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01 Feb 2006 01:01:44 PM |
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US Papers too squeamish? |
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060201/ap_on_re_eu/prophet_drawings
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| User: "J Forbes" |
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| Title: Re: US Papers too squeamish? |
01 Feb 2006 01:42:50 PM |
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Dave wrote:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060201/ap_on_re_eu/prophet_drawings
from the article:
"French theologian Sohaib Bencheikh spoke out against the pictures in a
column in France Soir accompanying them Wednesday.
"One must find the borders between freedom of expression and freedom to
protect the sacred," he wrote. "Unfortunately, the West has lost its
sense of the sacred." "
Perhaps the West has a different concept of what's sacred...such as
freedom.
Jim
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| User: "wbarwell" |
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| Title: Re: US Papers too squeamish? |
01 Feb 2006 02:35:44 PM |
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J Forbes wrote:
Dave wrote:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060201/ap_on_re_eu/prophet_drawings
from the article:
"French theologian Sohaib Bencheikh spoke out against the pictures in a
column in France Soir accompanying them Wednesday.
"One must find the borders between freedom of expression and freedom to
protect the sacred," he wrote. "Unfortunately, the West has lost its
sense of the sacred." "
Perhaps the West has a different concept of what's sacred...such as
freedom.
The first law of the false prophet has always and ever been, "Don't
laugh!".
Sacred is another word for A fraud you are not allowed to laugh at.
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The first law of the false prophet has
always and ever been "Don't laugh!"
Cheerful Charlie
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: US Papers too squeamish? |
03 Feb 2006 01:51:08 PM |
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On 1 Feb 2006 11:42:50 -0800, "J Forbes" <jforbspam@fastmail.fm> wrote
in alt.atheism
Dave wrote:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060201/ap_on_re_eu/prophet_drawings
from the article:
"French theologian Sohaib Bencheikh spoke out against the pictures in a
column in France Soir accompanying them Wednesday.
"One must find the borders between freedom of expression and freedom to
protect the sacred," he wrote. "Unfortunately, the West has lost its
sense of the sacred." "
Perhaps the West has a different concept of what's sacred...such as
freedom.
The Muslims have yet to come out of their caves.
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Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a cornucopia of splinters.
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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| Title: Re: US Papers too squeamish? |
01 Feb 2006 02:53:29 PM |
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Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet J Forbes
(jforbspam@fastmail.fm) made the light shine upon us with this:
Dave wrote:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060201/ap_on_re_eu/prophet_drawings
from the article:
"French theologian Sohaib Bencheikh spoke out against the pictures in a
column in France Soir accompanying them Wednesday.
"One must find the borders between freedom of expression and freedom to
protect the sacred," he wrote. "Unfortunately, the West has lost its
sense of the sacred." "
He obviously hasn't been to Texas.
Perhaps the West has a different concept of what's sacred...such as
freedom.
Jim
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Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011, aw Hellboy #5
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: US Papers too squeamish? |
01 Feb 2006 09:28:35 PM |
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In <1138818896.427827.182500@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "Dave"
<galt_57@hotmail.com> wrote:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060201/ap_on_re_eu/prophet_drawings
Or maybe you should be asking:
"USers aware there's a world outside their borders?"
(We're real bad about the self-involved thing)
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Mark K. Bilbo
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| User: "stoney" |
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03 Feb 2006 01:50:38 PM |
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On 1 Feb 2006 11:01:44 -0800, "Dave" <galt_57@hotmail.com> wrote in
alt.atheism
US Papers have no backbone.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060201/ap_on_re_eu/prophet_drawings
Papers Republish Controversial Cartoons
By ANGELA CHARLTON, Associated Press Writer Wed Feb 1, 5:35 PM ET
PARIS - French and German newspapers republished caricatures of the
Prophet Muhammad on Wednesday in what they called a defense of freedom
of expression, sparking fresh anger from Muslims.
