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Religions > Atheism |
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"david" |
| Date: |
10 Jan 2005 11:13:48 PM |
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usury debt |
In the name of Creator/God/Allah, in hopes for freedom peace love and
understanding for the good of all our relations worldwide.
I cannot help but remain hopeful for the future of all of God's creation
even when the future for so many might look bleak. Granted, the world
has a lot of problems and there are many who want to retain their power
over others for one reason or another, but despite this fact one should
always hope for better times so as to help those with the control
problems overcome them while ensuring the hungry get fed, clothed, and
housed, allthewhile enabling growth and prosperity for all regardless of
stated beliefs.
Without doubt, all will be judged at their time by Creator/God/Allah, so
why not work towards finding favor with God/Allah/Creator by helping
bring about peace on earth for the good growth of all? Anything less is
accepting the eternal hell of your own making.
With that said, I've found that all problems for everybody no matter the
location worldwide are always caused by money, no matter if the problem
is caused by too little or too much money, money is always at the root
of all problems.
Clearly, money has become a tool designed to create problems in order to
drive the health of money at the expense of humanity and all else around
us. We are led to believe that money is our lifesblood and that without
money we are powerless, helpless, poor and unable to feed, clothe, and
survive on our own. Many self identify with what they do for a living,
becoming a statistic in the process.
If indeed this is the case, why don't we simply re-examine the power
that money has over our lives and find a better way to survive, prosper
and grow with less money? I'm not saying we should become poor or force
ourselves to get used to lacking basics because clearly, that is not the
answer. Instead, we should examine what causes money to act as a
parasite that causes problems for everyone.
I believe the answer is in identifying what gives money its power over
us and work towards eliminating/abolishing the cause. I believe that
usury and debt are two components of money that need to gotten rid of.
Plain and simple, debt limits growth. Too much debt causes economies to
stagnate. Debt is created by usury, the interest on money. Usury debt is
clearly a parasite so why not talk about ways to eliminate/forgive debt
through the elimination of usury while recognizing that usury creates
the debt that strangles economies?
Think about it. Does too little debt restrict growth or does too much
debt restrict growth? The answer should be plain to see for all.
So why not simply tell our leaders to clear the books and begin anew?
All will prosper, and all will grow...debt free.
Don't you want more cash in your pocket? Don't you want more
'things'...? Don't you want to prosper? Don't you want to grow?
usuryfree.net
reformation.org/moneychangers.html
===
George Read thought the words [allowing the Federal government to "emit
bills of credit" i.e., print paper money], if not struck out [of the
Consitiution] would be as alarming as the mark of the Beast in Revelation.
— James Madison, Debates, 1787
=
Money is our madness, our vast collective madness.
And of course, if the multitude is mad
the individual carries his own grain of insanity around with him.
I doubt if any man living hands out a pound note without a pang;
and a real tremor, if he hands out a ten-pound note.
We quail, money makes us quail.
It has got us down, we grovel before it in strange terror.
And no wonder, for money has a fearful cruel power among men.
But it is not money we are so terrified of,
it is the collective money-madness of mankind.
For mankind says with one voice: How much is he worth?
Has he no money? Then let him eat dirt, and go cold. --
And if I have no money, they will give me a little bread so I do not die,
but they will make me eat dirt with it.
I shall have to eat dirt, I shall have to eat dirt
if I have no money. It is that that I am frightened of.
And that fear can become a delirium.
It is fear of my money-mad fellow-men.
We must have some money
to save us from eating dirt.
And this is all wrong.
Bread should be free,
shelter should be free,
fire should be free
to all and anybody, all and anybody, all over the world.
We must regain our sanity about money
before we start killing one another about it.
It's one thing or the other.
— D. H. Lawrence, Pansies, 1929
=
Almost any man knows how to earn money, but not one in a million knows
how to spend it. If he had known so much as this, he would never have
earned it.
— H. D. Thoreau, Waldon, 1837-46
=
hope this helps
pass it on
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| User: "Edgar Svendsen" |
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| Title: Re: usury debt |
11 Jan 2005 01:29:17 AM |
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"david" <dgordon@ak.net> wrote in message news:41E30C2C.9060903@ak.net...
