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18 Jan 2005 07:58:28 AM |
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Unwanted babies' heads can be ripped clean off |
www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,11966176%255E1702,00.html
Baby's head found at car park
From correspondents in Tokyo
17jan05
A SEVERED head of a newborn baby was found in a parking lot of a
company office in central Japan today, police said.
"The head was not cut with a knife. It appears that the head was
pulled from the body," a police spokesman said.
Police believed the baby was only two to three days old.
An employee at the shipping equipment manufacturer found the head this
morning at Oyama in Tochigi prefecture, 75km north of Tokyo.
No other details were immediately available, the spokesman said.
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18 Jan 2005 11:59:19 PM |
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(Russell B Waters) wrote in
news:3dd04a94.0501172358.73e88a27@posting.google.com:
www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,11966176%255E1702,00
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Baby's head found at car park
Hmmm. I suppose you oppose this sort of thing. You don't actually say.
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Wart inhale dough way cur?
Hurl, hurl, door gong's oil hair!
Wart inhale dough way cur, nor?
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| User: "Rune B." |
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18 Jan 2005 09:07:02 AM |
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On 17 Jan 2005 23:58:28 -0800, (Russell B
Waters) wrote:
www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,11966176%255E1702,00.html
Baby's head found at car park
I know sex and female anatomy eludes you, but abortion is the act of
killing a baby *long before* it's born. Not after.
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| User: "Craig Chilton -- Countdown to 1/20/09: 1,467 days to BYE-BYE Bushie! Forever!!" |
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18 Jan 2005 01:45:30 PM |
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On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 10:07:02 +0100,
Rune B. <sp@mag.net> wrote:
Russell B. Waters <rustywaters@mailinator.com> wrote:
www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,11966176%255E1702,00.html
Baby's head found at car park
I know sex and female anatomy eludes you, but abortion
is the act of killing a baby *long before* it's born. Not after.
And to fine-tune that a bit further, abortion doesn't involve
babies at all. Never has. Never will. ALL **babies** have been
BORN. Abortion affects nothing more than mere reproductive-
process entities which have not achieved personhood, and neither
have, nor deserve, any rights.
-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com>
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| User: "Phil #3" |
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18 Jan 2005 02:30:44 PM |
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"Craig Chilton -- Countdown to 1/20/09: 1,467 days to BYE-BYE Bushie!
Forever!!" <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote in message
news:41ed120f.36151439@netnews.mchsi.com...
On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 10:07:02 +0100,
Rune B. <sp@mag.net> wrote:
Russell B. Waters <rustywaters@mailinator.com> wrote:
www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,11966176%255E1702,00.html
Baby's head found at car park
I know sex and female anatomy eludes you, but abortion
is the act of killing a baby *long before* it's born. Not after.
And to fine-tune that a bit further, abortion doesn't involve
babies at all. Never has. Never will. ALL **babies** have been
BORN. Abortion affects nothing more than mere reproductive-
process entities which have not achieved personhood, and neither
have, nor deserve, any rights.
Scott Peterson might be surprised to hear this. :)
Phil #3
-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com>
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| User: "Gactimus" |
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18 Jan 2005 03:03:53 PM |
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(Craig Chilton -- Countdown to 1/20/09: 1,467 days to
BYE-BYE Bushie! Forever!!) wrote in
news:41ed120f.36151439@netnews.mchsi.com:
On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 10:07:02 +0100,
Rune B. <sp@mag.net> wrote:
Russell B. Waters <rustywaters@mailinator.com> wrote:
www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,11966176%255E1702,00.
html
Baby's head found at car park
I know sex and female anatomy eludes you, but abortion
is the act of killing a baby *long before* it's born. Not after.
And to fine-tune that a bit further, abortion doesn't involve
babies at all. Never has. Never will. ALL **babies** have been
BORN. Abortion affects nothing more than mere reproductive-
process entities which have not achieved personhood, and neither
have, nor deserve, any rights.
Only a ***** like yourself would play word games to justify killing.
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| User: "Craig Chilton -- Countdown to 1/20/09: 1,467 days to BYE-BYE Bushie! Forever!!" |
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19 Jan 2005 04:41:12 AM |
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On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 15:03:53 GMT,
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com>wrote:
Rune B. <sp@mag.net> wrote:
Russell B. Waters <rustywaters@mailinator.com> wrote:
www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,11966176%255E1702,00.html
Baby's head found at car park
I know sex and female anatomy eludes you, but abortion
is the act of killing a baby *long before* it's born. Not after.
