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"Yang, AthD h.c" |
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27 Sep 2007 02:52:11 AM |
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US Army: GOP Aid and Abet Terrorists |
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/9/27/1564/31180
The Washington Post reported yesterday that the Army is now saying
15-month deployments without a proper recovery time are "not
sustainable." Again, this is exactly what the Webb-Hagel Amendment
was all aboutthat is, until it was torpedoed by Republican al Qaeda
supporters in the Senate last week.
--
Yang
a.a.#28
"I can hardly wait for your head to explode when the Repubs hold onto
both houses of Congress this November. And Yang can quote me on that."
-Fred Stone, 6/14/2006
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| User: "phil scott" |
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| Title: Re: US Army: GOP Aid and Abet Terrorists |
27 Sep 2007 06:53:06 PM |
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On Sep 27, 12:52 am, "Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com>
wrote:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/9/27/1564/31180
The Washington Post reported yesterday that the Army is now saying
15-month deployments without a proper recovery time are "not
sustainable." Again, this is exactly what the Webb-Hagel Amendment
was all about-that is, until it was torpedoed by Republican al Qaeda
supporters in the Senate last week.
--
Yang
a.a.#28
Non sustainablity is a specialty of good governments gone corrupt...
the reasons are that its previous errors were rationalized (made right
by creating various justifications).. so the error was not
corrected...but reinforced. The first step onto a slippery slope.
..those justifications being largely bogus but accepted misprograms
them to commit more serious errors...
as more and more such insanity is justified the entrie mess goes south
beyond all human comprehension as our retired generals are now saying
about the war in Iraq... also a repeating pattern in history, and with
individuals.
You see it with individuals when they present a bogus notion then try
to support it with spin.... it locks in their error... or more subtly,
even if they are right on a point, it locks them into that singular
viewpoint..
the insulare viewpoint is never viable across the broader spectrum.
that activity destroys their own mind...clever as these think they
are... the rationalization of their own error destroys them, not just
on that one point, but across the boards as their entire brain
structure fades to a mix of mush and vitriol.
Phil Scott
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| User: "Miriam Cohen" |
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27 Sep 2007 09:49:15 PM |
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phil scott wrote:
On Sep 27, 12:52 am, "Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com>
wrote:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/9/27/1564/31180
The Washington Post reported yesterday that the Army is now saying
15-month deployments without a proper recovery time are "not
sustainable." Again, this is exactly what the Webb-Hagel Amendment
was all about-that is, until it was torpedoed by Republican al Qaeda
supporters in the Senate last week.
--
Yang
a.a.#28
Non sustainablity is a specialty of good governments gone corrupt...
Bad news for you guys:
Dems can't make guarantee on Iraq troops
By BETH FOUHY, Associated Press Writer
Thu Sep 27, 4:29 PM ET
The leading Democratic White House hopefuls conceded Wednesday night
they cannot guarantee to pull all U.S. combat troops from Iraq by the
end of the next presidential term in 2013.
"I think it's hard to project four years from now," said Sen. Barack
Obama of Illinois in the opening moments of a campaign debate in the
nation's first primary state.
"It is very difficult to know what we're going to be inheriting," added
Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York.
"I cannot make that commitment," said former Sen. John Edwards of North
Carolina.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070927/ap_po/democrats_debate
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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| Title: Re: US Army: GOP Aid and Abet Terrorists |
27 Sep 2007 10:05:57 PM |
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In article <PYZKi.294$7s6.230@newsfe16.phx>, Miriam Cohen
<fcpnNOmimSPAM@cox.net> wrote:
phil scott wrote:
On Sep 27, 12:52 am, "Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com>
wrote:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/9/27/1564/31180
The Washington Post reported yesterday that the Army is now saying
15-month deployments without a proper recovery time are "not
sustainable." Again, this is exactly what the Webb-Hagel Amendment
was all about-that is, until it was torpedoed by Republican al Qaeda
supporters in the Senate last week.
--
Yang
a.a.#28
Non sustainablity is a specialty of good governments gone corrupt...
Bad news for you guys:
How is this bad news?
Dems can't make guarantee on Iraq troops
By BETH FOUHY, Associated Press Writer
Thu Sep 27, 4:29 PM ET
The leading Democratic White House hopefuls conceded Wednesday night
they cannot guarantee to pull all U.S. combat troops from Iraq by the
end of the next presidential term in 2013.
"I think it's hard to project four years from now," said Sen. Barack
Obama of Illinois in the opening moments of a campaign debate in the
nation's first primary state.
"It is very difficult to know what we're going to be inheriting," added
Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York.
"I cannot make that commitment," said former Sen. John Edwards of North
Carolina.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070927/ap_po/democrats_debate
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| User: "Miriam Cohen" |
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28 Sep 2007 09:06:55 AM |
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David W. Barnes wrote:
In article <PYZKi.294$7s6.230@newsfe16.phx>, Miriam Cohen
<fcpnNOmimSPAM@cox.net> wrote:
phil scott wrote:
On Sep 27, 12:52 am, "Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com>
wrote:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/9/27/1564/31180
The Washington Post reported yesterday that the Army is now saying
15-month deployments without a proper recovery time are "not
sustainable." Again, this is exactly what the Webb-Hagel Amendment
was all about-that is, until it was torpedoed by Republican al Qaeda
supporters in the Senate last week.
--
Yang
a.a.#28
Non sustainablity is a specialty of good governments gone corrupt...
Bad news for you guys:
How is this bad news?
The country's Democrats are counting on the next POTUS to cut and run
and none of the front runners can promise to do that.
Dems can't make guarantee on Iraq troops
By BETH FOUHY, Associated Press Writer
Thu Sep 27, 4:29 PM ET
The leading Democratic White House hopefuls conceded Wednesday night
they cannot guarantee to pull all U.S. combat troops from Iraq by the
end of the next presidential term in 2013.