In the name of Creator/God/Allah, in hopes for freedom peace love and
understanding for the good of all our relations worldwide.
I cannot help but remain hopeful for the future of all of God's creation
even when the future for so many might look bleak. Granted, the world has
a lot of problems and there are many who want to retain their power over
others for one reason or another, but despite this fact one should always
hope for better times so as to help those with the control problems
overcome them while ensuring the hungry get fed, clothed, and housed,
allthewhile enabling growth and prosperity for all regardless of stated
beliefs.
Without doubt, all will be judged at their time by Creator/God/Allah, so
why not work towards finding favor with God/Allah/Creator by helping bring
about peace on earth for the good growth of all? Anything less is
accepting the eternal hell of your own making.
With that said, I've found that all problems for everybody no matter the
location worldwide are always caused by money, no matter if the problem is
caused by too little or too much money, money is always at the root of all
problems.
Clearly, money has become a tool designed to create problems in order to
drive the health of money at the expense of humanity and all else around
us. We are led to believe that money is our lifesblood and that without
money we are powerless, helpless, poor and unable to feed, clothe, and
survive on our own. Many self identify with what they do for a living,
becoming a statistic in the process.
If indeed this is the case, why don't we simply re-examine the power that
money has over our lives and find a better way to survive, prosper and
grow with less money? I'm not saying we should become poor or force
ourselves to get used to lacking basics because clearly, that is not the
answer. Instead, we should examine what causes money to act as a parasite
that causes problems for everyone.
I believe the answer is in identifying what gives money its power over us
and work towards eliminating/abolishing the cause. I believe that usury
and debt are two components of money that need to gotten rid of. Plain and
simple, debt limits growth. Too much debt causes economies to stagnate.
Debt is created by usury, the interest on money. Usury debt is clearly a
parasite so why not talk about ways to eliminate/forgive debt through the
elimination of usury while recognizing that usury creates the debt that
strangles economies?
Think about it. Does too little debt restrict growth or does too much debt
restrict growth? The answer should be plain to see for all.
So why not simply tell our leaders to clear the books and begin anew? All
will prosper, and all will grow...debt free.
This seems harsh on the people who loaned money under the old system, my
uncle owes me quite a lot I loaned him to buy a house. Instead of wiping
the books clean why not allow current debts to be collected and start a new
future where all new loans are forbidden.. Banks, especially would be
forbidden to loan money. No one would be trapped in debt.
Ed
Don't you want more cash in your pocket? Don't you want more 'things'...?
Don't you want to prosper? Don't you want to grow?
usuryfree.net
reformation.org/moneychangers.html
===
George Read thought the words [allowing the Federal government to "emit
bills of credit" i.e., print paper money], if not struck out [of the
Consitiution] would be as alarming as the mark of the Beast in Revelation.
— James Madison, Debates, 1787
=
Money is our madness, our vast collective madness.
And of course, if the multitude is mad
the individual carries his own grain of insanity around with him.
I doubt if any man living hands out a pound note without a pang;
and a real tremor, if he hands out a ten-pound note.
We quail, money makes us quail.
It has got us down, we grovel before it in strange terror.
And no wonder, for money has a fearful cruel power among men.
But it is not money we are so terrified of,
it is the collective money-madness of mankind.
For mankind says with one voice: How much is he worth?
Has he no money? Then let him eat dirt, and go cold. --
And if I have no money, they will give me a little bread so I do not die,
but they will make me eat dirt with it.
I shall have to eat dirt, I shall have to eat dirt
if I have no money. It is that that I am frightened of.
And that fear can become a delirium.
It is fear of my money-mad fellow-men.
We must have some money
to save us from eating dirt.
And this is all wrong.
Bread should be free,
shelter should be free,
fire should be free
to all and anybody, all and anybody, all over the world.
We must regain our sanity about money
before we start killing one another about it.
It's one thing or the other.
— D. H. Lawrence, Pansies, 1929
=
Almost any man knows how to earn money, but not one in a million knows how
to spend it. If he had known so much as this, he would never have earned
it.
