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User: "Rump Ranger"
Date: 21 Feb 2005 11:47:36 PM
Object: US Military = Overrated
With all this talk about how the US military is the "best trained in
the world" and can't be defeated, one never hears the obvious question:
If they're so effective, why is it that 150,000 of them can't get rid
of a few thousand lightly armed insurgents in Iraq? If anything, the
movement is actually *getting larger* over there despite the US
military's best efforts. We were assured in May 2003 that "major
combat operations" were over. That was false. Then we were assured
that while there was an insurgency, it'd be gone in a few months
because all they were was "target practice" for our "well trained"
troops. Here we are nearly two years later and we're still fighting an
insurgency which grows by the day. Only one conclusion can be drawn:
our military is entirely overrated.
But don't let little things like facts get in the way of militarists
who believe civilians are "inferior" to them. They have an ego to
stroke to cover for their latent insecurity, and boy, don't they ever
self congratulate themselves despite most of it being unwarranted:
--------------------------------------------------
http://www.lewrockwell.com/roberts/roberts96.html
Bush Outfoxed By Bin Laden
by Paul Craig Roberts
President Bush's invasion has turned Iraq into a recruiting and
training ground for anti-US terrorists, according to CIA director
Porter Goss in testimony before the Senate Select Committee on
Intelligence on February 16. Goss' report was supported by Vice
Admiral Lowell Jacoby, director of the Defense Intelligence Agency.
Jacoby told the committee that "our policies in the Middle East fuel
Islamic resentment." The Iraq insurgency, Jacoby reported, has grown
"in size and complexity over the past year" with daily attacks
increasing 240%.
The situation, in other words, is out of control. 150,000 American
troops are tied down by a few thousand lightly armed insurgents. The
recent Iraq election was won by Shi'ites allied with Iran. US
casualties continue to mount, and our troops can seldom tell friend
from foe.
Why isn't Bush looking for a way out of the greatest strategic
blunder in American history? Why, instead, is Bush and his government
doing all they can to spread the conflict into Syria and Iran?
The neoconservatives' goal is the same as Osama bin Laden's - to
spread instability in the Middle East. The neocons seek to foment
instability in order to justify more US invasions in an insane quest to
remake the Middle East in the American image. Bin Laden seeks
instability in order to topple the secular rulers and recreate Islamic
rule. Bin Laden does not want US troops out. He wants to suck America
in deeper in order to create revolutionary insurgency throughout the
Middle East.
The Bush administration is moronic enough to oblige bin Laden. In a
recent 24-hour period the Bush administration made the following
mistakes:
The Bush administration blamed Syria for the recent assassination of a
former Lebanese prime minister, recalled the US ambassador to Syria,
and demanded that Syria withdraw its troops from Lebanon. In public
statements, administration officials have accused Iran of being close
to producing nuclear weapons despite all evidence to the contrary. VP
Cheney suggested that Israel bomb Iran's nuclear installations, and
President Bush said Israel had the right to preemptive attack and that
the US would support Israel.
There is no evidence that Syria is responsible for the assassination.
The International Atomic Energy Agency conducts regular inspections of
Iran's nuclear facilities and reports that there are no weapons
violations. France, Germany and Russia have reached the same
conclusion. Yet, once again the US misrepresents the facts in order to
deceive the American people and create a climate for expanding Bush's
war in the Middle East.
Despite the disaster they have caused, neoconservatives still hold the
reins of power in the Bush administration. They have made their agenda
clear: war throughout the Middle East. Their orchestrated invasion of
Iraq was merely a stepping-stone to their wider aim. The neocons seize
every opportunity to use provocative accusations, bellicose threats,
and propaganda to stir up ever more American enemies in the Middle
East. Their goal is to provoke a "Pearl Harbor," as Christopher Manion
terms it, that can be used to bring back the military draft.
This policy plays directly into bin Laden's hands. Osama has
succeeded in tricking America into spending $300 billion in an
unsuccessful act of revenge that has ruined America's reputation
while recruiting tens of thousands of recruits for bin Laden.
The neoconservatives are the greatest threat America has ever faced,
and they control the Office of the President, the Office of the Vice
President, the Department of State, the Department of Defense, and the
police state apparatus known as "Homeland Security."
The neocons have enormous propaganda resources: the entirely of
rightwing talk radio, the Weekly Standard, the Wall Street Journal, Fox
"News," National Review, the Washington Times, and numerous daily
newspapers.
Neocons have succeeded in intimidating the TV networks, National Public
Radio and CNN. The neocons cannot fully control the news, but they
abuse the offices of trust that they occupy in order to spin the news
to their purposes.
Any day now the neocons may orchestrate a scenario that will suck the
US into a wider war that America has no possibility of winning. If the
American people had the slightest sense of their danger, they would
demand immediate US withdrawal from Iraq and accountability for the
liars who orchestrated the ill-fated US invasion.
February 21, 2005
Dr. Roberts [send him mail] is John M. Olin Fellow at the Institute for
Political Economy and Research Fellow at the Independent Institute. He
is a former associate editor of the Wall Street Journal, former
contributing editor for National Review, and a former assistant
secretary of the U.S. Treasury. He is the co-author of The Tyranny of
Good Intentions.=20
Copyright =A9 2005 Creators Syndicate
.

User: ""

Title: Re: US Military = Overrated 22 Feb 2005 12:31:01 PM
"Rump Ranger" wrote:

With all this talk about how the US >military is the "best trained in
the world" and can't be defeated, one >never hears the obvious

question:

If they're so effective, why is it that >150,000 of them can't get

rid

of a few thousand lightly armed >insurgents in Iraq?

