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Understanding the President and His God |
Understanding the President and His God
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/29/arts/television/29STAN.html
By ALESSANDRA STANLEY
The "Frontline" documentary "The Jesus Factor," on PBS, lays bare
George W. Bush's spiritual conversion and its consequences.
Bush God
http://news.google.com/news?num=100&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=bush+god&sa=N&tab=gn
http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=bush+god&sa=N&tab=nw
http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=bush+god&sa=N&tab=wd&cat=gwd%2FTop
http://groups.google.com/groups?as_q=bush%20god&safe=images&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&as_scoring=d&lr=&num=100&hl=en
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| User: "maff" |
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03 May 2004 04:15:22 AM |
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(maff) wrote in message news:<18510aff.0404290304.2d126aaf@posting.google.com>...
Understanding the President and His God
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/29/arts/television/29STAN.html
By ALESSANDRA STANLEY
The "Frontline" documentary "The Jesus Factor," on PBS, lays bare
George W. Bush's spiritual conversion and its consequences.
Bush God
http://news.google.com/news?num=100&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=bush+god&sa=N&tab=gn
http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=bush+god&sa=N&tab=nw
http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=bush+god&sa=N&tab=wd&cat=gwd%2FTop
http://groups.google.com/groups?as_q=bush%20god&safe=images&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&as_scoring=d&lr=&num=100&hl=en
God save America ...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,3604,1208304,00.html
The race for the White House will be decided by fundagelicals. That's
good news for twice-born George Bush
John Sutherland
Monday May 3, 2004
The Guardian
The word "fundagelism" has never appeared in the columns of this
newspaper. The term is, however, current in the blogosphere - that
cyberforum which nowadays carries the most interestingly paranoid
political debate. "Fundagelism" is not a word that trips easily off
the tongue. It's a crunching together of the even more mouth-boggling
compound "fundamentalist evangelism".
George W Bush is a fundagelist. Dad wasn't. George H Bush (not
renowned for his Wildean wit) delivered his most memorable wisecrack
on walking into a room full of fundagelists: "Gee! I'm the only person
here that's only been born once."
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| User: "Ayin" |
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03 May 2004 09:24:52 AM |
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(maff) wrote in message news:<18510aff.0404290304.2d126aaf@posting.google.com>...
Understanding the President and His God
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/29/arts/television/29STAN.html
By ALESSANDRA STANLEY
The "Frontline" documentary "The Jesus Factor," on PBS, lays bare
George W. Bush's spiritual conversion and its consequences.
Bush God
http://news.google.com/news?num=100&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=bush+god&sa=N&tab=gn
http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=bush+god&sa=N&tab=nw
http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=bush+god&sa=N&tab=wd&cat=gwd%2FTop
http://groups.google.com/groups?as_q=bush%20god&safe=images&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&as_scoring=d&lr=&num=100&hl=en
i thought it was rather scary when after 9/11, when GW was drumming up
popular support for Cheney's war for oil, it was considered near to
treason to question GW concerning anything he touted as "war on
terrorism". "We, The People" cheered as GW launched his pre emptive
strike on Iraq, pushed the Patriots Act into law which allowed GW to
systematicly undermined our Bill of Rights and the Constitution. GW
used the standard christian moto "you are either with me or against
me" (a moto apparently coined by Jesus) and the "moral" majority ate
it up like ice cream on a summer day. no questions asked. no
questions were allowed to be asked, no protests were allowed without
risking vilification. now that the Iraq war has become an obvious
mess there is, at least, some healthy debate going on. (i wonder if
our next president will keep the "free speech zone" policy.) God may
be on GW's side but God would be on everyones side being as that God
is suppose to be omnipresent.
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29 Apr 2004 08:25:49 PM |
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Great. The country is being run by a recovering alcoholic. Worse, he's
sure "God is on his side". "God wants me to be president."
One of the suveniors my dad brought home from WWII was a Nazi belt buckle.
Its incription: GOTT MIT UNS.
Not the W. is a nazi, but it clearly shows that those who think "God is on
their side", may be, or perhaps usually are, wrong.
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| User: "Alan Jeffery" |
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30 Apr 2004 10:41:01 PM |
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"RHertz" <rhertz314@spamlesscox.net> wrote in message
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Great. The country is being run by a recovering alcoholic. Worse, he's
sure "God is on his side". "God wants me to be president."
One of the suveniors my dad brought home from WWII was a Nazi belt buckle.
Its incription: GOTT MIT UNS.
Actually "GOT MIT UNS" was also the battlecry of Gustaphus Adolphus's troops
during the 30 years war.
Not the W. is a nazi, but it clearly shows that those who think "God is on
their side", may be, or perhaps usually are, wrong.
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| User: "Josh Hayes" |
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01 May 2004 06:03:19 PM |
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"Alan Jeffery" <observa_NOSPAM@xtra.co.nz> wrote in message news:<u1Fkc.394$8J.21382@news.xtra.co.nz>...
"RHertz" <rhertz314@spamlesscox.net> wrote in message
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Great. The country is being run by a recovering alcoholic. Worse, he's
sure "God is on his side". "God wants me to be president."
One of the suveniors my dad brought home from WWII was a Nazi belt buckle.
Its incription: GOTT MIT UNS.
Actually "GOT MIT UNS" was also the battlecry of Gustaphus Adolphus's troops
during the 30 years war.
I just don't get it. What do mittens have to do with it?
-Josh
and is that the source of those idiotic "got milk?" ads, too?
