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29 Oct 2004 07:06:06 PM |
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UK schools to teach atheism |
29 October 2004
UK schools to teach atheism
LONDON: The British government endorsed the teaching of atheism as a
belief system for the first time yesterday, in a religious education
plan warmly welcomed by the country's religious groups.
Education and Skills Secretary Charles Clarke launched the first
"national framework" for religious education (RE), which sets out
expectations for the teaching of the subject in British schools.
"There is a legal requirement for all schools to teach religious
education. I want to ensure that standards are consistently high so
that every pupil benefits. That's why this framework is so important,"
Clarke said.
In the framework, the government recommended the teaching of secular
philosophies, such as humanism, for the first time, a Department for
Education and Skills (DfES) spokesman said.
But the recommendation was not enough for the National Secular Society
(NSS), Britain's biggest secular group, which launched a campaign to
raise awareness of a parents' right to withdraw children from RE
classes.
"Children are being given biased information which verges on religious
propaganda ... non-believing children are to have their philosophy
challenged at every turn in RE, but there is little in this framework
to allow religion to be challenged," said an NSS statement.
Both the Church of England and the Muslim Council of Britain welcomed
the framework. A DfES statement said the framework emphasises
Christianity as Britain's traditional religion, but allows for the
teaching of other faiths such as Islam, Britain's second most common
faith.
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| User: "Raymond Griffith" |
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| Title: Re: UK schools to teach atheism |
29 Oct 2004 09:51:23 PM |
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in article 57cfd534.0410291606.5d0d611f@posting.google.com, MrPepper11 at
MrPepper11@go.com wrote on 10/29/04 8:06 PM:
29 October 2004
UK schools to teach atheism
LONDON: The British government endorsed the teaching of atheism as a
belief system for the first time yesterday, in a religious education
plan warmly welcomed by the country's religious groups.
Education and Skills Secretary Charles Clarke launched the first
"national framework" for religious education (RE), which sets out
expectations for the teaching of the subject in British schools.
"There is a legal requirement for all schools to teach religious
education. I want to ensure that standards are consistently high so
that every pupil benefits. That's why this framework is so important,"
Clarke said.
In the framework, the government recommended the teaching of secular
philosophies, such as humanism, for the first time, a Department for
Education and Skills (DfES) spokesman said.
But the recommendation was not enough for the National Secular Society
(NSS), Britain's biggest secular group, which launched a campaign to
raise awareness of a parents' right to withdraw children from RE
classes.
"Children are being given biased information which verges on religious
propaganda ... non-believing children are to have their philosophy
challenged at every turn in RE, but there is little in this framework
to allow religion to be challenged," said an NSS statement.
Both the Church of England and the Muslim Council of Britain welcomed
the framework. A DfES statement said the framework emphasises
Christianity as Britain's traditional religion, but allows for the
teaching of other faiths such as Islam, Britain's second most common
faith.
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So, where was this taken from, and how do we verify it?
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| User: "Rob Naylor" |
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| Title: Re: UK schools to teach atheism |
30 Oct 2004 01:42:10 PM |
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"Raymond Griffith" <tiffirgrReverse@ctc.net> wrote in message
news:BDA879EB.2C3F%tiffirgrReverse@ctc.net...
in article 57cfd534.0410291606.5d0d611f@posting.google.com, MrPepper11 at
MrPepper11@go.com wrote on 10/29/04 8:06 PM:
29 October 2004
UK schools to teach atheism
So, where was this taken from, and how do we verify it?
It was in all serious newspapers over here. RE lessons will include at a
minimum (over an individual's schooldays):
Christianity
Islam
Hinduism
Judaism
Sikhism
Buddhism
Atheism
Minor religions will also be touched on.
There is some argument as to whether Atheism can actually be taught, since
it's an absence of belief, rather than a system of belief having any sort of
structure...there have been a couple of heavy radio discussions on that, the
consensus being that it can probably be discussed, but not formally taught
in classrooms.