And to fine-tune that a bit further, abortion doesn't involve
babies at all. Never has. Never will. ALL **babies** have been
BORN. Abortion affects nothing more than mere reproductive-
process entities which have not achieved personhood, and neither
have, nor deserve, any rights.
Only a ***** like yourself would play word games to
justify killing.
THANKS!!! If a neocon loser ever AGREED with me,
I'd have to wonder if I were doing my job right, as an egali-
tarian defender of personal liberties.
As for "killing," the only instance of that having any
significance was the infanticide mentioned at the top of
the post. Which I never even REMOTELY condoned.
-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com>
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Every time a person supports bigotry in public, and presents NO
relevant FACTS to back his/her stance in behalf of a loathsome
agenda against individual liberties and human rights, that person
has -- ironically -- further **damaged** the cause he/she supports.
And every time a fair-minded and sensible egalitarian opposes
such a bigot, publicly, and **presents** relevant FACTS that are
damaging to the bigot's agenda, that TOO is an additional nail in
the coffin lid of the agenda, and a push of that casket CLOSER
to the Drain of Extinction -- its well-deserved ultimate destination.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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18 Jan 2005 06:35:57 PM |
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On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 15:03:53 GMT, Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> said in
alt.atheism:
Only a ***** like yourself would play word games to justify killing.
Your bible has nothing against killing. It even condones murder, if
your god orders it.
What it DOESN'T condemn, in a criminal sense, is the killing of a
fetus. In fact, it specifically states, in totally unambiguous
language, that killing the fetus in the womb, against the wishes of
the FATHER, is a CIVIL TORT against the father. It SAYS that this is
nothing like killing the MOTHER, which IS a crime (albeit a crime of
property destruction).
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| User: "wp123" |
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19 Jan 2005 03:00:46 AM |
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Craig Chilton -- Countdown to 1/20/09: 1,467 days to BYE-BYE Bushie!
Forever!! wrote:
On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 10:07:02 +0100,
Rune B. <sp@mag.net> wrote:
Russell B. Waters <rustywaters@mailinator.com> wrote:
www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,11966176%255E1702,00.html
Baby's head found at car park
I know sex and female anatomy eludes you, but abortion
is the act of killing a baby *long before* it's born. Not after.
And to fine-tune that a bit further, abortion doesn't involve
babies at all. Never has. Never will. ALL **babies** have been
BORN. Abortion affects nothing more than mere reproductive-
process entities which have not achieved personhood, and neither
have, nor deserve, any rights.
How do you know that?
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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19 Jan 2005 11:25:43 PM |
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On 18 Jan 2005 19:00:46 -0800, "wp123" <WILLIAM_Potter123@hotmail.com>
said in alt.atheism:
Craig Chilton -- Countdown to 1/20/09: 1,467 days to BYE-BYE Bushie!
Forever!! wrote:
And to fine-tune that a bit further, abortion doesn't involve
babies at all. Never has. Never will. ALL **babies** have been
BORN. Abortion affects nothing more than mere reproductive-
process entities which have not achieved personhood, and neither
have, nor deserve, any rights.
How do you know that?
Because he knows the definitions of the words he uses.
--
"Given that you exist and that you are aware of your situation and
surroundings, you will find yourself in a place which has conditions
exactly suitable to your being there. If the environment was
hostile or incompatible in some important way then you would not be
there in the first place. Therefore the suitability and seeming
perfection of your universe cannot be taken as evidence of anything
more than your existence in it."
- Edward Warren, "The naturalistic fallacy"
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| User: "Sam" |
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19 Jan 2005 06:40:12 AM |
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wp123 wrote:
Craig Chilton -- Countdown to 1/20/09: 1,467 days to BYE-BYE Bushie!
Forever!! wrote:
On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 10:07:02 +0100,
Rune B. <sp@mag.net> wrote:
Russell B. Waters <rustywaters@mailinator.com> wrote:
www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,11966176%255E1702,00.html
Baby's head found at car park
I know sex and female anatomy eludes you, but abortion
is the act of killing a baby *long before* it's born. Not after.