Because the insurgency is much larger than Washington will admit to
- and because it refuses to fight Washington's specialty of gizmo
warfare, instead forcing Washington to fight the kind of war that
Washington's no good at (rifle warfare).
Look at those two idiot black "snipers" who tied down a full 10% of
fedcop resources for a month - and only got caught by their own
incredible greed in trying to get a stolen debit card recharged! If
Washington couldn't take on two such idiots - neither of whom could
shoot past 100 yds. - within a month, what chance does Washington have
against large numbers of Iraqi insurgents?
Then there's the paradox of Iraq. Washington recruits for the
insurgency. Every Iraqi man bullied at gunpoint by a female GI in
front of his family at a checkpoint may never have cared either way
about the war before - but surely decides to kill a GI the next day.
See all our stuff at <a
href="http://stores.ebay.com/INTERNET-GUN-SHOW">Internet Gun Show!</a>
.
User: "Morton Davis"

Title: Re: US Military = Overrated 23 Feb 2005 06:42:57 AM
<editor@netpath.net> wrote in message
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"Rump Ranger" wrote:

With all this talk about how the US >military is the "best trained in
the world" and can't be defeated, one >never hears the obvious

question:

If they're so effective, why is it that >150,000 of them can't get

rid

of a few thousand lightly armed >insurgents in Iraq?


Because the insurgency is much larger than Washington will admit to
- and because it refuses to fight Washington's specialty of gizmo
warfare, instead forcing Washington to fight the kind of war that
Washington's no good at (rifle warfare).

Actually, the "insurgency" is relativelty small. They are incapable of
engaging in any military confrontations. The few times they tried, they got
stomped on. Suicide bombers are a good scre tactic, however, suicide bombers
can only do that once. Their leaders leave nothing to chance. EOD has
recovered remote detonators from suicide bomb attack sites. The guy who
drove the fuel truck into the compoiund around Christmas survived. He's
getting excellent American medical care for burns over most of his body.
He's stated he had no intention of blowing himself up. He thought he was
supposed to get out of the truck and then it was to be detonated. Another
bomb vehicle rammed the tanker and blew him up.
So some of those suicide bombers are more like murder victims. The US
military will soon be using a weapon that will explode car bombs enroute. It
will also likely set off RPGs.

Look at those two idiot black "snipers" who tied down a full 10% of
fedcop resources for a month - and only got caught by their own
incredible greed in trying to get a stolen debit card recharged! If
Washington couldn't take on two such idiots - neither of whom could
shoot past 100 yds. - within a month, what chance does Washington have
against large numbers of Iraqi insurgents?

The D.C. snipers were aided by incompetent police and were caught thanks to
a competent civillian.

Then there's the paradox of Iraq. Washington recruits for the
insurgency. Every Iraqi man bullied at gunpoint by a female GI in
front of his family at a checkpoint may never have cared either way
about the war before - but surely decides to kill a GI the next day.

First, you have to demonstrate the vast number of Iraqi men who are "bullied
at gunpoint by a female GI front of his family at a checkpoint ", eh?
-*MORT*-
.

User: "SaPeIsMa"

Title: Re: US Military = Overrated 22 Feb 2005 12:50:10 PM
<editor@netpath.net> wrote in message
news:1109097061.668063.195640@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

"Rump Ranger" wrote:

With all this talk about how the US >military is the "best trained in
the world" and can't be defeated, one >never hears the obvious

question:

If they're so effective, why is it that >150,000 of them can't get

rid

of a few thousand lightly armed >insurgents in Iraq?


Because the insurgency is much larger than Washington will admit to
- and because it refuses to fight Washington's specialty of gizmo
warfare, instead forcing Washington to fight the kind of war that
Washington's no good at (rifle warfare).
Look at those two idiot black "snipers" who tied down a full 10% of
fedcop resources for a month - and only got caught by their own
incredible greed in trying to get a stolen debit card recharged! If
Washington couldn't take on two such idiots - neither of whom could
shoot past 100 yds. - within a month, what chance does Washington have
against large numbers of Iraqi insurgents?
Then there's the paradox of Iraq. Washington recruits for the
insurgency. Every Iraqi man bullied at gunpoint by a female GI in
front of his family at a checkpoint may never have cared either way
about the war before - but surely decides to kill a GI the next day.

It's always amazing to me that idiots such as yourself imagine that the
police have a bead on every criminal in this country.
And yet, were any attemps made to turn this country into a true police
state, you would be the first to squeal like pigs being led to slaughter.
Too bad that you're not smart enough to understand the dichotomy of your
position.
.
User: "twisok"

Title: Re: US Military = Overrated 22 Feb 2005 02:32:23 PM
Best movie on how it really is with government cops is Woody Allen's
"Sleeper."
tw
www.reasontofreedom.com
.


User: "Michael Ejercito"

Title: Re: US Military = Overrated 23 Feb 2005 10:59:53 AM
wrote:

"Rump Ranger" wrote:

With all this talk about how the US >military is the "best trained

in

the world" and can't be defeated, one >never hears the obvious

question:

If they're so effective, why is it that >150,000 of them can't get

rid

of a few thousand lightly armed >insurgents in Iraq?


Because the insurgency is much larger than Washington will admit

to

- and because it refuses to fight Washington's specialty of gizmo
warfare, instead forcing Washington to fight the kind of war that
Washington's no good at (rifle warfare).

What ios stopping us from bombing the insurgency into submission?
Michael
.
User: "twisok"

Title: Re: US Military = Overrated 23 Feb 2005 04:12:30 PM
Probably there's enough depleted uranium shells already to wipe out the
population of Iraq given a few years. That will probably do in the
insurgents and we'll save a few bucks in the bargain.
http://www.reasontofreedom.com/Travel_Advisory.html
tw
.
User: "Morton Davis"

Title: Re: US Military = Overrated 23 Feb 2005 04:56:07 PM
"twisok" <tN.O-S.P_A*Mwest@reasontofreedom.com> wrote in message
news:1109196750.609803.85720@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...

