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22 Sep 2005 06:58:10 AM |
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U.S. Says China Must Address Its Intentions |
U.S. Says China Must Address Its Intentions
How Its Power Will Be Used Is of Concern
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/21/AR2005092101912_pf.html
By Glenn Kessler
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, September 22, 2005; A16
Deputy Secretary of State Robert B. Zoellick bluntly warned China last
night that it must begin to take concrete steps to address what he
called a "a cauldron of anxiety" in the United States and other parts
of the world about Chinese intentions.
Zoellick, delivering the administration's most comprehensive statement
on its dealings with China, said the United States has worked hard to
bring China into the international system over the past three decades.
Now, he said, the United States will focus on ensuring that China
becomes a responsible player on the world stage.
Robert Zoellick
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/e3c5c17403e0b16d
China
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/d3294ecc38a6a57d
China / Meiguo
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/772524fe8bf033d4
Is the wakening giant a monster?
http://tinyurl.com/iws6
A Blueprint for the Future
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/59c28cd6dfe6f60f
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| User: "Goodness Godless" |
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22 Sep 2005 08:52:10 AM |
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"maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1127390290.106191.235530@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
U.S. Says China Must Address Its Intentions
How Its Power Will Be Used Is of Concern
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/21/AR2005092101912_pf.html
By Glenn Kessler
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, September 22, 2005; A16
Deputy Secretary of State Robert B. Zoellick bluntly warned China last
night that it must begin to take concrete steps to address what he
called a "a cauldron of anxiety" in the United States and other parts
of the world about Chinese intentions.
Zoellick, delivering the administration's most comprehensive statement
on its dealings with China, said the United States has worked hard to
bring China into the international system over the past three decades.
Now, he said, the United States will focus on ensuring that China
becomes a responsible player on the world stage.
somehow, I think, China has been a much more responsible player in the
last few years than 'God's Own Country'. But then China does not let
faciest anywhere near their government!
Robert Zoellick
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/e3c5c17403e0b16d
China
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/d3294ecc38a6a57d
China / Meiguo
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/772524fe8bf033d4
Is the wakening giant a monster?
http://tinyurl.com/iws6
A Blueprint for the Future
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/59c28cd6dfe6f60f
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| User: "ltlee1" |
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| Title: Re: U.S. Says China Must Address Its Intentions |
22 Sep 2005 05:49:43 PM |
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Goodness Godless wrote:
"maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1127390290.106191.235530@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
U.S. Says China Must Address Its Intentions
How Its Power Will Be Used Is of Concern
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/21/AR2005092101912_pf.html
By Glenn Kessler
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, September 22, 2005; A16
Deputy Secretary of State Robert B. Zoellick bluntly warned China last
night that it must begin to take concrete steps to address what he
called a "a cauldron of anxiety" in the United States and other parts
of the world about Chinese intentions.
Zoellick, delivering the administration's most comprehensive statement
on its dealings with China, said the United States has worked hard to
bring China into the international system over the past three decades.
Now, he said, the United States will focus on ensuring that China
becomes a responsible player on the world stage.
somehow, I think, China has been a much more responsible player in the
last few years than 'God's Own Country'. But then China does not let
faciest anywhere near their government!
"We have many common interests with China," Zoellick said. "But
relationships built only on a coincidence of interests have shallow
roots. Relationships built on shared interests and shared values are
deep and lasting."
I wonder what shared value entails.
For example, America allows neonazi running around preaching white
supremacy. Must China accept that kind of value too?
Robert Zoellick
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/e3c5c17403e0b16d
China
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/d3294ecc38a6a57d
China / Meiguo
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/772524fe8bf033d4
Is the wakening giant a monster?
http://tinyurl.com/iws6
A Blueprint for the Future
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/59c28cd6dfe6f60f
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| User: "" |
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22 Sep 2005 11:19:35 PM |
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ltlee1 wrote:
Goodness Godless wrote:
"maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1127390290.106191.235530@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
U.S. Says China Must Address Its Intentions
How Its Power Will Be Used Is of Concern
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/21/AR2005092101912_pf.html
By Glenn Kessler
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, September 22, 2005; A16
Deputy Secretary of State Robert B. Zoellick bluntly warned China last
night that it must begin to take concrete steps to address what he
called a "a cauldron of anxiety" in the United States and other parts
of the world about Chinese intentions.
Zoellick, delivering the administration's most comprehensive statement
on its dealings with China, said the United States has worked hard to
bring China into the international system over the past three decades.