And to fine-tune that a bit further, abortion doesn't involve
babies at all. Never has. Never will. ALL **babies** have been
BORN. Abortion affects nothing more than mere reproductive-
process entities which have not achieved personhood, and neither
have, nor deserve, any rights.
How do you know that?
ask carlin
"if a fetus is a baby, why do people say we two children and one on the
way? Why dont they say we have three children?"
for example
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| User: "Tukla Ratte" |
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20 Jan 2005 04:22:06 PM |
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Sam wrote:
wp123 wrote:
Craig Chilton -- Countdown to 1/20/09: 1,467 days to BYE-BYE Bushie!
Forever!! wrote:
On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 10:07:02 +0100,
Rune B. <sp@mag.net> wrote:
< snip >
And to fine-tune that a bit further, abortion doesn't involve
babies at all. Never has. Never will. ALL **babies** have been
BORN. Abortion affects nothing more than mere reproductive-
process entities which have not achieved personhood, and neither
have, nor deserve, any rights.
How do you know that?
ask carlin
"if a fetus is a baby, why do people say we two children and one on the
way? Why dont they say we have three children?"
for example
I never got a tax deduction for the year my wife was pregnant! I'll
have to tell the IRS that I *did* have a dependent child in 1999 -- he
just hadn't been born yet.
--
Tukla, Eater of Theists, Squeaker of Chew Toys
Official Mascot of Alt.Atheism, aa 1347
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18 Jan 2005 02:48:44 PM |
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Craig Chilton -- Countdown to 1/20/09: 1,467 days to BYE-BYE Bushie!
Forever!! wrote:
On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 10:07:02 +0100,
Rune B. <sp@mag.net> wrote:
Russell B. Waters <rustywaters@mailinator.com> wrote:
www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,11966176%255E1702,00.html
Baby's head found at car park
I know sex and female anatomy eludes you, but abortion
is the act of killing a baby *long before* it's born. Not after.
And to fine-tune that a bit further, abortion doesn't involve
babies at all. Never has. Never will. ALL **babies** have been
BORN. Abortion affects nothing more than mere reproductive-
process entities which have not achieved personhood, and neither
have, nor deserve, any rights.
What a complete ***** you are.
-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com>
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| User: "Bertie the Bunyip" |
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18 Jan 2005 03:06:35 PM |
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"felon_def_ears" <theguyonthebike@veryfast.biz>
sednews:1106059724.528100.65910@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com:
Craig Chilton -- Countdown to 1/20/09: 1,467 days to BYE-BYE Bushie!
Forever!! wrote:
On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 10:07:02 +0100,
Rune B. <sp@mag.net> wrote:
Russell B. Waters <rustywaters@mailinator.com> wrote:
www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,11966176%255E1702,0
0.html
Baby's head found at car park
I know sex and female anatomy eludes you, but abortion
is the act of killing a baby *long before* it's born. Not after.
And to fine-tune that a bit further, abortion doesn't involve
babies at all. Never has. Never will. ALL **babies** have been
BORN. Abortion affects nothing more than mere reproductive-
process entities which have not achieved personhood, and neither
have, nor deserve, any rights.
What a complete ***** you are.
Coming from a paedophile that's pretty funny, chuckles.
Bertie
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19 Jan 2005 04:37:32 AM |
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On 18 Jan 2005 06:48:44 -0800,
"felon_def_ears" <theguyonthebike@veryfast.biz> wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote:
Rune B. <sp@mag.net> wrote:
Russell B. Waters <rustywaters@mailinator.com> wrote:
www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,11966176%255E1702,00.html
Baby's head found at car park
I know sex and female anatomy eludes you, but abortion
is the act of killing a baby *long before* it's born. Not after.
And to fine-tune that a bit further, abortion doesn't involve
babies at all. Never has. Never will. ALL **babies** have been
BORN. Abortion affects nothing more than mere reproductive-
process entities which have not achieved personhood, and neither
have, nor deserve, any rights.
What a complete ***** you are.
THANKS!!! If a neocon loser ever AGREED with me, I'd have
to wonder if I were doing my job right, as an egalitarian defender of
personal liberties.
