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20 Nov 2004 02:31:18 AM |
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U.S.-Led Push for Broad U.N. Cloning Ban Crumbles |
Good news for world science, bad news for US science.
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U.S.-Led Push for Broad U.N. Cloning Ban Crumbles
Fri Nov 19, 6:05 PM ET
By Irwin Arieff
UNITED NATIONS (Reuters) - A divided United Nations (news - web sites)
on Friday rejected a U.S.-led campaign to ban all cloning of human
embryos, including for stem-cell research, as a General Assembly
committee opted instead for a nonbinding declaration.
With some viewing the practice as the destruction of human life and
others as a potentially lifesaving avenue of medical research, "we
thought it would be unbearable for the international community to be
divided on an issue like cloning," said Ambassador Mohamed Bennouna of
Morocco, chairman of the assembly's treaty-writing legal committee.
"The bottom line is that stem-cell research will advance. This
declaration will not chill stem-cell research," said Bernard Siegel, a
Florida attorney who led a lobbying drive by scientists and patient
advocacy groups to defend cloning for therapeutic ends.
Adopting an agreement reached late on Thursday between supporters and
foes of Washington's three-year drive for a broad anti-cloning treaty,
the U.N. committee shunted aside the U.S. proposal by consensus.
In its place, the panel adopted a resolution instructing a working group
to meet in February for talks on a political declaration put forward by
Italy as a face-saving compromise.
Rome suggested the assembly issue a nonbinding statement calling on
nations to adopt laws "to prohibit any attempts to create human life
through cloning processes and any research intended to achieve that aim."
'A MODERATE SUCCESS'
While proponents of embryonic stem-cell studies had problems with the
term "human life," they agreed the text could form the basis of future
negotiations, diplomats said.
U.S. envoy Carolyn Willson had no comment after the vote.
In Washington, State Department spokesman Adam Ereli said the United
States was pleased the United Nations had not issued an endorsement of
cloning.
"We are proud of our efforts to prevent human cloning. So the fact that
there isn't any action by the U.N. to endorse cloning is a moderate
success," Ereli told reporters.
Opponents of the U.S. plan said the outcome showed that a majority of
the 191 U.N. member-nations wanted to keep the door open to therapeutic
cloning, in which human embryos are cloned as part of research such as
stem-cell studies.
But Ambassador Bruno Stagno Ugarte of Costa Rica, who led nations
supporting Washington's plan, said it would have won in a straight
up-or-down vote but instead faced death through procedural challenges,
as happened twice before in the panel.
Friday's committee action fell a little over two weeks after U.S.
elections in which stem-cell research was an issue.
Opinion polls showed strong support for such studies, and the U.S.
Congress has so far shunned President Bush (news - web sites)'s pleas
for a tough law that bans therapeutic cloning.
But Bush has on his own restricted the use of federal money for
stem-cell research, allowing U.S. funding only for studies on embryonic
stem-cell batches that existed as of August 2001.
France and Germany first proposed a U.N. treaty banning human cloning in
2001, but the issue has been bottled up ever since over whether a treaty
should also ban the cloning of human embryos, as Washington insisted.
The United States says this is the taking of human life.
But scientists say the technique holds out the hope of a cure for some
100 million people with such conditions as Alzheimer's, cancer, diabetes
and spinal cord injury.
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http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=578&ncid=578&e=7&u=/nm/20
041119/ts_nm/science_cloning_un_dc
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John Hachmann aa #1782
Which raises the question: Can a people that believes more fervently
in theVirgin Birth than in evolution still be called an Enlightened
nation?-Garry Wills, New York Times 11/04/04
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20 Nov 2004 04:48:46 AM |
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In article <jhachm-BE6769.00311820112004@news.giganews.com>,
johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
Good news for world science, bad news for US science.
Indeed. The world has told America where to stuff its reactionary
attitudes about embryonic stem cells, but that will only make the nut
cases here work harder to get a ban passed here.
--
Nemo - EAC Commissioner for Bible Belt Underwater Operations.
Atheist #1331 (the Palindrome of doom!)
BAAWA Knight! - One of those warm Southern Knights, y'all!
Charter member, SMASH!!
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Quotemeister since March 2002
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| Title: Re: U.S.-Led Push for Broad U.N. Cloning Ban Crumbles |
21 Nov 2004 01:48:47 AM |
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In article <nemo0037-103D42.05484520112004@news1.east.earthlink.net>,
*nemo* <nemo0037@earthlink.dieSPAM.net> wrote:
In article <jhachm-BE6769.00311820112004@news.giganews.com>,
johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
Good news for world science, bad news for US science.
Indeed. The world has told America where to stuff its reactionary
attitudes about embryonic stem cells, but that will only make the nut
cases here work harder to get a ban passed here.