— H. D. Thoreau, Waldon, 1837-46
=
hope this helps
pass it on
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| User: "david" |
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| Title: Re: usury debt |
11 Jan 2005 02:27:08 AM |
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Edgar Svendsen wrote:
"david" <dgordon@ak.net> wrote in message news:41E30C2C.9060903@ak.net...
In the name of Creator/God/Allah, in hopes for freedom peace love and
understanding for the good of all our relations worldwide.
I cannot help but remain hopeful for the future of all of God's creation
even when the future for so many might look bleak. Granted, the world has
a lot of problems and there are many who want to retain their power over
others for one reason or another, but despite this fact one should always
hope for better times so as to help those with the control problems
overcome them while ensuring the hungry get fed, clothed, and housed,
allthewhile enabling growth and prosperity for all regardless of stated
beliefs.
Without doubt, all will be judged at their time by Creator/God/Allah, so
why not work towards finding favor with God/Allah/Creator by helping bring
about peace on earth for the good growth of all? Anything less is
accepting the eternal hell of your own making.
With that said, I've found that all problems for everybody no matter the
location worldwide are always caused by money, no matter if the problem is
caused by too little or too much money, money is always at the root of all
problems.
Clearly, money has become a tool designed to create problems in order to
drive the health of money at the expense of humanity and all else around
us. We are led to believe that money is our lifesblood and that without
money we are powerless, helpless, poor and unable to feed, clothe, and
survive on our own. Many self identify with what they do for a living,
becoming a statistic in the process.
If indeed this is the case, why don't we simply re-examine the power that
money has over our lives and find a better way to survive, prosper and
grow with less money? I'm not saying we should become poor or force
ourselves to get used to lacking basics because clearly, that is not the
answer. Instead, we should examine what causes money to act as a parasite
that causes problems for everyone.
I believe the answer is in identifying what gives money its power over us
and work towards eliminating/abolishing the cause. I believe that usury
and debt are two components of money that need to gotten rid of. Plain and
simple, debt limits growth. Too much debt causes economies to stagnate.
Debt is created by usury, the interest on money. Usury debt is clearly a
parasite so why not talk about ways to eliminate/forgive debt through the
elimination of usury while recognizing that usury creates the debt that
strangles economies?
Think about it. Does too little debt restrict growth or does too much debt
restrict growth? The answer should be plain to see for all.
So why not simply tell our leaders to clear the books and begin anew? All
will prosper, and all will grow...debt free.
This seems harsh on the people who loaned money under the old system, my
uncle owes me quite a lot I loaned him to buy a house. Instead of wiping
the books clean why not allow current debts to be collected and start a new
future where all new loans are forbidden.. Banks, especially would be
forbidden to loan money. No one would be trapped in debt.
Ed
By all means, forgive usury debt and only collect on the principle if
you so desire. But understand, those at the top of the pyramid are the
ones who need to wipe the usury debt slate clean first and foremost.
Don't you want more cash in your pocket? Don't you want more 'things'...?
Don't you want to prosper? Don't you want to grow?
usuryfree.net
reformation.org/moneychangers.html
===
George Read thought the words [allowing the Federal government to "emit
bills of credit" i.e., print paper money], if not struck out [of the
Consitiution] would be as alarming as the mark of the Beast in Revelation.
— James Madison, Debates, 1787
=
Money is our madness, our vast collective madness.
And of course, if the multitude is mad
the individual carries his own grain of insanity around with him.
I doubt if any man living hands out a pound note without a pang;
and a real tremor, if he hands out a ten-pound note.
We quail, money makes us quail.
It has got us down, we grovel before it in strange terror.
And no wonder, for money has a fearful cruel power among men.
But it is not money we are so terrified of,
it is the collective money-madness of mankind.
For mankind says with one voice: How much is he worth?
Has he no money? Then let him eat dirt, and go cold. --
And if I have no money, they will give me a little bread so I do not die,
but they will make me eat dirt with it.
I shall have to eat dirt, I shall have to eat dirt
if I have no money. It is that that I am frightened of.