Now, he said, the United States will focus on ensuring that China
becomes a responsible player on the world stage.
somehow, I think, China has been a much more responsible player in the
last few years than 'God's Own Country'. But then China does not let
faciest anywhere near their government!
"We have many common interests with China," Zoellick said. "But
relationships built only on a coincidence of interests have shallow
roots. Relationships built on shared interests and shared values are
deep and lasting."
I wonder what shared value entails.
Well, I guess we know who the new Bush regime China pitbull is, after
Bolton barked and snarled his way to UN embassadorship. I guess Mr.
Zoellick will offer a complete accounting of US military budget
(including the "black budget" which is state secret) to China, since
he's made such demand of China?
For example, America allows neonazi running around preaching white
supremacy. Must China accept that kind of value too?
Robert Zoellick
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/e3c5c17403e0b16d
China
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/d3294ecc38a6a57d
China / Meiguo
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/772524fe8bf033d4
Is the wakening giant a monster?
http://tinyurl.com/iws6
A Blueprint for the Future
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/59c28cd6dfe6f60f
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| User: "lechergod" |
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| Title: Re: U.S. Says China Must Address Its Intentions |
23 Sep 2005 07:00:55 AM |
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sounds mysterious !!!!
for 80 years since CCP inaugurated,
the telling of such lies is manufactured every now and then.
this communist dog is still using such line of action
by guessing.
charles_liu@my-deja.com wrote:
Well, I guess we know who the new Bush regime China pitbull is, after
Bolton barked and snarled his way to UN embassadorship. I guess Mr.
Zoellick will offer a complete accounting of US military budget
(including the "black budget" which is state secret) to China, since
he's made such demand of China?
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| User: "epod" |
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23 Sep 2005 08:04:20 AM |
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lechergod" <lechergod@yahoo.com is an evil buster and son of the *****.
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22 Sep 2005 08:23:38 PM |
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ltlee1 wrote:
Goodness Godless wrote:
"maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1127390290.106191.235530@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
U.S. Says China Must Address Its Intentions
How Its Power Will Be Used Is of Concern
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/21/AR2005092101912_pf.html
By Glenn Kessler
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, September 22, 2005; A16
Deputy Secretary of State Robert B. Zoellick bluntly warned China last
night that it must begin to take concrete steps to address what he
called a "a cauldron of anxiety" in the United States and other parts
of the world about Chinese intentions.
Zoellick, delivering the administration's most comprehensive statement
on its dealings with China, said the United States has worked hard to
bring China into the international system over the past three decades.
Now, he said, the United States will focus on ensuring that China
becomes a responsible player on the world stage.
somehow, I think, China has been a much more responsible player in the
last few years than 'God's Own Country'. But then China does not let
faciest anywhere near their government!
"We have many common interests with China," Zoellick said. "But
relationships built only on a coincidence of interests have shallow
roots. Relationships built on shared interests and shared values are
deep and lasting."
I wonder what shared value entails.
For example, America allows neonazi running around preaching white
supremacy. Must China accept that kind of value too?
CCP value lets niece of leader (Deng Xiaoping) steal $100 million, and
then put the person (James Peng) she stole it from in prison:
High stake swindle: Aussie wins
http://www.smh.com.au/news/Business/China-court-win-at-last-for-Peng/2004/12/05/1102182156357.html
Niece of Deng Xiaoping is still "running around" with $100 million.
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If Bush's nephew breaks the law he is arrested:
President Bush's Nephew Arrested
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/09/16/national/main856301.shtml
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| User: "" |
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22 Sep 2005 11:12:10 PM |
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wrote:
ltlee1 wrote:
Goodness Godless wrote:
"maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1127390290.106191.235530@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
U.S. Says China Must Address Its Intentions
How Its Power Will Be Used Is of Concern
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/21/AR2005092101912_pf.html
By Glenn Kessler
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, September 22, 2005; A16
Deputy Secretary of State Robert B. Zoellick bluntly warned China last
night that it must begin to take concrete steps to address what he
called a "a cauldron of anxiety" in the United States and other parts
of the world about Chinese intentions.
Zoellick, delivering the administration's most comprehensive statement
on its dealings with China, said the United States has worked hard to
bring China into the international system over the past three decades.
Now, he said, the United States will focus on ensuring that China
becomes a responsible player on the world stage.
somehow, I think, China has been a much more responsible player in the
last few years than 'God's Own Country'. But then China does not let
faciest anywhere near their government!