"I think it's hard to project four years from now," said Sen. Barack
Obama of Illinois in the opening moments of a campaign debate in the
nation's first primary state.
"It is very difficult to know what we're going to be inheriting," added
Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York.
"I cannot make that commitment," said former Sen. John Edwards of North
Carolina.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070927/ap_po/democrats_debate
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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28 Sep 2007 09:28:06 AM |
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In article <bU7Li.117871$Vk6.6914@newsfe07.phx>, Miriam Cohen
<fcpnNOmimSPAM@cox.net> wrote:
David W. Barnes wrote:
In article <PYZKi.294$7s6.230@newsfe16.phx>, Miriam Cohen
<fcpnNOmimSPAM@cox.net> wrote:
phil scott wrote:
On Sep 27, 12:52 am, "Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com>
wrote:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/9/27/1564/31180
The Washington Post reported yesterday that the Army is now saying
15-month deployments without a proper recovery time are "not
sustainable." Again, this is exactly what the Webb-Hagel Amendment
was all about-that is, until it was torpedoed by Republican al Qaeda
supporters in the Senate last week.
--
Yang
a.a.#28
Non sustainablity is a specialty of good governments gone corrupt...
Bad news for you guys:
How is this bad news?
The country's Democrats are counting on the next POTUS to cut and run
and none of the front runners can promise to do that.
³Cut and Run² the way Reagan did?
It is irresponsible to say ³We made a mistake so we are going to
continue to make that same mistake rather than admit error.³ That is
what the chicken hawk Republicans want to do. Calling it ³cut and run²
is simple minded rhetoric aimed at the simple minded. If you buy the
phrase, put yourself in that group.
However, it is idiotic to say they can guarantee they can get the
troops out without first seeing what kind of mess the Republicans got
us into. It was a stupid question.
I have no doubt the Democrats are capable of cleaning up the mess we
got into so the Republicans and their cronies could make some money off
the deaths of Americans.
Dems can't make guarantee on Iraq troops
By BETH FOUHY, Associated Press Writer
Thu Sep 27, 4:29 PM ET
The leading Democratic White House hopefuls conceded Wednesday night
they cannot guarantee to pull all U.S. combat troops from Iraq by the
end of the next presidential term in 2013.
"I think it's hard to project four years from now," said Sen. Barack
Obama of Illinois in the opening moments of a campaign debate in the
nation's first primary state.
"It is very difficult to know what we're going to be inheriting," added
Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York.
"I cannot make that commitment," said former Sen. John Edwards of North
Carolina.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070927/ap_po/democrats_debate
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| User: "Miriam Cohen" |
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| Title: Re: US Army: GOP Aid and Abet Terrorists |
28 Sep 2007 05:36:43 PM |
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David W. Barnes wrote:
In article <bU7Li.117871$Vk6.6914@newsfe07.phx>, Miriam Cohen
<fcpnNOmimSPAM@cox.net> wrote:
David W. Barnes wrote:
In article <PYZKi.294$7s6.230@newsfe16.phx>, Miriam Cohen
<fcpnNOmimSPAM@cox.net> wrote:
phil scott wrote:
On Sep 27, 12:52 am, "Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com>
wrote:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/9/27/1564/31180
The Washington Post reported yesterday that the Army is now saying
15-month deployments without a proper recovery time are "not
sustainable." Again, this is exactly what the Webb-Hagel Amendment
was all about-that is, until it was torpedoed by Republican al Qaeda
supporters in the Senate last week.
--
Yang
a.a.#28
Non sustainablity is a specialty of good governments gone corrupt...
Bad news for you guys:
How is this bad news?
The country's Democrats are counting on the next POTUS to cut and run
and none of the front runners can promise to do that.
³Cut and Run² the way Reagan did?
Reagan screwed the pooch on a lot of things the worst being his inaction
concerning terrorists.
It is irresponsible to say ³We made a mistake so we are going to
continue to make that same mistake rather than admit error.³ That is
what the chicken hawk Republicans want to do. Calling it ³cut and run²
is simple minded rhetoric aimed at the simple minded. If you buy the
phrase, put yourself in that group.
It would not be irresponsible (didn't they teach you in lawyer school
that double negatives are tres gauche?) if we *HAD* made a mistake.
However the boys fighting this war and the ones lining up to join and
get in on it know that we're winning it.
However, it is idiotic to say they can guarantee they can get the
troops out without first seeing what kind of mess the Republicans got
us into. It was a stupid question.
It was a very telling question. If your hopes come true these people who
you're pinning all your hopes on have admitted that they don't have a
clue what they'd do.
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| User: "JTEM" |
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| Title: Re: US Army: GOP Aid and Abet Terrorists |
29 Sep 2007 03:13:38 AM |
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Miriam Cohen <fcpnNOmimS...@cox.net> wrote:
However the boys fighting this war and the ones lining
up to join and get in on it know that we're winning it.
According to Bush, back in 2003, we already won.
If we ignore Bush's declaration of victory, and simply
concentrate on the pre-war goals, we won. Our
objectives have been reached.
We were all told -- ad nauseum -- that free elections
were held in Iraq, and that the present government is
a democracy. Saddam is gone. There are no WMDs.
If something has since come up that supercedes all
our goals that would be a step *Away* from victory.
By definition, that means we're "Losing."
But we're not losing -- as you just told us -- and all
our stated objectives have been accomplished.
We won.
Time to go home...
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| User: "osprey" |
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29 Sep 2007 04:54:27 AM |
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On Sep 29, 4:13 am, JTEM <jte...@gmail.com> wrote:
Miriam Cohen <fcpnNOmimS...@cox.net> wrote:
However the boys fighting this war and the ones lining
up to join and get in on it know that we're winning it.