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| User: "Alan Jeffery" |
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01 May 2004 07:22:43 PM |
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"Josh Hayes" <josh@blarg.net> wrote in message
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"Alan Jeffery" <observa_NOSPAM@xtra.co.nz> wrote in message
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"RHertz" <rhertz314@spamlesscox.net> wrote in message
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Great. The country is being run by a recovering alcoholic. Worse,
he's
sure "God is on his side". "God wants me to be president."
One of the suveniors my dad brought home from WWII was a Nazi belt
buckle.
Its incription: GOTT MIT UNS.
Actually "GOT MIT UNS" was also the battlecry of Gustaphus Adolphus's
troops
during the 30 years war.
I just don't get it. What do mittens have to do with it?
They often fought on very cold days.
Alan Jeffery
-Josh
and is that the source of those idiotic "got milk?" ads, too?
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| User: "John Wilkins" |
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01 May 2004 11:01:49 PM |
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Josh Hayes <josh@blarg.net> wrote:
"Alan Jeffery" <observa_NOSPAM@xtra.co.nz> wrote:
"RHertz" <rhertz314@spamlesscox.net> wrote in message
news:r_hkc.47$nN6.39@lakeread06...
Great. The country is being run by a recovering alcoholic. Worse,
he's sure "God is on his side". "God wants me to be president."
One of the suveniors my dad brought home from WWII was a Nazi belt
buckle. Its incription: GOTT MIT UNS.
Actually "GOT MIT UNS" was also the battlecry of Gustaphus Adolphus's
troops during the 30 years war.
I just don't get it. What do mittens have to do with it?
Well have *you* ever tried to lay seige to Leningrad or any other
European city during winter without mittens? Hmm?
-Josh
and is that the source of those idiotic "got milk?" ads, too?
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John Wilkins
john_SPAM@wilkins.id.au http://www.wilkins.id.au
"Men mark it when they hit, but do not mark it when they miss"
- Francis Bacon
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| User: "Dick C" |
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30 Apr 2004 12:15:25 PM |
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RHertz wrote in talk.origins
Great. The country is being run by a recovering alcoholic. Worse, he's
sure "God is on his side". "God wants me to be president."
One would think that if god wanted shrub as president he would have made
sure that shrub got more votes than he did. Or did god cause all the
hanging chads? God of the chads?
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***** #1349
Damn it . . . Don't you dare ask God to help me.
To her housekeeper, who had begun to pray aloud.
~~ Joan Crawford, actress, d. May 10, 1977
Home Page: dickcr.iwarp.com
email:
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| User: "Harry K" |
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30 Apr 2004 09:10:42 PM |
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***** C <foo.dickcr@comcast.net> wrote in message news:<Xns94DB6910AA71Fdickcrcomcastnet@216.196.97.136>...
RHertz wrote in talk.origins
Great. The country is being run by a recovering alcoholic. Worse, he's
sure "God is on his side". "God wants me to be president."
One would think that if god wanted shrub as president he would have made
sure that shrub got more votes than he did. Or did god cause all the
hanging chads? God of the chads?
And to think of all the 'the sky will fall' warnings when Kennedy was
running for president. A Catholic for president?? Horrors. Well now
we have one who is tending to the fundamentalist side. Kennedy at
least never brought religion into his politics.
Harry K
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| User: "Dick C" |
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01 May 2004 10:52:58 AM |
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Harry K wrote in talk.origins
***** C <foo. > wrote in message
news:<Xns94DB6910AA71Fdickcrcomcastnet@216.196.97.136>...
RHertz wrote in talk.origins
Great. The country is being run by a recovering alcoholic. Worse,
he's sure "God is on his side". "God wants me to be president."
One would think that if god wanted shrub as president he would have
made sure that shrub got more votes than he did. Or did god cause all
the hanging chads? God of the chads?
And to think of all the 'the sky will fall' warnings when Kennedy was
running for president. A Catholic for president?? Horrors. Well now
we have one who is tending to the fundamentalist side. Kennedy at
least never brought religion into his politics.
In 1960 we saw a lot of protestant distrust of the Catholic church. And
now we see some people trying to resurrect that distrust. However, I
don't expect Bush to get into that, given his religious abuse. After
all, how can they complain about what the Catholic church might do with
Kerry in office, when their religion has exerted far more influence than
the Catholic Church did with Kennedy.
One of the things that is interesting is that a Catholic President has to
ensure that he does not allow the pope to influence the running of America,
in order to maintain public support. Unfortunately, Bush isn't under that
obligation because the religious influences are right here in America.
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***** #1349
Damn it . . . Don't you dare ask God to help me.
To her housekeeper, who had begun to pray aloud.
~~ Joan Crawford, actress, d. May 10, 1977
Home Page: dickcr.iwarp.com
email:
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| User: "RHertz" |
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02 May 2004 03:53:50 PM |
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Kerry won't have a problem being a Catholic. His stand on abortion is a
pretty strong statement on where Rome stands with him. Besides,
anti-catholic prejudice just ain't what it used to be. Kerry might have
less trouble if he was more, and not less devout. Many Catholics won't be
'energized' by a someone who disagrees with them on the key issue of
abortion. Still, there are a lot of catholics and lapsed catholics (my hand
in the air on that one) who don't care about the abortion issue. OTOH, Bush
has energized the evangelicals, and there is no way any of those people will
vote for Kerry. The more devout Catholics will probably vote for Bush than
Kerry because of things like the abortion issue.