-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com>
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
Every time a person supports bigotry in public, and presents NO
relevant FACTS to back his/her stance in behalf of a loathsome
agenda against individual liberties and human rights, that person
has -- ironically -- further **damaged** the cause he/she supports.
And every time a fair-minded and sensible egalitarian opposes
such a bigot, publicly, and **presents** relevant FACTS that are
damaging to the bigot's agenda, that TOO is an additional nail in
the coffin lid of the agenda, and a push of that casket CLOSER
to the Drain of Extinction -- its well-deserved ultimate destination.
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
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18 Jan 2005 09:57:58 PM |
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On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 13:45:30 GMT, (Craig Chilton
-- Countdown to 1/20/09: 1,467 days to BYE-BYE Bushie! Forever!!)
wrote:
On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 10:07:02 +0100,
Rune B. <sp@mag.net> wrote:
Russell B. Waters <rustywaters@mailinator.com> wrote:
www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,11966176%255E1702,00.html
Baby's head found at car park
I know sex and female anatomy eludes you, but abortion
is the act of killing a baby *long before* it's born. Not after.
And to fine-tune that a bit further, abortion doesn't involve
babies at all. Never has. Never will. ALL **babies** have been
BORN. Abortion affects nothing more than mere reproductive-
process entities which have not achieved personhood, and neither
have, nor deserve, any rights.
-- Craig Chilton < >
Perhaps someone will redefine you to achieve the same status.
dictionary.com
baby
1a: A very young child; an infant.
1b: An unborn child; a fetus.
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19 Jan 2005 04:46:34 AM |
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On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 21:57:58 GMT,
Mr. F. Le Mur <flemur13013@yahoo.com> wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote:
Rune B. <sp@mag.net> wrote:
Russell B. Waters <rustywaters@mailinator.com> wrote:
www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,11966176%255E1702,00.html
Baby's head found at car park
I know sex and female anatomy eludes you, but abortion
is the act of killing a baby *long before* it's born. Not after.
And to fine-tune that a bit further, abortion doesn't involve
babies at all. Never has. Never will. ALL **babies** have been
BORN. Abortion affects nothing more than mere reproductive-
process entities which have not achieved personhood, and neither
have, nor deserve, any rights.
Perhaps someone will redefine you to achieve the same status.
And perhaps NOT, loon.
So -- THANKS!!! If a neocon loser ever AGREED with me,
I'd have to wonder if I were doing my job right, as an egalitarian
defender of personal liberties.
-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com>
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
Every time a person supports bigotry in public, and presents NO
relevant FACTS to back his/her stance in behalf of a loathsome
agenda against individual liberties and human rights, that person
has -- ironically -- further **damaged** the cause he/she supports.
And every time a fair-minded and sensible egalitarian opposes
such a bigot, publicly, and **presents** relevant FACTS that are
damaging to the bigot's agenda, that TOO is an additional nail in
the coffin lid of the agenda, and a push of that casket CLOSER
to the Drain of Extinction -- its well-deserved ultimate destination.
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
(E-Mail address is valid when removing _ from it.)
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19 Jan 2005 05:20:29 AM |
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On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 04:46:34 GMT, (Craig Chilton
-- Countdown to 1/20/09: 1,466 days to BYE-BYE Bushie! Forever!!)
wrote:
On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 21:57:58 GMT,
Mr. F. Le Mur <flemur13013@yahoo.com> wrote:
Craig Chilton < > wrote:
Rune B. <sp@mag.net> wrote:
Russell B. Waters <rustywaters@mailinator.com> wrote:
www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,11966176%255E1702,00.html
Baby's head found at car park
I know sex and female anatomy eludes you, but abortion
is the act of killing a baby *long before* it's born. Not after.
And to fine-tune that a bit further, abortion doesn't involve
babies at all. Never has. Never will. ALL **babies** have been
BORN. Abortion affects nothing more than mere reproductive-
process entities which have not achieved personhood, and neither
have, nor deserve, any rights.
Perhaps someone will redefine you to achieve the same status.
And perhaps NOT, loon.
"History is simply one damned thing after another." - W.C.
So -- THANKS!!! If a neocon loser ever AGREED with me,
Why on earth would anyone want to agree with your incorrect
definition of the word "baby?"