Probably there's enough depleted uranium shells already to wipe out the
population of Iraq given a few years. That will probably do in the
insurgents and we'll save a few bucks in the bargain.

Y'all still trying to sell that fucking lie?
-*MORT*-
.

User: "Rump Ranger"

Title: Re: US Military = Overrated 23 Feb 2005 04:25:45 PM
twisok wrote:

Probably there's enough depleted uranium shells already to wipe out

the

population of Iraq given a few years. That will probably do in the
insurgents and we'll save a few bucks in the bargain.
http://www.reasontofreedom.com/Travel_Advisory.html

Don't travel there for at least 4.5 billion years because that's the
half life of the stuff. The US's use of DU is an illegal use of
Weapons of Mass Destruction by any standard and is a crime against
humanity and a war crime (possible genocide):
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0330-02.htm
And of course, US soldiers are also paying the price despite the
Pentagon lies that DU isn't harming them:
http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/180333p-156685c.html
http://tompaine.com/feature.cfm/ID/7570
And of course, the scientists agree:
http://www.uraniumweaponsconference.de/
http://www.umrc.net/
Anyone who thinks that the Pentagon and the DoD is credible after
reading the scientific evidence that this stuff has killed a possible
11,000 US soldiers from Gulf War I and put another 240,000 on permanent
medical disability is a fucking traitor. Even if other countries
weren't suffering (which they are), the exposure of our troops to this
stuff is nothing less than an act of treason.
.




User: "stoney"

Title: Re: US Military = Overrated 24 Feb 2005 12:03:37 PM
On 21 Feb 2005 21:47:36 -0800, "Rump Ranger" <buttpirate@fadmail.com>
wrote:

With all this talk about how the US military is the "best trained in
the world" and can't be defeated, one never hears the obvious question:
If they're so effective, why is it that 150,000 of them can't get rid
of a few thousand lightly armed insurgents in Iraq? If anything, the
movement is actually *getting larger* over there despite the US
military's best efforts. We were assured in May 2003 that "major
combat operations" were over. That was false. Then we were assured
that while there was an insurgency, it'd be gone in a few months
because all they were was "target practice" for our "well trained"
troops. Here we are nearly two years later and we're still fighting an
insurgency which grows by the day. Only one conclusion can be drawn:
our military is entirely overrated.

But don't let little things like facts get in the way of militarists
who believe civilians are "inferior" to them. They have an ego to
stroke to cover for their latent insecurity, and boy, don't they ever
self congratulate themselves despite most of it being unwarranted:

Same with Vietnam. And now ShrubCo will be invading Iran next.
[]
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
.
User: "Morton Davis"

Title: Re: US Military = Overrated 24 Feb 2005 01:36:16 PM
"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote in message
news:9m5s111a0685g83qltco6hpe1de5ptofdf@4ax.com...

On 21 Feb 2005 21:47:36 -0800, "Rump Ranger" <buttpirate@fadmail.com>
wrote:

With all this talk about how the US military is the "best trained in
the world" and can't be defeated, one never hears the obvious question:
If they're so effective, why is it that 150,000 of them can't get rid
of a few thousand lightly armed insurgents in Iraq? If anything, the
movement is actually *getting larger* over there despite the US
military's best efforts. We were assured in May 2003 that "major
combat operations" were over. That was false. Then we were assured
that while there was an insurgency, it'd be gone in a few months
because all they were was "target practice" for our "well trained"
troops. Here we are nearly two years later and we're still fighting an
insurgency which grows by the day. Only one conclusion can be drawn:
our military is entirely overrated.

But don't let little things like facts get in the way of militarists
who believe civilians are "inferior" to them. They have an ego to
stroke to cover for their latent insecurity, and boy, don't they ever
self congratulate themselves despite most of it being unwarranted:



Same with Vietnam. And now ShrubCo will be invading Iran next.

North Vietnam was armed, supplied, fed, clothed, supported by Red China and
the Soviet Union. When we pulled out, South Vietnam was attacked by the
North with everything they had. The South Vietnam military destroyed 90% of
the North's attacking force.. Then fucktard dipshits like Kennedy stripped
away all American support of South Vietnam. The North attacked again with a
much smaller force than before and won. Thanks to dipshit motherfuckers like
you.
Currently, we are not going to invade Iran.
-*MORT*-
.
User: "Howard Berkowitz"

Title: Re: US Military = Overrated 24 Feb 2005 01:59:32 PM
In article <Q0qTd.52978$4q6.51075@attbi_s01>, "Morton Davis"
<oglethorpe@oglethorpe.com> wrote:

"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote in message
news:9m5s111a0685g83qltco6hpe1de5ptofdf@4ax.com...

On 21 Feb 2005 21:47:36 -0800, "Rump Ranger" <buttpirate@fadmail.com>
wrote:

With all this talk about how the US military is the "best trained in
the world" and can't be defeated, one never hears the obvious
question:
If they're so effective, why is it that 150,000 of them can't get rid
of a few thousand lightly armed insurgents in Iraq? If anything, the
movement is actually *getting larger* over there despite the US
military's best efforts. We were assured in May 2003 that "major
combat operations" were over. That was false. Then we were assured
that while there was an insurgency, it'd be gone in a few months
because all they were was "target practice" for our "well trained"
troops. Here we are nearly two years later and we're still fighting
an
insurgency which grows by the day. Only one conclusion can be drawn:
our military is entirely overrated.

But don't let little things like facts get in the way of militarists
who believe civilians are "inferior" to them. They have an ego to
stroke to cover for their latent insecurity, and boy, don't they ever
self congratulate themselves despite most of it being unwarranted:



Same with Vietnam. And now ShrubCo will be invading Iran next.


North Vietnam was armed, supplied, fed, clothed, supported by Red China
and
the Soviet Union.

Principally the Soviet Union, but the point is taken.

When we pulled out, South Vietnam was attacked by the
North with everything they had. The South Vietnam military destroyed 90%
of
the North's attacking force..