"We have many common interests with China," Zoellick said. "But
relationships built only on a coincidence of interests have shallow
roots. Relationships built on shared interests and shared values are
deep and lasting."
I wonder what shared value entails.
For example, America allows neonazi running around preaching white
supremacy. Must China accept that kind of value too?
CCP value lets niece of leader (Deng Xiaoping) steal $100 million,
100 million is chump change. Bush family and their Big Texas Oil
friends can weild military power to invade countries to reap billions
and billions of oil profits, and here's the kicker - it's legal.
and
then put the person (James Peng) she stole it from in prison:
High stake swindle: Aussie wins
http://www.smh.com.au/news/Business/China-court-win-at-last-for-Peng/2004/12/05/1102182156357.html
Niece of Deng Xiaoping is still "running around" with $100 million.
----------
If Bush's nephew breaks the law he is arrested:
President Bush's Nephew Arrested
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/09/16/national/main856301.shtml
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| User: "Jim Walsh" |
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23 Sep 2005 01:34:44 AM |
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On Thu, 22 Sep 2005 21:12:10 -0700, charles_liu thought carefully and
wrote:
demoris...@aol.com wrote:
CCP value lets niece of leader (Deng Xiaoping) steal $100 million,
100 million is chump change.
And so does Charles Liu.
I wonder what limit Mr. Liu would put. Is it OK for the neice of a leader
to steal $1 billion? $10 billion?
How much does she have to steal before Mr. Liu says, "Enough!"
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Love, Jim
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| User: "lechergod" |
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23 Sep 2005 06:56:33 AM |
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this communist dog confess the eveilness of communist
and speak out the difference between democracy and communism.
in communism, [steal] such lawbreaking is glory.
in democracy, legal profit is what persueing.
charles_liu@my-deja.com wrote:
CCP value lets niece of leader (Deng Xiaoping) steal $100 million,
100 million is chump change. Bush family and their Big Texas Oil
friends can weild military power to invade countries to reap billions
and billions of oil profits, and here's the kicker - it's legal.
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| User: "Yu" |
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23 Sep 2005 02:46:45 AM |
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wrote:
ltlee1 wrote:
Goodness Godless wrote:
"maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1127390290.106191.235530@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
U.S. Says China Must Address Its Intentions
How Its Power Will Be Used Is of Concern
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/21/AR2005092101912_pf.html
By Glenn Kessler
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, September 22, 2005; A16
Deputy Secretary of State Robert B. Zoellick bluntly warned China last
night that it must begin to take concrete steps to address what he
called a "a cauldron of anxiety" in the United States and other parts
of the world about Chinese intentions.
Zoellick, delivering the administration's most comprehensive statement
on its dealings with China, said the United States has worked hard to
bring China into the international system over the past three decades.
Now, he said, the United States will focus on ensuring that China
becomes a responsible player on the world stage.
somehow, I think, China has been a much more responsible player in the
last few years than 'God's Own Country'. But then China does not let
faciest anywhere near their government!
"We have many common interests with China," Zoellick said. "But
relationships built only on a coincidence of interests have shallow
roots. Relationships built on shared interests and shared values are
deep and lasting."
I wonder what shared value entails.
For example, America allows neonazi running around preaching white
supremacy. Must China accept that kind of value too?
CCP value lets niece of leader (Deng Xiaoping) steal $100 million, and
then put the person (James Peng) she stole it from in prison:
High stake swindle: Aussie wins
http://www.smh.com.au/news/Business/China-court-win-at-last-for-Peng/2004/12/05/1102182156357.html
Niece of Deng Xiaoping is still "running around" with $100 million.
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It looks like a very complicated business deal that went sour.
Just because one party is related to Deng it has become convinient to
pin the blame on Deng Xiao ping.
Jame Peng had wanted to strike up a relation of Deng's neice to gain
unfair advantage in China. Like many people getting conned they are
greedy and dishonest to start with. Who knows what went on between the
two parties?
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| User: "Jim Walsh" |
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23 Sep 2005 03:32:31 AM |
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On Fri, 23 Sep 2005 00:46:45 -0700, Yu thought carefully and wrote:
demoris...@aol.com wrote:
High stake swindle: Aussie wins
http://www.smh.com.au/news/Business/China-court-win-at-last-for-Peng/2004/12/05/1102182156357.html
Niece of Deng Xiaoping is still "running around" with $100 million.
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It looks like a very complicated business deal that went sour. Just
because one party is related to Deng it has become convinient to pin the
blame on Deng Xiao ping.