I, for one, hate the abortion issue. It is an issue that will NEVER go
away, that serves only to polarize people about something that will never
personally affect 90%+ of them, that is being driven by the extremists on
both sides of it, and that is by no means the most important issue facing
us.
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Evolution: Making life better for over 4 billion years.
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| User: "Dick C" |
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02 May 2004 06:38:52 PM |
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RHertz wrote in talk.origins
Kerry won't have a problem being a Catholic. His stand on abortion is a
pretty strong statement on where Rome stands with him. Besides,
anti-catholic prejudice just ain't what it used to be. Kerry might have
less trouble if he was more, and not less devout. Many Catholics won't
be 'energized' by a someone who disagrees with them on the key issue of
abortion. Still, there are a lot of catholics and lapsed catholics (my
hand in the air on that one) who don't care about the abortion issue.
OTOH, Bush has energized the evangelicals, and there is no way any of
those people will vote for Kerry. The more devout Catholics will
probably vote for Bush than Kerry because of things like the abortion
issue.
I, for one, hate the abortion issue. It is an issue that will NEVER go
away, that serves only to polarize people about something that will
never personally affect 90%+ of them, that is being driven by the
extremists on both sides of it, and that is by no means the most
important issue facing us.
I am not so sure that it is being driven by the extremists on
the side of abortion. I know the the other side is constantly
bringing it up, trying to outlaw it, protesting, and working
very hard at keeping it in the front of everyone's minds. And that
drives the pro-abortion people to respond.
But you are right, abortion is legal, nobody is forced to have one,
and the argument only serves to hide the real issues.
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***** #1349
Damn it . . . Don't you dare ask God to help me.
To her housekeeper, who had begun to pray aloud.
~~ Joan Crawford, actress, d. May 10, 1977
Home Page: dickcr.iwarp.com
email:
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29 Apr 2004 08:57:35 PM |
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RHertz wrote:
Great. The country is being run by a recovering alcoholic. Worse, he's
sure "God is on his side". "God wants me to be president."
One of the suveniors my dad brought home from WWII was a Nazi belt buckle.
Its incription: GOTT MIT UNS.
Not the W. is a nazi, but it clearly shows that those who think "God is on
their side", may be, or perhaps usually are, wrong.
I wonder if shrub knows that Osama thinks god is on his side?
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| User: "catshark" |
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29 Apr 2004 10:34:47 PM |
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On Fri, 30 Apr 2004 01:57:35 +0000 (UTC), wrote:
RHertz wrote:
Great. The country is being run by a recovering alcoholic. Worse, he's
sure "God is on his side". "God wants me to be president."
One of the suveniors my dad brought home from WWII was a Nazi belt buckle.
Its incription: GOTT MIT UNS.
Not the W. is a nazi, but it clearly shows that those who think "God is on
their side", may be, or perhaps usually are, wrong.
I wonder if shrub knows that Osama thinks god is on his side?
Yeah . . . but Shrub knows it's the *wrong* god.
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J. Pieret
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It is not best to use our morals weekdays,
it gets them out of repair for Sunday.
-- Mark Twain --
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| User: "Stanley Friesen" |
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01 May 2004 08:19:31 AM |
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catshark <catshark@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Fri, 30 Apr 2004 01:57:35 +0000 (UTC), wrote:
RHertz wrote:
Great. The country is being run by a recovering alcoholic. Worse, he's
sure "God is on his side". "God wants me to be president."
One of the suveniors my dad brought home from WWII was a Nazi belt buckle.
Its incription: GOTT MIT UNS.
Not the W. is a nazi, but it clearly shows that those who think "God is on
their side", may be, or perhaps usually are, wrong.
I wonder if shrub knows that Osama thinks god is on his side?
Yeah . . . but Shrub knows it's the *wrong* god.
Which is hard to see, since it is the ultimately *same* God.
The peace of God be with you.
Stanley Friesen
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01 May 2004 10:11:42 AM |
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On Sat, 1 May 2004 13:19:31 +0000 (UTC), Stanley Friesen
<sarima@friesen.net> wrote:
catshark <catshark@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Fri, 30 Apr 2004 01:57:35 +0000 (UTC), wrote:
RHertz wrote:
Great. The country is being run by a recovering alcoholic. Worse, he's
sure "God is on his side". "God wants me to be president."
One of the suveniors my dad brought home from WWII was a Nazi belt buckle.
Its incription: GOTT MIT UNS.
Not the W. is a nazi, but it clearly shows that those who think "God is on
their side", may be, or perhaps usually are, wrong.
I wonder if shrub knows that Osama thinks god is on his side?
Yeah . . . but Shrub knows it's the *wrong* god.
Which is hard to see, since it is the ultimately *same* God.
It's funny how conservatives only get as far as "Judeo-Christian" when
descibing their god. Even funnier when you consider that Judaism shares
the main characteristic supposedly distinguishing Islam from Christianity.
The peace of God be with you.
Stanley Friesen
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J. Pieret
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To say that secular means irreligious implies
that all the arts and sciences are irreligious,
and is very like saying that all professions
except that of the law are illegal.
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| User: "Walter Bushell" |
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01 May 2004 08:02:09 PM |
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In article <paf790ho24615fvjn2tn7nd3l79ghrnu7h@4ax.com>,
catshark <catshark@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Sat, 1 May 2004 13:19:31 +0000 (UTC), Stanley Friesen
<sarima@friesen.net> wrote:
catshark <catshark@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Fri, 30 Apr 2004 01:57:35 +0000 (UTC), wrote:
RHertz wrote:
Great. The country is being run by a recovering alcoholic. Worse, he's
sure "God is on his side". "God wants me to be president."
