chris Morris" <Drac...@adelphia.net> wrote in message
news:7LudndO2-PkNT0DYnZ2dnUVZ_oytnZ2d@adelphia.com...
Nor would I because I know these things not to be true, but my own
experiences with the Divine are true and I could not expect you to
understand them or have any direct knowledge of those experiences for
they
are not yours. Being open to the possibility that you are wrong is the
hallmark of an intelligent person, if you make a blanket statement
stating
things are a fact a nothing will change your mind you have closed
yourself
off to all new information and thus are the same as the Fundamentalist
who
states that the Bible is errant. Both are errors of arrogance and both
are
equally open to ridicule.
While I may not draw the same conclusions as you have (as my experiences
are
different to yours) I agree with you 100% regarding closed minds and
errors
of arrogance.
And not believing something because of a total lack of evidence cannot
be called arrogance.
Making blanket statements when you are not omnipotent is arrogance.
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: Typical Atheist question... |
23 Feb 2007 10:31:56 AM |
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"Chris Morris" <Draccus@adelphia.net> wrote
snip
Making blanket statements when you are not omnipotent is arrogance.
Thank you for admitting you're arrogant - Not that it wasn't ridiculously
obvious.
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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| User: "thomas p." |
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| Title: Re: Typical Atheist question... |
23 Feb 2007 09:46:09 AM |
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On 23 Feb., 15:44, "Chris Morris" <Drac...@adelphia.net> wrote:
"thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote in message
news:1172216174.345181.38760@t69g2000cwt.googlegroups.com...
On 23 Feb., 01:23, "Jeckyl" <n...@nowhere.com> wrote:
"Chris Morris" <Drac...@adelphia.net> wrote in message
news:7LudndO2-PkNT0DYnZ2dnUVZ_oytnZ2d@adelphia.com...
Nor would I because I know these things not to be true, but my own
experiences with the Divine are true and I could not expect you to
understand them or have any direct knowledge of those experiences for
they
are not yours. Being open to the possibility that you are wrong is t=
he
hallmark of an intelligent person, if you make a blanket statement
stating
things are a fact a nothing will change your mind you have closed
yourself
off to all new information and thus are the same as the Fundamentali=
st
who
states that the Bible is errant. Both are errors of arrogance and bo=
th
are
equally open to ridicule.
While I may not draw the same conclusions as you have (as my experienc=
es
are
different to yours) I agree with you 100% regarding closed minds and
errors
of arrogance.
And not believing something because of a total lack of evidence cannot
be called arrogance.
Making blanket statements when you are not omnipotent is arrogance.- Skju=
l tekst i anf=F8rselstegn -
Non sequitur.
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| User: "Chris Morris" |
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| Title: Re: Typical Atheist question... |
23 Feb 2007 11:23:55 AM |
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"thomas p." <tonyofbexar@yahoo.dk> wrote in message
news:1172245569.243943.224290@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
On 23 Feb., 15:44, "Chris Morris" <Drac...@adelphia.net> wrote:
"thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote in message
news:1172216174.345181.38760@t69g2000cwt.googlegroups.com...
On 23 Feb., 01:23, "Jeckyl" <n...@nowhere.com> wrote:
"Chris Morris" <Drac...@adelphia.net> wrote in message
news:7LudndO2-PkNT0DYnZ2dnUVZ_oytnZ2d@adelphia.com...
Nor would I because I know these things not to be true, but my own
experiences with the Divine are true and I could not expect you to
understand them or have any direct knowledge of those experiences for
they
are not yours. Being open to the possibility that you are wrong is
the
hallmark of an intelligent person, if you make a blanket statement
stating
things are a fact a nothing will change your mind you have closed
yourself
off to all new information and thus are the same as the
Fundamentalist
who
states that the Bible is errant. Both are errors of arrogance and
both
are
equally open to ridicule.
While I may not draw the same conclusions as you have (as my
experiences
are
different to yours) I agree with you 100% regarding closed minds and
errors
of arrogance.
And not believing something because of a total lack of evidence cannot
be called arrogance.
Making blanket statements when you are not omnipotent is arrogance.- Skjul
tekst i anførselstegn -
Non sequitur..
Not agreeing with something is not a non sequater you and others make these
blanket statments you claim as fact being as you are not ominpotent and do
not know everything in the Universe makes you arrogant.
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| User: "thomas p." |
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| Title: Re: Typical Atheist question... |
24 Feb 2007 04:17:51 AM |
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On 23 Feb., 18:23, "Chris Morris" <Drac...@adelphia.net> wrote:
"thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote in message
news:1172245569.243943.224290@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
On 23 Feb., 15:44, "Chris Morris" <Drac...@adelphia.net> wrote:
"thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote in message
news:1172216174.345181.38760@t69g2000cwt.googlegroups.com...
On 23 Feb., 01:23, "Jeckyl" <n...@nowhere.com> wrote:
"Chris Morris" <Drac...@adelphia.net> wrote in message
news:7LudndO2-PkNT0DYnZ2dnUVZ_oytnZ2d@adelphia.com...
Nor would I because I know these things not to be true, but my own
experiences with the Divine are true and I could not expect you to
understand them or have any direct knowledge of those experiences =
for
they
are not yours. Being open to the possibility that you are wrong is
the
hallmark of an intelligent person, if you make a blanket statement
stating
things are a fact a nothing will change your mind you have closed
yourself
off to all new information and thus are the same as the
Fundamentalist
who
states that the Bible is errant. Both are errors of arrogance and
both
are
equally open to ridicule.
