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Are atheists offended by the inclusion of the words "under
God"
in

the

Pledge of Allegience?

I'm offended by the Pledge of Allegiance - whether it includes

the

words

"under god" or not. I think that the entire notion of pledging

allegiance

to *any* flag is rather un-American.

Un-ameriKKKan alright. It's usually you who make others pledge
allegiance to YOUR flag. And yes, THAT is oh so 'ameriKKKan'.

Oh well...

What the ***** are you babbling about?

Oh well indeed.

I was merely implying that your country goes around telling
people what to do, and that everybody should pledge allegiance
to the flag of the US of A. Nothing more. Hope you get it this time.

You need to work on your delivery.

Also, it may have paid to notice that I am no fan of the pledge (nor,

for

that matter, the US' cavalier approach to foreign policy these days,
but
that wasn't as obvious). I find the concept of a pledge of allegiance

to

be
rather fascist and I believe that it is contrary to the ideals that
this
country was founded upon. As such, your rant would have been better
served
elsewhere. Hopefully you'll get that this time.

And if you have any evidence of the US requiring foreigners to pledge
allegiance the the US flag, I'd like to see it.




--
Aloha,
G-Ride

"Like a quarrelling group of monkeys on a leaky boat, armed with sticks

of

dynamite, we are now embarked on an uncertain journey."

Texas Senate Bill 83:
http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/tlo/78R/billtext/SB00083F.HTM
Note especially:
"Sec. 25.082. SCHOOL DAY; PLEDGES OF ALLEGIANCE; MINUTE OF
SILENCE.
SECTION 2. Section 25.082, Education Code, is amended by
amending Subsection (b) and adding Subsections (c) and (d) to read
as follows:
(b) The board of trustees of each school district shall
require students, once during each school day at each school in the
district, to recite:
(1) the pledge of allegiance to the United States flag
in accordance with 4 U.S.C. Section 4, and its subsequent
amendments; and
(2) the pledge of allegiance to the state flag in
accordance with Subchapter C, Chapter 3100, Government Code.
(c) On written request from a student's parent or guardian,
a school district shall excuse the student from reciting a pledge of
allegiance under Subsection (b)."

Sure, there's an out, but until (and unless) the written
request from student's parent or guardian is
received and acted upon, presumably a student
no matter what her or his nationality will be required
to pledge allegiance to the USA and TX in
TX schools.

I didn't check other states - I live in TX - but
while googling I've seen references to other
states that have requirements similar to TX.

Gail

Well, thanks for the info, but my request for was geared more for
foreigners
that weren't school age and in the US. I read the original poster's
comment
to mean that he was claiming that the US was requiring foreigners
*outside*
the US to pledge allegiance to the flag.

nationals attending a school in a state where they require the pledge to
be
spoken would be encouraged to play along.




--
Aloha, G-Ride

"Like a quarrelling group of monkeys on a leaky boat, armed with sticks of
dynamite, we are now embarked on an uncertain journey."

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"Ian Chesterton" <ichesterton@spfd.com> wrote in message
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Are atheists offended by the inclusion of the words "under
God"
in

the

Pledge of Allegience?

I'm offended by the Pledge of Allegiance - whether it includes

the

words

"under god" or not. I think that the entire notion of pledging

allegiance

to *any* flag is rather un-American.

Un-ameriKKKan alright. It's usually you who make others pledge
allegiance to YOUR flag. And yes, THAT is oh so 'ameriKKKan'.

Oh well...

What the ***** are you babbling about?

Oh well indeed.

I was merely implying that your country goes around telling
people what to do, and that everybody should pledge allegiance
to the flag of the US of A. Nothing more. Hope you get it this time.

You need to work on your delivery.

Also, it may have paid to notice that I am no fan of the pledge (nor,

for

that matter, the US' cavalier approach to foreign policy these days,
but
that wasn't as obvious). I find the concept of a pledge of allegiance

to

be
rather fascist and I believe that it is contrary to the ideals that
this
country was founded upon. As such, your rant would have been better
served
elsewhere. Hopefully you'll get that this time.

And if you have any evidence of the US requiring foreigners to pledge
allegiance the the US flag, I'd like to see it.




--
Aloha,
G-Ride

"Like a quarrelling group of monkeys on a leaky boat, armed with sticks

of

dynamite, we are now embarked on an uncertain journey."

Texas Senate Bill 83:
http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/tlo/78R/billtext/SB00083F.HTM
Note especially:
"Sec. 25.082. SCHOOL DAY; PLEDGES OF ALLEGIANCE; MINUTE OF
SILENCE.
SECTION 2. Section 25.082, Education Code, is amended by
amending Subsection (b) and adding Subsections (c) and (d) to read
as follows:
(b) The board of trustees of each school district shall
require students, once during each school day at each school in the
district, to recite:
(1) the pledge of allegiance to the United States flag
in accordance with 4 U.S.C. Section 4, and its subsequent
amendments; and
(2) the pledge of allegiance to the state flag in
accordance with Subchapter C, Chapter 3100, Government Code.
(c) On written request from a student's parent or guardian,
a school district shall excuse the student from reciting a pledge of
allegiance under Subsection (b)."

Sure, there's an out, but until (and unless) the written
request from student's parent or guardian is
received and acted upon, presumably a student
no matter what her or his nationality will be required
to pledge allegiance to the USA and TX in
TX schools.

I didn't check other states - I live in TX - but
while googling I've seen references to other
states that have requirements similar to TX.

Gail

Well, thanks for the info, but my request for was geared more for
foreigners
that weren't school age and in the US. I read the original poster's
comment
to mean that he was claiming that the US was requiring foreigners
*outside*
the US to pledge allegiance to the flag. I would expect that foreign
nationals attending a school in a state where they require the pledge to
be
spoken would be encouraged to play along.




--
Aloha, G-Ride

"Like a quarrelling group of monkeys on a leaky boat, armed with sticks of
dynamite, we are now embarked on an uncertain journey."