According to Bush, back in 2003, we already won.
Yes, big mistake on Bushs part.
If we ignore Bush's declaration of victory, and simply
concentrate on the pre-war goals, we won. Our
objectives have been reached.
Problem: What exactly were the objectives? Did they have any prior to
the war, or were they making them as the war was going along?
I struggled with this, and it's one of the reasons I left the
Republican party. Because I questioned Bush, and the Republicans I
associated with didn't believe in our questioning Bush on his
decisions.
What exactly were the objectives?
We were all told -- ad nauseum -- that free elections
were held in Iraq, and that the present government is
a democracy.
We all know it's not a democracy and probably never will be.
Saddam is gone.
I think at that point we should have started the withdrawl, once
Saddam was captured.
There are no WMDs.
That we know of. Remember, even Blix had said many were still
unaccounted for and Saddam had WAY more than enough time to hide or
transport any weapons out of Iraq.
If something has since come up that supercedes all
our goals that would be a step *Away* from victory.
By definition, that means we're "Losing."
But we're not losing -- as you just told us -- and all
our stated objectives have been accomplished.
We won.
Time to go home...
Republicans and/or Democrats are not going to withdrawl the troops.
Not yet.
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| User: "james g. keegan jr." |
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| Title: Re: US Army: GOP Aid and Abet Terrorists |
29 Sep 2007 07:25:31 AM |
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In article <1191059667.307129.173190@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com>,
osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
On Sep 29, 4:13 am, JTEM <jte...@gmail.com> wrote:
There are no WMDs.
That we know of.
"It is a WMD"
-Osprey, 5/8/2004, trying to call something a "WMD" that even
AWOL didn't bother classifying as such.
"WMD have been located and found, most likely more will be found."
-Osprey, 5/18/2004, making up stories yet again.
--
"New York Times has all ready sent me a response stating you have
been warned."
-- prison clerk heishman lying as "Osprey" <noneedtok...@mail.com>
in news:2rCdnZNy7LA5OojdRVn_iw@comcast.com
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| User: "Miriam Cohen" |
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29 Sep 2007 09:50:32 PM |
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james g. keegan jr. wrote:
In article <1191059667.307129.173190@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com>,
osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
On Sep 29, 4:13 am, JTEM <jte...@gmail.com> wrote:
There are no WMDs.
That we know of.
"It is a WMD"
-Osprey, 5/8/2004, trying to call something a "WMD" that even
AWOL didn't bother classifying as such.
"WMD have been located and found, most likely more will be found."
-Osprey, 5/18/2004, making up stories yet again.
From John Rohan's Blog (John is a currently serving member of the US
Army who has served two tours in Iraq):
Myth 11) No WMDs were found
It's true that no WMD making capability, or any brand new weapons were
found. But saying "no WMDs were found" might be a
surprise to the convoy who had a sarin gas artillery shell IED explode
on them in May 2004. It was on highway 8, in the
middle of Baghdad, on a section of road that coincidentally, my unit,
the 1-1 Cavalry Squadron, had turned over to 1-7 Cav
just two months before. That was not the only one either; hundreds of
other shells were found, and there were brief press
releases about it. I have read much more of the reports, but since most
are still secret for some reason, I can't discuss
them. But the bottom line is, while it probably won't appease critics of
the war, illegal WMDs were found.
http://shieldofachilles.blogspot.com/2007/05/common-myths-about-iraq-war.html
Can we now stop claiming that no WMD were found, as they clearly were?
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| User: "james g. keegan jr." |
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| Title: Re: US Army: GOP Aid and Abet Terrorists |
30 Sep 2007 09:53:17 AM |
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In article <6aELi.99266$xZ2.7034@newsfe10.phx>,
Miriam Cohen <fcpnNOmimSPAM@cox.net> wrote:
james g. keegan jr. wrote:
In article <1191059667.307129.173190@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com>,
osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
On Sep 29, 4:13 am, JTEM <jte...@gmail.com> wrote:
There are no WMDs.
That we know of.
"It is a WMD"
-Osprey, 5/8/2004, trying to call something a "WMD" that even
AWOL didn't bother classifying as such.
"WMD have been located and found, most likely more will be found."
-Osprey, 5/18/2004, making up stories yet again.
From John Rohan's Blog (John is a currently serving member of the US
Army who has served two tours in Iraq):
Myth 11) No WMDs were found
It's true that no WMD making capability, or any brand new weapons were
found. But saying "no WMDs were found" might be a
surprise to the convoy who had a sarin gas artillery shell IED explode
on them in May 2004. It was on highway 8, in the
middle of Baghdad, on a section of road that coincidentally, my unit,
the 1-1 Cavalry Squadron, had turned over to 1-7 Cav
just two months before. That was not the only one either; hundreds of
other shells were found, and there were brief press
releases about it. I have read much more of the reports, but since most
are still secret for some reason, I can't discuss
them. But the bottom line is, while it probably won't appease critics of
the war, illegal WMDs were found.
http://shieldofachilles.blogspot.com/2007/05/common-myths-about-iraq-war.html
Can we now stop claiming that no WMD were found, as they clearly were?
actually, they were not found. to be a wmd, the wmd must work. the
old junk that was found was completely inoperable and had degraded
far beyond repair. i'm surprised you didn't know that.
--
"New York Times has all ready sent me a response stating you have
been warned."
-- prison clerk heishman lying as "Osprey" <noneedtok...@mail.com>
in news:2rCdnZNy7LA5OojdRVn_iw@comcast.com
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| User: "Miriam Cohen" |
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| Title: Re: US Army: GOP Aid and Abet Terrorists |
30 Sep 2007 05:27:22 PM |
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james g. keegan jr. wrote:
In article <6aELi.99266$xZ2.7034@newsfe10.phx>,
Miriam Cohen <fcpnNOmimSPAM@cox.net> wrote:
james g. keegan jr. wrote:
In article <1191059667.307129.173190@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com>,
osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
On Sep 29, 4:13 am, JTEM <jte...@gmail.com> wrote:
There are no WMDs.