While I may not draw the same conclusions as you have (as my
experiences
are
different to yours) I agree with you 100% regarding closed minds and
errors
of arrogance.
And not believing something because of a total lack of evidence cannot
be called arrogance.
Making blanket statements when you are not omnipotent is arrogance.- Sk=
jul
tekst i anf=F8rselstegn -
thomas p wrote:
Non sequitur..
chris morris wrote:
Not agreeing with something is not a non sequater you and others make the=
se
blanket statments you claim as fact being as you are not ominpotent and do
not know everything in the Universe makes you arrogant.-
Still telling that silly lie I see. Obviously you are not going to
stop.
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| User: "Dubh Ghall" |
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| Title: Re: Typical Atheist question... |
23 Feb 2007 07:17:08 PM |
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On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 09:44:06 -0500, "Chris Morris"
<Draccus@adelphia.net> wrote:
And not believing something because of a total lack of evidence cannot
be called arrogance.
Making blanket statements when you are not omnipotent is arrogance.
What; Like that one of yours?
When there is no empirical supporting evidence, there is no reason to
believe, or to assume that there is anything *to believe.
Your statement suggests that we should believe, just in case there
MIGHT be evidence, somehow, somewhere, somewhen.
But I agree, it is not arrogance; It is rank stupidity.
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| User: "Christopher A.Lee" |
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| Title: Re: Typical Atheist question... |
23 Feb 2007 07:28:31 PM |
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On Sat, 24 Feb 2007 01:17:08 GMT, Dubh Ghall <puck@pooks.hill.fey>
wrote:
On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 09:44:06 -0500, "Chris Morris"
<Draccus@adelphia.net> wrote:
And not believing something because of a total lack of evidence cannot
be called arrogance.
Making blanket statements when you are not omnipotent is arrogance.
What; Like that one of yours?
When there is no empirical supporting evidence, there is no reason to
believe, or to assume that there is anything *to believe.
In his deluded fantasies this is the same as "absolutely certain the
divine doesn't exist". He's a classic binary thinking brain dead
theist.
Your statement suggests that we should believe, just in case there
MIGHT be evidence, somehow, somewhere, somewhen.
That's the implication of his lie about "closed minded". Another
standard theist delusion.
You only have to make yourself believe and suddenly everything will
fall into place because it can all be "explained" in terms of the
belief.
But I agree, it is not arrogance; It is rank stupidity.
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| User: "Sasha" |
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| Title: Re: Typical Atheist question... |
22 Feb 2007 11:42:30 AM |
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On Feb 22, 12:28 pm, "Chris Morris" <Drac...@adelphia.net> wrote:
Nor would I because I know these things not to be true, but my own
experiences with the Divine are true and I could not expect you to
understand them or have any direct knowledge of those experiences for they
are not yours. Being open to the possibility that you are wrong is the
hallmark of an intelligent person, if you make a blanket statement stating
things are a fact a nothing will change your mind you have closed yourself
off to all new information and thus are the same as the Fundamentalist who
states that the Bible is errant. Both are errors of arrogance and both are
equally open to ridicule.
If there is indisputable, physical evidence for a God which is widely
accepted - through thorough analysis - I'll be the first one to
"believe". Until then, your psychological and emotional weakness makes
you irrelevant. If you need to attribute life experiences to a
supernatural being, your entire existence is meaningless.
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| User: "Chris Morris" |
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| Title: Re: Typical Atheist question... |
22 Feb 2007 12:02:11 PM |
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"Sasha" <scironi@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1172166150.366748.240650@v33g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 22, 12:28 pm, "Chris Morris" <Drac...@adelphia.net> wrote:
Nor would I because I know these things not to be true, but my own
experiences with the Divine are true and I could not expect you to
understand them or have any direct knowledge of those experiences for
they
are not yours. Being open to the possibility that you are wrong is the
hallmark of an intelligent person, if you make a blanket statement
stating
things are a fact a nothing will change your mind you have closed
yourself
off to all new information and thus are the same as the Fundamentalist
who
states that the Bible is errant. Both are errors of arrogance and both
are
equally open to ridicule.
If there is indisputable, physical evidence for a God which is widely
accepted - through thorough analysis - I'll be the first one to
"believe". Until then, your psychological and emotional weakness makes
you irrelevant. If you need to attribute life experiences to a
supernatural being, your entire existence is meaningless.
This is your opinion, but it seems a poor scientist that would close their
minds and eyes to new information that might challenge their views. Being
open and saying you do not know costs you nothing saying you are certain
costs you a chance of discovery.
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| User: "skyeyes" |
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| Title: Re: Typical Atheist question... |
22 Feb 2007 01:41:49 PM |
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On Feb 22, 11:02 am, "Chris Morris" <Drac...@adelphia.net> wrote:
This is your opinion, but it seems a poor scientist that would close their
minds and eyes to new information that might challenge their views.
Scientists, and persons, like myself, of a scientific bent, need input
that is testable. You can't test for the "new information" that you
claim we're closing ourselves off to. Indeed, the only way you can
get the "new information" is to believe *a priori* that there's some
sort of supernatural being who's got "information" for you.
It's a well-known fact that people can induce their own religious
experiences. All the evidence says that it's a type of self-hypnosis.
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes at dakotacom dot net
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