I'd have to wonder if I were doing my job right, as an egalitarian
defender of personal liberties.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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19 Jan 2005 11:25:09 PM |
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On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 05:20:29 GMT, Mr. F. Le Mur
<flemur13013@yahoo.com> said in alt.atheism:
Why on earth would anyone want to agree with your incorrect
definition of the word "baby?"
Because the majority of the world's nations define "baby" the same
way? As having been born?
--
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| User: "Mr. F. Le Mur" |
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20 Jan 2005 02:22:04 PM |
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On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 23:25:09 GMT, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 05:20:29 GMT, Mr. F. Le Mur
<flemur13013@yahoo.com> said in alt.atheism:
Why on earth would anyone want to agree with your incorrect
definition of the word "baby?"
Because the majority of the world's nations define "baby" the same
way? As having been born?
Do they? I would guess that the majority of the world's
nations don't speak English.
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| User: "felon_def_ears" |
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20 Jan 2005 02:40:11 PM |
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Mr. F. Le Mur wrote:
On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 23:25:09 GMT, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 05:20:29 GMT, Mr. F. Le Mur
<flemur13013@yahoo.com> said in alt.atheism:
Why on earth would anyone want to agree with your incorrect
definition of the word "baby?"
Because the majority of the world's nations define "baby" the same
way? As having been born?
Do they? I would guess that the majority of the world's
nations don't speak English.
You people can argue until doomsday, but the bottom line is that
abortion is murder. It's killing a baby in it's mother's womb, and it's
wrong. 40 million murdered babies so far in America. It's makes the
Holocaust pale in comparison.
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| User: "Bertie the Bunyip" |
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20 Jan 2005 06:45:18 PM |
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"felon_def_ears" <theguyonthebike@veryfast.biz>
sednews:1106232011.681082.139480@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com:
Mr. F. Le Mur wrote:
On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 23:25:09 GMT, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 05:20:29 GMT, Mr. F. Le Mur
<flemur13013@yahoo.com> said in alt.atheism:
Why on earth would anyone want to agree with your incorrect
definition of the word "baby?"
Because the majority of the world's nations define "baby" the same
way? As having been born?
Do they? I would guess that the majority of the world's
nations don't speak English.
You people can argue until doomsday, but the bottom line is that
abortion is murder. It's killing a baby in it's mother's womb, and it's
wrong. 40 million murdered babies so far in America. It's makes the
Holocaust pale in comparison.
And so many fewer children for Chuckie to rape.
Bertie
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| User: "Craig Chilton -- Countdown to 1/20/09: 1,466 days to BYE-BYE Bushie! Forever!!" |
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| Title: Re: Unwanted babies' heads can be ripped clean off |
21 Jan 2005 04:34:09 AM |
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On 20 Jan 2005 06:40:11 -0800,
"felon_def_ears" wrote:
You people can argue until doomsday, but the bottom line is that
abortion is murder.
Not even remotely! It's nothing but an enormously-beneficial
and totally-harmless REMEDY for the unwanted medical condition
of ill-timed pregnancy, for all girls and women who desire it.
It affects nothing but mere reproductive process entities which
ARE human (adj., not n.), unique, alive, and POTENTIAL people...
but NOT actual people. ALL **real** people have been BORN. And
not even the Bible ever defends reproductive process entities AS
people. (It only defends them ONCE... as ** property** -- in an
ASSAULT case. In a passage that CONDONES **slavery**!
(Ex. 21:20-25)
BTW -- those living, unique, and human reproductive-process
entities mentioned above which are **potential** people -- INCLUDE
the Stage One entities -- gametes -- that people who are moronic
enough to BE Anti-Choicers hypocritically IGNORE while they are
being electively aborted at the rate of a QUADRILLION per DAY,
worldwide.
There is NO WAY that full gestation should EVER by FORCED
upon any girl or woman against her will. That would comprise a
9-month-long form of RAPE.
-- Craig Chilton
(Remove "_" to e-mail me.)
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GOD'S "WIN-WIN-WIN" SITUATION
God is omniscient and omnipotent. That means that He has
always KNOWN everything *about* everything, past present and
future. And that He may freely INTERACT, uniquely, with any
person, group, or all humanity, however and whenever He
chooses.