I want to see what happens here in California where we just passed an
initiative authorizing $3 bln for stem cell research. I wonder if the
Feds will try to block it. Schwartzenegger is 100% behind it. I didn't
like Ah-nuld at first, but now I'm starting to develop a sneaking
admiration for the guy. He's his own man and he's not going to let some
little 'girly guy' from Washington tell him what to do.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
Which raises the question: Can a people that believes more fervently
in theVirgin Birth than in evolution still be called an Enlightened
nation?-Garry Wills, New York Times 11/04/04
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21 Nov 2004 04:50:07 AM |
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In article <jhachm-766C8B.23484720112004@news.giganews.com>,
johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <nemo0037-103D42.05484520112004@news1.east.earthlink.net>,
*nemo* <nemo0037@earthlink.dieSPAM.net> wrote:
In article <jhachm-BE6769.00311820112004@news.giganews.com>,
johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
Good news for world science, bad news for US science.
Indeed. The world has told America where to stuff its reactionary
attitudes about embryonic stem cells, but that will only make the nut
cases here work harder to get a ban passed here.
I want to see what happens here in California where we just passed an
initiative authorizing $3 bln for stem cell research. I wonder if the
Feds will try to block it.
I don't doubt that there will be a proposed amendment coming along soon
that will make doing anything with a Holy Human Egg a capital offense.
Schwartzenegger is 100% behind it. I didn't
like Ah-nuld at first, but now I'm starting to develop a sneaking
admiration for the guy. He's his own man and he's not going to let some
little 'girly guy' from Washington tell him what to do.
So... what do you think of this "Amend the Constitution for Arnold"
business? {;-)
--
Nemo - EAC Commissioner for Bible Belt Underwater Operations.
Atheist #1331 (the Palindrome of doom!)
BAAWA Knight! - One of those warm Southern Knights, y'all!
Charter member, SMASH!!
http://home.earthlink.net/~jehdjh/Relpg.html
Draco Dormiens Nunquam Titillandus
Quotemeister since March 2002
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23 Nov 2004 12:27:20 AM |
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In article <nemo0037-E01C07.05500721112004@news1.east.earthlink.net>,
*nemo* <nemo0037@earthlink.dieSPAM.net> wrote:
In article <jhachm-766C8B.23484720112004@news.giganews.com>,
johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <nemo0037-103D42.05484520112004@news1.east.earthlink.net>,
*nemo* <nemo0037@earthlink.dieSPAM.net> wrote:
In article <jhachm-BE6769.00311820112004@news.giganews.com>,
johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
Good news for world science, bad news for US science.
Indeed. The world has told America where to stuff its reactionary
attitudes about embryonic stem cells, but that will only make the nut
cases here work harder to get a ban passed here.
I want to see what happens here in California where we just passed an
initiative authorizing $3 bln for stem cell research. I wonder if the
Feds will try to block it.
I don't doubt that there will be a proposed amendment coming along soon
that will make doing anything with a Holy Human Egg a capital offense.
So when the fertilized eggs in fertility clinics die off, as they will
eventually, even stored under liquid nitrogen, will the clinic workers
be required to sign a death certificate for each cell and give them a
''Christian burial'?
Schwartzenegger is 100% behind it. I didn't
like Ah-nuld at first, but now I'm starting to develop a sneaking
admiration for the guy. He's his own man and he's not going to let some
little 'girly guy' from Washington tell him what to do.
So... what do you think of this "Amend the Constitution for Arnold"
business? {;-)
Arnold may turn out OK as governor, but I don't know how he would do as
the presidentator. I object to this particular amendment since it is
obviously targeted to one individual of one particular party. (Although
some of his recent words and actions must be giving the Republicans who
are pushing the amendment cause for concern.)
On the other hand, I don't think that a person born in another country
and brought over say as a child and who has live most of his/her life in
this country should be disqualified from running for president. Adults
perhaps after a certain length of time, but I think that the subject
needs more debate.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
Which raises the question: Can a people that believes more fervently
in theVirgin Birth than in evolution still be called an Enlightened
nation?-Garry Wills, New York Times 11/04/04
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21 Nov 2004 12:00:53 PM |
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On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 10:48:46 GMT, *nemo*
<nemo0037@earthlink.dieSPAM.net> wrote:
In article <jhachm-BE6769.00311820112004@news.giganews.com>,
johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
Good news for world science, bad news for US science.
Indeed. The world has told America where to stuff its reactionary
attitudes about embryonic stem cells, but that will only make the nut
cases here work harder to get a ban passed here.
Ah, yes, The US of Jesusland(tm) land of the terminally ignorant.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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20 Nov 2004 03:17:09 AM |
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On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 00:31:18 -0800, johac wrote:
Good news for world science, bad news for US science.
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U.S.-Led Push for Broad U.N. Cloning Ban Crumbles
Fri Nov 19, 6:05 PM ET
By Irwin Arieff
UNITED NATIONS (Reuters) - A divided United Nations (news - web sites)
on Friday rejected a U.S.-led campaign to ban all cloning of human
embryos, including for stem-cell research, as a General Assembly
committee opted instead for a nonbinding declaration.
...
