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"Fredric L. Rice" |
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26 May 2005 08:46:17 PM |
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Use PGP on your computer, you're guilty |
http://news.com.com/Minnesota+court+takes+dim+view+of+encryption/2100-1030_3-5718978..html
They captured a child pornographer who also used PGP encryption on
his computer. Unfortunately the DA and the courts decided that the
statements by the victims were not enough to convict or something
so they ruled that simply having PGP encryption on your computer is
a sign that you're guilty of a crime.
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31 May 2005 11:17:44 PM |
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(Fredric L. Rice) writes:
http://news.com.com/Minnesota+court+takes+dim+view+of+encryption/2100-1030_3-5718978..html
his computer. Unfortunately the DA and the courts decided that the
statements by the victims were not enough to convict or something
so they ruled that simply having PGP encryption on your computer is
a sign that you're guilty of a crime.
Welcome to the Land of the Formerly Free!
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chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (soon to be TCI's 2005-06 Houston Aeros)
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NEXT GAME: Date/opponent/site TBA in August 2005
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27 May 2005 04:50:54 AM |
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(Fredric L. Rice) wrote :
http://news.com.com/Minnesota+court+takes+dim+view+of+encryption/2100-1
030_3-5718978.html
They captured a child pornographer who also used PGP encryption on
his computer. Unfortunately the DA and the courts decided that the
statements by the victims were not enough to convict or something
so they ruled that simply having PGP encryption on your computer is
a sign that you're guilty of a crime.
I understood there'd always been legal issues surrounding the use of
encryption on American home computers? Especially PGP? Certainly my
software carried disclaimers regarding export/import from and to the US.
In Britain, the Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act (aka the Snooper's
Charter) introduces several offences relating to encryption, including a
failure to hand over keys to the authorities when asked. Inferences can
be drawn under this legislation. As far as the law is concerned it seems
that what I think is private correspondence and data relating to my
finances, health and family must really be child porn or other illegal
material. The reason? I've got it encrypted and I'm not keen to have my
local constabulary rooting through it. And obviously I couldn't
reasonably object to friendly British bobbies going through the deepest
details of my private life, could I? I mean, we're not a police state -
they don't even carry guns!
It is stupid, stupid reasoning - but it's law. Unfortunately, the one
doesn't necessarily exclude the other...
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27 May 2005 08:36:46 AM |
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Midjis wrote:
As far as the law is concerned it seems
that what I think is private correspondence and data relating to my
finances, health and family must really be child porn or other illegal
material. The reason? I've got it encrypted and I'm not keen to have my
local constabulary rooting through it. And obviously I couldn't
reasonably object to friendly British bobbies going through the deepest
details of my private life, could I? I mean, we're not a police state -
they don't even carry guns!
The obvious solution is to create an encryption scheme that,
when presented with one key, opens up normally - but when
presented with a different key, opens up page upon page of
things like "Dear Diary, today I had scrambled eggs and
coffee for breakfast", really bad poetry, and episode
summaries for each and every showing of "Cash in the Attic"
(including repeat entries for reruns). For bonus points,
include pictures of yourself trying on a series of different
hats.
Walt Smith
Firelock on DALNet
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| User: "Midjis" |
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| Title: Re: Use PGP on your computer, you're guilty |
27 May 2005 09:31:01 AM |
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wrote :
The obvious solution is to create an encryption scheme that,
when presented with one key, opens up normally - but when
presented with a different key, opens up page upon page of
things like "Dear Diary, today I had scrambled eggs and
coffee for breakfast", really bad poetry, and episode
summaries for each and every showing of "Cash in the Attic"
(including repeat entries for reruns). For bonus points,
include pictures of yourself trying on a series of different
hats.
There's definitely a marketing idea in there. I'd buy it...
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| User: "Wieland the Smith" |
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27 May 2005 04:10:43 PM |
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Midjis wrote:
firelock_ny@hotmail.com wrote :
The obvious solution is to create an encryption scheme that,
when presented with one key, opens up normally - but when
presented with a different key, opens up page upon page of
things like "Dear Diary, today I had scrambled eggs and
coffee for breakfast", really bad poetry, and episode
summaries for each and every showing of "Cash in the Attic"
(including repeat entries for reruns). For bonus points,
include pictures of yourself trying on a series of different
hats.
There's definitely a marketing idea in there. I'd buy it...
Sorry to rain on your parade, it already exists.
