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Religions > Atheism |
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"George Washington Hayduke" |
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04 Dec 2004 11:06:05 PM |
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UFO Skepticism -- inbound email |
This was email from a long time ago which came in as one long run-on
sentence. I've tried to break it up a little bit to make it a little
bit readable but it's impossible to make readable to any degree without
getting a headache. Still, it's a lengthy, bizarre kook rant that is
probably of some interest to people who study human behavior exhibiting
an inability to apply logic or reason.
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Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 15:02:20 -0400
From: "
Subject: UFO skepticism
Dear Skeptics,
I find it fascinating the attitude of skeptics in regards to UFO's. While
it is fascinating, it is also very sad. I am an engineer, astronomer and I
consider myself to be a competent scientist. I have spend my whole life
since early childhood observing the sky.
What have you people done to make yourself competent to be skeptics?
How many thousands of hours have you spent observing the sky to be able to
judge what it is that you think that you see there?
Where is you evidence of competence that you could really have any sort of
reliability that you could be able to judge and determine what it is that
you in the sky and why do you think that you could be able to tell anyone
else that you know what it is that they have seen in the sky?
Do the astronomers who you may have used as "authorities" actually observe
the sky?
Most do not, and are really not competent to be able to determine what it
is that is being seen that is being referred to as UFOs. Most astronomers
are academics who's main exposure to the sky is at a computer terminal in
an observatory. They do not know what is in the sky at night, except on a
theoretical basis, and often that is limited to deep space. An opinion made
by these people is of no more value than a deep sea diver. The deep sea
diver would also not be able to tell you whether, or not you have seen a
UFO.
I am curious why it is that you think that you have the ability to judge
weather, or not people have seen UFOs?
Perhaps it is sort of like a religious zeal that propels you. You do not
believe that UFOs exist so, therefore they do not exist. The world is flat
because I believe it is so kind of thinking. It often astounds me that
thinking people actually get up on TV, or like here on the internet and
make statements about UFOs that they could not possibly know in any way
with any kind of certainty, and yet they claim to be authorities. I guess
it takes true bravery to put yourselves up as being authorities on subjects
of which you have no clues and yet you proclaim yourselves to be such. The
true hallmarks of charlatans.
Some skeptics say that the reason that no UFOs exist is because they have
supposedly never contacted us. This is very stupid as you will soon see. It
is simply a product of faulty reasoning that results in the incorrect
conclusions. Some of this line of reasoning would have been acceptable
thirty, or forty years ago, but now it is utterly inexcusable. Thirty, or
forty years ago there were still some arguable uncertainties about the
abundance of extra-solar planetary systems. It is now more than apparent
that virtually all stars are accompanied by planets. This was really the
only logical conclusion that could have been arrived at that time, but
certain people resisted this reality mostly, I feel, due to religious
beliefs. I feel that this is still the main reason why some people have
such a hard time accepting the facts surrounding UFOs. The sun is a very
young star in cosmic terms. Billions of years had already passed before the
sun and its system condensed from the proto solar cloud. Billions of years.
Just let this sink in for a moment. If just one of the billions of stars
that were present in this galaxy for the period of time before the sun
existed harboured life, then this life would be billions of years more
evolved than life on earth. Not just a few hundred, or thousand, or
millions of years more advanced than the life on the earth, billions of
years. Let us reason what will happen to mankind, if it survives, over the
next few thousand years. Man, during this period will expand into space.
Probably within the next thousand years, or so, Man will occupy the general
region of space within several light years of the earth. This expansion
will be facilitated by numerous factors which can be easily imagined by any
thinking person. Given a million years it is likely that Mankind will solve
the technological barriers to traveling vast distances in space, but even
if faster than light speed proves impossible, by this point Man will have
spread to far reaches of the galaxy. This will be accomplished through
technology that is available today, if other ways that are not conceivable
to us now are now found.