"The bottom line is that stem-cell research will advance. This
declaration will not chill stem-cell research," said Bernard Siegel, a
Florida attorney who led a lobbying drive by scientists and patient
advocacy groups to defend cloning for therapeutic ends.
Finally, some good news!
--
L. Raymond
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21 Nov 2004 01:54:50 AM |
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In article <1ptlgirox7hja$.szn6ehprvnpf.dlg@40tude.net>,
"L. Raymond" <badaddress@mylinuxisp.com> wrote:
On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 00:31:18 -0800, johac wrote:
Good news for world science, bad news for US science.
---
U.S.-Led Push for Broad U.N. Cloning Ban Crumbles
Fri Nov 19, 6:05 PM ET
By Irwin Arieff
UNITED NATIONS (Reuters) - A divided United Nations (news - web sites)
on Friday rejected a U.S.-led campaign to ban all cloning of human
embryos, including for stem-cell research, as a General Assembly
committee opted instead for a nonbinding declaration.
...
"The bottom line is that stem-cell research will advance. This
declaration will not chill stem-cell research," said Bernard Siegel, a
Florida attorney who led a lobbying drive by scientists and patient
advocacy groups to defend cloning for therapeutic ends.
Finally, some good news!
Indeed. History has shown that you can't hold science back. In spite of
all of its efforts to defend geocentrism, the medieval church could not
prevent scientists like Copernicus and Galileo from discovering that the
earth revolved around the sun rather than vice versa. Stem cell research
will be done.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
Which raises the question: Can a people that believes more fervently
in theVirgin Birth than in evolution still be called an Enlightened
nation?-Garry Wills, New York Times 11/04/04
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21 Nov 2004 08:43:37 PM |
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On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 23:54:50 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <1ptlgirox7hja$.szn6ehprvnpf.dlg@40tude.net>,
"L. Raymond" <badaddress@mylinuxisp.com> wrote:
On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 00:31:18 -0800, johac wrote:
Good news for world science, bad news for US science.
---
U.S.-Led Push for Broad U.N. Cloning Ban Crumbles
Fri Nov 19, 6:05 PM ET
By Irwin Arieff
UNITED NATIONS (Reuters) - A divided United Nations (news - web sites)
on Friday rejected a U.S.-led campaign to ban all cloning of human
embryos, including for stem-cell research, as a General Assembly
committee opted instead for a nonbinding declaration.
...
"The bottom line is that stem-cell research will advance. This
declaration will not chill stem-cell research," said Bernard Siegel, a
Florida attorney who led a lobbying drive by scientists and patient
advocacy groups to defend cloning for therapeutic ends.
Finally, some good news!
Indeed. History has shown that you can't hold science back. In spite of
all of its efforts to defend geocentrism, the medieval church could not
prevent scientists like Copernicus and Galileo from discovering that the
earth revolved around the sun rather than vice versa. Stem cell research
will be done.
And the US and American Christian Fundamentalists won't get any of the
profits.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
.
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23 Nov 2004 12:00:35 AM |
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In article <thk2q0dtq7iqqhummn8n9lc26lrjfh8plm@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 23:54:50 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <1ptlgirox7hja$.szn6ehprvnpf.dlg@40tude.net>,
"L. Raymond" <badaddress@mylinuxisp.com> wrote:
On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 00:31:18 -0800, johac wrote:
Good news for world science, bad news for US science.
---
U.S.-Led Push for Broad U.N. Cloning Ban Crumbles
Fri Nov 19, 6:05 PM ET
By Irwin Arieff
UNITED NATIONS (Reuters) - A divided United Nations (news - web sites)
on Friday rejected a U.S.-led campaign to ban all cloning of human
embryos, including for stem-cell research, as a General Assembly
committee opted instead for a nonbinding declaration.
...
"The bottom line is that stem-cell research will advance. This
declaration will not chill stem-cell research," said Bernard Siegel, a
Florida attorney who led a lobbying drive by scientists and patient
advocacy groups to defend cloning for therapeutic ends.
Finally, some good news!
Indeed. History has shown that you can't hold science back. In spite of
all of its efforts to defend geocentrism, the medieval church could not
prevent scientists like Copernicus and Galileo from discovering that the
earth revolved around the sun rather than vice versa. Stem cell research
will be done.
And the US and American Christian Fundamentalists won't get any of the
profits.
I can see some fundy business exec saying:" WTF? No Profits? Wait a
minute guys, let's rethink this!"
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
Which raises the question: Can a people that believes more fervently
in theVirgin Birth than in evolution still be called an Enlightened
nation?-Garry Wills, New York Times 11/04/04
.
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24 Nov 2004 07:14:16 PM |
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On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 22:00:35 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <thk2q0dtq7iqqhummn8n9lc26lrjfh8plm@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 23:54:50 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <1ptlgirox7hja$.szn6ehprvnpf.dlg@40tude.net>,
"L. Raymond" <badaddress@mylinuxisp.com> wrote:
On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 00:31:18 -0800, johac wrote:
Good news for world science, bad news for US science.