And that fear can become a delirium.
It is fear of my money-mad fellow-men.
We must have some money
to save us from eating dirt.
And this is all wrong.
Bread should be free,
shelter should be free,
fire should be free
to all and anybody, all and anybody, all over the world.
We must regain our sanity about money
before we start killing one another about it.
It's one thing or the other.
— D. H. Lawrence, Pansies, 1929
=
Almost any man knows how to earn money, but not one in a million knows how
to spend it. If he had known so much as this, he would never have earned
it.
— H. D. Thoreau, Waldon, 1837-46
=
hope this helps
pass it on
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| User: "Anticorporation" |
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| Title: Re: usury debt |
11 Jan 2005 02:18:49 AM |
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"david" <dgordon@ak.net> wrote in message news:41E30C2C.9060903@ak.net...
In the name of Creator/God/Allah, in hopes for freedom peace love and
understanding for the good of all our relations worldwide.
I cannot help but remain hopeful for the future of all of God's creation
even when the future for so many might look bleak. Granted, the world has
a lot of problems and there are many who want to retain their power over
others for one reason or another, but despite this fact one should always
hope for better times so as to help those with the control problems
overcome them while ensuring the hungry get fed, clothed, and housed,
allthewhile enabling growth and prosperity for all regardless of stated
beliefs.
Without doubt, all will be judged at their time by Creator/God/Allah, so
why not work towards finding favor with God/Allah/Creator by helping bring
about peace on earth for the good growth of all? Anything less is
accepting the eternal hell of your own making.
With that said, I've found that all problems for everybody no matter the
location worldwide are always caused by money, no matter if the problem is
caused by too little or too much money, money is always at the root of all
problems.
Clearly, money has become a tool designed to create problems in order to
drive the health of money at the expense of humanity and all else around
us. We are led to believe that money is our lifesblood and that without
money we are powerless, helpless, poor and unable to feed, clothe, and
survive on our own. Many self identify with what they do for a living,
becoming a statistic in the process.
If indeed this is the case, why don't we simply re-examine the power that
money has over our lives and find a better way to survive, prosper and
grow with less money? I'm not saying we should become poor or force
ourselves to get used to lacking basics because clearly, that is not the
answer. Instead, we should examine what causes money to act as a parasite
that causes problems for everyone.
I believe the answer is in identifying what gives money its power over us
and work towards eliminating/abolishing the cause. I believe that usury
and debt are two components of money that need to gotten rid of. Plain and
simple, debt limits growth. Too much debt causes economies to stagnate.
Debt is created by usury, the interest on money. Usury debt is clearly a
parasite so why not talk about ways to eliminate/forgive debt through the
elimination of usury while recognizing that usury creates the debt that
strangles economies?
Think about it. Does too little debt restrict growth or does too much debt
restrict growth? The answer should be plain to see for all.
So why not simply tell our leaders to clear the books and begin anew? All
will prosper, and all will grow...debt free.
Don't you want more cash in your pocket? Don't you want more 'things'...?
Don't you want to prosper? Don't you want to grow?
usuryfree.net
reformation.org/moneychangers.html
===
George Read thought the words [allowing the Federal government to "emit
bills of credit" i.e., print paper money], if not struck out [of the
Consitiution] would be as alarming as the mark of the Beast in Revelation.
— James Madison, Debates, 1787
=
Money is our madness, our vast collective madness.
And of course, if the multitude is mad
the individual carries his own grain of insanity around with him.
I doubt if any man living hands out a pound note without a pang;
and a real tremor, if he hands out a ten-pound note.
We quail, money makes us quail.
It has got us down, we grovel before it in strange terror.
And no wonder, for money has a fearful cruel power among men.
But it is not money we are so terrified of,
it is the collective money-madness of mankind.
For mankind says with one voice: How much is he worth?
Has he no money? Then let him eat dirt, and go cold. --
And if I have no money, they will give me a little bread so I do not die,
but they will make me eat dirt with it.
I shall have to eat dirt, I shall have to eat dirt
if I have no money. It is that that I am frightened of.
And that fear can become a delirium.
