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Religions > Atheism |
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"Kenny Leong" |
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29 Feb 2004 08:16:01 PM |
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Undisputable proof - christianity is a hoax |
Fatal contradiction in the bible story leads to the final correct
conclusion that the description of 'god' as described in the bible is
wrong.
It's easy....
1) 'god's product (humans etc) were not around at one time
2) 'god' was around before his/her/its product (humans etc) were
around.
3) 'god' decides to create people, but people aren't around yet,
because 'god' hasn't made them yet
4) since 'god' is all-knowing, then god knew in advance every single
thing that he/she/it would make, and more importantly, 'god' knows
every single mechanical movement of the future product because is
supposed to be all-knowing, perfect planning, and perfect designing.
5) product is still not yet around as god hasn't made it
6) but god already knows every single mechanical movement, every
action, of the future product that he/she/it will make due to full
knowledge, perfect planning, and perfect design in advance.
7) product is still not yet around as god hasn't made it
8) look at point 6)
9) look at point 5)
10) look at point 6)
11) look at point 5)
12) look at point 6)
13) look at point 5) (ie product is still not around yet)
etc etc etc
The above shows that the product doesn't even have to made, and yet
'god' would know every single mechanical action of any 'future'
product due to perfect planning, and perfect design with full
knowledge of everything. Any thinking person would know that if
everything is already known about the product, particular all it's
future mechanical moves, then the future product would have no
free-will, because all the mechanical moves were chosen in advance by
perfect planning and perfect design.
But the bible also insists that 'god' gave people free-will. These
brings up a fatal contradiction between free-will and the fundamental
attributes of 'god' as described in the bible.
Kenny L.
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| User: "pan" |
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| Title: Re: Undisputable proof - christianity is a hoax |
29 Feb 2004 09:29:21 PM |
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On 29 Feb 2004 18:16:01 -0800, (Kenny Leong)
wrote:
Fatal contradiction in the bible story leads to the final correct
conclusion that the description of 'god' as described in the bible is
wrong.
It's easy....
1) 'god's product (humans etc) were not around at one time
2) 'god' was around before his/her/its product (humans etc) were
around.
3) 'god' decides to create people, but people aren't around yet,
because 'god' hasn't made them yet
4) since 'god' is all-knowing, then god knew in advance every single
thing that he/she/it would make, and more importantly, 'god' knows
every single mechanical movement of the future product because is
supposed to be all-knowing, perfect planning, and perfect designing.
5) product is still not yet around as god hasn't made it
6) but god already knows every single mechanical movement, every
action, of the future product that he/she/it will make due to full
knowledge, perfect planning, and perfect design in advance.
7) product is still not yet around as god hasn't made it
8) look at point 6)
9) look at point 5)
10) look at point 6)
11) look at point 5)
12) look at point 6)
13) look at point 5) (ie product is still not around yet)
etc etc etc
The above shows that the product doesn't even have to made, and yet
'god' would know every single mechanical action of any 'future'
product due to perfect planning, and perfect design with full
knowledge of everything. Any thinking person would know that if
everything is already known about the product, particular all it's
future mechanical moves, then the future product would have no
free-will, because all the mechanical moves were chosen in advance by
perfect planning and perfect design.
But the bible also insists that 'god' gave people free-will. These
brings up a fatal contradiction between free-will and the fundamental
attributes of 'god' as described in the bible.
I pretty much agree with everything you've said here.
To the argument you've presented some Christians have retorted with
things like:
God is all-powerfull (and/or God is not limited by logic), therefore
God has the power to grant us 'free will'.
But what I think these Christians fail to realize is that:
Mankind not having free-will (From God's perspective), is not a sign
of limits to God's powers; It would in-fact be a *consequence* of
his unlimited power and unlimited knowledge.
That is to say: God knowing and creating **all** the causes for
our behavior is not a sign of his 'powers' being limited.
Presumably,
An all-powerful all-knowing creator God can't contradict the fact that
it is all-powerful and all-knowing.
e.g. It can't create a god more powerful than itself.
He can't create a rock so big that 'He', himself, can't lift it.
And this god can't *not have*: knowingly created the reasons for
*all* of our actions (both good and bad).
pan
Kenny L.
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