Jame Peng had wanted to strike up a relation of Deng's neice to gain
unfair advantage in China.
Thanks for admitting that a joint venture with a CCP member gives an
unfair advantage.
Like many people getting conned they are greedy and dishonest to start
with. Who knows what went on between the two parties?
How about you? Do you want to know what happened to the money? Do you want
an investigation?
--
Love, Jim
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| User: "Yu" |
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23 Sep 2005 06:55:30 AM |
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Jim Walsh wrote:
On Fri, 23 Sep 2005 00:46:45 -0700, Yu thought carefully and wrote:
demoris...@aol.com wrote:
High stake swindle: Aussie wins
http://www.smh.com.au/news/Business/China-court-win-at-last-for-Peng/2004/12/05/1102182156357.html
Niece of Deng Xiaoping is still "running around" with $100 million.
----------
It looks like a very complicated business deal that went sour. Just
because one party is related to Deng it has become convinient to pin the
blame on Deng Xiao ping.
Jame Peng had wanted to strike up a relation of Deng's neice to gain
unfair advantage in China.
Thanks for admitting that a joint venture with a CCP member gives an
unfair advantage.
Rubbish!
The CCP in the early 90s did not accept private business men or women
as member.
Like many people getting conned they are greedy and dishonest to start
with. Who knows what went on between the two parties?
How about you? Do you want to know what happened to the money? Do you want
an investigation?
It is good to listen to both sides of the story but as usual with China
bashing in western press they only report the allegation.
From the brief report it appeared that James Peng had some trouble in
the first place.
Then, "To protect his position, Mr Peng had hired Ding Peng, a niece of
Deng Xiaoping, in 1993 as a lobbyist". The shares transfer to Deng's
neice must have been a bribe.
Obviously the bribery didn't work and he was jailed.
Now, here is a law question for you.
Can a person claim back his bribe if bribery did not result in the
intended outcome?
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| User: "Jim Walsh" |
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23 Sep 2005 09:04:13 AM |
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On Fri, 23 Sep 2005 04:55:30 -0700, Yu thought carefully and wrote:
Jim Walsh wrote:
How about you? Do you want to know what happened to the money? Do you
want an investigation?
It is good to listen to both sides of the story but as usual with China
bashing in western press they only report the allegation.
I repeat, since you failed to answer, "Do you want to know what happened
to the money?"
--
Love, Jim
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| User: "Yu" |
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23 Sep 2005 08:12:54 PM |
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Jim Walsh wrote:
On Fri, 23 Sep 2005 04:55:30 -0700, Yu thought carefully and wrote:
Jim Walsh wrote:
How about you? Do you want to know what happened to the money? Do you
want an investigation?
It is good to listen to both sides of the story but as usual with China
bashing in western press they only report the allegation.
I repeat, since you failed to answer, "Do you want to know what happened
to the money?"
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Sure I want to know.
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| User: "Jim Walsh" |
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24 Sep 2005 01:10:01 AM |
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On Fri, 23 Sep 2005 18:12:54 -0700, Yu thought carefully and wrote:
Jim Walsh wrote:
I repeat, since you failed to answer, "Do you want to know what
happened to the money?"
Sure I want to know.
What PRC agency can be trusted to investigate Deng's niece for taking a
bribe?
--
Love, Jim
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| User: "Yu" |
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24 Sep 2005 02:00:27 AM |
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Jim Walsh wrote:
On Fri, 23 Sep 2005 18:12:54 -0700, Yu thought carefully and wrote:
Jim Walsh wrote:
I repeat, since you failed to answer, "Do you want to know what
happened to the money?"
Sure I want to know.
What PRC agency can be trusted to investigate Deng's niece for taking a
bribe?
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You are still trying to tell us that Deng XP somehow still controls
China. Sigh!
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| User: "Jim Walsh" |
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24 Sep 2005 04:28:54 AM |
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On Sat, 24 Sep 2005 00:00:27 -0700, Yu thought carefully and wrote:
Jim Walsh wrote:
What PRC agency can be trusted to investigate Deng's niece for taking a
bribe?
You are still trying to tell us that Deng XP somehow still controls
China. Sigh!
I am saying that the CCP will not investigate his relatives.
--
Love, Jim
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| User: "Jim Walsh" |
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23 Sep 2005 09:03:12 AM |
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On Fri, 23 Sep 2005 04:55:30 -0700, Yu thought carefully and wrote:
Jim Walsh wrote:
On Fri, 23 Sep 2005 00:46:45 -0700, Yu thought carefully and wrote:
It looks like a very complicated business deal that went sour. Just
because one party is related to Deng it has become convinient to pin
the blame on Deng Xiao ping.