The drawings have divided opinion within Europe and the Middle East
since a Danish newspaper first printed them in September. Islamic
tradition bars any depiction of the prophet to prevent idolatry.
The cartoons include an image of Muhammad wearing a turban shaped as a
bomb with a burning fuse and another portraying him holding a sword, his
eyes covered by a black rectangle.
The front page of the daily France Soir on Wednesday carried the
headline "Yes, We Have the Right to Caricature God" along with a cartoon
of Buddhist, Jewish, Muslim and Christian gods floating on a cloud.
Inside, the paper reran the Danish drawings.
Germany's Die Welt daily printed one of the drawings on its front page,
arguing that a "right to blasphemy" was anchored in democratic freedoms.
The Berliner Zeitung daily printed two of the caricatures as part of its
coverage of the controversy.
Italy's La Stampa printed a small version of the offending caricature,
on page 13. Two Spanish papers, Barcelona's El Periodico and Madrid's El
Mundo, also carried the photos.
The decision by French Soir drew a stern but measured reaction from the
government.
"Press liberties which French authorities defend everywhere in the world
cannot be questioned. However, this has to be done within the spirit of
tolerance and the respect of faiths and religions," said French Foreign
Minister FM Philippe Douste-Blazy during a visit to Ankara, Turkey.
It is unusual for the Foreign Ministry to comment on the contents of
French publications, but the issue is sensitive at home. France has
Western Europe's largest Muslim community with an estimated 5 million
people.
France Soir, which is owned by an Egyptian magnate and has struggled to
attract readers, justified its decision.
"The appearance of the 12 drawings in the Danish press provoked emotions
in the Muslim world because the representation of Allah and his prophet
is forbidden. But because no religious dogma can impose itself on a
democratic and secular society, France Soir is publishing the
incriminating caricatures," the paper said.
The Danish daily Jyllands-Posten originally published the cartoons after
asking artists to depict Islam's prophet to challenge what it perceived
was self-censorship among artists dealing with Islamic issues. A
Norwegian newspaper reprinted the images earlier this month.
Angered by the drawings, masked Palestinian gunmen briefly took over a
European Union office in Gaza on Monday.
Syria called for the offenders to be punished. Danish goods were swept
from shelves in many countries, and Saudi Arabia and Libya recalled
their ambassadors to Denmark.
The Jyllands-Posten — which received a bomb threat over the drawings —
has apologized for hurting Muslims' feelings but not for publishing the
cartoons. Its editor said Wednesday, however, that he would not have
printed the drawings had he foreseen the consequences.
Carsten Juste also said the international furor amounted to a victory
for opponents of free expression.
"Those who have won are dictatorships in the Middle East, in Saudi
Arabia, where they cut criminals' hands and give women no rights," Juste
told The Associated Press. "The dark dictatorships have won."
Demonstrations and condemnations across the Muslim world continued.
Syria on Wednesday recalled its ambassador to Denmark for consultations
over the drawings, Syria's official SANA news agency said, and the
Supreme Council of Moroccan religious leaders, led by Morocco's King
Mohammed VI, denounced the drawings.
An anonymous caller told the Danish embassy in Syria that there was a
bomb in the ambassador's office. The building was evacuated, but no bomb
was found.
In Turkey, dozens of protesters from a small Islamic party staged a
demonstration in front of the Danish Embassy. About 200 riot police
watched the crowd from the Felicity Party.
A Norwegian official visiting Beirut, Lebanon, said the drawings
encouraged distrust between people of different faiths.
"This is unfortunate and regrettable," Norway's deputy state secretary
for foreign affairs, Raymond Johansen, said.
There was also anger in France.
Mohammed Bechari, president of the National Federation of the Muslims of
France, said his group would start legal proceedings against France Soir
because of "these pictures that have disturbed us, and that are still
hurting the feelings of 1.2 billion Muslims."
© 2006 Associated Press
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Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a cornucopia of splinters.
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