That sounds a bit high. There were some heroic stands by SVN, but much
of the operations followed the disastrous "light at the top, heavy at
the bottom" strategy. Unfortunately, this made no provision for SVN
refugees, and the roads clogged to a halt. SVN forces trying to make a
fighting retreat often disintegrated because the road system would not
let them keep cohesion.
Then fucktard dipshits like Kennedy

stripped
away all American support of South Vietnam.

If you can discuss this coherently, and "fucktard dipshit" tends to
argue in the negative, a couple of questions:
1. Which Kennedy?
2. What was the reason for the US ground involvement in VietNam?
3. Assuming the entire NVN force was wiped out, would the SVN
government, in its existing form, held loyalty of the
population?

The North attacked again with
a
much smaller force than before and won. Thanks to dipshit motherfuckers
like
you.

In your opinion, is the US _ever_ justified in cutting its losses in an
unwinnable situation?


Currently, we are not going to invade Iran.

.
User: "Morton Davis"

Title: Re: US Military = Overrated 24 Feb 2005 02:52:10 PM
"Howard Berkowitz" <hcb@gettcomm.com> wrote in message
news:hcb-85B156.14593224022005@newsgroups.comcast.net...

In article <Q0qTd.52978$4q6.51075@attbi_s01>, "Morton Davis"
<oglethorpe@oglethorpe.com> wrote:

"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote in message
news:9m5s111a0685g83qltco6hpe1de5ptofdf@4ax.com...

On 21 Feb 2005 21:47:36 -0800, "Rump Ranger" <buttpirate@fadmail.com>
wrote:

With all this talk about how the US military is the "best trained in
the world" and can't be defeated, one never hears the obvious
question:
If they're so effective, why is it that 150,000 of them can't get

rid

of a few thousand lightly armed insurgents in Iraq? If anything, the
movement is actually *getting larger* over there despite the US
military's best efforts. We were assured in May 2003 that "major
combat operations" were over. That was false. Then we were assured
that while there was an insurgency, it'd be gone in a few months
because all they were was "target practice" for our "well trained"
troops. Here we are nearly two years later and we're still fighting
an
insurgency which grows by the day. Only one conclusion can be drawn:
our military is entirely overrated.

But don't let little things like facts get in the way of militarists
who believe civilians are "inferior" to them. They have an ego to
stroke to cover for their latent insecurity, and boy, don't they ever
self congratulate themselves despite most of it being unwarranted:



Same with Vietnam. And now ShrubCo will be invading Iran next.


North Vietnam was armed, supplied, fed, clothed, supported by Red China
and
the Soviet Union.


Principally the Soviet Union, but the point is taken.

When we pulled out, South Vietnam was attacked by the
North with everything they had. The South Vietnam military destroyed 90%
of
the North's attacking force..


That sounds a bit high. There were some heroic stands by SVN, but much
of the operations followed the disastrous "light at the top, heavy at
the bottom" strategy. Unfortunately, this made no provision for SVN
refugees, and the roads clogged to a halt. SVN forces trying to make a
fighting retreat often disintegrated because the road system would not
let them keep cohesion.


Then fucktard dipshits like Kennedy

stripped
away all American support of South Vietnam.


If you can discuss this coherently, and "fucktard dipshit" tends to
argue in the negative, a couple of questions:

1. Which Kennedy?

Teddy

2. What was the reason for the US ground involvement in VietNam?

Ask JFK.

3. Assuming the entire NVN force was wiped out, would the SVN
government, in its existing form, held loyalty of the
population?

Probably.


The North attacked again with
a
much smaller force than before and won. Thanks to dipshit motherfuckers
like
you.


In your opinion, is the US _ever_ justified in cutting its losses in an
unwinnable situation?

We weren't in an unwinnable situation anywhere but in Congress.


-*MORT*-
.
User: "Howard Berkowitz"

Title: Re: US Military = Overrated 24 Feb 2005 03:21:39 PM
In article <_7rTd.53101$4q6.3738@attbi_s01>, "Morton Davis"
<oglethorpe@oglethorpe.com> wrote:

"Howard Berkowitz" <hcb@gettcomm.com> wrote in message
news:hcb-85B156.14593224022005@newsgroups.comcast.net...

In article <Q0qTd.52978$4q6.51075@attbi_s01>, "Morton Davis"
<oglethorpe@oglethorpe.com> wrote:

"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote in message
news:9m5s111a0685g83qltco6hpe1de5ptofdf@4ax.com...

On 21 Feb 2005 21:47:36 -0800, "Rump Ranger"
<buttpirate@fadmail.com>
wrote:

With all this talk about how the US military is the "best trained
in
the world" and can't be defeated, one never hears the obvious
question:
If they're so effective, why is it that 150,000 of them can't get

rid

of a few thousand lightly armed insurgents in Iraq? If anything,
the
movement is actually *getting larger* over there despite the US
military's best efforts. We were assured in May 2003 that "major
combat operations" were over. That was false. Then we were
assured
that while there was an insurgency, it'd be gone in a few months
because all they were was "target practice" for our "well trained"
troops. Here we are nearly two years later and we're still
fighting
an
insurgency which grows by the day. Only one conclusion can be
drawn:
our military is entirely overrated.

But don't let little things like facts get in the way of
militarists
who believe civilians are "inferior" to them. They have an ego to
stroke to cover for their latent insecurity, and boy, don't they
ever
self congratulate themselves despite most of it being unwarranted:



Same with Vietnam. And now ShrubCo will be invading Iran next.


North Vietnam was armed, supplied, fed, clothed, supported by Red
China
and
the Soviet Union.


Principally the Soviet Union, but the point is taken.

When we pulled out, South Vietnam was attacked by the
North with everything they had. The South Vietnam military destroyed
90%
of
the North's attacking force..