Jame Peng had wanted to strike up a relation of Deng's neice to gain
unfair advantage in China.
Let me quote from you (the original words are above): "James Peng ...
[wanted a relationship with a CCP member] to gain [an] unfair advantage in
China."
You said it. I only agreed that it was true.
Thanks for admitting that a joint venture with a CCP member gives an
unfair advantage.
Rubbish!
The CCP in the early 90s did not accept private business men or women as
member.
Now, I said NOTHING about accepting capitalists as CCP members. Are you
trying to claim that CCP members did not enter into business partnerships
(either personally, or through a government agency) with foreign
investors. LOL. Actually, in the early days, ALL foreign investments had
to have a Chinese partner (run by a CCP member).
And MOST foreign investors sought (and continue to seek) a partnership
with high ranking Party members (or their relatives) as the safest way of
ensuring "an unfair advantage", to quote you.
--
Love, Jim
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| User: "Yu" |
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23 Sep 2005 07:45:15 PM |
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Jim Walsh wrote:
On Fri, 23 Sep 2005 04:55:30 -0700, Yu thought carefully and wrote:
Jim Walsh wrote:
On Fri, 23 Sep 2005 00:46:45 -0700, Yu thought carefully and wrote:
It looks like a very complicated business deal that went sour. Just
because one party is related to Deng it has become convinient to pin
the blame on Deng Xiao ping.
Jame Peng had wanted to strike up a relation of Deng's neice to gain
unfair advantage in China.
Let me quote from you (the original words are above): "James Peng ...
[wanted a relationship with a CCP member] to gain [an] unfair advantage in
China."
You said it. I only agreed that it was true.
From what I can see in this report, it is unlikely that Deng's neice is
a CCP member because in the early 90s CCP members were not allowed to
run private business.
As usual you are trying your best to distort what I have said.
Thanks for admitting that a joint venture with a CCP member gives an
unfair advantage.
Rubbish!
The CCP in the early 90s did not accept private business men or women as
member.
Now, I said NOTHING about accepting capitalists as CCP members. Are you
trying to claim that CCP members did not enter into business partnerships
(either personally, or through a government agency) with foreign
investors. LOL. Actually, in the early days, ALL foreign investments had
to have a Chinese partner (run by a CCP member).
These join ventures were between the State and foreigners. CCP members
were employees of the JV. They don't own those enterprises.
And MOST foreign investors sought (and continue to seek) a partnership
with high ranking Party members (or their relatives) as the safest way of
ensuring "an unfair advantage", to quote you.
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That's what they thought. James Peng's case showed that bribery didn't
work and he want his money back.
Instead of spending your time trying to lie about everything whay don't
you answer my question. In a corruption case, can a person demand
refund if his or her bribe did not result in the desire outcome?
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24 Sep 2005 01:12:16 AM |
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On Fri, 23 Sep 2005 17:45:15 -0700, Yu thought carefully and wrote:
Jim Walsh wrote:
And MOST foreign investors sought (and continue to seek) a partnership
with high ranking Party members (or their relatives) as the safest way
of ensuring "an unfair advantage", to quote you.....
Instead of spending your time trying to lie about everything whay don't
you answer my question. In a corruption case, can a person demand refund
if his or her bribe did not result in the desire outcome?
No.
BTW, you seem to overlook the true issue from a Chinese perspective. How
can the Chinese stop these CCP members and their relatives from taking
bribes?
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| User: "Yu" |
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24 Sep 2005 01:56:00 AM |
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Jim Walsh wrote:
On Fri, 23 Sep 2005 17:45:15 -0700, Yu thought carefully and wrote:
Jim Walsh wrote:
And MOST foreign investors sought (and continue to seek) a partnership
with high ranking Party members (or their relatives) as the safest way
of ensuring "an unfair advantage", to quote you.....
Instead of spending your time trying to lie about everything whay don't
you answer my question. In a corruption case, can a person demand refund
if his or her bribe did not result in the desire outcome?
No.
BTW, you seem to overlook the true issue from a Chinese perspective. How
can the Chinese stop these CCP members and their relatives from taking
bribes?
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If you want to bash CCP you have pick the wrong subject.
1) I all likelyhood, Deng's neice is not a CCP member.
2) The bribery obviously didn't work and James Peng ended up in jail.
3) we all have annoying very relatives.
