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Topic: Religions > Atheism
User: "Mutatisutandis"
Date: 23 Mar 2005 05:11:36 AM
Object: Understanding subjectivity
Are we trapped w/ in an infinitude of contradiction? It seems
impossible to live by a system of thought or belief etc. without being
labeled presumptuous. All 'isms' in general are flawed because they
attempt to declare a truth or explanation towards something completely
subjective. We can't see beyond or outside ourselves. So why don't we
just call it a day with the theisms, atheism, agnosticism, etc. and
live frugally on surprise. We could argue and argue for the rest of our
lives but it wouldn't matter b/c it doesn't change what 'is' is. I know
this assertion is a contradiction of its own but it seems to carry some
validity w/in my eyes. I'm not sure if what I propose is a form of
existentialism (since I can't stress freewill).
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User: "Denis Loubet"

Title: Re: Understanding subjectivity 23 Mar 2005 05:42:57 AM
"Mutatisutandis" <mutatisutandis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1111554696.761859.27850@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...

Are we trapped w/ in an infinitude of contradiction?

Yes. We're human.

It seems
impossible to live by a system of thought or belief etc. without being
labeled presumptuous.

True. But that label may or may not be true.

All 'isms' in general are flawed because they
attempt to declare a truth or explanation towards something completely
subjective.

Atheism doesn't. Default atheism makes no claim. It is simply a skeptical
response to theism, which DOES make a claim.

We can't see beyond or outside ourselves.

Are you suggesting we adopt a solipsistic position? Granted it is
unassailable, but it is of little practical value.
Since we are stuck in the environment in which we find ourself, be it
virtual or real, it is the only one we have, and our welfare depends upon us
treating it as reality.

So why don't we
just call it a day with the theisms, atheism, agnosticism, etc. and
live frugally on surprise.

The isms are labels that have practical value in discourse.

We could argue and argue for the rest of our
lives but it wouldn't matter b/c it doesn't change what 'is' is.

Irrelevant. We argue and argue to move our knowledge closer and closer to
what the 'is' is.

I know
this assertion is a contradiction of its own but it seems to carry some
validity w/in my eyes. I'm not sure if what I propose is a form of
existentialism (since I can't stress freewill).

Not knowing exactly what you mean by living frugally on surprise, I can't
help you identify what you've come up with.
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
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