That sounds a bit high. There were some heroic stands by SVN, but much
of the operations followed the disastrous "light at the top, heavy at
the bottom" strategy. Unfortunately, this made no provision for SVN
refugees, and the roads clogged to a halt. SVN forces trying to make a
fighting retreat often disintegrated because the road system would not
let them keep cohesion.


Then fucktard dipshits like Kennedy

stripped
away all American support of South Vietnam.


If you can discuss this coherently, and "fucktard dipshit" tends to
argue in the negative, a couple of questions:

1. Which Kennedy?

Teddy

2. What was the reason for the US ground involvement in VietNam?

Ask JFK.

3. Assuming the entire NVN force was wiped out, would the SVN
government, in its existing form, held loyalty of the
population?

Probably.


The North attacked again with
a
much smaller force than before and won. Thanks to dipshit
motherfuckers
like
you.


In your opinion, is the US _ever_ justified in cutting its losses in an
unwinnable situation?


We weren't in an unwinnable situation anywhere but in Congress.



-*MORT*-

By *MORT*, I assume you mean you refuse to discuss or clarify any of
your assertions?
.



User: "stoney"

Title: Re: US Military = Overrated 25 Feb 2005 01:57:16 PM
On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 19:36:16 GMT, "Morton Davis"
<oglethorpe@oglethorpe.com> wrote:


"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote in message
news:9m5s111a0685g83qltco6hpe1de5ptofdf@4ax.com...

On 21 Feb 2005 21:47:36 -0800, "Rump Ranger" <buttpirate@fadmail.com>
wrote:

With all this talk about how the US military is the "best trained in
the world" and can't be defeated, one never hears the obvious question:
If they're so effective, why is it that 150,000 of them can't get rid
of a few thousand lightly armed insurgents in Iraq? If anything, the
movement is actually *getting larger* over there despite the US
military's best efforts. We were assured in May 2003 that "major
combat operations" were over. That was false. Then we were assured
that while there was an insurgency, it'd be gone in a few months
because all they were was "target practice" for our "well trained"
troops. Here we are nearly two years later and we're still fighting an
insurgency which grows by the day. Only one conclusion can be drawn:
our military is entirely overrated.

But don't let little things like facts get in the way of militarists
who believe civilians are "inferior" to them. They have an ego to
stroke to cover for their latent insecurity, and boy, don't they ever
self congratulate themselves despite most of it being unwarranted:

Same with Vietnam. And now ShrubCo will be invading Iran next.

North Vietnam was armed, supplied, fed, clothed, supported by Red China and
the Soviet Union. When we pulled out, South Vietnam was attacked by the
North with everything they had. The South Vietnam military destroyed 90% of
the North's attacking force.. Then fucktard dipshits like Kennedy stripped
away all American support of South Vietnam. The North attacked again with a
much smaller force than before and won. Thanks to dipshit motherfuckers like
you.

You are a cowardly and brainless asswipe, Mort. Run along now, and
get your nappies changed and have mommy put you down for your nap.

Currently, we are not going to invade Iran.

Right. /sarcasm alert for the drooling idiot, Mort.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
.



User: ""

Title: Re: US Military = Overrated 22 Feb 2005 08:44:28 AM
On 21 Feb 2005 21:47:36 -0800, "Rump Ranger" <buttpirate@fadmail.com>
wrote:

With all this talk about how the US military is the "best trained in
the world" and can't be defeated, one never hears the obvious question:
If they're so effective, why is it that 150,000 of them can't get rid
of a few thousand lightly armed insurgents in Iraq? If anything, the
movement is actually *getting larger* over there despite the US
military's best efforts. We were assured in May 2003 that "major
combat operations" were over. That was false. Then we were assured
that while there was an insurgency, it'd be gone in a few months
because all they were was "target practice" for our "well trained"
troops. Here we are nearly two years later and we're still fighting an
insurgency which grows by the day. Only one conclusion can be drawn:
our military is entirely overrated.

Actually, this is the inevitible and (should have been) expected
result of attempting to occupy a distant foreign nation. We are
dealing with religious warriors who hate us who are not afraid to die.
Their entire culture and history has revolved around the warrior
lifestyle. When the grunts were heading for Baghdad and everyone was
pissing and moaning about all the elite Republican Guard making a to
the death stand in the city, I knew right off what would happen. They
do like they always have done: they vanish in the desert and take up
guerilla tactics. They strike back from hiding at the moment of their
choosing and vanish again. They have been doing it for thousands of
years. We are forcing them to breed and train another generation of
freedom fighters. They will fight us for another thousand years.
IT WILL NEVER END.
It will be an ongoing war of attrition until America is too sick of
sacrificing their sons for yet another war of occupation.
It will never end until we end it. And we must end it at the polls,
because the politicians and warrior caste will never end it as long as
there is money to be made. It will never end.
Never.
Hal


But don't let little things like facts get in the way of militarists
who believe civilians are "inferior" to them. They have an ego to
stroke to cover for their latent insecurity, and boy, don't they ever
self congratulate themselves despite most of it being unwarranted:

--------------------------------------------------
http://www.lewrockwell.com/roberts/roberts96.html
Bush Outfoxed By Bin Laden
by Paul Craig Roberts

President Bush's invasion has turned Iraq into a recruiting and
training ground for anti-US terrorists, according to CIA director
Porter Goss in testimony before the Senate Select Committee on
Intelligence on February 16. Goss' report was supported by Vice
Admiral Lowell Jacoby, director of the Defense Intelligence Agency.
Jacoby told the committee that "our policies in the Middle East fuel
Islamic resentment." The Iraq insurgency, Jacoby reported, has grown
"in size and complexity over the past year" with daily attacks
increasing 240%.

The situation, in other words, is out of control. 150,000 American
troops are tied down by a few thousand lightly armed insurgents. The
recent Iraq election was won by Shi'ites allied with Iran. US
casualties continue to mount, and our troops can seldom tell friend
from foe.