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| User: "Jim Walsh" |
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24 Sep 2005 04:30:16 AM |
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On Fri, 23 Sep 2005 23:56:00 -0700, Yu thought carefully and wrote:
Jim Walsh wrote:
BTW, you seem to overlook the true issue from a Chinese perspective.
How can the Chinese stop these CCP members and their relatives from
taking bribes?
If you want to bash CCP you have pick the wrong subject. 1) I all
likelyhood, Deng's neice is not a CCP member. 2) The bribery obviously
didn't work and James Peng ended up in jail. 3) we all have annoying
very relatives.
Ignored the question: How can the Chinese stop these CCP members and
their relatives from taking bribes?
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| User: "lechergod" |
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23 Sep 2005 12:20:33 PM |
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i give you further information for such partnership.
such ccp member takes 51% of the capital,
do you believe they have such money ????
it is not,
it is state-owned or province-owned.
there have no company law in mainland to let company registered.
and only foreign investment can set up such factories.
no native can be allowed to escape from monopolistic ownership by state.
Jim Walsh wrote:
On Fri, 23 Sep 2005 04:55:30 -0700, Yu thought carefully and wrote:
Jim Walsh wrote:
On Fri, 23 Sep 2005 00:46:45 -0700, Yu thought carefully and wrote:
It looks like a very complicated business deal that went sour. Just
because one party is related to Deng it has become convinient to pin
the blame on Deng Xiao ping.
Jame Peng had wanted to strike up a relation of Deng's neice to gain
unfair advantage in China.
Let me quote from you (the original words are above): "James Peng ...
[wanted a relationship with a CCP member] to gain [an] unfair advantage in
China."
You said it. I only agreed that it was true.
Thanks for admitting that a joint venture with a CCP member gives an
unfair advantage.
Rubbish!
The CCP in the early 90s did not accept private business men or women as
member.
Now, I said NOTHING about accepting capitalists as CCP members. Are you
trying to claim that CCP members did not enter into business partnerships
(either personally, or through a government agency) with foreign
investors. LOL. Actually, in the early days, ALL foreign investments had
to have a Chinese partner (run by a CCP member).
And MOST foreign investors sought (and continue to seek) a partnership
with high ranking Party members (or their relatives) as the safest way of
ensuring "an unfair advantage", to quote you.
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23 Sep 2005 04:25:17 PM |
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Yu wrote:
demoris...@aol.com wrote:
ltlee1 wrote:
Goodness Godless wrote:
"maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1127390290.106191.235530@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
U.S. Says China Must Address Its Intentions
How Its Power Will Be Used Is of Concern
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/21/AR2005092101912_pf.html
By Glenn Kessler
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, September 22, 2005; A16
Deputy Secretary of State Robert B. Zoellick bluntly warned China last
night that it must begin to take concrete steps to address what he
called a "a cauldron of anxiety" in the United States and other parts
of the world about Chinese intentions.
Zoellick, delivering the administration's most comprehensive statement
on its dealings with China, said the United States has worked hard to
bring China into the international system over the past three decades.
Now, he said, the United States will focus on ensuring that China
becomes a responsible player on the world stage.
somehow, I think, China has been a much more responsible player in the
last few years than 'God's Own Country'. But then China does not let
faciest anywhere near their government!
"We have many common interests with China," Zoellick said. "But
relationships built only on a coincidence of interests have shallow
roots. Relationships built on shared interests and shared values are
deep and lasting."
I wonder what shared value entails.
For example, America allows neonazi running around preaching white
supremacy. Must China accept that kind of value too?
CCP value lets niece of leader (Deng Xiaoping) steal $100 million, and
then put the person (James Peng) she stole it from in prison:
High stake swindle: Aussie wins
http://www.smh.com.au/news/Business/China-court-win-at-last-for-Peng/2004/12/05/1102182156357.html
Niece of Deng Xiaoping is still "running around" with $100 million.
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It looks like a very complicated business deal that went sour.
Just because one party is related to Deng it has become convinient to
pin the blame on Deng Xiao ping.
Jame Peng had wanted to strike up a relation of Deng's neice to gain
unfair advantage in China. Like many people getting conned they are
greedy and dishonest to start with. Who knows what went on between the
two parties?
The issue has been decided by a Hong Kong court, so according to the
rule of law: James Peng is right and Deng's niece is wrong.