That we know of.
"It is a WMD"
-Osprey, 5/8/2004, trying to call something a "WMD" that even
AWOL didn't bother classifying as such.
"WMD have been located and found, most likely more will be found."
-Osprey, 5/18/2004, making up stories yet again.
From John Rohan's Blog (John is a currently serving member of the US
Army who has served two tours in Iraq):
Myth 11) No WMDs were found
It's true that no WMD making capability, or any brand new weapons were
found. But saying "no WMDs were found" might be a
surprise to the convoy who had a sarin gas artillery shell IED explode
on them in May 2004. It was on highway 8, in the
middle of Baghdad, on a section of road that coincidentally, my unit,
the 1-1 Cavalry Squadron, had turned over to 1-7 Cav
just two months before. That was not the only one either; hundreds of
other shells were found, and there were brief press
releases about it. I have read much more of the reports, but since most
are still secret for some reason, I can't discuss
them. But the bottom line is, while it probably won't appease critics of
the war, illegal WMDs were found.
http://shieldofachilles.blogspot.com/2007/05/common-myths-about-iraq-war.html
Can we now stop claiming that no WMD were found, as they clearly were?
actually, they were not found. to be a wmd, the wmd must work. the
old junk that was found was completely inoperable and had degraded
far beyond repair. i'm surprised you didn't know that.
Since John was there and you weren't I'll take his word over yours on this.
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| User: "james g. keegan jr." |
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| Title: Re: US Army: GOP Aid and Abet Terrorists |
30 Sep 2007 06:01:23 PM |
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In article <ppVLi.678$7s6.587@newsfe16.phx>,
Miriam Cohen <fcpnNOmimSPAM@cox.net> wrote:
james g. keegan jr. wrote:
In article <6aELi.99266$xZ2.7034@newsfe10.phx>,
Miriam Cohen <fcpnNOmimSPAM@cox.net> wrote:
james g. keegan jr. wrote:
In article <1191059667.307129.173190@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com>,
osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
On Sep 29, 4:13 am, JTEM <jte...@gmail.com> wrote:
There are no WMDs.
That we know of.
"It is a WMD"
-Osprey, 5/8/2004, trying to call something a "WMD" that even
AWOL didn't bother classifying as such.
"WMD have been located and found, most likely more will be found."
-Osprey, 5/18/2004, making up stories yet again.
From John Rohan's Blog (John is a currently serving member of the US
Army who has served two tours in Iraq):
Myth 11) No WMDs were found
It's true that no WMD making capability, or any brand new weapons were
found. But saying "no WMDs were found" might be a
surprise to the convoy who had a sarin gas artillery shell IED explode
on them in May 2004. It was on highway 8, in the
middle of Baghdad, on a section of road that coincidentally, my unit,
the 1-1 Cavalry Squadron, had turned over to 1-7 Cav
just two months before. That was not the only one either; hundreds of
other shells were found, and there were brief press
releases about it. I have read much more of the reports, but since most
are still secret for some reason, I can't discuss
them. But the bottom line is, while it probably won't appease critics of
the war, illegal WMDs were found.
http://shieldofachilles.blogspot.com/2007/05/common-myths-about-iraq-war.ht
ml
Can we now stop claiming that no WMD were found, as they clearly were?
actually, they were not found. to be a wmd, the wmd must work. the
old junk that was found was completely inoperable and had degraded
far beyond repair. i'm surprised you didn't know that.
Since John was there and you weren't I'll take his word over yours on this.
ahhh, so he is an expert in degraded wmds eh?
--
"New York Times has all ready sent me a response stating you have
been warned."
-- prison clerk heishman lying as "Osprey" <noneedtok...@mail.com>
in news:2rCdnZNy7LA5OojdRVn_iw@comcast.com
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| User: "Miriam Cohen" |
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| Title: Re: US Army: GOP Aid and Abet Terrorists |
30 Sep 2007 11:41:05 PM |
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james g. keegan jr. wrote:
In article <ppVLi.678$7s6.587@newsfe16.phx>,
Miriam Cohen <fcpnNOmimSPAM@cox.net> wrote:
james g. keegan jr. wrote:
In article <6aELi.99266$xZ2.7034@newsfe10.phx>,
Miriam Cohen <fcpnNOmimSPAM@cox.net> wrote:
james g. keegan jr. wrote:
In article <1191059667.307129.173190@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com>,
osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
On Sep 29, 4:13 am, JTEM <jte...@gmail.com> wrote:
There are no WMDs.
That we know of.
"It is a WMD"
-Osprey, 5/8/2004, trying to call something a "WMD" that even
AWOL didn't bother classifying as such.
"WMD have been located and found, most likely more will be found."
-Osprey, 5/18/2004, making up stories yet again.
From John Rohan's Blog (John is a currently serving member of the US
Army who has served two tours in Iraq):
Myth 11) No WMDs were found
It's true that no WMD making capability, or any brand new weapons were
found. But saying "no WMDs were found" might be a
surprise to the convoy who had a sarin gas artillery shell IED explode
on them in May 2004. It was on highway 8, in the
middle of Baghdad, on a section of road that coincidentally, my unit,
the 1-1 Cavalry Squadron, had turned over to 1-7 Cav
just two months before. That was not the only one either; hundreds of
other shells were found, and there were brief press
releases about it. I have read much more of the reports, but since most
are still secret for some reason, I can't discuss
them. But the bottom line is, while it probably won't appease critics of
the war, illegal WMDs were found.
http://shieldofachilles.blogspot.com/2007/05/common-myths-about-iraq-war.ht
ml
Can we now stop claiming that no WMD were found, as they clearly were?
actually, they were not found. to be a wmd, the wmd must work. the
old junk that was found was completely inoperable and had degraded
far beyond repair. i'm surprised you didn't know that.