The method is called "Staganografic Encryption", and typically the
encrypted data is hidden in pictures, but you can also hide it in price
lists, parts lists or other innocent text.
I did a Google search, and found several programs which do it.
Regard
Wieland the Smith
AA#2040
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| User: "stoney" |
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29 May 2005 07:41:17 PM |
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On Fri, 27 May 2005 23:10:43 +0200, Wieland the Smith
<reneschulz@gmx.net> wrote:
Midjis wrote:
firelock_ny@hotmail.com wrote :
The obvious solution is to create an encryption scheme that,
when presented with one key, opens up normally - but when
presented with a different key, opens up page upon page of
things like "Dear Diary, today I had scrambled eggs and
coffee for breakfast", really bad poetry, and episode
summaries for each and every showing of "Cash in the Attic"
(including repeat entries for reruns). For bonus points,
include pictures of yourself trying on a series of different
hats.
There's definitely a marketing idea in there. I'd buy it...
Sorry to rain on your parade, it already exists.
The method is called "Staganografic Encryption", and typically the
encrypted data is hidden in pictures, but you can also hide it in price
lists, parts lists or other innocent text.
I did a Google search, and found several programs which do it.
Did you mean: Steganographic Encryption {google}
http://www.thefreecountry.com/security/encryption.shtml
http://www.petitcolas.net/fabien/steganography/stego_soft.html
http://www.garykessler.net/library/steganography.html {explaination}
unix
http://www.cabalamat.org/oss/stes/intro.html
Regard
Wieland the Smith
AA#2040
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represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
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| User: "Midjis" |
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27 May 2005 05:27:22 PM |
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Wieland the Smith <reneschulz@gmx.net> wrote :
There's definitely a marketing idea in there. I'd buy it...
Sorry to rain on your parade, it already exists.
The method is called "Staganografic Encryption", and typically the
encrypted data is hidden in pictures, but you can also hide it in price
lists, parts lists or other innocent text.
I did a Google search, and found several programs which do it.
You're not raining on any parade. I already use steganographic methods
for smaller files and files I'm not going to want to access very often,
and certainly for anything I'm sending via email. And yes, other text
files, images, sound or music files can all be used as carriers.
But the system I use for such concealment is a little bit clunky in terms
of coding and decoding data, so it's not ideal for regularly accessed and
updated files - for example, accounts and so on. The package I use does
allow me to create secure 'drives' which can be opened or closed easily
and quickly, but these are usually visible as bulky and fairly obvious
files in themselves when encrypted. And they would certainly raise
suspicions that I'm an international terrorist if The Authorities saw
them. After all, if I wasn't plotting the overthrow of British Democracy
(ha!) I wouldn't need encryption, would I?
I would use straightforward PGP-based software, but for some reason
(that's probably down to my own lack of expertise) I've never managed to
install PGP of any kind without subsequently getting a BSOD on every
attempt to boot the machine.
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27 May 2005 04:21:33 PM |
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On 27 May 2005 06:36:46 -0700, wrote:
Midjis wrote:
As far as the law is concerned it seems
that what I think is private correspondence and data relating to my
finances, health and family must really be child porn or other illegal
material. The reason? I've got it encrypted and I'm not keen to have my
local constabulary rooting through it. And obviously I couldn't
reasonably object to friendly British bobbies going through the deepest
details of my private life, could I? I mean, we're not a police state -
they don't even carry guns!
The obvious solution is to create an encryption scheme that,
when presented with one key, opens up normally - but when
presented with a different key, opens up page upon page of
things like "Dear Diary, today I had scrambled eggs and
coffee for breakfast", really bad poetry, and episode
summaries for each and every showing of "Cash in the Attic"
(including repeat entries for reruns). For bonus points,
include pictures of yourself trying on a series of different
hats.
Walt Smith
Firelock on DALNet
great idea.
TheRain
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| User: "Dubh Ghall" |
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29 May 2005 03:09:00 PM |
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On Fri, 27 May 2005 17:21:33 -0400, wrote:
On 27 May 2005 06:36:46 -0700, wrote:
snip
The obvious solution is to create an encryption scheme that,
when presented with one key, opens up normally - but when
presented with a different key, opens up page upon page of
things like "Dear Diary, today I had scrambled eggs and
coffee for breakfast", really bad poetry, and episode
summaries for each and every showing of "Cash in the Attic"
(including repeat entries for reruns). For bonus points,
include pictures of yourself trying on a series of different
hats.
Walt Smith
Firelock on DALNet
great idea.