Trillions (indeed, even octillions) of years ago, God KNEW
just *which* human entities (from sperm and ova on, inclusive)
would be born, and which ones would NOT, for whatever
reason. In the case of Jeremiah, He interacted BEFORE
Jeremiah reached the womb -- while Jeremiah was STILL at
the sperm-and-ovum stage! (Jer. 1:5). In THAT case, at least,
the soul had been instilled at the sperm-and-egg stage -- the
stage at which God communicated with Jeremiah.
So it's VERY possible that God instills ALL souls at that
stage... since God ALREADY knows which of them will later
become people, and which ones will not. And if He chooses
to instill souls in ALL of those, then heaven must be a VERY
populated place. And any potential people that happened to
have been aborted then got a FREE pass to heaven. And missed
the RISK that is faced by all of us here on earth.
And then, there also is the very REAL possibility that God
chooses to instill souls ONLY in the entities that He KNOWS,
beforehand, *will* be BORN. Then there are NO free passes
to heaven. But that's no loss to the QUINTILLION human
entities, daily, that never knew the difference.
Any way you look at it, it's a "win-win" situation for God.
Which makes it no great surprise that He never said so much
as ONE SINGLE WORD against abortion. Since abortion is a
highly-valuable REMEDY that enables millions of women to put
their lives BACK on track, and gives them another chance to
pursue their full ranges of future opportunities, the availability of
it is FAR more in line with God's COMPASSION (and the
compassion that Jesus commanded us to show to others), than
it would be for women to be FORCED to carry-to-term against
their will, and see many of their opportunities and their well-being
destroyed. (Particularly since God ALSO was/is well-aware that
MOST women who DO obtain abortions go on later to HAVE
children, by choice, when the timing is better, and the circum-
stances and prospects for long-term stable family environments
are far more favorable.)
For God, the status quo is "win-win-win" -- all the way!
-- Posted to several relevant Usenet Groups on 10-21-2001.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Unwanted babies' heads can be ripped clean off |
20 Jan 2005 09:58:34 PM |
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On 20 Jan 2005 06:40:11 -0800, "felon_def_ears"
<theguyonthebike@veryfast.biz> said in alt.atheism:
You people can argue until doomsday, but the bottom line is that
abortion is murder.
That's your opinion. Since "murder" is a legal term, and it's defined
in such a way that abortion isn't it, your opinion is incorrect.
--
"Every sensible man, every honest man, must hold the christian sect in horror. 'But what
shall we substitute in its place?' you say. What? A ferocious animal has sucked the
blood of my relatives. I tell you to rid yourselves of this beast and you ask me what
you shall put in its place?" - Voltaire
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| User: "Mr. F. Le Mur" |
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| Title: Re: Unwanted babies' heads can be ripped clean off |
20 Jan 2005 02:58:55 PM |
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On 20 Jan 2005 06:40:11 -0800, "felon_def_ears"
<theguyonthebike@veryfast.biz> wrote:
Mr. F. Le Mur wrote:
On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 23:25:09 GMT, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 05:20:29 GMT, Mr. F. Le Mur
<flemur13013@yahoo.com> said in alt.atheism:
Why on earth would anyone want to agree with your incorrect
definition of the word "baby?"
Because the majority of the world's nations define "baby" the same
way? As having been born?
Do they? I would guess that the majority of the world's
nations don't speak English.
You people can argue until doomsday, but the bottom line is that
abortion is murder. It's killing a baby in it's mother's womb, and it's
wrong. 40 million murdered babies so far in America. It's makes the
Holocaust pale in comparison.
It's obviously killing a person; however, killing a person isn't
always "murder," and is often legal and socially acceptable, viz
state executions, self-defense, enemies in a war, etc.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Unwanted babies' heads can be ripped clean off |
20 Jan 2005 10:00:26 PM |
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On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 14:58:55 GMT, Mr. F. Le Mur
<flemur13013@yahoo.com> said in alt.atheism:
On 20 Jan 2005 06:40:11 -0800, "felon_def_ears"
<theguyonthebike@veryfast.biz> wrote:
You people can argue until doomsday, but the bottom line is that
abortion is murder. It's killing a baby in it's mother's womb, and it's
wrong. 40 million murdered babies so far in America. It's makes the
Holocaust pale in comparison.
It's obviously killing a person
Corporate person? Obviously not.