Since John was there and you weren't I'll take his word over yours on this.
ahhh, so he is an expert in degraded wmds eh?
Far moreso than you, Jimmy.
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In article <LT_Li.148073$dI1.33453@newsfe08.phx>,
Miriam Cohen <fcpnNOmimSPAM@cox.net> wrote:
james g. keegan jr. wrote:
In article <ppVLi.678$7s6.587@newsfe16.phx>,
Miriam Cohen <fcpnNOmimSPAM@cox.net> wrote:
james g. keegan jr. wrote:
In article <6aELi.99266$xZ2.7034@newsfe10.phx>,
Miriam Cohen <fcpnNOmimSPAM@cox.net> wrote:
james g. keegan jr. wrote:
In article <1191059667.307129.173190@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com>,
osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
On Sep 29, 4:13 am, JTEM <jte...@gmail.com> wrote:
There are no WMDs.
That we know of.
"It is a WMD"
-Osprey, 5/8/2004, trying to call something a "WMD" that even
AWOL didn't bother classifying as such.
"WMD have been located and found, most likely more will be found."
-Osprey, 5/18/2004, making up stories yet again.
From John Rohan's Blog (John is a currently serving member of the US
Army who has served two tours in Iraq):
Myth 11) No WMDs were found
It's true that no WMD making capability, or any brand new weapons were
found. But saying "no WMDs were found" might be a
surprise to the convoy who had a sarin gas artillery shell IED explode
on them in May 2004. It was on highway 8, in the
middle of Baghdad, on a section of road that coincidentally, my unit,
the 1-1 Cavalry Squadron, had turned over to 1-7 Cav
just two months before. That was not the only one either; hundreds of
other shells were found, and there were brief press
releases about it. I have read much more of the reports, but since most
are still secret for some reason, I can't discuss
them. But the bottom line is, while it probably won't appease critics of
the war, illegal WMDs were found.
http://shieldofachilles.blogspot.com/2007/05/common-myths-about-iraq-war.
ht
ml
Can we now stop claiming that no WMD were found, as they clearly were?
actually, they were not found. to be a wmd, the wmd must work. the
old junk that was found was completely inoperable and had degraded
far beyond repair. i'm surprised you didn't know that.
Since John was there and you weren't I'll take his word over yours on
this.
ahhh, so he is an expert in degraded wmds eh?
Far moreso than you, Jimmy.
you sound silly.
--
"New York Times has all ready sent me a response stating you have
been warned."
-- prison clerk heishman lying as "Osprey" <noneedtok...@mail.com>
in news:2rCdnZNy7LA5OojdRVn_iw@comcast.com
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30 Sep 2007 12:14:35 AM |
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Miriam Cohen <fcpnNOmimSPAM@cox.net> wrote:
james g. keegan jr. wrote:
In article <1191059667.307129.173190@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com>,
osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
On Sep 29, 4:13 am, JTEM <jte...@gmail.com> wrote:
There are no WMDs.
That we know of.
"It is a WMD"
-Osprey, 5/8/2004, trying to call something a "WMD" that even
AWOL didn't bother classifying as such.
"WMD have been located and found, most likely more will be found."
-Osprey, 5/18/2004, making up stories yet again.
From John Rohan's Blog (John is a currently serving member of the US
Army who has served two tours in Iraq):
Myth 11) No WMDs were found
It's true that no WMD making capability, or any brand new weapons were
found. But saying "no WMDs were found" might be a
surprise to the convoy who had a sarin gas artillery shell IED explode
on them in May 2004. It was on highway 8, in the
middle of Baghdad, on a section of road that coincidentally, my unit,
the 1-1 Cavalry Squadron, had turned over to 1-7 Cav
just two months before.
What she's dishonestly neglecting to mention is the fact that the
shell was years old and had degraded to the point where it cause no
injuries to anybody.
That was not the only one either; hundreds of
other shells were found, and there were brief press
releases about it.
Weapons actually have to be able to cause real harm in order to be
considered a threat.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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30 Sep 2007 11:37:55 PM |
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(Ray Fischer) wrote:
What she's dishonestly neglecting to mention is
the fact that the shell was years old and had
degraded to the point where it cause no injuries
to anybody.
Worse -- far worse -- is the fact that it was a pre-1991
dud. The first Bush disaster (Poppy) knew about it
(and others) and didn't care... just like Clinton... exactly
like Dubya before the 2003 invasion.
Bush could have identified it -- and others -- as WMDs
BEFORE the invasion, and the U.N. inspectors would
have destroyed them.
Problem was, it was already considered destroyed.
The shell had been fired more than ten years earlier,
the chemicals mixed inside the warhead. Which is
why the sarin degraded to such a poor state that it
could do little more than make unprotected men at
close vicinity a little sick.
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30 Sep 2007 12:29:53 AM |
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On Sep 30, 1:14 am, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
Miriam Cohen <fcpnNOmimS...@cox.net> wrote:
james g. keegan jr. wrote:
In article <1191059667.307129.173...@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com>,
osprey <noneedtok...@mail.com> wrote:
On Sep 29, 4:13 am, JTEM <jte...@gmail.com> wrote:
There are no WMDs.
That we know of.
"It is a WMD"
-Osprey, 5/8/2004, trying to call something a "WMD" that even
AWOL didn't bother classifying as such.
"WMD have been located and found, most likely more will be found."
-Osprey, 5/18/2004, making up stories yet again.