One of the suveniors my dad brought home from WWII was a Nazi belt
buckle.
Its incription: GOTT MIT UNS.
Not the W. is a nazi, but it clearly shows that those who think "God is
on
their side", may be, or perhaps usually are, wrong.
I wonder if shrub knows that Osama thinks god is on his side?
Yeah . . . but Shrub knows it's the *wrong* god.
Which is hard to see, since it is the ultimately *same* God.
It's funny how conservatives only get as far as "Judeo-Christian" when
descibing their god. Even funnier when you consider that Judaism shares
the main characteristic supposedly distinguishing Islam from Christianity.
No, the Jews do not as a class particularly honor the prophet Mohammed,
nor accept the Quran as scripture.
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| User: "David Jensen" |
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01 May 2004 09:03:42 PM |
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In talk.origins, Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> wrote in
<proto-4A903A.21063201052004@reader2.panix.com>:
In article <paf790ho24615fvjn2tn7nd3l79ghrnu7h@4ax.com>,
catshark <catshark@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Sat, 1 May 2004 13:19:31 +0000 (UTC), Stanley Friesen
<sarima@friesen.net> wrote:
catshark <catshark@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Fri, 30 Apr 2004 01:57:35 +0000 (UTC), wrote:
RHertz wrote:
Great. The country is being run by a recovering alcoholic. Worse, he's
sure "God is on his side". "God wants me to be president."
One of the suveniors my dad brought home from WWII was a Nazi belt
buckle.
Its incription: GOTT MIT UNS.
Not the W. is a nazi, but it clearly shows that those who think "God is
on
their side", may be, or perhaps usually are, wrong.
I wonder if shrub knows that Osama thinks god is on his side?
Yeah . . . but Shrub knows it's the *wrong* god.
Which is hard to see, since it is the ultimately *same* God.
It's funny how conservatives only get as far as "Judeo-Christian" when
descibing their god. Even funnier when you consider that Judaism shares
the main characteristic supposedly distinguishing Islam from Christianity.
No, the Jews do not as a class particularly honor the prophet Mohammed,
nor accept the Quran as scripture.
That may be true, but Islam is far closer to Judaism than either are to
Christianity.
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01 May 2004 11:57:31 PM |
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In article <aul890daktf4q4gne9r0ossb9ilmqhk76p@4ax.com>,
David Jensen <david@dajensen-family.com> wrote:
In talk.origins, Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> wrote in
<proto-4A903A.21063201052004@reader2.panix.com>:
In article <paf790ho24615fvjn2tn7nd3l79ghrnu7h@4ax.com>,
catshark <catshark@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Sat, 1 May 2004 13:19:31 +0000 (UTC), Stanley Friesen
<sarima@friesen.net> wrote:
catshark <catshark@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Fri, 30 Apr 2004 01:57:35 +0000 (UTC), wrote:
RHertz wrote:
Great. The country is being run by a recovering alcoholic. Worse,
he's
sure "God is on his side". "God wants me to be president."
One of the suveniors my dad brought home from WWII was a Nazi belt
buckle.
Its incription: GOTT MIT UNS.
Not the W. is a nazi, but it clearly shows that those who think "God
is
on
their side", may be, or perhaps usually are, wrong.
I wonder if shrub knows that Osama thinks god is on his side?
Yeah . . . but Shrub knows it's the *wrong* god.
Which is hard to see, since it is the ultimately *same* God.
Is somebody here calling my President a Satanist? OTOH I have said that
W is worshiping one of them thar false Jesuses that ST. Paul talks
about, so I guess it's the same thing.
It's funny how conservatives only get as far as "Judeo-Christian" when
descibing their god. Even funnier when you consider that Judaism shares
the main characteristic supposedly distinguishing Islam from Christianity.
No, the Jews do not as a class particularly honor the prophet Mohammed,
nor accept the Quran as scripture.
That may be true, but Islam is far closer to Judaism than either are to
Christianity.
I think that depends on how you measure. Both Christianity and Judaism
allow the use of alcohol, for example.
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| User: "" |
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07 May 2004 09:04:54 PM |
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Walter Bushell wrote:
In article <aul890daktf4q4gne9r0ossb9ilmqhk76p@4ax.com>,
David Jensen <david@dajensen-family.com> wrote:
In talk.origins, Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> wrote in
<proto-4A903A.21063201052004@reader2.panix.com>:
In article <paf790ho24615fvjn2tn7nd3l79ghrnu7h@4ax.com>,
catshark <catshark@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Sat, 1 May 2004 13:19:31 +0000 (UTC), Stanley Friesen
<sarima@friesen.net> wrote:
catshark <catshark@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Fri, 30 Apr 2004 01:57:35 +0000 (UTC), wrote:
RHertz wrote:
Great. The country is being run by a recovering alcoholic. Worse,
he's
sure "God is on his side". "God wants me to be president."
One of the suveniors my dad brought home from WWII was a Nazi belt
buckle.
Its incription: GOTT MIT UNS.
Not the W. is a nazi, but it clearly shows that those who think "God
is
on
their side", may be, or perhaps usually are, wrong.
I wonder if shrub knows that Osama thinks god is on his side?
Yeah . . . but Shrub knows it's the *wrong* god.