Rob
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| User: "Tony Lawrence" |
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| Title: Re: UK schools to teach atheism |
30 Oct 2004 02:01:30 PM |
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Rob Naylor wrote:
"Raymond Griffith" <tiffirgrReverse@ctc.net> wrote in message
news:BDA879EB.2C3F%tiffirgrReverse@ctc.net...
in article 57cfd534.0410291606.5d0d611f@posting.google.com,
MrPepper11 at
MrPepper11@go.com wrote on 10/29/04 8:06 PM:
29 October 2004
UK schools to teach atheism
So, where was this taken from, and how do we verify it?
It was in all serious newspapers over here. RE lessons will include
at a
minimum (over an individual's schooldays):
Christianity
Islam
Hinduism
Judaism
Sikhism
Buddhism
Atheism
Minor religions will also be touched on.
There is some argument as to whether Atheism can actually be taught,
since
it's an absence of belief, rather than a system of belief having any
sort of
structure...there have been a couple of heavy radio discussions on
that, the
consensus being that it can probably be discussed, but not formally
taught
in classrooms.
I'm off the opinion that teaching all those religions will encourage
atheism. Most theists aren't at all aware of the origins of their
fables. Course like this will show them how modern religions are just
re-hashings of ancient nonsense. It's certain to cause questioning
amomg the more intelligent, at least.
I'm all for it.
--
Tony Lawrence, BAAWA Founder
http://aplawrence.com/Personal/Philosophy.html
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: UK schools to teach atheism |
31 Oct 2004 10:28:43 AM |
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On 30 Oct 2004 12:01:30 -0700, "Tony Lawrence" <pcunix@gmail.com>
wrote:
Rob Naylor wrote:
"Raymond Griffith" <tiffirgrReverse@ctc.net> wrote in message
news:BDA879EB.2C3F%tiffirgrReverse@ctc.net...
in article 57cfd534.0410291606.5d0d611f@posting.google.com,
MrPepper11 at
MrPepper11@go.com wrote on 10/29/04 8:06 PM:
29 October 2004
UK schools to teach atheism
So, where was this taken from, and how do we verify it?
It was in all serious newspapers over here. RE lessons will include
at a
minimum (over an individual's schooldays):
Christianity
Islam
Hinduism
Judaism
Sikhism
Buddhism
Atheism
Minor religions will also be touched on.
There is some argument as to whether Atheism can actually be taught,
since
it's an absence of belief, rather than a system of belief having any
sort of
structure...there have been a couple of heavy radio discussions on
that, the
consensus being that it can probably be discussed, but not formally
taught
in classrooms.
I'm off the opinion that teaching all those religions will encourage
atheism. Most theists aren't at all aware of the origins of their
fables. Course like this will show them how modern religions are just
re-hashings of ancient nonsense. It's certain to cause questioning
amomg the more intelligent, at least.
I'm all for it.
Welcome back, Tony.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Vote for Bush. Why vote for the lesser of two evils?
No matter the candidates the superstition industry wins.
'Jesus' is a sock-puppet Christians utilize to add 'authority' to
whatever action they intend on taking. -Stoney
And Duty Imp and Rapscallion
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| User: "Guest Pest" |
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| Title: Re: UK schools to teach atheism |
30 Oct 2004 04:51:51 PM |
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On Sat 30 Oct 2004 03:01:30pm EDT, one who goes by the
pseudonym "Tony Lawrence" said in alt.atheism:
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Tony Lawrence, BAAWA Founder
http://aplawrence.com/Personal/Philosophy.html
This link shows "404-Page not found". The correct one seems to
be: http://aplawrence.com/Personal/Philosophy/index.html
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_T o m_
/a/./a/#1253
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| User: "kathryn" |
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| Title: Re: UK schools to teach atheism |
30 Oct 2004 11:00:48 AM |
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"Raymond Griffith" <tiffirgrReverse@ctc.net> wrote in message
news:BDA879EB.2C3F%tiffirgrReverse@ctc.net...
in article 57cfd534.0410291606.5d0d611f@posting.google.com, MrPepper11 at
MrPepper11@go.com wrote on 10/29/04 8:06 PM:
29 October 2004
UK schools to teach atheism
LONDON: The British government endorsed the teaching of atheism as a
belief system for the first time yesterday, in a religious education
plan warmly welcomed by the country's religious groups.