---
U.S.-Led Push for Broad U.N. Cloning Ban Crumbles
Fri Nov 19, 6:05 PM ET
By Irwin Arieff
UNITED NATIONS (Reuters) - A divided United Nations (news - web sites)
on Friday rejected a U.S.-led campaign to ban all cloning of human
embryos, including for stem-cell research, as a General Assembly
committee opted instead for a nonbinding declaration.
...
"The bottom line is that stem-cell research will advance. This
declaration will not chill stem-cell research," said Bernard Siegel, a
Florida attorney who led a lobbying drive by scientists and patient
advocacy groups to defend cloning for therapeutic ends.
Finally, some good news!
Indeed. History has shown that you can't hold science back. In spite of
all of its efforts to defend geocentrism, the medieval church could not
prevent scientists like Copernicus and Galileo from discovering that the
earth revolved around the sun rather than vice versa. Stem cell research
will be done.
And the US and American Christian Fundamentalists won't get any of the
profits.
I can see some fundy business exec saying:" WTF? No Profits? Wait a
minute guys, let's rethink this!"
New tax initiative time!
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
.
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25 Nov 2004 12:20:39 AM |
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In article <sdcaq0p3vbl441jf5a5qq7c0ol5de001q4@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 22:00:35 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <thk2q0dtq7iqqhummn8n9lc26lrjfh8plm@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 23:54:50 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <1ptlgirox7hja$.szn6ehprvnpf.dlg@40tude.net>,
"L. Raymond" <badaddress@mylinuxisp.com> wrote:
On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 00:31:18 -0800, johac wrote:
Good news for world science, bad news for US science.
---
U.S.-Led Push for Broad U.N. Cloning Ban Crumbles
Fri Nov 19, 6:05 PM ET
By Irwin Arieff
UNITED NATIONS (Reuters) - A divided United Nations (news - web
sites)
on Friday rejected a U.S.-led campaign to ban all cloning of human
embryos, including for stem-cell research, as a General Assembly
committee opted instead for a nonbinding declaration.
...
"The bottom line is that stem-cell research will advance. This
declaration will not chill stem-cell research," said Bernard Siegel,
a
Florida attorney who led a lobbying drive by scientists and patient
advocacy groups to defend cloning for therapeutic ends.
Finally, some good news!
Indeed. History has shown that you can't hold science back. In spite of
all of its efforts to defend geocentrism, the medieval church could not
prevent scientists like Copernicus and Galileo from discovering that the
earth revolved around the sun rather than vice versa. Stem cell research
will be done.
And the US and American Christian Fundamentalists won't get any of the
profits.
I can see some fundy business exec saying:" WTF? No Profits? Wait a
minute guys, let's rethink this!"
New tax initiative time!
Tax everybody except those who can afford to p[ay!
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
Which raises the question: Can a people that believes more fervently
in theVirgin Birth than in evolution still be called an Enlightened
nation?-Garry Wills, New York Times 11/04/04
.
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25 Nov 2004 12:49:13 PM |
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On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 22:20:39 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <sdcaq0p3vbl441jf5a5qq7c0ol5de001q4@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 22:00:35 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <thk2q0dtq7iqqhummn8n9lc26lrjfh8plm@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 23:54:50 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <1ptlgirox7hja$.szn6ehprvnpf.dlg@40tude.net>,
"L. Raymond" <badaddress@mylinuxisp.com> wrote:
On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 00:31:18 -0800, johac wrote:
Good news for world science, bad news for US science.
---
U.S.-Led Push for Broad U.N. Cloning Ban Crumbles
Fri Nov 19, 6:05 PM ET
By Irwin Arieff
UNITED NATIONS (Reuters) - A divided United Nations (news - web
sites)
on Friday rejected a U.S.-led campaign to ban all cloning of human
embryos, including for stem-cell research, as a General Assembly
committee opted instead for a nonbinding declaration.
...
"The bottom line is that stem-cell research will advance. This
declaration will not chill stem-cell research," said Bernard Siegel,
a
Florida attorney who led a lobbying drive by scientists and patient
advocacy groups to defend cloning for therapeutic ends.
Finally, some good news!
Indeed. History has shown that you can't hold science back. In spite of
all of its efforts to defend geocentrism, the medieval church could not
prevent scientists like Copernicus and Galileo from discovering that the
earth revolved around the sun rather than vice versa. Stem cell research
will be done.
And the US and American Christian Fundamentalists won't get any of the
profits.
I can see some fundy business exec saying:" WTF? No Profits? Wait a
minute guys, let's rethink this!"
New tax initiative time!
Tax everybody except those who can afford to p[ay!
That's what the current code is.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
.