Which is hard to see, since it is the ultimately *same* God.
Is somebody here calling my President a Satanist? OTOH I have said that
W is worshiping one of them thar false Jesuses that ST. Paul talks
about, so I guess it's the same thing.
It's funny how conservatives only get as far as "Judeo-Christian" when
descibing their god. Even funnier when you consider that Judaism shares
the main characteristic supposedly distinguishing Islam from Christianity.
No, the Jews do not as a class particularly honor the prophet Mohammed,
nor accept the Quran as scripture.
That may be true, but Islam is far closer to Judaism than either are to
Christianity.
I think that depends on how you measure. Both Christianity and Judaism
allow the use of alcohol, for example.
Christianity does not allow the use of alcohol. Those "christian" cults
that do allow it are false religions.
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| User: "Stanley Friesen" |
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08 May 2004 09:34:21 AM |
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wrote:
Christianity does not allow the use of alcohol. Those "christian" cults
that do allow it are false religions.
Really? On what scriptural basis?
The peace of God be with you.
Stanley Friesen
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| User: "Pithecanthropus Erectus" |
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08 May 2004 06:26:39 AM |
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wrote:
Walter Bushell wrote:
In article <aul890daktf4q4gne9r0ossb9ilmqhk76p@4ax.com>,
David Jensen <david@dajensen-family.com> wrote:
In talk.origins, Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> wrote in
<proto-4A903A.21063201052004@reader2.panix.com>:
In article <paf790ho24615fvjn2tn7nd3l79ghrnu7h@4ax.com>,
catshark <catshark@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Sat, 1 May 2004 13:19:31 +0000 (UTC), Stanley Friesen
<sarima@friesen.net> wrote:
catshark <catshark@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Fri, 30 Apr 2004 01:57:35 +0000 (UTC), wrote:
RHertz wrote:
Great. The country is being run by a recovering alcoholic. Worse,
he's
sure "God is on his side". "God wants me to be president."
One of the suveniors my dad brought home from WWII was a Nazi belt
buckle.
Its incription: GOTT MIT UNS.
Not the W. is a nazi, but it clearly shows that those who think "God
is
on
their side", may be, or perhaps usually are, wrong.
I wonder if shrub knows that Osama thinks god is on his side?
Yeah . . . but Shrub knows it's the *wrong* god.
Which is hard to see, since it is the ultimately *same* God.
Is somebody here calling my President a Satanist? OTOH I have said that
W is worshiping one of them thar false Jesuses that ST. Paul talks
about, so I guess it's the same thing.
It's funny how conservatives only get as far as "Judeo-Christian" when
descibing their god. Even funnier when you consider that Judaism shares
the main characteristic supposedly distinguishing Islam from Christianity.
No, the Jews do not as a class particularly honor the prophet Mohammed,
nor accept the Quran as scripture.
That may be true, but Islam is far closer to Judaism than either are to
Christianity.
I think that depends on how you measure. Both Christianity and Judaism
allow the use of alcohol, for example.
Christianity does not allow the use of alcohol. Those "christian" cults
that do allow it are false religions.
The largest cult being the Catholic Church?
--
"The countries the most famous and the most respected of antiquity are
those which distinguished themselves by promoting and patronizing
science, and on the contrary those which neglected or discouraged it are
universally denominated rude and barbarous. The patronage which Britain
has shown to Arts, Science and Literature has given her a better
established and lasting rank in the world than she ever acquired by her
arms."
Thomas Paine
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| User: "Walter Bushell" |
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08 May 2004 12:48:36 AM |
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In article <409C42C2.9E4B9D95@erols.com>,
wrote:
Walter Bushell wrote:
In article <aul890daktf4q4gne9r0ossb9ilmqhk76p@4ax.com>,
David Jensen <david@dajensen-family.com> wrote:
In talk.origins, Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> wrote in
<proto-4A903A.21063201052004@reader2.panix.com>:
In article <paf790ho24615fvjn2tn7nd3l79ghrnu7h@4ax.com>,
catshark <catshark@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Sat, 1 May 2004 13:19:31 +0000 (UTC), Stanley Friesen
<sarima@friesen.net> wrote:
catshark <catshark@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Fri, 30 Apr 2004 01:57:35 +0000 (UTC),
wrote:
RHertz wrote:
Great. The country is being run by a recovering alcoholic.
Worse,
he's
sure "God is on his side". "God wants me to be president."
One of the suveniors my dad brought home from WWII was a Nazi
belt
buckle.
Its incription: GOTT MIT UNS.
Not the W. is a nazi, but it clearly shows that those who think
"God
is
on
their side", may be, or perhaps usually are, wrong.
I wonder if shrub knows that Osama thinks god is on his side?
Yeah . . . but Shrub knows it's the *wrong* god.
Which is hard to see, since it is the ultimately *same* God.
Is somebody here calling my President a Satanist? OTOH I have said that
W is worshiping one of them thar false Jesuses that ST. Paul talks
about, so I guess it's the same thing.
It's funny how conservatives only get as far as "Judeo-Christian" when
descibing their god. Even funnier when you consider that Judaism
shares
the main characteristic supposedly distinguishing Islam from
Christianity.
No, the Jews do not as a class particularly honor the prophet Mohammed,
nor accept the Quran as scripture.
That may be true, but Islam is far closer to Judaism than either are to
Christianity.
I think that depends on how you measure. Both Christianity and Judaism
allow the use of alcohol, for example.