TheRain
And hide your secrets in a few chapters from Leviticus and Deuteronomy, all
those "shalts" and "shalt nots", not to mention the "begetting and begatting".
Nobody is going to read all that. (:-)
--
Puck Greenman
The spelling, Like any opinion stated here,
is purely my own
#162 BAAWA Knight.
Plonked by Rob Duncan
Na bister 500,000
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26 May 2005 09:33:36 PM |
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(Fredric L. Rice) wrote in
news:119cvl8lqv65v20@corp.supernews.com:
http://news.com.com/Minnesota+court+takes+dim+view+of+encryption/2100-1
030_3-5718978..html
They captured a child pornographer who also used PGP encryption on
his computer. Unfortunately the DA and the courts decided that the
statements by the victims were not enough to convict or something
so they ruled that simply having PGP encryption on your computer is
a sign that you're guilty of a crime.
(remove one of the periods before "html" to make the link work)
"A Minnesota appeals court has ruled that the presence of encryption
software on a computer may be viewed as evidence of criminal intent."
This is like saying a person who locks their house is obviously trying to
keep law enforcement from finding something in their house.
--
Dr. Smartass -- BAAWA Knight of Heckling -- a.a. #1939
You can't please everyone all the time; your tongue will get tired.
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| User: "Fredric L. Rice" |
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27 May 2005 07:55:23 PM |
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Doc Smartass <gekiskivviesdo@astroboyskivviesmail.com> wrote:
FRice@SkepticTank.ORG (Fredric L. Rice) wrote in
news:119cvl8lqv65v20@corp.supernews.com:
http://news.com.com/Minnesota+court+takes+dim+view+of+encryption/2100-1
030_3-5718978..html
They captured a child pornographer who also used PGP encryption on
his computer. Unfortunately the DA and the courts decided that the
statements by the victims were not enough to convict or something
so they ruled that simply having PGP encryption on your computer is
a sign that you're guilty of a crime.
(remove one of the periods before "html" to make the link work)
"A Minnesota appeals court has ruled that the presence of encryption
software on a computer may be viewed as evidence of criminal intent."
This is like saying a person who locks their house is obviously trying to
keep law enforcement from finding something in their house.
People who use envelopes to send letters through the mail are also
apparently criminals.
---
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Scientology crooks: http://sf.irk.ru/www/ot3/otiii-gif.html
http://PerkinsTragedy.org http://www.rightard.org/
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| User: "Doc Smartass" |
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27 May 2005 08:06:20 PM |
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(Fredric L. Rice) wrote in
news:119fh1raherlc22@corp.supernews.com:
Doc Smartass <gekiskivviesdo@astroboyskivviesmail.com> wrote:
(Fredric L. Rice) wrote in
news:119cvl8lqv65v20@corp.supernews.com:
http://news.com.com/Minnesota+court+takes+dim+view+of+encryption/2100
-1 030_3-5718978..html
They captured a child pornographer who also used PGP encryption on
his computer. Unfortunately the DA and the courts decided that the
statements by the victims were not enough to convict or something
so they ruled that simply having PGP encryption on your computer is
a sign that you're guilty of a crime.
(remove one of the periods before "html" to make the link work)
"A Minnesota appeals court has ruled that the presence of encryption
software on a computer may be viewed as evidence of criminal intent."
This is like saying a person who locks their house is obviously trying
to keep law enforcement from finding something in their house.
People who use envelopes to send letters through the mail are also
apparently criminals.
Oh my. This morning I mailed a check, wrapped in a piece of newspaper to
keep it from being obvious that there was a check in the envelope.
I'm screwed!
--
Dr. Smartass -- BAAWA Knight of Heckling -- a.a. #1939
You can't please everyone all the time; your tongue will get tired.
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26 May 2005 10:10:10 PM |
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Doc Smartass wrote:
FRice@SkepticTank.ORG (Fredric L. Rice) wrote in
news:119cvl8lqv65v20@corp.supernews.com:
http://news.com.com/Minnesota+court+takes+dim+view+of+encryption/2100-1
030_3-5718978..html
They captured a child pornographer who also used PGP encryption on
his computer. Unfortunately the DA and the courts decided that the
statements by the victims were not enough to convict or something
so they ruled that simply having PGP encryption on your computer is
a sign that you're guilty of a crime.
"A Minnesota appeals court has ruled that the presence of encryption
software on a computer may be viewed as evidence of criminal intent."