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| Title: Re: U.S.-Led Push for Broad U.N. Cloning Ban Crumbles |
26 Nov 2004 12:37:31 AM |
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In article <p8acq0h2atmmtg4j4idol6k78fmoori8r2@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 22:20:39 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <sdcaq0p3vbl441jf5a5qq7c0ol5de001q4@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 22:00:35 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <thk2q0dtq7iqqhummn8n9lc26lrjfh8plm@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 23:54:50 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <1ptlgirox7hja$.szn6ehprvnpf.dlg@40tude.net>,
"L. Raymond" <badaddress@mylinuxisp.com> wrote:
On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 00:31:18 -0800, johac wrote:
Good news for world science, bad news for US science.
---
U.S.-Led Push for Broad U.N. Cloning Ban Crumbles
Fri Nov 19, 6:05 PM ET
By Irwin Arieff
UNITED NATIONS (Reuters) - A divided United Nations (news - web
sites)
on Friday rejected a U.S.-led campaign to ban all cloning of human
embryos, including for stem-cell research, as a General Assembly
committee opted instead for a nonbinding declaration.
...
"The bottom line is that stem-cell research will advance. This
declaration will not chill stem-cell research," said Bernard
Siegel,
a
Florida attorney who led a lobbying drive by scientists and
patient
advocacy groups to defend cloning for therapeutic ends.
Finally, some good news!
Indeed. History has shown that you can't hold science back. In spite
of
all of its efforts to defend geocentrism, the medieval church could
not
prevent scientists like Copernicus and Galileo from discovering that
the
earth revolved around the sun rather than vice versa. Stem cell
research
will be done.
And the US and American Christian Fundamentalists won't get any of the
profits.
I can see some fundy business exec saying:" WTF? No Profits? Wait a
minute guys, let's rethink this!"
New tax initiative time!
Tax everybody except those who can afford to p[ay!
That's what the current code is.
The rich get to dance and the rest of us get to pay the piper.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
Which raises the question: Can a people that believes more fervently
in theVirgin Birth than in evolution still be called an Enlightened
nation?-Garry Wills, New York Times 11/04/04
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26 Nov 2004 04:34:16 PM |
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On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 22:37:31 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <p8acq0h2atmmtg4j4idol6k78fmoori8r2@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 22:20:39 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <sdcaq0p3vbl441jf5a5qq7c0ol5de001q4@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
[]
And the US and American Christian Fundamentalists won't get any of the
profits.
I can see some fundy business exec saying:" WTF? No Profits? Wait a
minute guys, let's rethink this!"
New tax initiative time!
Tax everybody except those who can afford to p[ay!
That's what the current code is.
The rich get to dance and the rest of us get to pay the piper.
Damned parasites.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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| Title: Re: U.S.-Led Push for Broad U.N. Cloning Ban Crumbles |
27 Nov 2004 01:16:53 AM |
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In article <aqbfq095lqovd6q2tmtgkm111jhf912h4m@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 22:37:31 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <p8acq0h2atmmtg4j4idol6k78fmoori8r2@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 22:20:39 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <sdcaq0p3vbl441jf5a5qq7c0ol5de001q4@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
[]
And the US and American Christian Fundamentalists won't get any of
the
profits.
I can see some fundy business exec saying:" WTF? No Profits? Wait a
minute guys, let's rethink this!"
New tax initiative time!
Tax everybody except those who can afford to p[ay!
That's what the current code is.
The rich get to dance and the rest of us get to pay the piper.
Damned parasites.
Leeches. they get fat on the blood that they suck from the rest of us.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
Which raises the question: Can a people that believes more fervently
in theVirgin Birth than in evolution still be called an Enlightened
nation?-Garry Wills, New York Times 11/04/04
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27 Nov 2004 03:11:32 PM |
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On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 23:16:53 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <aqbfq095lqovd6q2tmtgkm111jhf912h4m@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 22:37:31 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <p8acq0h2atmmtg4j4idol6k78fmoori8r2@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 22:20:39 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <sdcaq0p3vbl441jf5a5qq7c0ol5de001q4@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
[]
And the US and American Christian Fundamentalists won't get any of
the
profits.
I can see some fundy business exec saying:" WTF? No Profits? Wait a
minute guys, let's rethink this!"
New tax initiative time!
Tax everybody except those who can afford to p[ay!
That's what the current code is.
The rich get to dance and the rest of us get to pay the piper.
Damned parasites.
Leeches. they get fat on the blood that they suck from the rest of us.
They learned from the Catholic church.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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| Title: Re: U.S.-Led Push for Broad U.N. Cloning Ban Crumbles |
28 Nov 2004 12:56:43 AM |
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In article <hbrhq0daeruh80lchpo7vqeei78m5lg6jk@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 23:16:53 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <aqbfq095lqovd6q2tmtgkm111jhf912h4m@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 22:37:31 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <p8acq0h2atmmtg4j4idol6k78fmoori8r2@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 22:20:39 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <sdcaq0p3vbl441jf5a5qq7c0ol5de001q4@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
[]
And the US and American Christian Fundamentalists won't get any
of
the
profits.
I can see some fundy business exec saying:" WTF? No Profits? Wait a
minute guys, let's rethink this!"
New tax initiative time!
Tax everybody except those who can afford to p[ay!