The above reasoning not only allows distant space travel and shows that it
is inevitable, and it also shows that the latest reasoning is that their
are planets everywhere. This increases the odds of their being life in the
galaxy to a virtual certainty. If we have one billion stars in the galaxy
(a conservative estimate) and each star has ten planets, not including
large moons such as are found around Jupiter, then we have 10 billion
planets at least in the galaxy. If 0.1% of these planets actually have life
then we have 1,000,000 planets in the galaxy with life on them. Of course
this is only and estimate of the present number of stars in the galaxy. If
we include all the stars that have existed since the birth of the galaxy
then we should double this number at least. Of course we can take an ultra
conservative estimate and propose that only 1% of the above estimate are
planets that have life, we still have 10,000 planets at present in the
galaxy that have life. We the recent discovery of a nearby star with a
planetary system that appears to be similar to our own it is likely that
both of the above estimates are grossly low. All of these arguments you
have probably heard before, but I have never heard any of the skeptics take
into account the vast periods of time that are available to life for it to
evolve into intelligent forms that will populate the galaxy. If one of
these civilizations are one billion years old, a very recent period in the
galactic epoch, then it would be everywhere. This you must concede as fact.
It could not reasonably lead us to any other conclusion. Unfortunately,
most skeptics are extremely anthropomorphic and egocentric and assume that
any extraterrestrial civilization would be similar in development to our
own, a little further ahead maybe, and that they would actually want, or
need to contact us. This need seems sort of like the scientist wanting to
communicate with the pond life he is studying. In fact the scientist would
try to reduce his contact with the system that he is studying so as not to
interfere with its natural behaviour. It is doubtful that we are much more
than pond life for an extraterrestrial civilization. The skeptics arrogance
does not allow him to see things clearly. As we well have seen on our own
planet the devastating and unpredictable consequences of the contact
between more advanced cultures with those who are less advanced. In fact in
ancient literature we have just such a scenario. In the Book of Enoch, when
the "Sons of Heaven", the Satanali, come down to earth like shooting stars
they teach mankind advanced scientific and medical knowledge, which in the
end results in the destruction of the civilization.
My own experiences with UFOs has lead me to determine that they do exist
and that those that claim that they don't are likely unqualified to make a
judgement (the largest group,) or are actively trying to distort the fact
to make it appear that UFOs do not exist. From a very young age I was
interested in the sky and had my first astronomical telescope before the
age of ten. I personally know of no other individuals that have spent as
much time observing the sky as I have. I have at times been actively
involved with solar observations as well, so I also have observed the sky
extensively during the daytime. This is augmented by the fact that I have
also been president of the Pine Ridge Astronomical society. Of course
skeptics may feel that this does not qualify me to know what I see in the
sky and that I could be fooled, but that is not being reasonable.
When I was a young teenager I was in the backyard with my sister when a
large disk shaped craft came over the rooftop of the house next door. This
craft was about thirty feet in diameter and floated in the air silently.
The bottom of the craft had windows all the way around through which
emanated a soft bluish light. It could be seen that there was instruments
and structures in the ship, but no occupants could be seen through the
windows. The craft slowly glided down the street and my sister and I
followed it. When it was about 5 houses down the street. I had an
overwhelming desire to see more clearly what was inside the ship. I told my
sister to watch and that I was going to run home and get the binoculars.
So, I did. When I returned however, the craft was gone. I asked my sister
what happened and she said that it just suddenly shot off and was gone.
When I was in my thirties I was sitting in my living room looking out the
window on a partly cloudy afternoon about 2:30 PM. I looked up and my
attention was caught by a shiny flying craft in the air. I thought that it
must be an ultralight. I went outside to get a better look and took my
field glasses (7X50.) What I saw was a shock. There was a small disk shaped
very shiny craft that seemed to float in the air. Then a second craft
appeared. The second craft was essentially the same, but had an appendage
coming off one side. I called my wife who was in the house to come and see,
which she did in seconds. We climbed into the tree-house in the back yard
to get a better look. We were able to watch the craft for several minutes.
The way that the craft maneuvered was very strange. They would hover in one
spot for several seconds and then move suddenly to another spot a short
distance away. When they hovered they sort of bobbed and fluttered. The
motion is a little difficult to explain, but it would not seem to be the
most comfortable ride. We were able to watch the craft for several minutes
until they just seemed to disappear. One observation of the craft was that
though they appeared to be very shiny and silvery in appearance with the
naked eye, through the binoculars they were jet black, but very reflective.
They were like black mirrors. We notified National Defense and the Local
Police, more just to ensure their would be a public record of the event.