It is fear of my money-mad fellow-men.
We must have some money
to save us from eating dirt.
And this is all wrong.
Bread should be free,
shelter should be free,
fire should be free
to all and anybody, all and anybody, all over the world.
We must regain our sanity about money
before we start killing one another about it.
It's one thing or the other.
— D. H. Lawrence, Pansies, 1929
=
Almost any man knows how to earn money, but not one in a million knows how
to spend it. If he had known so much as this, he would never have earned
it.
— H. D. Thoreau, Waldon, 1837-46
=
hope this helps
pass it on
Well, as long as everyone is passing this on......I would like to make
some crucial additions to help you in your quest for salvation, and do not
take it to lightly.
Without doubt, all will be judged at their time by
Creator/God/Allah/ANTICORPORATION so
why not work towards finding favor with God/Allah/Creator by helping
bring about peace on earth for the good growth of all? Anything less is
accepting the eternal hell of your own making.
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| User: "sanguinevikings" |
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| Title: Re: usury debt |
11 Jan 2005 11:21:28 AM |
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do not pass it on.
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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| Title: Re: usury debt |
11 Jan 2005 03:53:46 AM |
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On 10 Jan 2005, david dropped trou, farted, whirled, then shouted:
Without doubt, all will be judged at their time by Creator/God/Allah, so
why not work towards finding favor with God/Allah/Creator by helping
bring about peace on earth for the good growth of all? Anything less is
accepting the eternal hell of your own making.
As long as we have religion there will be no peace on Earth.
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
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Instead of school busing and prayer in schools, which are both
controversial, why not a joint solution? Prayer in buses. Just drive these
kids around all day and let them pray their fuckn' empty little heads off.
-- George Carlin
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| User: "david" |
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| Title: Re: usury debt |
11 Jan 2005 06:25:36 AM |
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Vic Sagerquist wrote:
On 10 Jan 2005, david dropped trou, farted, whirled, then shouted:
Without doubt, all will be judged at their time by Creator/God/Allah, so
why not work towards finding favor with God/Allah/Creator by helping
bring about peace on earth for the good growth of all? Anything less is
accepting the eternal hell of your own making.
As long as we have religion there will be no peace on Earth.
Religion is not the problem, unless the religion is founded on greed at
the expense of others. Usury debt is however, clearly the problem. The
love of money...is the root for all evil.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/analysis_mark_020503_money.html
War is a racket. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few at the
expense of the masses. -- Smedley Butler [usmc general]
http://www.fas.org/man/smedley.htm
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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| Title: Re: usury debt |
11 Jan 2005 06:45:25 AM |
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On 10 Jan 2005, david dropped trou, farted, whirled, then shouted:
Vic Sagerquist wrote:
On 10 Jan 2005, david dropped trou, farted, whirled, then shouted:
Without doubt, all will be judged at their time by Creator/God/Allah,
so why not work towards finding favor with God/Allah/Creator by
helping bring about peace on earth for the good growth of all?
Anything less is accepting the eternal hell of your own making.
As long as we have religion there will be no peace on Earth.
Religion is not the problem, unless the religion is founded on greed
at the expense of others. Usury debt is however, clearly the problem.
The love of money...is the root for all evil.
There is nothing wrong with the love of money. It's the lack of it that
creates problems.
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
--------
Instead of school busing and prayer in schools, which are both
controversial, why not a joint solution? Prayer in buses. Just drive
these kids around all day and let them pray their fuckn' empty little
heads off.
-- George Carlin
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| User: "david" |
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| Title: Re: usury debt |
11 Jan 2005 07:54:14 PM |
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Vic Sagerquist wrote:
On 10 Jan 2005, david dropped trou, farted, whirled, then shouted:
Vic Sagerquist wrote:
On 10 Jan 2005, david dropped trou, farted, whirled, then shouted:
Without doubt, all will be judged at their time by Creator/God/Allah,
so why not work towards finding favor with God/Allah/Creator by
helping bring about peace on earth for the good growth of all?
Anything less is accepting the eternal hell of your own making.
As long as we have religion there will be no peace on Earth.