Unless a Shrub-appointed activist judge (a judge who makes
decisions based on anything other than the law) is on the
court of appeals, this won't stand up.
This is like saying a person who locks their house is obviously trying to
keep law enforcement from finding something in their house.
What's next? Speaking in a language other than English is
illegal because the police can't wiretap the conversation?
Then again, some Repugnicants want to make English the US's
"official" language.
Bob Dog
Atheist #153 = 1^3 + 5^3 + 3^3
EAC's chief cook and brainwasher
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"You won't find any opposition to the idea of evolution among
sophisticated, educated theologians. It comes from an
exceedingly retarded, primitive version of religion, which
unfortunately is at present undergoing an epidemic in the
United States."
- Richard Dawkins
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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27 May 2005 07:08:48 AM |
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In our last episode
<1117163410.426485.160770@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>, bg12345
pirouetted gracefully and with great fanfare proclaimed:
Doc Smartass wrote:
FRice@SkepticTank.ORG (Fredric L. Rice) wrote in
news:119cvl8lqv65v20@corp.supernews.com:
http://news.com.com/Minnesota+court+takes+dim+view+of+encryption/2100-1
030_3-5718978..html
They captured a child pornographer who also used PGP encryption on his
computer. Unfortunately the DA and the courts decided that the
statements by the victims were not enough to convict or something so
they ruled that simply having PGP encryption on your computer is a
sign that you're guilty of a crime.
"A Minnesota appeals court has ruled that the presence of encryption
software on a computer may be viewed as evidence of criminal intent."
Unless a Shrub-appointed activist judge (a judge who makes decisions based
on anything other than the law) is on the court of appeals, this won't
stand up.
This is like saying a person who locks their house is obviously trying
to keep law enforcement from finding something in their house.
What's next? Speaking in a language other than English is illegal because
the police can't wiretap the conversation?
Then again, some Repugnicants want to make English the US's "official"
language.
Okay but not before their President learns to *speak it...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Come to think of it, there are already a million
monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet
is NOTHING like Shakespeare!" -- Blair Houghton
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27 May 2005 12:46:13 AM |
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On 26 May 2005, dropped trou, farted, whirled, then shouted:
This is like saying a person who locks their house is obviously
trying to keep law enforcement from finding something in their house.
What's next? Speaking in a language other than English is
illegal because the police can't wiretap the conversation?
Unless, of course, the language is "tongues".
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
Plonked by Jason Gastrich for all eternity...
Lovingly plonked by Roger Pearse
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"I'm sickened by all religions. Religion has divided people. I don't think
there's any difference between the pope wearing a large hat and parading
around with a smoking purse and an African painting his face white and
praying to a rock."
[Howard Stern]
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27 May 2005 07:08:11 AM |
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In our last episode <Xns9662DCB84BEAaskifyouwantit@216.77.188.18>, Doc
Smartass pirouetted gracefully and with great fanfare proclaimed:
FRice@SkepticTank.ORG (Fredric L. Rice) wrote in
news:119cvl8lqv65v20@corp.supernews.com:
http://news.com.com/Minnesota+court+takes+dim+view+of+encryption/2100-1
030_3-5718978..html
They captured a child pornographer who also used PGP encryption on his
computer. Unfortunately the DA and the courts decided that the
statements by the victims were not enough to convict or something so
they ruled that simply having PGP encryption on your computer is a sign
that you're guilty of a crime.
(remove one of the periods before "html" to make the link work)
"A Minnesota appeals court has ruled that the presence of encryption
software on a computer may be viewed as evidence of criminal intent."
This is like saying a person who locks their house is obviously trying to
keep law enforcement from finding something in their house.
Obviously! Not to mention, closing your curtains means you're up to something...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Come to think of it, there are already a million
monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet
is NOTHING like Shakespeare!" -- Blair Houghton
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27 May 2005 04:19:41 PM |
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On Fri, 27 May 2005 07:08:11 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In our last episode <Xns9662DCB84BEAaskifyouwantit@216.77.188.18>, Doc
Smartass pirouetted gracefully and with great fanfare proclaimed:
FRice@SkepticTank.ORG (Fredric L. Rice) wrote in
news:119cvl8lqv65v20@corp.supernews.com:
http://news.com.com/Minnesota+court+takes+dim+view+of+encryption/2100-1
030_3-5718978..html
They captured a child pornographer who also used PGP encryption on his
computer. Unfortunately the DA and the courts decided that the
statements by the victims were not enough to convict or something so
they ruled that simply having PGP encryption on your computer is a sign
that you're guilty of a crime.