Natural person (one no longer in the womb)? Obviously not.
That doesn't leave much, since the law only defines 2 types of person,
corporate and natural.
--
"The United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion"
- Treaty of Tripoli, 1797, ratified by Congress
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rukbat at verizon dot net
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| User: "Mr. F. Le Mur" |
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| Title: Re: Unwanted babies' heads can be ripped clean off |
21 Jan 2005 03:05:09 PM |
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On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 22:00:26 GMT, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 14:58:55 GMT, Mr. F. Le Mur
<flemur13013@yahoo.com> said in alt.atheism:
On 20 Jan 2005 06:40:11 -0800, "felon_def_ears"
<theguyonthebike@veryfast.biz> wrote:
You people can argue until doomsday, but the bottom line is that
abortion is murder. It's killing a baby in it's mother's womb, and it's
wrong. 40 million murdered babies so far in America. It's makes the
Holocaust pale in comparison.
It's obviously killing a person
Corporate person? Obviously not.
Natural person (one no longer in the womb)? Obviously not.
That doesn't leave much, since the law only defines 2 types of person,
corporate and natural.
Really? What are those legal definitions? legal-definitions.com
hasn't heard of either one.
"The fetus is not a human being (under, for example, California
law) at the time of the stabbing. However, the fetus is a human
being at the time of its death."
http://lawschool.mikeshecket.com/criminallaw/peoplevconley.html
IOW, "the law" = logically inconsistant trivial pursuit for
fun and profit. Religious and folk definitions are no better.
That leaves biology.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Unwanted babies' heads can be ripped clean off |
21 Jan 2005 09:10:42 PM |
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On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 15:05:09 GMT, Mr. F. Le Mur
<flemur13013@yahoo.com> said in alt.atheism:
IOW, "the law" = logically inconsistant trivial pursuit for
fun and profit. Religious and folk definitions are no better.
That leaves biology.
Since biology can't properly define rights, it doesn't.
--
"Christianity has already had the chance to govern
the world according to its own ethical standards.
It was called the "Dark Ages".
- Bill, The Avender
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| User: "Lady Chatterly" |
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| Title: Re: Unwanted babies' heads can be ripped clean off |
21 Jan 2005 10:50:16 PM |
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In article <ttr2v0hj93cnh6ab82m4mq2knlq5irriqo@4ax.com>
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
Since biology can't properly define rights, it doesn't.
Somehow, I have said so more clearly seen?
--
Lady Chatterly
"I was watching Lady Chatterly's webcam last night and she certainly
doesn't look like a bot to me. I'd provide the URL if I thought any
socmen were attracted to adult women." -- Peter J. Ross
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Unwanted babies' heads can be ripped clean off |
20 Jan 2005 09:57:33 PM |
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On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 14:22:04 GMT, Mr. F. Le Mur
<flemur13013@yahoo.com> said in alt.atheism:
On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 23:25:09 GMT, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 05:20:29 GMT, Mr. F. Le Mur
<flemur13013@yahoo.com> said in alt.atheism:
Why on earth would anyone want to agree with your incorrect
definition of the word "baby?"
Because the majority of the world's nations define "baby" the same
way? As having been born?
Do they?
Yes.
I would guess that the majority of the world's nations don't speak English.
But all of them have a word in their language that translates to
"baby" in English.
Your red herring is duly noted.
--
Zymurgist # 2
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rukbat at verizon dot net
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| User: "Dubh Ghall" |
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| Title: Re: Unwanted babies' heads can be ripped clean off |
21 Jan 2005 12:38:53 AM |
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On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 23:25:09 GMT, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 05:20:29 GMT, Mr. F. Le Mur
<flemur13013@yahoo.com> said in alt.atheism:
Why on earth would anyone want to agree with your incorrect
definition of the word "baby?"
Because the majority of the world's nations define "baby" the same
way? As having been born?
Even the bible sets a higher penalty on harming an adult, making the culprit
cover the cost of caring for the victim until he is healed, and reimbursing him
for the time, than for the death of a foetus, provided the woman is unharmed, a
small fine, and what ever punishment the husband is able to met out himself.
--
Puck Greenman
The spelling Like any opinion stated here
purely my own
#162 BAAWA Knight.
January 27th
Na bister 500,000
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