Education and Skills Secretary Charles Clarke launched the first
"national framework" for religious education (RE), which sets out
expectations for the teaching of the subject in British schools.
"There is a legal requirement for all schools to teach religious
education. I want to ensure that standards are consistently high so
that every pupil benefits. That's why this framework is so important,"
Clarke said.
In the framework, the government recommended the teaching of secular
philosophies, such as humanism, for the first time, a Department for
Education and Skills (DfES) spokesman said.
But the recommendation was not enough for the National Secular Society
(NSS), Britain's biggest secular group, which launched a campaign to
raise awareness of a parents' right to withdraw children from RE
classes.
"Children are being given biased information which verges on religious
propaganda ... non-believing children are to have their philosophy
challenged at every turn in RE, but there is little in this framework
to allow religion to be challenged," said an NSS statement.
Both the Church of England and the Muslim Council of Britain welcomed
the framework. A DfES statement said the framework emphasises
Christianity as Britain's traditional religion, but allows for the
teaching of other faiths such as Islam, Britain's second most common
faith.
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So, where was this taken from, and how do we verify it?
Ahhh major newspapers and also here http://tinyurl.com/46slf
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| User: "zepp" |
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| Title: Re: UK schools to teach atheism |
29 Oct 2004 11:43:51 PM |
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On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 22:51:23 -0400, Raymond Griffith
<tiffirgrReverse@ctc.net> wrote:
in article 57cfd534.0410291606.5d0d611f@posting.google.com, MrPepper11 at
MrPepper11@go.com wrote on 10/29/04 8:06 PM:
29 October 2004
UK schools to teach atheism
LONDON: The British government endorsed the teaching of atheism as a
belief system for the first time yesterday, in a religious education
plan warmly welcomed by the country's religious groups.
Education and Skills Secretary Charles Clarke launched the first
"national framework" for religious education (RE), which sets out
expectations for the teaching of the subject in British schools.
"There is a legal requirement for all schools to teach religious
education. I want to ensure that standards are consistently high so
that every pupil benefits. That's why this framework is so important,"
Clarke said.
In the framework, the government recommended the teaching of secular
philosophies, such as humanism, for the first time, a Department for
Education and Skills (DfES) spokesman said.
But the recommendation was not enough for the National Secular Society
(NSS), Britain's biggest secular group, which launched a campaign to
raise awareness of a parents' right to withdraw children from RE
classes.
"Children are being given biased information which verges on religious
propaganda ... non-believing children are to have their philosophy
challenged at every turn in RE, but there is little in this framework
to allow religion to be challenged," said an NSS statement.
Both the Church of England and the Muslim Council of Britain welcomed
the framework. A DfES statement said the framework emphasises
Christianity as Britain's traditional religion, but allows for the
teaching of other faiths such as Islam, Britain's second most common
faith.
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So, where was this taken from, and how do we verify it?
The only cite I could find in Google was the Gulf Daily News, a
newspaper out of Behrain, of all places.
That doesn't mean the story isn't true. England is a civilized
country.
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| User: "Tony" |
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| Title: Re: UK schools to teach atheism |
01 Nov 2004 10:08:10 AM |
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Please remember that British schools teach "about" religion - they don't
teach the religion.
At higher levels of schooling its called comparative religion.
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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| Title: Re: UK schools to teach atheism |
01 Nov 2004 10:17:36 AM |
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On Mon, 01 Nov 2004 16:08:10 GMT, "Tony" <tonykonrath@earthlink.net>
wrote:
Please remember that British schools teach "about" religion - they don't
teach the religion.
At higher levels of schooling its called comparative religion.
The religious extremists can't tell the difference.
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