Why isn't Bush looking for a way out of the greatest strategic
blunder in American history? Why, instead, is Bush and his government
doing all they can to spread the conflict into Syria and Iran?

The neoconservatives' goal is the same as Osama bin Laden's - to
spread instability in the Middle East. The neocons seek to foment
instability in order to justify more US invasions in an insane quest to
remake the Middle East in the American image. Bin Laden seeks
instability in order to topple the secular rulers and recreate Islamic
rule. Bin Laden does not want US troops out. He wants to suck America
in deeper in order to create revolutionary insurgency throughout the
Middle East.

The Bush administration is moronic enough to oblige bin Laden. In a
recent 24-hour period the Bush administration made the following
mistakes:

The Bush administration blamed Syria for the recent assassination of a
former Lebanese prime minister, recalled the US ambassador to Syria,
and demanded that Syria withdraw its troops from Lebanon. In public
statements, administration officials have accused Iran of being close
to producing nuclear weapons despite all evidence to the contrary. VP
Cheney suggested that Israel bomb Iran's nuclear installations, and
President Bush said Israel had the right to preemptive attack and that
the US would support Israel.

There is no evidence that Syria is responsible for the assassination.
The International Atomic Energy Agency conducts regular inspections of
Iran's nuclear facilities and reports that there are no weapons
violations. France, Germany and Russia have reached the same
conclusion. Yet, once again the US misrepresents the facts in order to
deceive the American people and create a climate for expanding Bush's
war in the Middle East.

Despite the disaster they have caused, neoconservatives still hold the
reins of power in the Bush administration. They have made their agenda
clear: war throughout the Middle East. Their orchestrated invasion of
Iraq was merely a stepping-stone to their wider aim. The neocons seize
every opportunity to use provocative accusations, bellicose threats,
and propaganda to stir up ever more American enemies in the Middle
East. Their goal is to provoke a "Pearl Harbor," as Christopher Manion
terms it, that can be used to bring back the military draft.

This policy plays directly into bin Laden's hands. Osama has
succeeded in tricking America into spending $300 billion in an
unsuccessful act of revenge that has ruined America's reputation
while recruiting tens of thousands of recruits for bin Laden.

The neoconservatives are the greatest threat America has ever faced,
and they control the Office of the President, the Office of the Vice
President, the Department of State, the Department of Defense, and the
police state apparatus known as "Homeland Security."

The neocons have enormous propaganda resources: the entirely of
rightwing talk radio, the Weekly Standard, the Wall Street Journal, Fox
"News," National Review, the Washington Times, and numerous daily
newspapers.

Neocons have succeeded in intimidating the TV networks, National Public
Radio and CNN. The neocons cannot fully control the news, but they
abuse the offices of trust that they occupy in order to spin the news
to their purposes.

Any day now the neocons may orchestrate a scenario that will suck the
US into a wider war that America has no possibility of winning. If the
American people had the slightest sense of their danger, they would
demand immediate US withdrawal from Iraq and accountability for the
liars who orchestrated the ill-fated US invasion.

February 21, 2005

Dr. Roberts [send him mail] is John M. Olin Fellow at the Institute for
Political Economy and Research Fellow at the Independent Institute. He
is a former associate editor of the Wall Street Journal, former
contributing editor for National Review, and a former assistant
secretary of the U.S. Treasury. He is the co-author of The Tyranny of
Good Intentions.

Copyright © 2005 Creators Syndicate

.
User: "Michael Ejercito"

Title: Re: US Military = Overrated 23 Feb 2005 10:56:37 AM
wrote:

On 21 Feb 2005 21:47:36 -0800, "Rump Ranger" <buttpirate@fadmail.com>
wrote:

With all this talk about how the US military is the "best trained in
the world" and can't be defeated, one never hears the obvious

question:

If they're so effective, why is it that 150,000 of them can't get

rid

of a few thousand lightly armed insurgents in Iraq? If anything,

the

movement is actually *getting larger* over there despite the US
military's best efforts. We were assured in May 2003 that "major
combat operations" were over. That was false. Then we were assured
that while there was an insurgency, it'd be gone in a few months
because all they were was "target practice" for our "well trained"
troops. Here we are nearly two years later and we're still fighting

an

insurgency which grows by the day. Only one conclusion can be

drawn:

our military is entirely overrated.


Actually, this is the inevitible and (should have been) expected
result of attempting to occupy a distant foreign nation. We are
dealing with religious warriors who hate us who are not afraid to

die.

Their entire culture and history has revolved around the warrior
lifestyle. When the grunts were heading for Baghdad and everyone

was

pissing and moaning about all the elite Republican Guard making a to
the death stand in the city, I knew right off what would happen.

They

do like they always have done: they vanish in the desert and take up
guerilla tactics. They strike back from hiding at the moment of

their

choosing and vanish again. They have been doing it for thousands of
years. We are forcing them to breed and train another generation of
freedom fighters. They will fight us for another thousand years.

IT WILL NEVER END.

It will be an ongoing war of attrition until America is too sick of
sacrificing their sons for yet another war of occupation.

It will never end until we end it. And we must end it at the polls,
because the politicians and warrior caste will never end it as long

as

there is money to be made. It will never end.

People once thought the same thing about Japan and Germany.
Michael
.


User: "Johnny Bravo"

Title: Re: US Military = Overrated 22 Feb 2005 05:11:18 AM
On 21 Feb 2005 21:47:36 -0800, "Rump Ranger" <buttpirate@fadmail.com>
wrote:

movement is actually *getting larger* over there despite the US
military's best efforts. We were assured in May 2003 that "major
combat operations" were over. That was false.