From John Rohan's Blog (John is a currently serving member of the US
Army who has served two tours in Iraq):
Myth 11) No WMDs were found
It's true that no WMD making capability, or any brand new weapons were
found. But saying "no WMDs were found" might be a
surprise to the convoy who had a sarin gas artillery shell IED explode
on them in May 2004. It was on highway 8, in the
middle of Baghdad, on a section of road that coincidentally, my unit,
the 1-1 Cavalry Squadron, had turned over to 1-7 Cav
just two months before.
What she's dishonestly neglecting to mention is the fact that the
shell was years old and had degraded to the point where it cause no
injuries to anybody.
Regardless, it was a WMD.
Fact: WMD were found
Fact: Blix also stated that WMD were unaccounted for PRIOR to our
invasion.
Two facts you CAN'T dispute so don't even try.
That was not the only one either; hundreds of
other shells were found, and there were brief press
releases about it.
Weapons actually have to be able to cause real harm in order to be
considered a threat.
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30 Sep 2007 09:54:16 AM |
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In article <1191130193.926689.127430@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
On Sep 30, 1:14 am, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
Miriam Cohen <fcpnNOmimS...@cox.net> wrote:
[...]
What she's dishonestly neglecting to mention is the fact that the
shell was years old and had degraded to the point where it cause no
injuries to anybody.
Regardless, it was a WMD.
no one believes any of your misrepresentations.
--
"New York Times has all ready sent me a response stating you have
been warned."
-- prison clerk heishman lying as "Osprey" <noneedtok...@mail.com>
in news:2rCdnZNy7LA5OojdRVn_iw@comcast.com
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30 Sep 2007 12:19:06 PM |
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osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
On Sep 30, 1:14 am, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
Miriam Cohen <fcpnNOmimS...@cox.net> wrote:
james g. keegan jr. wrote:
In article <1191059667.307129.173...@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com>,
osprey <noneedtok...@mail.com> wrote:
On Sep 29, 4:13 am, JTEM <jte...@gmail.com> wrote:
There are no WMDs.
That we know of.
"It is a WMD"
-Osprey, 5/8/2004, trying to call something a "WMD" that even
AWOL didn't bother classifying as such.
"WMD have been located and found, most likely more will be found."
-Osprey, 5/18/2004, making up stories yet again.
From John Rohan's Blog (John is a currently serving member of the US
Army who has served two tours in Iraq):
Myth 11) No WMDs were found
It's true that no WMD making capability, or any brand new weapons were
found. But saying "no WMDs were found" might be a
surprise to the convoy who had a sarin gas artillery shell IED explode
on them in May 2004. It was on highway 8, in the
middle of Baghdad, on a section of road that coincidentally, my unit,
the 1-1 Cavalry Squadron, had turned over to 1-7 Cav
just two months before.
What she's dishonestly neglecting to mention is the fact that the
shell was years old and had degraded to the point where it cause no
injuries to anybody.
Regardless, it was a WMD.
Not when it was found.
Fact: WMD were found
Fact: You're lying by equivocation.
That was not the only one either; hundreds of
other shells were found, and there were brief press
releases about it.
Weapons actually have to be able to cause real harm in order to be
considered a threat.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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28 Sep 2007 07:34:02 PM |
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In article <5mfLi.87565$xZ2.84083@newsfe10.phx>, Miriam Cohen
<fcpnNOmimSPAM@cox.net> wrote:
David W. Barnes wrote:
In article <bU7Li.117871$Vk6.6914@newsfe07.phx>, Miriam Cohen
<fcpnNOmimSPAM@cox.net> wrote:
David W. Barnes wrote:
In article <PYZKi.294$7s6.230@newsfe16.phx>, Miriam Cohen
<fcpnNOmimSPAM@cox.net> wrote:
phil scott wrote:
On Sep 27, 12:52 am, "Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com>
wrote:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/9/27/1564/31180
The Washington Post reported yesterday that the Army is now saying
15-month deployments without a proper recovery time are "not
sustainable." Again, this is exactly what the Webb-Hagel Amendment
was all about-that is, until it was torpedoed by Republican al Qaeda
supporters in the Senate last week.
--
Yang
a.a.#28
Non sustainablity is a specialty of good governments gone corrupt...
Bad news for you guys:
How is this bad news?
The country's Democrats are counting on the next POTUS to cut and run
and none of the front runners can promise to do that.
³Cut and Run² the way Reagan did?
Reagan screwed the pooch on a lot of things the worst being his inaction
concerning terrorists.
It is irresponsible to say ³We made a mistake so we are going to
continue to make that same mistake rather than admit error.³ That is
what the chicken hawk Republicans want to do. Calling it ³cut and run²
is simple minded rhetoric aimed at the simple minded. If you buy the
phrase, put yourself in that group.
It would not be irresponsible (didn't they teach you in lawyer school
that double negatives are tres gauche?) if we *HAD* made a mistake.
No double negative in my statement.
However the boys fighting this war and the ones lining up to join and
get in on it know that we're winning it.
You are kidding yourself. From what I have seen, most know we are
losing - big time.
However, it is idiotic to say they can guarantee they can get the
troops out without first seeing what kind of mess the Republicans got
us into. It was a stupid question.
It was a very telling question. If your hopes come true these people who
you're pinning all your hopes on have admitted that they don't have a
clue what they'd do.
They are doing something that most people ³claim² they want politicians
to do but donıt like it when they do it. They telling the truth. Bush
has dug us into a hole. He is a liar who canıt be trusted. I believe
those who say they want us out. However, I understand that when the
Commander In Chief is a corrupt liar it is hard to know what is ahead
until you get in and see the truth.