Religion is not the problem, unless the religion is founded on greed
at the expense of others. Usury debt is however, clearly the problem.
The love of money...is the root for all evil.
There is nothing wrong with the love of money. It's the lack of it that
creates problems.
The love of money is manifested as usury/greed. Usury, is greed. Greed
is a sickness/disease. Do you not want to get well?
If you truly believe usury or greed in any form is not a problem then
clearly, you have failed to learn childhood lessons.
Does freedom from usury frighten you? If so, why?
The love of money is the mother-city of all evils.
— Diogenes, Apothegm, c.350 BC
Money is the sinews of war.
— Tacitus, Cicero, Plato, Massinger, James Payn, Libanius, James VI of
Scotland, Arthur Murphy, Plutarch, John Lyly, George Peele, George
Farquhar, Carlyle, Thomas Fuller, John Fletcher, Rabelias, Arthur Hull,
O. Henry, Michael Scott, etc., etc.
Read the Holy Koran to gain further insight.
hope this helps
pass it on
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| User: "Ugly Bob" |
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| Title: Re: usury debt |
16 Jan 2005 05:33:41 AM |
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"david" <dgordon@ak.net> wrote in message news:41E42EE6.1070405@ak.net...
Vic Sagerquist wrote:
On 10 Jan 2005, david dropped trou, farted, whirled, then shouted:
Vic Sagerquist wrote:
On 10 Jan 2005, david dropped trou, farted, whirled, then shouted:
Without doubt, all will be judged at their time by Creator/God/Allah,
so why not work towards finding favor with God/Allah/Creator by
helping bring about peace on earth for the good growth of all?
Anything less is accepting the eternal hell of your own making.
As long as we have religion there will be no peace on Earth.
Religion is not the problem, unless the religion is founded on greed
at the expense of others. Usury debt is however, clearly the problem.
The love of money...is the root for all evil.
There is nothing wrong with the love of money. It's the lack of it that
creates problems.
The love of money is manifested as usury/greed. Usury, is greed. Greed is
a sickness/disease. Do you not want to get well?
If you truly believe usury or greed in any form is not a problem then
clearly, you have failed to learn childhood lessons.
Does freedom from usury frighten you? If so, why?
The love of money is the mother-city of all evils.
— Diogenes, Apothegm, c.350 BC
Money is the sinews of war.
— Tacitus, Cicero, Plato, Massinger, James Payn, Libanius, James VI of
Scotland, Arthur Murphy, Plutarch, John Lyly, George Peele, George
Farquhar, Carlyle, Thomas Fuller, John Fletcher, Rabelias, Arthur Hull, O.
Henry, Michael Scott, etc., etc.
Read the Holy Koran to gain further insight.
hope this helps
pass it on
We in the west do not generally submit to the Shariah but if you
want to, that's fine. Anyone that tries to impose it will meet with
opposition.
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| User: "david" |
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| Title: Re: usury debt |
17 Jan 2005 05:32:09 AM |
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Ugly Bob wrote:
"david" <dgordon@ak.net> wrote in message news:41E42EE6.1070405@ak.net...
Vic Sagerquist wrote:
On 10 Jan 2005, david dropped trou, farted, whirled, then shouted:
Vic Sagerquist wrote:
On 10 Jan 2005, david dropped trou, farted, whirled, then shouted:
Without doubt, all will be judged at their time by Creator/God/Allah,
so why not work towards finding favor with God/Allah/Creator by
helping bring about peace on earth for the good growth of all?
Anything less is accepting the eternal hell of your own making.
As long as we have religion there will be no peace on Earth.
Religion is not the problem, unless the religion is founded on greed
at the expense of others. Usury debt is however, clearly the problem.
The love of money...is the root for all evil.
There is nothing wrong with the love of money. It's the lack of it that
creates problems.
The love of money is manifested as usury/greed. Usury, is greed. Greed is
a sickness/disease. Do you not want to get well?
If you truly believe usury or greed in any form is not a problem then
clearly, you have failed to learn childhood lessons.
Does freedom from usury frighten you? If so, why?