Half a dozen guys with small arms and the occasional RPG firing on a
convoy are not a "major combat operation".
--
"The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability
of the human mind to correlate all its contents." - H.P. Lovecraft
.
User: "Rump Ranger"

Title: Re: US Military = Overrated 22 Feb 2005 07:12:45 AM
Johnny Bravo wrote:

On 21 Feb 2005 21:47:36 -0800, "Rump Ranger" <buttpirate@fadmail.com>
wrote:

movement is actually *getting larger* over there despite the US
military's best efforts. We were assured in May 2003 that "major
combat operations" were over. That was false.


Half a dozen guys with small arms and the occasional RPG firing on

a

convoy are not a "major combat operation".

If you don't think the massacre and assault on Fallujah last Novemeber
wasn't, then you're simply ignorant about military affairs.
.

User: ""

Title: Re: US Military = Overrated 22 Feb 2005 08:33:46 AM
On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 11:11:18 GMT, Johnny Bravo
<baawa_knight@yahoo.com> wrote:

On 21 Feb 2005 21:47:36 -0800, "Rump Ranger" <buttpirate@fadmail.com>
wrote:

movement is actually *getting larger* over there despite the US
military's best efforts. We were assured in May 2003 that "major
combat operations" were over. That was false.


Half a dozen guys with small arms and the occasional RPG firing on a
convoy are not a "major combat operation".

Tell that to all the guys coming home without arms and legs, or in a
box. (under cover of darkness, of course)
Hal
.
User: "Morton Davis"

Title: Re: US Military = Overrated 22 Feb 2005 02:09:45 PM
<hal@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:skgm11due4fvq2qokv9482p66m31nn4sos@4ax.com...

On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 11:11:18 GMT, Johnny Bravo
<baawa_knight@yahoo.com> wrote:

On 21 Feb 2005 21:47:36 -0800, "Rump Ranger" <buttpirate@fadmail.com>
wrote:

movement is actually *getting larger* over there despite the US
military's best efforts. We were assured in May 2003 that "major
combat operations" were over. That was false.


Half a dozen guys with small arms and the occasional RPG firing on a
convoy are not a "major combat operation".


Tell that to all the guys coming home without arms and legs, or in a
box. (under cover of darkness, of course)


What are you refering to? Major militarey operations involve thousands of
combatants in battle. What we have in Iraq are a few disgruntled Sunis at
the core of a mostly foreign batch of rag-tag idiots.
-*MORT*-
.
User: ""

Title: Re: US Military = Overrated 22 Feb 2005 02:41:31 PM
On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 20:09:45 GMT, "Morton Davis" <anitkerry@go.com>
wrote:


<hal@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:skgm11due4fvq2qokv9482p66m31nn4sos@4ax.com...

On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 11:11:18 GMT, Johnny Bravo
<baawa_knight@yahoo.com> wrote:

On 21 Feb 2005 21:47:36 -0800, "Rump Ranger" <buttpirate@fadmail.com>
wrote:

movement is actually *getting larger* over there despite the US
military's best efforts. We were assured in May 2003 that "major
combat operations" were over. That was false.


Half a dozen guys with small arms and the occasional RPG firing on a
convoy are not a "major combat operation".


Tell that to all the guys coming home without arms and legs, or in a
box. (under cover of darkness, of course)


What are you refering to? Major militarey operations involve thousands of
combatants in battle. What we have in Iraq are a few disgruntled Sunis at
the core of a mostly foreign batch of rag-tag idiots.

You probably said the same thing about Vietnam.
Look where that got us.
Hal


-*MORT*-

.
User: "Morton Davis"

Title: Re: US Military = Overrated 22 Feb 2005 07:13:00 PM
<hal@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:976n119a2ns1ckc5snsiltfci639ia3sah@4ax.com...

On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 20:09:45 GMT, "Morton Davis" <anitkerry@go.com>
wrote:


<hal@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:skgm11due4fvq2qokv9482p66m31nn4sos@4ax.com...

On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 11:11:18 GMT, Johnny Bravo
<baawa_knight@yahoo.com> wrote:

On 21 Feb 2005 21:47:36 -0800, "Rump Ranger" <buttpirate@fadmail.com>
wrote:

movement is actually *getting larger* over there despite the US
military's best efforts. We were assured in May 2003 that "major
combat operations" were over. That was false.


Half a dozen guys with small arms and the occasional RPG firing on a
convoy are not a "major combat operation".


Tell that to all the guys coming home without arms and legs, or in a
box. (under cover of darkness, of course)


What are you refering to? Major militarey operations involve thousands of
combatants in battle. What we have in Iraq are a few disgruntled Sunis at
the core of a mostly foreign batch of rag-tag idiots.


You probably said the same thing about Vietnam.

Look where that got us.

Actually, North Vietnnam was backed, armed and supplied by China. After we
left, the North attacked with everything they had and, backed, armed and
supplied by America, the South stomped the ***** out of them. Then Senator
Teddy Kennedy and the rest of the LIEberals stripped American support from
the South and let them hng out to dry. The North attacked with a
significantly smaller force and won. Thanks to people like Ted Kennedy, John
Kerry, Jane Fonda and shitheads like you.
-*MORT*-
.



User: "Omega"

Title: Re: US Military = Overrated 06 Mar 2005 01:00:08 PM
: >>movement is actually *getting larger* over there despite the US
: >>military's best efforts. We were assured in May 2003 that "major
: >>combat operations" were over. That was false.
: >
: > Half a dozen guys with small arms and the occasional RPG firing on a
: >convoy are not a "major combat operation".
:
: Tell that to all the guys coming home without arms and legs, or in a
: box. (under cover of darkness, of course)
:
: Hal
And compared to WW2 where there was 500 deaths a day?
We are doing the best that we can do, far better than you or the democrats
could have. This is not Vietnam, it is not WW2. The troops are better
educated, better trained than any force in the history of the world.
What you dislike is having to see the war on TV every night. Welcome to
reality....
.
User: "Felix D."