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28 Sep 2007 09:47:32 AM |
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On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 07:06:55 -0700, Miriam Cohen
<fcpnNOmimSPAM@cox.net> wrote:
David W. Barnes wrote:
In article <PYZKi.294$7s6.230@newsfe16.phx>, Miriam Cohen
<fcpnNOmimSPAM@cox.net> wrote:
phil scott wrote:
On Sep 27, 12:52 am, "Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com>
wrote:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/9/27/1564/31180
The Washington Post reported yesterday that the Army is now saying
15-month deployments without a proper recovery time are "not
sustainable." Again, this is exactly what the Webb-Hagel Amendment
was all about-that is, until it was torpedoed by Republican al Qaeda
supporters in the Senate last week.
--
Yang
a.a.#28
Non sustainablity is a specialty of good governments gone corrupt...
Bad news for you guys:
How is this bad news?
The country's Democrats are counting on the next POTUS to cut and run
and none of the front runners can promise to do that.
You and AIPAC are free to go fight in Iraq yourself if you don't like
having our troops coming home.
Dems can't make guarantee on Iraq troops
By BETH FOUHY, Associated Press Writer
Thu Sep 27, 4:29 PM ET
The leading Democratic White House hopefuls conceded Wednesday night
they cannot guarantee to pull all U.S. combat troops from Iraq by the
end of the next presidential term in 2013.
"I think it's hard to project four years from now," said Sen. Barack
Obama of Illinois in the opening moments of a campaign debate in the
nation's first primary state.
"It is very difficult to know what we're going to be inheriting," added
Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York.
"I cannot make that commitment," said former Sen. John Edwards of North
Carolina.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070927/ap_po/democrats_debate
--
Yang
a.a.#28
"I can hardly wait for your head to explode when the Repubs hold onto
both houses of Congress this November. And Yang can quote me on that."
-Fred Stone, 6/14/2006
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28 Sep 2007 09:51:06 AM |
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"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in message
news:g05qf3d9k5ks0rl4fonlabfqsvmnmuu3mu@4ax.com...
On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 07:06:55 -0700, Miriam Cohen
<fcpnNOmimSPAM@cox.net> wrote:
David W. Barnes wrote:
In article <PYZKi.294$7s6.230@newsfe16.phx>, Miriam Cohen
<fcpnNOmimSPAM@cox.net> wrote:
phil scott wrote:
On Sep 27, 12:52 am, "Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com>
wrote:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/9/27/1564/31180
The Washington Post reported yesterday that the Army is now saying
15-month deployments without a proper recovery time are "not
sustainable." Again, this is exactly what the Webb-Hagel Amendment
was all about-that is, until it was torpedoed by Republican al Qaeda
supporters in the Senate last week.
--
Yang
a.a.#28
Non sustainablity is a specialty of good governments gone corrupt...
Bad news for you guys:
How is this bad news?
The country's Democrats are counting on the next POTUS to cut and run
and none of the front runners can promise to do that.
You and AIPAC are free to go fight in Iraq yourself if you don't like
having our troops coming home.
We all want our troops to come home Yang.
Wouldn't you rather that they do the job they need to do, in order to
prevent us from having to go back?
I can't think of one person I know, Democrat or Republican that wants our
men and women to go and die in combat or anywhere else.
It's time to just come clean and stop this bickering about what side is
right and what side is wrong. Neither you nor I are in any position to know
all the details as to why we went there in the first place. Only those at
the top know, and all we can do is trust that our leaders make the right
decisions and do the right thing.
Dems can't make guarantee on Iraq troops
By BETH FOUHY, Associated Press Writer
Thu Sep 27, 4:29 PM ET
The leading Democratic White House hopefuls conceded Wednesday night
they cannot guarantee to pull all U.S. combat troops from Iraq by the
end of the next presidential term in 2013.
"I think it's hard to project four years from now," said Sen. Barack
Obama of Illinois in the opening moments of a campaign debate in the
nation's first primary state.
"It is very difficult to know what we're going to be inheriting," added
Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York.
"I cannot make that commitment," said former Sen. John Edwards of North
Carolina.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070927/ap_po/democrats_debate
--
Yang
a.a.#28
"I can hardly wait for your head to explode when the Repubs hold onto
both houses of Congress this November. And Yang can quote me on that."
-Fred Stone, 6/14/2006
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28 Sep 2007 01:42:37 PM |
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In article <ppWdnQ1frMd5iWDbnZ2dnUVZ_qainZ2d@comcast.com>,
"Osprey" <NoNeedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
We all want our troops to come home Yang.
apparently not you. not *your* president.
Wouldn't you rather that they do the job they need to do, in order to
prevent us from having to go back?
the job they need to do is leave and come home.
why would we *have* to go back? we didn't need to go in the first
place and we went only based on *your* president's lies.
--
"New York Times has all ready sent me a response stating you have
been warned."
-- prison clerk heishman lying as "Osprey" <noneedtok...@mail.com>
in news:2rCdnZNy7LA5OojdRVn_iw@comcast.com
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28 Sep 2007 09:56:00 PM |
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On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 14:42:37 -0400, "james g. keegan jr."
<jgkeegan@gmail.com> wrote:
Wouldn't you rather that they do the job they need to do, in order to
prevent us from having to go back?
the job they need to do is leave and come home.
Your opinion is noted.
And as we all know..opinions are like asssholes, everyone has one and
they all stink.
Yours is no exception
Gunner
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29 Sep 2007 07:14:11 AM |
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In article <ckfrf39igejt9rdloing46e92kk6ipfj1f@4ax.com>,
Gunner <gunner@NOSPAM.lightspeed.net> wrote:
On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 14:42:37 -0400, "james g. keegan jr."
<jgkeegan@gmail.com> wrote:
Wouldn't you rather that they do the job they need to do, in order to
prevent us from having to go back?
the job they need to do is leave and come home.