Christianity does not allow the use of alcohol. Those "christian" cults
that do allow it are false religions.
If you're going to troll, at least do it from someplace other than the
university of Ediacara.
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| User: "lodger" |
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| Title: Re: Understanding the President and His God |
08 May 2004 01:09:59 AM |
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In article <409C42C2.9E4B9D95@erols.com>,
wrote:
Walter Bushell wrote:
In article <aul890daktf4q4gne9r0ossb9ilmqhk76p@4ax.com>,
David Jensen <david@dajensen-family.com> wrote:
In talk.origins, Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> wrote in
<proto-4A903A.21063201052004@reader2.panix.com>:
In article <paf790ho24615fvjn2tn7nd3l79ghrnu7h@4ax.com>,
catshark <catshark@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Sat, 1 May 2004 13:19:31 +0000 (UTC), Stanley Friesen
<sarima@friesen.net> wrote:
catshark <catshark@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Fri, 30 Apr 2004 01:57:35 +0000 (UTC),
wrote:
RHertz wrote:
Great. The country is being run by a recovering alcoholic.
Worse,
he's
sure "God is on his side". "God wants me to be president."
One of the suveniors my dad brought home from WWII was a Nazi
belt
buckle.
Its incription: GOTT MIT UNS.
Not the W. is a nazi, but it clearly shows that those who think
"God
is
on
their side", may be, or perhaps usually are, wrong.
I wonder if shrub knows that Osama thinks god is on his side?
Yeah . . . but Shrub knows it's the *wrong* god.
Which is hard to see, since it is the ultimately *same* God.
Is somebody here calling my President a Satanist? OTOH I have said that
W is worshiping one of them thar false Jesuses that ST. Paul talks
about, so I guess it's the same thing.
It's funny how conservatives only get as far as "Judeo-Christian" when
descibing their god. Even funnier when you consider that Judaism
shares
the main characteristic supposedly distinguishing Islam from
Christianity.
No, the Jews do not as a class particularly honor the prophet Mohammed,
nor accept the Quran as scripture.
That may be true, but Islam is far closer to Judaism than either are to
Christianity.
I think that depends on how you measure. Both Christianity and Judaism
allow the use of alcohol, for example.
Christianity does not allow the use of alcohol. Those "christian" cults
that do allow it are false religions.
Yeah, especially that Jesus guy in the Bible who turned water into wine.
That guy, how dare he be called a Christian?!?!
--
Lodger
"If Jack Kerouac had a Gameboy he never would have written 'On the Road"
- The Citizen Harold
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| User: "Jez" |
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09 May 2004 05:35:31 AM |
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"lodger" <thelodger@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:thelodger-C3F81D.01165108052004@news-60.giganews.com...
Christianity does not allow the use of alcohol. Those "christian" cults
that do allow it are false religions.
Yeah, especially that Jesus guy in the Bible who turned water into wine.
That guy, how dare he be called a Christian?!?!
Hey the wine was nothing.........
http://www.cannabisculture.com/backissues/cc11/christ.html
That guy was into some HEAVY ***** !!
--
Jez
"The condition of alienation, of being asleep, of being unconscious,
of being out of one's mind, is the condition of the normal man. Society
highly values its normal man.It educates children to lose themselves
and to become absurd,and thus to be normal. Normal men have killed
perhaps 100,000,000 of their fellow normal men in the last fifty years."
R.D. Laing
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| User: "David Jensen" |
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| Title: Re: Understanding the President and His God |
08 May 2004 08:21:42 AM |
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In talk.origins, lodger <thelodger@yahoo.com> wrote in
<thelodger-C3F81D.01165108052004@news-60.giganews.com>:
In article <409C42C2.9E4B9D95@erols.com>,
wrote:
Walter Bushell wrote:
In article <aul890daktf4q4gne9r0ossb9ilmqhk76p@4ax.com>,
David Jensen <david@dajensen-family.com> wrote:
In talk.origins, Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> wrote in
<proto-4A903A.21063201052004@reader2.panix.com>:
In article <paf790ho24615fvjn2tn7nd3l79ghrnu7h@4ax.com>,
catshark <catshark@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Sat, 1 May 2004 13:19:31 +0000 (UTC), Stanley Friesen
<sarima@friesen.net> wrote:
catshark <catshark@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Fri, 30 Apr 2004 01:57:35 +0000 (UTC),
wrote:
RHertz wrote:
Great. The country is being run by a recovering alcoholic.
Worse,
he's
sure "God is on his side". "God wants me to be president."
One of the suveniors my dad brought home from WWII was a Nazi
belt
buckle.
Its incription: GOTT MIT UNS.
Not the W. is a nazi, but it clearly shows that those who think
"God
is
on
their side", may be, or perhaps usually are, wrong.
I wonder if shrub knows that Osama thinks god is on his side?
Yeah . . . but Shrub knows it's the *wrong* god.
Which is hard to see, since it is the ultimately *same* God.
Is somebody here calling my President a Satanist? OTOH I have said that
W is worshiping one of them thar false Jesuses that ST. Paul talks
about, so I guess it's the same thing.
It's funny how conservatives only get as far as "Judeo-Christian" when
descibing their god. Even funnier when you consider that Judaism
shares
the main characteristic supposedly distinguishing Islam from
Christianity.
No, the Jews do not as a class particularly honor the prophet Mohammed,
nor accept the Quran as scripture.
That may be true, but Islam is far closer to Judaism than either are to
Christianity.