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| User: "Yu" |
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23 Sep 2005 09:01:46 PM |
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wrote:
Yu wrote:
demoris...@aol.com wrote:
ltlee1 wrote:
Goodness Godless wrote:
"maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1127390290.106191.235530@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
U.S. Says China Must Address Its Intentions
How Its Power Will Be Used Is of Concern
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/21/AR2005092101912_pf.html
By Glenn Kessler
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, September 22, 2005; A16
Deputy Secretary of State Robert B. Zoellick bluntly warned China last
night that it must begin to take concrete steps to address what he
called a "a cauldron of anxiety" in the United States and other parts
of the world about Chinese intentions.
Zoellick, delivering the administration's most comprehensive statement
on its dealings with China, said the United States has worked hard to
bring China into the international system over the past three decades.
Now, he said, the United States will focus on ensuring that China
becomes a responsible player on the world stage.
somehow, I think, China has been a much more responsible player in the
last few years than 'God's Own Country'. But then China does not let
faciest anywhere near their government!
"We have many common interests with China," Zoellick said. "But
relationships built only on a coincidence of interests have shallow
roots. Relationships built on shared interests and shared values are
deep and lasting."
I wonder what shared value entails.
For example, America allows neonazi running around preaching white
supremacy. Must China accept that kind of value too?
CCP value lets niece of leader (Deng Xiaoping) steal $100 million, and
then put the person (James Peng) she stole it from in prison:
High stake swindle: Aussie wins
http://www.smh.com.au/news/Business/China-court-win-at-last-for-Peng/2004/12/05/1102182156357.html
Niece of Deng Xiaoping is still "running around" with $100 million.
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It looks like a very complicated business deal that went sour.
Just because one party is related to Deng it has become convinient to
pin the blame on Deng Xiao ping.
Jame Peng had wanted to strike up a relation of Deng's neice to gain
unfair advantage in China. Like many people getting conned they are
greedy and dishonest to start with. Who knows what went on between the
two parties?
The issue has been decided by a Hong Kong court, so according to the
rule of law: James Peng is right and Deng's niece is wrong.
It's crook eating crook.
James Peng getting Deng's neice to "lobby" for him is a creative way of
say bribery.
Taiwan have been doing that in Washington all the time.
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| User: "Jim Walsh" |
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24 Sep 2005 01:09:17 AM |
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On Fri, 23 Sep 2005 19:01:46 -0700, Yu thought carefully and wrote:
James Peng getting Deng's neice to "lobby" for him is a creative way of
say bribery.
Assume what you say is true. Do you think that the CCP is the appropriate
entity for investigating Deng's niece for taking a bribe?
If not, which agency in the PRC is sufficiently free from CCP control to
investigate her bribe taking?
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| User: "Yu" |
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24 Sep 2005 02:36:34 AM |
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Jim Walsh wrote:
On Fri, 23 Sep 2005 19:01:46 -0700, Yu thought carefully and wrote:
James Peng getting Deng's neice to "lobby" for him is a creative way of
say bribery.
Assume what you say is true. Do you think that the CCP is the appropriate
entity for investigating Deng's niece for taking a bribe?
If not, which agency in the PRC is sufficiently free from CCP control to
investigate her bribe taking?
Your whole argument is built on the assumption that the CCP is in the
center of all this. I see no evidence of it. OTOH, there are plenty of
cases of corruption at the mid and lower level. You just pick the wrong
case. China is a normal country. These things happen. I suppose
prosecutor office is the appropriate avenue to investigate such cases.
Bribery is not always possible to proof with both parties willingly
colluded.
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| User: "Jim Walsh" |
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24 Sep 2005 04:28:27 AM |
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On Sat, 24 Sep 2005 00:36:34 -0700, Yu thought carefully and wrote:
Jim Walsh wrote:
On Fri, 23 Sep 2005 19:01:46 -0700, Yu thought carefully and wrote:
James Peng getting Deng's neice to "lobby" for him is a creative way
of say bribery.
Assume what you say is true. Do you think that the CCP is the
appropriate entity for investigating Deng's niece for taking a bribe?
If not, which agency in the PRC is sufficiently free from CCP control
to investigate her bribe taking?
Your whole argument is built on the assumption that the CCP is in the
center of all this.
My argument is simpler than that. I say that the CCP will not investigate
Deng's niece. Period.
I see no evidence of it. OTOH, there are plenty of cases of corruption
at the mid and lower level. You just pick the wrong case. China is a
normal country.
Let's see. A normal country has a free press. Do you claim that the press
in the PRC is free? A normal allows freedom of religion. Do you claim that
the PRC allows Roman Catholics to worship openly and legally?
Sorry. But the PRC is not a normal country. It is politically backward.