Title: Re: US Military = Overrated 08 Mar 2005 10:39:01 PM
"Omega" <2121(d)@insightbb.com> wrote in message
news:YqIWd.99790$4q6.58692@attbi_s01...



: >>movement is actually *getting larger* over there despite the US
: >>military's best efforts. We were assured in May 2003 that "major
: >>combat operations" were over. That was false.
: >
: > Half a dozen guys with small arms and the occasional RPG firing on a
: >convoy are not a "major combat operation".
:
: Tell that to all the guys coming home without arms and legs, or in a
: box. (under cover of darkness, of course)
:
: Hal

And compared to WW2 where there was 500 deaths a day?
We are doing the best that we can do, far better than you or the democrats
could have. This is not Vietnam, it is not WW2. The troops are better
educated, better trained than any force in the history of the world.

What you dislike is having to see the war on TV every night. Welcome to
reality....

What he really dislikes is that America is right.
.
User: "Rump Ranger"

Title: Re: US Military = Overrated 09 Mar 2005 04:01:31 PM
Felix D. wrote:

"Omega" <2121(d)@insightbb.com> wrote in message
news:YqIWd.99790$4q6.58692@attbi_s01...



: >>movement is actually *getting larger* over there despite the US
: >>military's best efforts. We were assured in May 2003 that

"major

: >>combat operations" were over. That was false.
: >
: > Half a dozen guys with small arms and the occasional RPG

firing on a

: >convoy are not a "major combat operation".
:
: Tell that to all the guys coming home without arms and legs, or

in a

: box. (under cover of darkness, of course)
:
: Hal

And compared to WW2 where there was 500 deaths a day?
We are doing the best that we can do, far better than you or the

democrats

could have. This is not Vietnam, it is not WW2. The troops are

better

educated, better trained than any force in the history of the

world.


What you dislike is having to see the war on TV every night.

Welcome to

reality....


What he really dislikes is that America is right.

Yes, America is terribly right wing. And that's why chickenhawks like
you and omega think war is cool while sitting at home.
.
User: "Morton Davis"

Title: Re: US Military = Overrated 10 Mar 2005 07:58:28 AM
"Rump Ranger" <buttpirate@fadmail.com> wrote in message
news:1110405691.907763.189820@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...


Felix D. wrote:

"Omega" <2121(d)@insightbb.com> wrote in message
news:YqIWd.99790$4q6.58692@attbi_s01...



: >>movement is actually *getting larger* over there despite the US
: >>military's best efforts. We were assured in May 2003 that

"major

: >>combat operations" were over. That was false.
: >
: > Half a dozen guys with small arms and the occasional RPG

firing on a

: >convoy are not a "major combat operation".
:
: Tell that to all the guys coming home without arms and legs, or

in a

: box. (under cover of darkness, of course)
:
: Hal

And compared to WW2 where there was 500 deaths a day?
We are doing the best that we can do, far better than you or the

democrats

could have. This is not Vietnam, it is not WW2. The troops are

better

educated, better trained than any force in the history of the

world.


What you dislike is having to see the war on TV every night.

Welcome to

reality....


What he really dislikes is that America is right.


Yes, America is terribly right wing. And that's why chickenhawks like
you and omega think war is cool while sitting at home.

Only FUCKTARDS like yu think that way.
<plonk>
.
User: "Rump Ranger"

Title: Re: US Military = Overrated 11 Mar 2005 05:37:16 PM
Morton Davis wrote:

"Rump Ranger" <buttpirate@fadmail.com> wrote in message
news:1110405691.907763.189820@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...


Felix D. wrote:

"Omega" <2121(d)@insightbb.com> wrote in message
news:YqIWd.99790$4q6.58692@attbi_s01...



: >>movement is actually *getting larger* over there despite

the US

: >>military's best efforts. We were assured in May 2003 that

"major

: >>combat operations" were over. That was false.
: >
: > Half a dozen guys with small arms and the occasional RPG

firing on a

: >convoy are not a "major combat operation".
:
: Tell that to all the guys coming home without arms and legs,

or

in a

: box. (under cover of darkness, of course)
:
: Hal

And compared to WW2 where there was 500 deaths a day?
We are doing the best that we can do, far better than you or

the

democrats

could have. This is not Vietnam, it is not WW2. The troops

are

better

educated, better trained than any force in the history of the

world.


What you dislike is having to see the war on TV every night.

Welcome to

reality....


What he really dislikes is that America is right.


Yes, America is terribly right wing. And that's why chickenhawks

like

you and omega think war is cool while sitting at home.

Only FUCKTARDS like yu think that way.

I know you are, but what am I?

<plonk>

Good riddance, *****.
.
User: "Tank Fixer"

Title: Re: US Military = Overrated 13 Mar 2005 07:21:42 PM
In article <1110584236.921550.32570@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
on 11 Mar 2005 15:37:16 -0800,
Rump Ranger
attempted to say .....

but what am I?

A boy.
--
When dealing with propaganda terminology one sometimes always speaks in
variable absolutes. This is not to be mistaken for an unbiased slant.
.
User: "Rump Ranger"

Title: Re: US Military = Overrated 14 Mar 2005 01:51:12 AM
Tank Fixer wrote:

In article <1110584236.921550.32570@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
on 11 Mar 2005 15:37:16 -0800,
Rump Ranger

attempted to say .....

but what am I?


A boy.

I know you are, but what am I?
.
User: "Omega"

Title: Re: US Military = Overrated 16 Mar 2005 05:57:37 PM
"Rump Ranger" <
> wrote in message
news:1110786672.289721.128560@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
:
: Tank Fixer wrote:
: > In article <1110584236.921550.32570@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
: > on 11 Mar 2005 15:37:16 -0800,
: > Rump Ranger
attempted to say .....
: >
: > > but what am I?
: >
: > A boy.
: >
:
: I know you are, but what am I?
:
A parrot?
.











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