That's what the current code is.
The rich get to dance and the rest of us get to pay the piper.
Damned parasites.
Leeches. they get fat on the blood that they suck from the rest of us.
They learned from the Catholic church.
Yeah. 2000+ years of blood sucking. Practice makes perfect.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
Which raises the question: Can a people that believes more fervently
in theVirgin Birth than in evolution still be called an Enlightened
nation?-Garry Wills, New York Times 11/04/04
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: U.S.-Led Push for Broad U.N. Cloning Ban Crumbles |
28 Nov 2004 12:32:46 PM |
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On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 22:56:43 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <hbrhq0daeruh80lchpo7vqeei78m5lg6jk@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 23:16:53 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <aqbfq095lqovd6q2tmtgkm111jhf912h4m@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 22:37:31 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <p8acq0h2atmmtg4j4idol6k78fmoori8r2@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 22:20:39 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <sdcaq0p3vbl441jf5a5qq7c0ol5de001q4@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
[]
And the US and American Christian Fundamentalists won't get any
of
the
profits.
I can see some fundy business exec saying:" WTF? No Profits? Wait a
minute guys, let's rethink this!"
New tax initiative time!
Tax everybody except those who can afford to p[ay!
That's what the current code is.
The rich get to dance and the rest of us get to pay the piper.
Damned parasites.
Leeches. they get fat on the blood that they suck from the rest of us.
They learned from the Catholic church.
Yeah. 2000+ years of blood sucking. Practice makes perfect.
Slavery and (clergy drools) altar boys. YUMMY! (they say)
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
.
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: U.S.-Led Push for Broad U.N. Cloning Ban Crumbles |
28 Nov 2004 11:30:29 PM |
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In article <id6kq0t33fl8ocbf2oip5640s4da2s2cp8@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 22:56:43 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <hbrhq0daeruh80lchpo7vqeei78m5lg6jk@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 23:16:53 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <aqbfq095lqovd6q2tmtgkm111jhf912h4m@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 22:37:31 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <p8acq0h2atmmtg4j4idol6k78fmoori8r2@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 22:20:39 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <sdcaq0p3vbl441jf5a5qq7c0ol5de001q4@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
[]
And the US and American Christian Fundamentalists won't get
any
of
the
profits.
I can see some fundy business exec saying:" WTF? No Profits?
Wait a
minute guys, let's rethink this!"
New tax initiative time!
Tax everybody except those who can afford to p[ay!
That's what the current code is.
The rich get to dance and the rest of us get to pay the piper.
Damned parasites.
Leeches. they get fat on the blood that they suck from the rest of us.
They learned from the Catholic church.
Yeah. 2000+ years of blood sucking. Practice makes perfect.
Slavery and (clergy drools) altar boys. YUMMY! (they say)
Part of the new litany:
"From lack of willing young altar boys."
Response: "Good lord deliver us."
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
Which raises the question: Can a people that believes more fervently
in theVirgin Birth than in evolution still be called an Enlightened
nation?-Garry Wills, New York Times 11/04/04
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: U.S.-Led Push for Broad U.N. Cloning Ban Crumbles |
29 Nov 2004 09:36:48 AM |
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On Sun, 28 Nov 2004 21:30:29 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <id6kq0t33fl8ocbf2oip5640s4da2s2cp8@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 22:56:43 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <hbrhq0daeruh80lchpo7vqeei78m5lg6jk@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 23:16:53 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <aqbfq095lqovd6q2tmtgkm111jhf912h4m@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 22:37:31 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <p8acq0h2atmmtg4j4idol6k78fmoori8r2@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 22:20:39 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <sdcaq0p3vbl441jf5a5qq7c0ol5de001q4@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
[]
And the US and American Christian Fundamentalists won't get
any
of
the
profits.
I can see some fundy business exec saying:" WTF? No Profits?
Wait a
minute guys, let's rethink this!"
New tax initiative time!
Tax everybody except those who can afford to p[ay!
That's what the current code is.
The rich get to dance and the rest of us get to pay the piper.
Damned parasites.
Leeches. they get fat on the blood that they suck from the rest of us.
They learned from the Catholic church.
Yeah. 2000+ years of blood sucking. Practice makes perfect.
Slavery and (clergy drools) altar boys. YUMMY! (they say)
Part of the new litany:
"From lack of willing young altar boys."
Since when has 'willing' mattered?
Response: "Good lord deliver us."
And, again, "THE LORD(tm)" does not provide.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
.
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: U.S.-Led Push for Broad U.N. Cloning Ban Crumbles |
01 Dec 2004 12:40:31 AM |
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In article <iegmq05nqrookdoul8pgjiodscuhe3ofej@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sun, 28 Nov 2004 21:30:29 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <id6kq0t33fl8ocbf2oip5640s4da2s2cp8@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 22:56:43 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <hbrhq0daeruh80lchpo7vqeei78m5lg6jk@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 23:16:53 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <aqbfq095lqovd6q2tmtgkm111jhf912h4m@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 22:37:31 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <p8acq0h2atmmtg4j4idol6k78fmoori8r2@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 22:20:39 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com>
wrote:
In article <sdcaq0p3vbl441jf5a5qq7c0ol5de001q4@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
[]
And the US and American Christian Fundamentalists won't get
any
of
the
profits.