These things happen. I suppose prosecutor office is the appropriate
avenue to investigate such cases. Bribery is not always possible to
proof with both parties willingly colluded.
Every prosecutor in the PRC is under the control of the CCP. Therefore,
you seem to be saying that the CCP is able to investigate people like
Deng's niece. Do you really believe that?
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23 Sep 2005 08:42:08 PM |
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wrote:
ltlee1 wrote:
Goodness Godless wrote:
"maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1127390290.106191.235530@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
U.S. Says China Must Address Its Intentions
How Its Power Will Be Used Is of Concern
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/21/AR2005092101912_pf.html
By Glenn Kessler
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, September 22, 2005; A16
Deputy Secretary of State Robert B. Zoellick bluntly warned China last
night that it must begin to take concrete steps to address what he
called a "a cauldron of anxiety" in the United States and other parts
of the world about Chinese intentions.
Zoellick, delivering the administration's most comprehensive statement
on its dealings with China, said the United States has worked hard to
bring China into the international system over the past three decades.
Now, he said, the United States will focus on ensuring that China
becomes a responsible player on the world stage.
somehow, I think, China has been a much more responsible player in the
last few years than 'God's Own Country'. But then China does not let
faciest anywhere near their government!
"We have many common interests with China," Zoellick said. "But
relationships built only on a coincidence of interests have shallow
roots. Relationships built on shared interests and shared values are
deep and lasting."
I wonder what shared value entails.
For example, America allows neonazi running around preaching white
supremacy. Must China accept that kind of value too?
CCP value lets niece of leader (Deng Xiaoping) steal $100 million, and
then put the person (James Peng) she stole it from in prison:
High stake swindle: Aussie wins
http://www.smh.com.au/news/Business/China-court-win-at-last-for-Peng/2004/12/05/1102182156357.html
Niece of Deng Xiaoping is still "running around" with $100 million.
May be you did not read the article. The objective and verifiable fact
is
"A court in Hong Kong has ordered a niece of the late Chinese leader
Deng Xiaoping to pay back about $100 million in shares and funds..."
It did not say the court demand the CCP to pay back any money.
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If Bush's nephew breaks the law he is arrested:
According to you way of reasoning, American democratic value led to
Bush's nephew to break the law.
President Bush's Nephew Arrested
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/09/16/national/main856301.shtml
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| User: "Yu" |
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23 Sep 2005 08:59:15 PM |
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ltlee1 wrote:
demoris...@aol.com wrote:
ltlee1 wrote:
Goodness Godless wrote:
"maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1127390290.106191.235530@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
U.S. Says China Must Address Its Intentions
How Its Power Will Be Used Is of Concern
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/21/AR2005092101912_pf.html
By Glenn Kessler
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, September 22, 2005; A16
Deputy Secretary of State Robert B. Zoellick bluntly warned China last
night that it must begin to take concrete steps to address what he
called a "a cauldron of anxiety" in the United States and other parts
of the world about Chinese intentions.
Zoellick, delivering the administration's most comprehensive statement
on its dealings with China, said the United States has worked hard to
bring China into the international system over the past three decades.
Now, he said, the United States will focus on ensuring that China
becomes a responsible player on the world stage.
somehow, I think, China has been a much more responsible player in the
last few years than 'God's Own Country'. But then China does not let
faciest anywhere near their government!
"We have many common interests with China," Zoellick said. "But
relationships built only on a coincidence of interests have shallow
roots. Relationships built on shared interests and shared values are
deep and lasting."
I wonder what shared value entails.
For example, America allows neonazi running around preaching white
supremacy. Must China accept that kind of value too?
CCP value lets niece of leader (Deng Xiaoping) steal $100 million, and
then put the person (James Peng) she stole it from in prison:
High stake swindle: Aussie wins
http://www.smh.com.au/news/Business/China-court-win-at-last-for-Peng/2004/12/05/1102182156357.html
Niece of Deng Xiaoping is still "running around" with $100 million.
May be you did not read the article. The objective and verifiable fact
is
"A court in Hong Kong has ordered a niece of the late Chinese leader
Deng Xiaoping to pay back about $100 million in shares and funds..."
It did not say the court demand the CCP to pay back any money.
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If Bush's nephew breaks the law he is arrested:
According to you way of reasoning, American democratic value led to
Bush's nephew to break the law.
According to Taiwan Press, one of GW Bush's brothers was paid by Taiwan
Gov to lobby for them. American lawyers are creative. They legalized
corruption by creating a new term "lobbying".
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