The love of money is the mother-city of all evils.
— Diogenes, Apothegm, c.350 BC
Money is the sinews of war.
— Tacitus, Cicero, Plato, Massinger, James Payn, Libanius, James VI of
Scotland, Arthur Murphy, Plutarch, John Lyly, George Peele, George
Farquhar, Carlyle, Thomas Fuller, John Fletcher, Rabelias, Arthur Hull, O.
Henry, Michael Scott, etc., etc.
Read the Holy Koran to gain further insight.
hope this helps
pass it on
We in the west do not generally submit to the Shariah but if you
want to, that's fine. Anyone that tries to impose it will meet with
opposition.
I take it you prefer the monied rule of monied law? Have you not heard?
The monied rule of monied law is corrupt and steeped in evil to the core
and is designed to enslave YOU to the power of monied evil at YOUR expense.
Why do you oppose common sense solutions that will enable all to prosper
and grow with justice for all?
Are you an atheist? A capitalist? A nihilist? A freedom hater? A
fraternalist? All of the above?
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Here is a good overview of what the Shari'ah is for your enlightenment
in case you are ill-informed:
The overall theme of the Shari’ah and its various specific provisions
are largely determined by the way Islam resolves the perennial question
of tension between the individual and society and the fundamental and
crucial role it assigns to the family.
The concept of the individual and the emphasis on his achievement is not
the product of modern Western thought, as many people have tried to make
the world believe. The individual has always been the cornerstone in
Islam’s total scheme and plan of justice, though in a way fundamentally
different from the Western concept. His status and achievement neither
depend upon nor can be measured by the standards of ‘consumption’. In
the sight of God, real human progress is moral, not material; its real
measure is possible in the life Hereafter, not in this world.
This theme is so patently obvious and prominent in the Qur’an that it
requires no substantiation. On the Day of Judgement, it will be
individuals in their personal capacities, and not groups and societies,
who will be held fully responsible and accountable for what they have
done in their earthly lives. ‘Everyone of them will come to Him on the
Day of Resurrection, all alone’ (Maryam 19:95). And: ‘Now you have come
to Us, alone, just as We created you the first time!’(al-An’am 6:94).
This is because it is the individual who has been given free will, a
moral sense and the knowledge of right and wrong. It is therefore also
important that he should be fully enabled to achieve his purpose and
realise his potential. This seems to be the primary thread running
through the entire fabric of the Shari’ah. His life, person, freedom,
possessions and honor are sacred and inviolable: no human being, not
even the most powerful ruler, has the right, privilege or authority,
unless acting in accordance with the law of God, to take anyone’s life,
harm anyone physically, take away their possessions or violate their honor.
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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11 Jan 2005 08:35:48 PM |
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on 11 Jan 2005 in alt.atheism, david dropped trou, farted, whirled, then
shouted:
Vic Sagerquist wrote:
On 10 Jan 2005, david dropped trou, farted, whirled, then shouted:
Vic Sagerquist wrote:
On 10 Jan 2005, david dropped trou, farted, whirled, then shouted:
Without doubt, all will be judged at their time by
Creator/God/Allah, so why not work towards finding favor with
God/Allah/Creator by helping bring about peace on earth for the
good growth of all? Anything less is accepting the eternal hell of
your own making.
As long as we have religion there will be no peace on Earth.
Religion is not the problem, unless the religion is founded on greed
at the expense of others. Usury debt is however, clearly the problem.
The love of money...is the root for all evil.
There is nothing wrong with the love of money. It's the lack of it
that creates problems.
The love of money is manifested as usury/greed. Usury, is greed. Greed
is a sickness/disease. Do you not want to get well?
When I have money I can keep a roof over my family's heads, feed them,
support them, and make life nice for us. If this means I am diseased, then
that's what I want to be.
If you truly believe usury or greed in any form is not a problem then
clearly, you have failed to learn childhood lessons.
But then again, avoiding money is plain stupid.
Does freedom from usury frighten you? If so, why?
It takes money to make it in this world, to live comfortably, to avoid the
anxiety of having bill collectors calling you all the time. Besides, it's
fun to watch your neighbors "not look" at the new car on your driveway.