I can see some fundy business exec saying:" WTF? No Profits?
Wait a
minute guys, let's rethink this!"
New tax initiative time!
Tax everybody except those who can afford to p[ay!
That's what the current code is.
The rich get to dance and the rest of us get to pay the piper.
Damned parasites.
Leeches. they get fat on the blood that they suck from the rest of us.
They learned from the Catholic church.
Yeah. 2000+ years of blood sucking. Practice makes perfect.
Slavery and (clergy drools) altar boys. YUMMY! (they say)
Part of the new litany:
"From lack of willing young altar boys."
Since when has 'willing' mattered?
They have to keep up appearances.
Response: "Good lord deliver us."
And, again, "THE LORD(tm)" does not provide.
But that's not what they tell the sheep.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
Which raises the question: Can a people that believes more fervently
in theVirgin Birth than in evolution still be called an Enlightened
nation?-Garry Wills, New York Times 11/04/04
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: U.S.-Led Push for Broad U.N. Cloning Ban Crumbles |
01 Dec 2004 10:02:55 AM |
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On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 22:40:31 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <iegmq05nqrookdoul8pgjiodscuhe3ofej@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sun, 28 Nov 2004 21:30:29 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <id6kq0t33fl8ocbf2oip5640s4da2s2cp8@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 22:56:43 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <hbrhq0daeruh80lchpo7vqeei78m5lg6jk@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 23:16:53 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <aqbfq095lqovd6q2tmtgkm111jhf912h4m@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 22:37:31 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <p8acq0h2atmmtg4j4idol6k78fmoori8r2@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 22:20:39 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com>
wrote:
In article <sdcaq0p3vbl441jf5a5qq7c0ol5de001q4@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
[]
And the US and American Christian Fundamentalists won't get
any
of
the
profits.
I can see some fundy business exec saying:" WTF? No Profits?
Wait a
minute guys, let's rethink this!"
New tax initiative time!
Tax everybody except those who can afford to p[ay!
That's what the current code is.
The rich get to dance and the rest of us get to pay the piper.
Damned parasites.
Leeches. they get fat on the blood that they suck from the rest of us.
They learned from the Catholic church.
Yeah. 2000+ years of blood sucking. Practice makes perfect.
Slavery and (clergy drools) altar boys. YUMMY! (they say)
Part of the new litany:
"From lack of willing young altar boys."
Since when has 'willing' mattered?
They have to keep up appearances.
What 'appearances?' The Pope's flat stated his concern is, at the
minimum, maintaining current coercive funding levels.
Response: "Good lord deliver us."
And, again, "THE LORD(tm)" does not provide.
But that's not what they tell the sheep.
Of course not. Such would be against Christian institutional ethics.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
.
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: U.S.-Led Push for Broad U.N. Cloning Ban Crumbles |
02 Dec 2004 12:27:22 AM |
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In article <slqrq0p2q9efdebooa0dfbfnsomee33j15@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 22:40:31 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <iegmq05nqrookdoul8pgjiodscuhe3ofej@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sun, 28 Nov 2004 21:30:29 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <id6kq0t33fl8ocbf2oip5640s4da2s2cp8@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 22:56:43 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <hbrhq0daeruh80lchpo7vqeei78m5lg6jk@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 23:16:53 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <aqbfq095lqovd6q2tmtgkm111jhf912h4m@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 22:37:31 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com>
wrote:
In article <p8acq0h2atmmtg4j4idol6k78fmoori8r2@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 22:20:39 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com>
wrote:
In article <sdcaq0p3vbl441jf5a5qq7c0ol5de001q4@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
[]
And the US and American Christian Fundamentalists won't
get
any
of
the
profits.
I can see some fundy business exec saying:" WTF? No
Profits?
Wait a
minute guys, let's rethink this!"
New tax initiative time!
Tax everybody except those who can afford to p[ay!
That's what the current code is.
The rich get to dance and the rest of us get to pay the piper.
Damned parasites.
Leeches. they get fat on the blood that they suck from the rest of
us.
They learned from the Catholic church.
Yeah. 2000+ years of blood sucking. Practice makes perfect.
Slavery and (clergy drools) altar boys. YUMMY! (they say)
Part of the new litany:
"From lack of willing young altar boys."
Since when has 'willing' mattered?
They have to keep up appearances.
What 'appearances?' The Pope's flat stated his concern is, at the
minimum, maintaining current coercive funding levels.
Response: "Good lord deliver us."
And, again, "THE LORD(tm)" does not provide.
But that's not what they tell the sheep.
Of course not. Such would be against Christian institutional ethics.