(remove one of the periods before "html" to make the link work)
"A Minnesota appeals court has ruled that the presence of encryption
software on a computer may be viewed as evidence of criminal intent."
This is like saying a person who locks their house is obviously trying to
keep law enforcement from finding something in their house.
Obviously! Not to mention, closing your curtains means you're up to something...
Of course secrecy on the part of the administration is OK. Because
there's nothing to hide.
Paranoid schizophrenics, all of them.
TheRain
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28 May 2005 12:40:16 PM |
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Fredric L. Rice wrote:
http://news.com.com/Minnesota+court+takes+dim+view+of+encryption/2100-1030_3-5718978..html
They captured a child pornographer who also used PGP encryption on
his computer. Unfortunately the DA and the courts decided that the
statements by the victims were not enough to convict or something
so they ruled that simply having PGP encryption on your computer is
a sign that you're guilty of a crime.
---
http://www.ElmerFudd.US/ http://www.notserver.com/
Scientology crooks: http://sf.irk.ru/www/ot3/otiii-gif.html
http://PerkinsTragedy.org http://www.rightard.org/
Oppose race hatred: http://www.skeptictank.org/nohate.htm
Oh, this is going to be fun.
The, "Very Large Financial Company" that I work for, uses PGP all over
the place. Hell, I have to use it in order to do some of my job.
And the funny part is that the "VLFC", was a contributor to
Shrub-a-dub-dumb's campaign, a very large contributor.
And then there's the whole using PGP to encrypt source code. Lot's of
Open Source programmers, use PGP to protect their code in development.
After all, credit where credit is due and all that. As well as, you
never know when your code may go from Open Source to Commercial. Got to
protect that investment of time you know.
I doubt that this will last very long. After all, even the government
uses encryption software, and we all KNOW they are hiding something.
--
There are none more ignorant and useless,
than they that seek answers on their knees,
with their eyes closed.
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Rev. Karl E. Taylor
A.A #1143 PLONKED by Bob, jw, real...
Apostle of Dr. Lao EAC: Virgin Conversion Unit Director
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28 May 2005 08:24:37 PM |
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"Rev. Karl E. Taylor" <ktayloraz@getnet.net> wrote:
Fredric L. Rice wrote:
http://news.com.com/Minnesota+court+takes+dim+view+of+encryption/2100-1030_3-5718978..html
The, "Very Large Financial Company" that I work for, uses PGP all over
the place. Hell, I have to use it in order to do some of my job.
And the funny part is that the "VLFC", was a contributor to
Shrub-a-dub-dumb's campaign, a very large contributor.
Guilty! The VLFC is a child pornography front!
---
http://www.ElmerFudd.US/ http://www.notserver.com/
Scientology crooks: http://sf.irk.ru/www/ot3/otiii-gif.html
http://PerkinsTragedy.org http://www.rightard.org/
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28 May 2005 09:23:07 PM |
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On Fri, 27 May 2005 01:46:17 GMT, (Fredric L.
Rice) wrote:
http://news.com.com/Minnesota+court+takes+dim+view+of+encryption/2100-1030_3-5718978..html
They captured a child pornographer who also used PGP encryption on
his computer. Unfortunately the DA and the courts decided that the
statements by the victims were not enough to convict or something
so they ruled that simply having PGP encryption on your computer is
a sign that you're guilty of a crime.
---
http://www.ElmerFudd.US/ http://www.notserver.com/
Scientology crooks: http://sf.irk.ru/www/ot3/otiii-gif.html
http://PerkinsTragedy.org http://www.rightard.org/
Oppose race hatred: http://www.skeptictank.org/nohate.htm
Thats was also true of any crypto in all of France maybe 8 years ago
At the same time exportation of crypto in the US was under this ITAR
ruling which basically said crypto is to be considered a munition
(WMD ? <BFG)
One of the designers of PGP made a big point by wearing the algorithm
printed on his Tshirt on a trip abroad! I don't remember if he was
actually arrested or just indicted for it. (but the gov was serious)
Personal Crypto had undergone a lot of softening of the rules since
then. And it has been exploited by criminals and by the gov as well.
Unfortunately all scientific advances can be used for good and bad
purposes.
But since the "When the Eagle Fly's boy and 9/11 this turn around was
inevitable. Unfortunately the climate is a bit short of the
liberal thinkers that might have balanced the situation with some
counter "privacy rules" . But there really is no pat easy answer.
to the whole question. But what the courts and bill of rights are for.
