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buSHAMErica, the land of human rights.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/story/0,,2047128,00.html

Does it matter if the Iranians save torture for their own people:

http://hrw.org/englishwr2k7/docs/2007/01/11/iran14703.htm

It would... were it not for the fact that the US tortures it own
people at Gitmo as well.

So it does'nt matter how many suffer as long as a political point is
made?

We don't really have a lot of moral authority at thsi point.

There is no condoning what happens at Gitmo but compared to the
sheer
numbers of victims and the malevolent creativity of both Iraq and
Iran
in
the last couple of decades concerning human rights, Gitmo torturers
look
like half hearted amateurs.

Right, all those dead people at Abu Ghraib just turned up dead all
by
themselves.

Are they just grabbing those people off the street, if you have proof
they
are it would help make a more informed decision. Or are they dealing
with
people like Sheikh Omar Saeed and Khalid Sheikh Mohammed ?

Oh I get it, the 16 YO boy who was raped at Abu Ghraib was really just
a "college prank"

Yep, that vaunted GOPedophile moral superiority

http://la.indymedia.org/news/2006/02/147600.php

I share your outrage at such disgusting treatment and leaving bloody
sadist
like that in charge of intterogating suspected terrorist is not only
inhuman
for the captives but counter productive from a moral stance.

There is a need to find some way to obtain information from suspected
terrorist that may stop much worse things happening to a far greater
number
of people preferably before it happens.

There are still people turning up on the streets of Iraq:

No eyes, fingernails, fingers, toes, noses, ears missing
Power drill holes in them
Badly beaten, electrocuted, acid burns, cigarrete burns

I agree with you, which is why it disgusts me so when we are the one
dealing out the cigarette burns as well.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=20070219&articleId=4865

"During my captivity in the camp, I was interrogated and tortured
twice. Each time I was threatened that I would be sent to Guantanamo
Bay prison. During this period, I heard from my fellow detainees that
they were tortured by cigarette burns, injected with hallucinating
chemicals and had their rectum inserted with various types of
instruments, such as wooden sticks and pipes. They would return to the
camp, bleeding profusely. Some had their bones broken."


The Terry Jones piece was snark, but it serves a point: How serious
are we about human rights?

mainly dead.

It should DEFINITLY not done as a matter course for the sick amusment of
some messed up interogator, if information was needed fast to prevent
another event like 9/11 - well better a few burns than loads of deaths.

While such an event is theoretically possible,

A) This has never been observed in real life.
B) If we use this justification to torture, why can't other people
(say Iran)?

Countries like Iran use torture as part of the judical system, it is an
everyday fact of life affecting thousands of nationals so comparing other
countries that use such atrocious acts on a very small number of people in
exceptional circumstances is difficult. Not excusable but difficult.

Lee

And this is not so much to gain information but to spread fear
throughout
the population, finding out and stopping terrorist groups that carry out
such revolting atrocoties must be of some urgent importance. And
claiming
that all this is organised by Bush won't do it as there is too much
proof
on
human rights websites of who the perpertrators are.

This has been going on since the Baath party came into power 41 years
ago
so
it is not a sudden phenonema that is a result of coelition forces being
in
Iraq either.

Lee

Wed Feb 15, 2006 at 06:11:27 AM PDT
The Sacramento Bee today reports that in at least one case, the minor
child of a prisoner was abused to get his father to talk, according to
testimony provided to the House Government Reform subcommittee.

[Spc. Samuel] Provance made a new allegation about the Abu Ghraib
controversy, saying that U.S. forces had captured the 16-year-old son
of an Iraqi general under Saddam Hussein, Hamid Zabar, to pressure the
general into providing information.

According to the respected Austrian paper Der Standard, Zabar's son
was hosed down with ice water and locked into a cell block with
another prisoner notorious for raping fellow inmates. At this point,
it is not known whether the minor was actually raped. Apparently the
tactic backfired, as General Zabar was "so devastated that he was
incapable of giving further testimony".

Lee

Its seems no good going into the details as apparently nobody cares
what
Iraqis do to each other, it is like they have a divine right to
mutilate
and
kill with total impunity from scrutiny.

Why concentrate on 2-300 US held prisoners and disregard those that
have
slaughtered, tortured and mutilated hundreds of thousands in dozens
of
novel
and creative ways.

Lee

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