Actually they treat the 'faithful' more like mushrooms. Keep 'em in the
dark and feed 'em horse *****.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
Which raises the question: Can a people that believes more fervently
in theVirgin Birth than in evolution still be called an Enlightened
nation?-Garry Wills, New York Times 11/04/04
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| Title: Re: U.S.-Led Push for Broad U.N. Cloning Ban Crumbles |
02 Dec 2004 11:27:04 AM |
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On Wed, 01 Dec 2004 22:27:22 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <slqrq0p2q9efdebooa0dfbfnsomee33j15@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 22:40:31 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <iegmq05nqrookdoul8pgjiodscuhe3ofej@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sun, 28 Nov 2004 21:30:29 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <id6kq0t33fl8ocbf2oip5640s4da2s2cp8@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 22:56:43 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <hbrhq0daeruh80lchpo7vqeei78m5lg6jk@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 23:16:53 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <aqbfq095lqovd6q2tmtgkm111jhf912h4m@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 22:37:31 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com>
wrote:
In article <p8acq0h2atmmtg4j4idol6k78fmoori8r2@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 22:20:39 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com>
wrote:
In article <sdcaq0p3vbl441jf5a5qq7c0ol5de001q4@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
[]
And the US and American Christian Fundamentalists won't
get
any
of
the
profits.
I can see some fundy business exec saying:" WTF? No
Profits?
Wait a
minute guys, let's rethink this!"
New tax initiative time!
Tax everybody except those who can afford to p[ay!
That's what the current code is.
The rich get to dance and the rest of us get to pay the piper.
Damned parasites.
Leeches. they get fat on the blood that they suck from the rest of
us.
They learned from the Catholic church.
Yeah. 2000+ years of blood sucking. Practice makes perfect.
Slavery and (clergy drools) altar boys. YUMMY! (they say)
Part of the new litany:
"From lack of willing young altar boys."
Since when has 'willing' mattered?
They have to keep up appearances.
What 'appearances?' The Pope's flat stated his concern is, at the
minimum, maintaining current coercive funding levels.
Response: "Good lord deliver us."
And, again, "THE LORD(tm)" does not provide.
But that's not what they tell the sheep.
Of course not. Such would be against Christian institutional ethics.
Actually they treat the 'faithful' more like mushrooms. Keep 'em in the
dark and feed 'em horse *****.
That too, but I was speaking of printed news articles.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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21 Nov 2004 04:41:11 PM |
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On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 23:54:50 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
Stem cell research
will be done.
Our kingdom come!
--
/Apostate
atheist #1931 I've found it!
BAAWA Knife AND SMASHer
EAC Supernumerary Deputy Director, Department of Redundancy Department
plonked by Lani_girl, first post; Billions Served!
I doubt, therefore I might be.
For e-mail, hold that tiger!
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: U.S.-Led Push for Broad U.N. Cloning Ban Crumbles |
23 Nov 2004 12:05:52 AM |
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In article <na62q01uh8g7qupv2uhodtl5o9dev6kskk@4ax.com>,
Apostate <Apostate.invalid@yeehaw.org> wrote:
On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 23:54:50 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
Stem cell research
will be done.
Our kingdom come!
On the rest of the Earth
as it is in the laboratory...
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John Hachmann aa #1782
Which raises the question: Can a people that believes more fervently
in theVirgin Birth than in evolution still be called an Enlightened
nation?-Garry Wills, New York Times 11/04/04
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| User: "Tukla Ratte" |
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| Title: Re: U.S.-Led Push for Broad U.N. Cloning Ban Crumbles |
29 Nov 2004 04:03:13 PM |
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johac wrote:
Good news for world science, bad news for US science.
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U.S.-Led Push for Broad U.N. Cloning Ban Crumbles
I would hope, by this point, that the UN votes down any US proposal as a
matter of course.
< snip >
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Tukla, Eater of Theists, Squeaker of Chew Toys
Official Mascot of Alt.Atheism, aa 1347
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: U.S.-Led Push for Broad U.N. Cloning Ban Crumbles |
30 Nov 2004 10:12:39 AM |
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On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 16:03:13 -0600, Tukla Ratte
<tukla_ratte@tukla.net> wrote:
johac wrote:
Good news for world science, bad news for US science.
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U.S.-Led Push for Broad U.N. Cloning Ban Crumbles
I would hope, by this point, that the UN votes down any US proposal as a
matter of course.
Indeed. It's not like the US has any credibility.
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Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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| User: "Tukla Ratte" |
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| Title: Re: U.S.-Led Push for Broad U.N. Cloning Ban Crumbles |
30 Nov 2004 12:57:23 PM |
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stoney wrote:
On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 16:03:13 -0600, Tukla Ratte
<tukla_ratte@tukla.net> wrote:
< snip >
I would hope, by this point, that the UN votes down any US proposal as a
matter of course.
Indeed. It's not like the US has any credibility.
Or even keeps up on its membership dues.
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Tukla, Eater of Theists, Squeaker of Chew Toys
Official Mascot of Alt.Atheism, aa 1347
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