But as far as possession of PGP alone being a crime that is absurd
It's sold commercially and RSA (commercial version of PGP) and SSL are
included in almost all current operating systems. (usually dumbed
down, versions, perhaps this person was using very strong encryption
and there where additional considerations or this is typical BS
sensationalist reporting? )
DB
Dogma demands authority, rather than intelligent thought, as the
source of opinion; it requires persecution of heretics and hostility
to unbelievers; it asks of its disciples that they should inhibit
natural kindness in favor of systematic hatred. -- Bertrand Russell,
quoted from Laird Wilcox, ed., "The Degeneration of Belief"
Most of the greatest evils that man has inflicted upon man have come
through people feeling quite certain about something which, in fact,
was false. -- Bertrand Russell, Unpopular Essays, "Ideas That Have
Harmed Mankind" (1950), p. 149, quoted from James A. Haught, ed.,
2000 Years of Disbelief
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29 May 2005 07:26:32 PM |
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On Fri, 27 May 2005 01:46:17 GMT, (Fredric L.
Rice) wrote:
http://news.com.com/Minnesota+court+takes+dim+view+of+encryption/2100-1030_3-5718978..html
They captured a child pornographer who also used PGP encryption on
his computer. Unfortunately the DA and the courts decided that the
statements by the victims were not enough to convict or something
so they ruled that simply having PGP encryption on your computer is
a sign that you're guilty of a crime.
Minnesota court takes dim view of encryption
By Declan McCullagh
http://news.com.com/Minnesota+court+takes+dim+view+of+encryption/2100-1030_3-5718978.html
Story last modified Tue May 24 15:02:00 PDT 2005
A Minnesota appeals court has ruled that the presence of encryption
software on a computer may be viewed as evidence of criminal intent.
Ari David Levie, who was convicted of taking illegal photographs of a
nude 9-year-old girl, argued on appeal that the PGP encryption utility
on his computer was irrelevant and should not have been admitted as
evidence during his trial. PGP stands for Pretty Good Privacy and is
sold by PGP Inc. of Palo Alto, Calif.
But the Minnesota appeals court ruled 3-0 that the trial judge was
correct to let that information be used when handing down a guilty
verdict.
"We find that evidence of appellant's Internet use and the existence
of an encryption program on his computer was at least somewhat
relevant to the state's case against him," Judge R.A. Randall wrote in
an opinion dated May 3.
Randall favorably cited testimony given by retired police officer
Brooke Schaub, who prepared a computer forensics report--called an
EnCase Report--for the prosecution. Schaub testified that PGP "can
basically encrypt any file" and "other than the National Security
Agency," nobody could break it.
The court didn't say that police had unearthed any encrypted files or
how it would view the use of standard software like OS X's FileVault.
Rather, Levie's conviction was based on the in-person testimony of the
girl who said she was paid to pose nude, coupled with the history of
searches for "Lolitas" in Levie's Web browser.
Judge Thomas Bibus had convicted Levie of two counts of attempted use
of a minor in a sexual performance and two counts of solicitation of a
child to engage in sexual conduct. The appeals court reversed the two
convictions for attempted use of a minor, upheld the two solicitation
convictions, and sent the case back to Bibus for a new sentence.
Copyright ©1995-2005 CNET Networks, Inc.
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Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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29 May 2005 07:39:30 PM |
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On Sun, 29 May 2005 17:26:32 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Fri, 27 May 2005 01:46:17 GMT, (Fredric L.
Rice) wrote:
http://news.com.com/Minnesota+court+takes+dim+view+of+encryption/2100-1030_3-5718978..html
They captured a child pornographer who also used PGP encryption on
his computer. Unfortunately the DA and the courts decided that the
statements by the victims were not enough to convict or something
so they ruled that simply having PGP encryption on your computer is
a sign that you're guilty of a crime.
Minnesota court takes dim view of encryption
By Declan McCullagh
http://news.com.com/Minnesota+court+takes+dim+view+of+encryption/2100-1030_3-5718978.html
Story last modified Tue May 24 15:02:00 PDT 2005
A Minnesota appeals court has ruled that the presence of encryption
software on a computer may be viewed as evidence of criminal intent.
This is crazy.
The Silicon Valley corporation I worked for until 2000 used PGP
encryption to protect company secret information. Those of us who ever
worked from home had to have it installed on our machines.