I think that depends on how you measure. Both Christianity and Judaism
allow the use of alcohol, for example.
Christianity does not allow the use of alcohol. Those "christian" cults
that do allow it are false religions.
Yeah, especially that Jesus guy in the Bible who turned water into wine.
That guy, how dare he be called a Christian?!?!
There are many so-called Christians who would never model their life
after Jesus.
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| User: "Walter Bushell" |
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| Title: Re: Understanding the President and His God |
08 May 2004 09:51:09 AM |
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In article <t0op90l26uasejh5nmaqsr8dtnk90quqi1@4ax.com>,
David Jensen <david@dajensen-family.com> wrote:
In talk.origins, lodger <thelodger@yahoo.com> wrote in
<thelodger-C3F81D.01165108052004@news-60.giganews.com>:
In article <409C42C2.9E4B9D95@erols.com>,
wrote:
Walter Bushell wrote:
In article <aul890daktf4q4gne9r0ossb9ilmqhk76p@4ax.com>,
David Jensen <david@dajensen-family.com> wrote:
In talk.origins, Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> wrote in
<proto-4A903A.21063201052004@reader2.panix.com>:
In article <paf790ho24615fvjn2tn7nd3l79ghrnu7h@4ax.com>,
catshark <catshark@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Sat, 1 May 2004 13:19:31 +0000 (UTC), Stanley Friesen
<sarima@friesen.net> wrote:
catshark <catshark@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Fri, 30 Apr 2004 01:57:35 +0000 (UTC),
wrote:
RHertz wrote:
Great. The country is being run by a recovering alcoholic.
Worse,
he's
sure "God is on his side". "God wants me to be president."
One of the suveniors my dad brought home from WWII was a Nazi
belt
buckle.
Its incription: GOTT MIT UNS.
Not the W. is a nazi, but it clearly shows that those who
think
"God
is
on
their side", may be, or perhaps usually are, wrong.
I wonder if shrub knows that Osama thinks god is on his side?
Yeah . . . but Shrub knows it's the *wrong* god.
Which is hard to see, since it is the ultimately *same* God.
Is somebody here calling my President a Satanist? OTOH I have said that
W is worshiping one of them thar false Jesuses that ST. Paul talks
about, so I guess it's the same thing.
It's funny how conservatives only get as far as "Judeo-Christian"
when
descibing their god. Even funnier when you consider that Judaism
shares
the main characteristic supposedly distinguishing Islam from
Christianity.
No, the Jews do not as a class particularly honor the prophet
Mohammed,
nor accept the Quran as scripture.
That may be true, but Islam is far closer to Judaism than either are
to
Christianity.
I think that depends on how you measure. Both Christianity and Judaism
allow the use of alcohol, for example.
Christianity does not allow the use of alcohol. Those "christian" cults
that do allow it are false religions.
Yeah, especially that Jesus guy in the Bible who turned water into wine.
That guy, how dare he be called a Christian?!?!
There are many so-called Christians who would never model their life
after Jesus.
Don't the ones that do usually end up in mental hospitals?
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| User: "SMChristenson" |
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| Title: Re: Understanding the President and His God |
08 May 2004 07:12:51 PM |
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On Sat, 08 May 2004 14:51:09 +0000, Walter Bushell wrote:
In article <t0op90l26uasejh5nmaqsr8dtnk90quqi1@4ax.com>,
David Jensen <david@dajensen-family.com> wrote:
In talk.origins, lodger <thelodger@yahoo.com> wrote in
<thelodger-C3F81D.01165108052004@news-60.giganews.com>:
In article <409C42C2.9E4B9D95@erols.com>,
wrote:
Walter Bushell wrote:
In article <aul890daktf4q4gne9r0ossb9ilmqhk76p@4ax.com>,
David Jensen <david@dajensen-family.com> wrote:
In talk.origins, Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> wrote in
<proto-4A903A.21063201052004@reader2.panix.com>:
In article <paf790ho24615fvjn2tn7nd3l79ghrnu7h@4ax.com>,
catshark <catshark@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Sat, 1 May 2004 13:19:31 +0000 (UTC), Stanley Friesen
<sarima@friesen.net> wrote:
catshark <catshark@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Fri, 30 Apr 2004 01:57:35 +0000 (UTC),
wrote:
RHertz wrote:
Great. The country is being run by a recovering alcoholic.
Worse,
he's
sure "God is on his side". "God wants me to be president."
One of the suveniors my dad brought home from WWII was a Nazi
belt
buckle.
Its incription: GOTT MIT UNS.
Not the W. is a nazi, but it clearly shows that those who
think
"God
is
on
their side", may be, or perhaps usually are, wrong.
I wonder if shrub knows that Osama thinks god is on his side?
Yeah . . . but Shrub knows it's the *wrong* god.
Which is hard to see, since it is the ultimately *same* God.
Is somebody here calling my President a Satanist? OTOH I have said that
W is worshiping one of them thar false Jesuses that ST. Paul talks
about, so I guess it's the same thing.
It's funny how conservatives only get as far as "Judeo-Christian"
when
descibing their god. Even funnier when you consider that Judaism
shares
the main characteristic supposedly distinguishing Islam from
Christianity.
No, the Jews do not as a class particularly honor the prophet
Mohammed,
nor accept the Quran as scripture.
That may be true, but Islam is far closer to Judaism than either are
to
Christianity.
I think that depends on how you measure. Both Christianity and Judaism
allow the use of alcohol, for example.