Fifteen years after the above event my wife and I were at the Garden Hill
Pond Conservation area in rural Ontario when we looked up and saw a shiny
disk shaped craft in the sky. It was just about three in the afternoon the
sky was clear with a few strato-cumulous clouds. Above the cumulous were
some stratus clouds at at least ten thousand feet. My first thoughts were
again that it was an ultralight, but it made no sound and had no wings. As
it got closer the disk shape became more evident. I thought, maybe it was a
helicopter, but it was not very high and there was no sound at all. As the
craft came closer it was apparent that it has no prop, no tail; it could
not be a helicopter. Both my wife and I had exactly the same observations
and speculations as to what this craft was. After its closest approach the
craft hovered and periodically seemed to disappear, then it would reappear
just as suddenly. At times it seemed that only portions of the craft would
disappear. After watching for a while it became apparent that the
disappearing was only an illusion caused by the extreme reflectivity of the
craft. If the craft would tilt slightly then it would reflect the sky and
you could not see it. If it tilted somewhat more it would brilliantly
reflect the sun and looked almost as if a piece of the sun was broken off
in the sky. After watching for a few minutes the craft started moving off
slowly. As it moved off it started to climb. It climbed rapidly into the
sky and we followed it until it could no longer bee seen because it was too
high. At this point it seemed to be nearing the strato-cumulous clouds that
were present. As it rose it left no con trail and made no sound. No craft
ever made on this planet could duplicate what this craft could do. If it
was a secret aircraft then why have who ever created it not taken over the
world? It would easily be accomplished. Such a notion is more than silly. I
truly doubt with the observations that I have made that the governments of
any nations are in possession of this type of technology and I doubt that
kind of conspiracy exists. I have seen film of hovering craft over area 51
that seem to be similar, but I doubt that they would be in Garden Hill. The
government craft explanation by skeptics seems extremely absurd when the
craft have been closely observed. Of course I am insane, stupid, or
deluded. I must hallucinate and these hallucinations are shared by those
who are with me. I could just be lying, but I don't know why I would lie. I
am not interested in making money from these observations. I am interested
in science, oh I forgot skeptics don't need science. I guess everyone
around the world who have seen these craft and filmed them and found
physical evidence are all liars, stupid, or deluded. If you can find an
explanation for what I have seen by a person who is in fact qualified,
having spent at least several thousand hours studying the sky, then I would
appreciate their opinions. But anything that I have seen from skeptics so
far is spurious, claptrap. Plain *****. The product of charlatans that
are attempting to make a name for themselves through their own ignorance.
It is very sad. What is most sad about it is that they can attract more
believers than what the facts say. Often skeptics will employ astronomers
to back up what they say about UFOs. Why would the astronomers know what a
UFO is? Logic says we are not alone. Reason says the aliens are everywhere.
The skeptics deny both. So sad.
Sincerely
[Name removed - flr]
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Stop Elmer Fudd web site: http://www.ElmerFudd.US/
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| User: "Siobhan Burke" |
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| Title: Re: UFO Skepticism -- inbound email |
08 Dec 2004 08:18:11 AM |
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In article <10r55mfnjieb7aa@corp.supernews.com>,
says...
This was email from a long time ago which came in as one long run-on
sentence. I've tried to break it up a little bit to make it a little
bit readable but it's impossible to make readable to any degree without
getting a headache. Still, it's a lengthy, bizarre kook rant that is
probably of some interest to people who study human behavior exhibiting
an inability to apply logic or reason.
<rigmarole snipped>
I've spent hundreds of hours peering at the sky with an eight-
inch Celestron, and only saw one UFO, and that was in
California, years ago. It was a weird looking glow, moving
north too fast to catch with the telescope, and wouldn't have
stayed in the field long enough to see anything if I had. I
started counting seconds that it was visible, and noted it's
course by stars that it passed, and sketched the object. The
next day I took the information to my astronomy professor, and
said "Explain this." Two days later he told me that it was an
unpublicized launch from Vandenberg. His contact wanted to know
how he'd got even that much information about and the prof
smugly replied that he'd been telling them not to underestimate
the amateur astronomers. :)
--
Siobhan
"Can they think, and then think like this?"
Jennet Jourdemayne, The Lady's Not For Burning, Act One.
Christopher Fry, 1949
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