That's big-brother: everything about you must be available to us
otherwise we'll presume you are guily of something because you don't
want us to know it
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30 May 2005 10:50:55 PM |
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"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:rpnk91d3845c5ta9gg4l6auvvntst04tjt@4ax.com...
On Sun, 29 May 2005 17:26:32 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Fri, 27 May 2005 01:46:17 GMT, (Fredric L.
Rice) wrote:
http://news.com.com/Minnesota+court+takes+dim+view+of+encryption/2100-1030
_3-5718978..html
They captured a child pornographer who also used PGP encryption on
his computer. Unfortunately the DA and the courts decided that the
statements by the victims were not enough to convict or something
so they ruled that simply having PGP encryption on your computer is
a sign that you're guilty of a crime.
Minnesota court takes dim view of encryption
By Declan McCullagh
http://news.com.com/Minnesota+court+takes+dim+view+of+encryption/2100-1030_
3-5718978.html
Story last modified Tue May 24 15:02:00 PDT 2005
A Minnesota appeals court has ruled that the presence of encryption
software on a computer may be viewed as evidence of criminal intent.
This is crazy.
The Silicon Valley corporation I worked for until 2000 used PGP
encryption to protect company secret information. Those of us who ever
worked from home had to have it installed on our machines.
That's big-brother: everything about you must be available to us
otherwise we'll presume you are guily of something because you don't
want us to know it
Welcome to Bush's America.
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31 May 2005 11:57:25 AM |
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"Peacenik" <cnelsonpublic@hotmail.com> wrote:
That's big-brother: everything about you must be available to us
otherwise we'll presume you are guily of something because you don't
want us to know it
Welcome to Bush's America.
Remember Carnivore? That took place before this fascist regime:
http://news.com.com/news/0-1005-200-2257522.html
The Scientology owned Earthlink ISP immediately jumpped to violate
American's Constitutional and civil rights. The fascists then claimed
they were no longer going to implement Carnivore:
http://www.linuxsecurity.com/content/view/108066/65/
But, of course, you know damn well the fascists still use it.
---
http://www.ElmerFudd.US/ http://www.notserver.com/
Scientology crooks: http://sf.irk.ru/www/ot3/otiii-gif.html
http://PerkinsTragedy.org http://www.rightard.org/
End Republican race hatred: http://www.thedarkwind.org/
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31 May 2005 08:54:44 AM |
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"Christopher A. Lee" wrote:
On Sun, 29 May 2005 17:26:32 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Fri, 27 May 2005 01:46:17 GMT, (Fredric L.
Rice) wrote:
http://news.com.com/Minnesota+court+takes+dim+view+of+encryption/2100-1030_3-5718978..html
They captured a child pornographer who also used PGP encryption on
his computer. Unfortunately the DA and the courts decided that the
statements by the victims were not enough to convict or something
so they ruled that simply having PGP encryption on your computer is
a sign that you're guilty of a crime.
Minnesota court takes dim view of encryption
By Declan McCullagh
http://news.com.com/Minnesota+court+takes+dim+view+of+encryption/2100-1030_3-5718978.html
Story last modified Tue May 24 15:02:00 PDT 2005
A Minnesota appeals court has ruled that the presence of encryption
software on a computer may be viewed as evidence of criminal intent.
This is crazy.
The Silicon Valley corporation I worked for until 2000 used PGP
encryption to protect company secret information. Those of us who ever
worked from home had to have it installed on our machines.
That's big-brother: everything about you must be available to us
otherwise we'll presume you are guily of something because you don't
want us to know it
The attitude is, "If you have nothing to hide, you won't mind if we come in to your home at any
time, day or night. You won't mind if we look at your incoming mail before you see it and read
any mail that you might send out. You won't mind if we tap your phone lines. If you have nothing
to hide, that is; if you do mind, then we will take it as proof of anti-social, if not criminal,
intent."
The really scary thing is that 20 years ago, we roundly condemned the Soviet Union for holding
that attitude.
--
Gregory Gadow
techbear@serv.net
http://www.serv.net/~techbear
"I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe
in one fewer god than you do. When you understand
why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you
will understand why I dismiss yours."
-Stephen F. Roberts
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| User: "Les Hellawell" |
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31 May 2005 10:02:37 AM |
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On Tue, 31 May 2005 06:54:44 -0700, Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net>
wrote:
"Christopher A. Lee" wrote:
On Sun, 29 May 2005 17:26:32 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Fri, 27 May 2005 01:46:17 GMT, (Fredric L.