Your opinion is noted.
not many would want to kill more american troops in the perpetuation
of an illegal invasion of another nation.
And as we all know..opinions are like asssholes, everyone has one and
they all stink. Yours is no exception
perhaps you are one of the few who do wish to kill more americans in
the perpetuation of an illegal invasion.
--
"New York Times has all ready sent me a response stating you have
been warned."
-- prison clerk heishman lying as "Osprey" <noneedtok...@mail.com>
in news:2rCdnZNy7LA5OojdRVn_iw@comcast.com
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30 Sep 2007 12:34:53 PM |
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On Sat, 29 Sep 2007 08:14:11 -0400, "james g. keegan jr."
<jgkeegan@gmail.com> wrote:
In article <ckfrf39igejt9rdloing46e92kk6ipfj1f@4ax.com>,
Gunner <gunner@NOSPAM.lightspeed.net> wrote:
On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 14:42:37 -0400, "james g. keegan jr."
<jgkeegan@gmail.com> wrote:
Wouldn't you rather that they do the job they need to do, in order to
prevent us from having to go back?
the job they need to do is leave and come home.
Your opinion is noted.
not many would want to kill more american troops in the perpetuation
of an illegal invasion of another nation.
And as we all know..opinions are like asssholes, everyone has one and
they all stink. Yours is no exception
perhaps you are one of the few who do wish to kill more americans in
the perpetuation of an illegal invasion.
Fascinating group of lies you manage in a single sentence.
You really should write for the DNC.
This is the Truth about Clintons bombing of Serbia and Kosovo, while
Bill Clinton was being impeached.
Fact: Serbia never threatened the USA, and was a friend and ally of
the US. The United Nations Forensic Units said there was no "ethnic
cleansing." It was a lie created by the Clintons and the Democrats to
get your mind off Bill Clinton's impeachment and Monica Lewinsky's
blow jobs.
Hillary Clinton ordered now ex-general "Weasel" Clark to bomb civilian
targets in the city of Kosovo for 78 days...and not Serbian
combatants. The result was Hillary Clinton is personally responsible
for murdering 250,000 Christian women and children. Hillary Clinton is
now the most famous Mass Murderer in history.
The result was that the Muslim terrorists who invaded Serbia from
Muslim Albania, who came from Chechnya, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia,
Syria, Iraq, Iran, Yemen, and other terrorist countries, and found the
US weak, stupid, and confused about the real intentions of the Islamic
World-Wide Jihad...and thus became emboldened. The murder of 3,000
Americans on September 11, 2001 was a direct result of the Clintons'
idiotic and mindless, selfish political and psychopathic behaviors
that has put this country and the world in jeopardy.
Serbian soldiers continue to fight on. They know the truth, and the
United States owes the Serbians not only an apology, but massive
reparations for the Clintons and the Democrat Party's destruction of
their country, and Mass Murder on the scale of Hitler.
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30 Sep 2007 01:19:37 PM |
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In article <lgnvf3lbtf2tae515vqnkae77ufs7vc1vq@4ax.com>,
Gunner Asch <gunner@NOSPAM.earthlink.net> wrote:
On Sat, 29 Sep 2007 08:14:11 -0400, "james g. keegan jr."
<jgkeegan@gmail.com> wrote:
perhaps you are one of the few who do wish to kill more americans in
the perpetuation of an illegal invasion.
Fascinating group of lies you manage in a single sentence.
it is not uncommon that neocon crazies make similar statements.
--
"New York Times has all ready sent me a response stating you have
been warned."
-- prison clerk heishman lying as "Osprey" <noneedtok...@mail.com>
in news:2rCdnZNy7LA5OojdRVn_iw@comcast.com
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30 Sep 2007 06:12:01 PM |
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On Sun, 30 Sep 2007 14:19:37 -0400, "james g. keegan jr."
<jgkeegan@gmail.com> wrote:
In article <lgnvf3lbtf2tae515vqnkae77ufs7vc1vq@4ax.com>,
Gunner Asch <gunner@NOSPAM.earthlink.net> wrote:
On Sat, 29 Sep 2007 08:14:11 -0400, "james g. keegan jr."
<jgkeegan@gmail.com> wrote:
perhaps you are one of the few who do wish to kill more americans in
the perpetuation of an illegal invasion.
Fascinating group of lies you manage in a single sentence.
it is not uncommon that neocon crazies make similar statements.
We are currently discussing yours. After you are properly
spanked..you may wish to divert everyones attention to neocons. Shrug
Gunner
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30 Sep 2007 06:36:36 PM |
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In article <68b0g31qhk6i2pbfhmu5vtaf73jtin0tkh@4ax.com>,
Gunner Asch <gunner@NOSPAM.earthlink.net> wrote:
On Sun, 30 Sep 2007 14:19:37 -0400, "james g. keegan jr."
<jgkeegan@gmail.com> wrote:
In article <lgnvf3lbtf2tae515vqnkae77ufs7vc1vq@4ax.com>,
Gunner Asch <gunner@NOSPAM.earthlink.net> wrote:
On Sat, 29 Sep 2007 08:14:11 -0400, "james g. keegan jr."
<jgkeegan@gmail.com> wrote:
perhaps you are one of the few who do wish to kill more americans in
the perpetuation of an illegal invasion.
Fascinating group of lies you manage in a single sentence.
it is not uncommon that neocon crazies make similar statements.
We are currently discussing yours
i can see why you'd pretend that was the case. you must be very
embarrassed.
After you are properly spanked.
tell me of your spanking fantasies, child.
--
"New York Times has all ready sent me a response stating you have
been warned."
-- prison clerk heishman lying as "Osprey" <noneedtok...@mail.com>
in news:2rCdnZNy7LA5OojdRVn_iw@comcast.com
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