Christianity does not allow the use of alcohol. Those "christian" cults
that do allow it are false religions.
Yeah, especially that Jesus guy in the Bible who turned water into wine.
That guy, how dare he be called a Christian?!?!
There are many so-called Christians who would never model their life
after Jesus.
Don't the ones that do usually end up in mental hospitals?
Better Jesus than Yahweh. Follow Leviticus and you end up in prison.
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| User: "AC" |
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| Title: Re: Understanding the President and His God |
08 May 2004 09:47:04 PM |
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On Sat, 8 May 2004 13:21:42 +0000 (UTC),
David Jensen <david@dajensen-family.com> wrote:
In talk.origins, lodger <thelodger@yahoo.com> wrote in
<thelodger-C3F81D.01165108052004@news-60.giganews.com>:
In article <409C42C2.9E4B9D95@erols.com>,
wrote:
Walter Bushell wrote:
In article <aul890daktf4q4gne9r0ossb9ilmqhk76p@4ax.com>,
David Jensen <david@dajensen-family.com> wrote:
In talk.origins, Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> wrote in
<proto-4A903A.21063201052004@reader2.panix.com>:
In article <paf790ho24615fvjn2tn7nd3l79ghrnu7h@4ax.com>,
catshark <catshark@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Sat, 1 May 2004 13:19:31 +0000 (UTC), Stanley Friesen
<sarima@friesen.net> wrote:
catshark <catshark@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Fri, 30 Apr 2004 01:57:35 +0000 (UTC),
wrote:
RHertz wrote:
Great. The country is being run by a recovering alcoholic.
Worse,
he's
sure "God is on his side". "God wants me to be president."
One of the suveniors my dad brought home from WWII was a Nazi
belt
buckle.
Its incription: GOTT MIT UNS.
Not the W. is a nazi, but it clearly shows that those who think
"God
is
on
their side", may be, or perhaps usually are, wrong.
I wonder if shrub knows that Osama thinks god is on his side?
Yeah . . . but Shrub knows it's the *wrong* god.
Which is hard to see, since it is the ultimately *same* God.
Is somebody here calling my President a Satanist? OTOH I have said that
W is worshiping one of them thar false Jesuses that ST. Paul talks
about, so I guess it's the same thing.
It's funny how conservatives only get as far as "Judeo-Christian" when
descibing their god. Even funnier when you consider that Judaism
shares
the main characteristic supposedly distinguishing Islam from
Christianity.
No, the Jews do not as a class particularly honor the prophet Mohammed,
nor accept the Quran as scripture.
That may be true, but Islam is far closer to Judaism than either are to
Christianity.
I think that depends on how you measure. Both Christianity and Judaism
allow the use of alcohol, for example.
Christianity does not allow the use of alcohol. Those "christian" cults
that do allow it are false religions.
Yeah, especially that Jesus guy in the Bible who turned water into wine.
That guy, how dare he be called a Christian?!?!
There are many so-called Christians who would never model their life
after Jesus.
That hippy pinko *****? We have too many of those no-good leaches running
around bleeding our God-fearing Christian society. I here that he even
hangs around hookers and the taxman.
--
Aaron Clausen
mightymartianca@hotmail.com
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| User: "David Jensen" |
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| Title: Re: Understanding the President and His God |
07 May 2004 10:37:37 PM |
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In talk.origins, wrote in
<409C42C2.9E4B9D95@erols.com>:
Walter Bushell wrote:
In article <aul890daktf4q4gne9r0ossb9ilmqhk76p@4ax.com>,
David Jensen <david@dajensen-family.com> wrote:
In talk.origins, Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> wrote in
<proto-4A903A.21063201052004@reader2.panix.com>:
In article <paf790ho24615fvjn2tn7nd3l79ghrnu7h@4ax.com>,
catshark <catshark@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Sat, 1 May 2004 13:19:31 +0000 (UTC), Stanley Friesen
<sarima@friesen.net> wrote:
catshark <catshark@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Fri, 30 Apr 2004 01:57:35 +0000 (UTC), wrote:
RHertz wrote:
Great. The country is being run by a recovering alcoholic. Worse,
he's
sure "God is on his side". "God wants me to be president."
One of the suveniors my dad brought home from WWII was a Nazi belt
buckle.
Its incription: GOTT MIT UNS.
Not the W. is a nazi, but it clearly shows that those who think "God
is
on
their side", may be, or perhaps usually are, wrong.
I wonder if shrub knows that Osama thinks god is on his side?
Yeah . . . but Shrub knows it's the *wrong* god.
Which is hard to see, since it is the ultimately *same* God.
Is somebody here calling my President a Satanist? OTOH I have said that
W is worshiping one of them thar false Jesuses that ST. Paul talks
about, so I guess it's the same thing.
It's funny how conservatives only get as far as "Judeo-Christian" when
descibing their god. Even funnier when you consider that Judaism shares
the main characteristic supposedly distinguishing Islam from Christianity.
No, the Jews do not as a class particularly honor the prophet Mohammed,
nor accept the Quran as scripture.
That may be true, but Islam is far closer to Judaism than either are to
Christianity.
I think that depends on how you measure. Both Christianity and Judaism
allow the use of alcohol, for example.
Christianity does not allow the use of alcohol. Those "christian" cults
that do allow it are false religions.
Where is alcohol forbidden? Is it when Jesus turned water into wine? Is
it when Jesus told his disciples to drink the wine as a rememberance of
him?
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