Rice) wrote:
http://news.com.com/Minnesota+court+takes+dim+view+of+encryption/2100-1030_3-5718978..html
They captured a child pornographer who also used PGP encryption on
his computer. Unfortunately the DA and the courts decided that the
statements by the victims were not enough to convict or something
so they ruled that simply having PGP encryption on your computer is
a sign that you're guilty of a crime.
Minnesota court takes dim view of encryption
By Declan McCullagh
http://news.com.com/Minnesota+court+takes+dim+view+of+encryption/2100-1030_3-5718978.html
Story last modified Tue May 24 15:02:00 PDT 2005
A Minnesota appeals court has ruled that the presence of encryption
software on a computer may be viewed as evidence of criminal intent.
This is crazy.
The Silicon Valley corporation I worked for until 2000 used PGP
encryption to protect company secret information. Those of us who ever
worked from home had to have it installed on our machines.
That's big-brother: everything about you must be available to us
otherwise we'll presume you are guily of something because you don't
want us to know it
The attitude is, "If you have nothing to hide, you won't mind if we come in to your home at any
time, day or night. You won't mind if we look at your incoming mail before you see it and read
any mail that you might send out. You won't mind if we tap your phone lines. If you have nothing
to hide, that is; if you do mind, then we will take it as proof of anti-social, if not criminal,
intent."
The really scary thing is that 20 years ago, we roundly condemned the Soviet Union for holding
that attitude.
It used to be the right of every Englishman to proceed about his
business without let or hinderance. A Policeman could only stop a
person and demand he identify himself or search him if he had reason
to suspect he had, was, or about to, commit a crime. Now they can
stop us without such reason. Soon we will be required to carry
identity cards. Just because of a minority of religious nuts who think
they have the right to impose themselves and their religion on us.
I may have nothing to hide but I have much to defend beginning with
liberty and freedom of conscience and from religion.
--
Les Hellawell
greetings from
YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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31 May 2005 09:28:51 AM |
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On Tue, 31 May 2005 06:54:44 -0700, Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net>
wrote:
The attitude is, "If you have nothing to hide, you won't mind if we come in to your home at any
time, day or night. You won't mind if we look at your incoming mail before you see it and read
any mail that you might send out. You won't mind if we tap your phone lines. If you have nothing
to hide, that is; if you do mind, then we will take it as proof of anti-social, if not criminal,
intent."
The really scary thing is that 20 years ago, we roundly condemned the Soviet Union for holding
that attitude.
I know. It's scary. We're openly doing a lot of the things they did
which were "proof" how evil they were.
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| User: "stoney" |
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31 May 2005 08:56:21 AM |
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On Sun, 29 May 2005 20:39:30 -0400, Christopher A. Lee
<calee@optonline.net> wrote:
On Sun, 29 May 2005 17:26:32 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Fri, 27 May 2005 01:46:17 GMT, (Fredric L.
Rice) wrote:
http://news.com.com/Minnesota+court+takes+dim+view+of+encryption/2100-1030_3-5718978..html
They captured a child pornographer who also used PGP encryption on
his computer. Unfortunately the DA and the courts decided that the
statements by the victims were not enough to convict or something
so they ruled that simply having PGP encryption on your computer is
a sign that you're guilty of a crime.
Minnesota court takes dim view of encryption
By Declan McCullagh
http://news.com.com/Minnesota+court+takes+dim+view+of+encryption/2100-1030_3-5718978.html
Story last modified Tue May 24 15:02:00 PDT 2005
A Minnesota appeals court has ruled that the presence of encryption
software on a computer may be viewed as evidence of criminal intent.
This is crazy.
Yes, and no. The read I have on it indicates other factors must be
involved. Below is what I see as the key.
The court didn't say that police had unearthed any encrypted files or
how it would view the use of standard software like OS X's FileVault.
Rather, Levie's conviction was based on the in-person testimony of the
girl who said she was paid to pose nude, coupled with the history of
searches for "Lolitas" in Levie's Web browser.
/excerpt
The Silicon Valley corporation I worked for until 2000 used PGP
encryption to protect company secret information. Those of us who ever
worked from home had to have it installed on our machines.
I had thought the then newer releases, as well as now, had to have a
'back door' into them for the 'authorities.'
That's big-brother: everything about you must be available to us
otherwise we'll presume you are guily of something because you don't
want us to know it
Don't worry. If big-brother wants you they'll install things on your
computer during one of their no warrant or notification searches.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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