In article <4s04qvk9grmaeaklu2dh9ialp70i22n938@4ax.com>, John W
<john_weatherly47<no>@yahoo.com> says...

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On Fri, 31 Oct 2003 09:30:46 +1000, "I Lost Three Claytons In Three
Weeks With Atheislim!" <cjfat@SPAMBLOCKoptusnet.com.au> wrote:

"quibbler" <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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In article <-oKdnXTCX8CXiT2iRVn-iQ@intertex.net>,

Democrats murder over 27,000

No, abortion is legal, so it can't be murder by definition.

So.... what you are saying is that all the niggers

Ummm....dude...you ain't supposed to use that term unless you're black.

in the deep south
who were killed for being niggers

I highly doubt that very expensive slaves were killed for no reason.
I'm sure many were punished and killed for bad reasons, bound up in the
racist mentality of the slave owning class. However, the fact that
these southern laws were evil and wrong does not change the fact that
the laws existed.

before the Emancipation Proclamation
and the South lost the war, were NOT murdered

Killing can still be wrong without being murder. Murder is
specifically and legally defined, however,

definition purely on account of your feelings. If you're going to use
legally defined terms then use them properly.

; after all, they were
legally property,

They were acknowledged to be more than property by a variety of
agreements, including the 3/5th compromise. However, decisions like
Dredd Scott established that owners could have property interests in
slaves. Abortion has nothing to do with property, however. There are
many bad laws, but abortion is not one of them. It's not even a law
it's a matter of privacy rights. So please don't indulge in any more
legal red herrings.

and they were ONLY niggers. Correct? And since they
were property, it was legal to kill them.

It depends upon how a society regulates property laws. A person ought
to be able to own his own body. Yet one cannot legally kill oneself,
consume prohibited substances, etc.

In fact, when I was about 7 or 8, I got to watch my grandfather in
South Carolina beat his ***** man-servant with a cane (called
"caning") merely because he tripped and fell, and the *****
man-servant grabbed my 80 year old grandfather's arm to keep him from
falling on his face. My grandfather went into a blind rage (this after
church) and told the *****, "next time you touch me, I'll kill you,
you goddamned *****!" (we had just returned from church).

My, what a charming family you had.

(I hope you all understand I just said what I said (the "n" word)
purely for shock value.)

I'm well aware that you consistently used it for some desired effect or
another. As to whether it's shocking or not is a different story.

OTOH, the

people killed in Iraq were not microscopic blastocysts or barely
conscious fetuses. Unlike fetuses, Iraqis were not growing inside
George Bush's uterus against his will. When George Bush wanted to
murder Iraqis in an illegal, unilateral war of aggression he didn't
think twice (or even once) about it.

Who says our war with Iraq is illegal?

Any unprovoked attack is an illegal war of aggression under
international law.

illegal under international law.

the US have been shown,

considered causis belli under many international convention to which
the US is a signatory.

obligations, which again is illegal, since the UN Charter has been
formally ratified by the government of the United States.

Nor is it unilateral.

It was unilateral because it was not adopted through international
consensus in legitimate organizations like the UN

"allies" were bribed to provide token participation and many others
were threatened and intimidated, invalidating the claim of willing
participation. Without the actions of the illegitimate awol traitor
president, the war would not have happened, making bush's actions
unilateral.

We have
just proved that, as usual, Europe is a continent of cowards. They
refused to even defend themselves against Hitler.

You've just proven yourself to an extreme historical ignoramus.

Bush chose to not wait until Saddam attacked Europe.

Iraq has never attacked Europe and all credible evidence now suggests
that he never would have or could have.

He had defied the
UN's demands to disarm for 12 years

No he did not. He was substantially disarmed by the UN.

will always be possible to claim that he's hiding something somewhere.
It is a fallacious argument from ignorance to claim that because we
don't know that he has entirely disarmed that we are justified in
asserting that he must be a threat.

, and he's been steadily murdering
his own people merely to test his weapons.

Again, you don't know what the ***** you are talking about. The US
provided saddam with a great many weapons, including potentially
chemical precursors, technical know-how and access to delivery
technologies in order for him to fight our proxy war with Iran.
Rumsfeld was personally involved with this and both he and the Reagan
administration covered up Saddam's actions in the Al Fao peninsular
campaign. They also covered up Halabja until it became convenient as
propaganda.

I guess you believe it's
ok if Saddam does it.

You make moronic assertions without justification, as usual.

And we did not go to conquer.

Not true. Both gulf wars were about conquering Iraq, at least to the
extent of subjugating them to our will.

We went to liberate.

That must be why no democratic government exists in Iraq yet.

And Iraq is being
rebuilt.

Yeah, were rebuilding some of what we destroyed, so that we can extract
oil revenues. That's really fucking noble.

The only reason you don't hear all the positive stories

Oh, come on you brainwashed fool. You don't honestly expect to play
that *****. I'm sure there are positive things and we do hear them,
in fact constantly from cheerleaders like Rummy and Bremer and Bush.
However, if you had even a little bit of education about journalism
then you would know that bad news always gets a lot of attention. You
don't see headlines says, "Everything's great today" in just about any
newspaper, foreign or domestic. Modern journalism pretty much always
leads with the bad news and there is nothing biased about that at all.
Only a moron like yourself or bush would fail to understand that.

(as
we re-build the infra-structure) is that it's an election year, and
the media are NOTORIOUSLY Left wing.

No, moron, you are quite wrong. Many media organizations are owned by
far right-wing organizations or conservative corporate interests. It
is a documented fact. You're leftist conspiracy theories are not
actually supported by facts as people like William Domhoff have
consistently proven. Certainly Fox is right-wing and heavily follows
the conservative agendas laid down by Roger Ailes in every report. But
even they don't can report the meager positive side in Iraq. You just
can't handle the truth because you are a rightwing zealot.

He just did it, completely

destroying his so-called right-to-life position.

Lie, mr/ms Al-Quaida.

It's not a lie. Bush's illegal rush to war undermines his claims to be
pro-life. Surely a person who believed in the sanctity of human life
would have found ways to get rid of saddam without inflicting so many
casualties. Furthermore, if Bush was interested in liberation then he
would be out of Iraq by now.

"Right to lie" would

be a more accurate position.

And you do not consider Bill Clinton one of the worst liars

Clinton certainly told some lies. However, his lies were far more
innocuous.

and
murderers

You have no evidence whatsoever that Clinton murdered anyone.

who ever occupied the Oval Office?

You are obviously quite ignorant and misinformed.

It is Clinton, after all,
who signed the PBA into law,

No, clinton vetoed the partial birth abortion legislation.

the law the President just repealed.

Bush signed an unconstitutional act which is inconsistent with supreme
court precedent and will be struck down.

That is, after all what xianity is...the

belief that it's right to lie for gawd.

And now that you deliberately offend God

How the ***** would you know, you raving looney tune ?

, I stop here.

Nice cop out you pathetic, mentally deficient loser. Now ***** and
die.

Come back when
you can find some respect for others' faith.

I have no respect for you or your moronic faith and I never will. I
will continue to exercise my constitutional rights and you can go *****
yourself if you don't like that.