[snip]
Read the Holy Koran to gain further insight.
Oh, I get it. You're an idiot.
hope this helps
More than you know.
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
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Why is it that most of the people who are against abortion are the kind of
people you wouldn't want to ***** in the first place?
--George Carlin
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| User: "david" |
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| Title: Re: usury debt |
12 Jan 2005 02:55:11 AM |
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Vic Sagerquist wrote:
on 11 Jan 2005 in alt.atheism, david dropped trou, farted, whirled, then
shouted:
Vic Sagerquist wrote:
On 10 Jan 2005, david dropped trou, farted, whirled, then shouted:
Vic Sagerquist wrote:
On 10 Jan 2005, david dropped trou, farted, whirled, then shouted:
Without doubt, all will be judged at their time by
Creator/God/Allah, so why not work towards finding favor with
God/Allah/Creator by helping bring about peace on earth for the
good growth of all? Anything less is accepting the eternal hell of
your own making.
As long as we have religion there will be no peace on Earth.
Religion is not the problem, unless the religion is founded on greed
at the expense of others. Usury debt is however, clearly the problem.
The love of money...is the root for all evil.
There is nothing wrong with the love of money. It's the lack of it
that creates problems.
The love of money is manifested as usury/greed. Usury, is greed. Greed
is a sickness/disease. Do you not want to get well?
When I have money I can keep a roof over my family's heads, feed them,
support them, and make life nice for us. If this means I am diseased, then
that's what I want to be.
Wouldn't you rather have more things at less cost that would benefit you
and your family? If so, why not talk about abolishing usury debt in
order to get more nice things for you and yours?
If you truly believe usury or greed in any form is not a problem then
clearly, you have failed to learn childhood lessons.
But then again, avoiding money is plain stupid.
Not talking about avoiding money. Talking about avoiding usury debt.
Does freedom from usury frighten you? If so, why?
It takes money to make it in this world, to live comfortably, to avoid the
anxiety of having bill collectors calling you all the time. Besides, it's
fun to watch your neighbors "not look" at the new car on your driveway.
Again, not talking about money, talking about usury debt. Do you
understand the difference?
[snip]
Read the Holy Koran to gain further insight.
Oh, I get it. You're an idiot.
Personally, I am usury debt free. Are you?
hope this helps
More than you know.
Sounds like a good thing. Glad to help.
Peace and Love.
usuryfree.net
reformation.org/moneychangers.html
The love of money[usury] is the root for all evil.
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| User: "Levy Oates" |
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11 Jan 2005 07:23:43 AM |
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On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 14:13:48 -0900, david <dgordon@ak.net> wrote:
I believe that
usury and debt are two components of money that need to gotten rid of.
We Bumblists are well ahead of you here:
http://www.angelfire.com/alt/bumblism/usury.html
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Levy Oates
http://www.angelfire.com/alt/bumblism/
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| User: "Lady Chatterly" |
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| Title: Re: usury debt |
11 Jan 2005 10:31:01 AM |
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In article <mgv6u0tbl88rie2q35tndj4ie3reetpf1h@4ax.com>
Levy Oates <levy_oates@hotmail.com> wrote:
We Bumblists are well ahead of you here:
They mate and reproduce like minks.
--
Lady Chatterly
"LC pistol whips the poove" -- Peter Hood
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: usury debt |
18 Jan 2005 08:32:48 PM |
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On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 14:13:48 -0900, david <dgordon@ak.net> wrote:
In the name of Creator/God/Allah,
***** orf yer bleedn' wanker.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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| User: "pensul" |
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| Title: Re: usury debt |
12 Jan 2005 05:19:59 AM |
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["Followup-To:" header set to alt.atheism.]
So why not simply tell our leaders to clear the books and begin anew?
Because they will begin to do the same thing all over again.
--
"The world of existence is an emanation of the merciful attribute of God."
Abdul-Baha
http://www.costarricense.cr/pagina/ernobe
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| User: "david" |
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12 Jan 2005 06:47:21 AM |
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pensul wrote:
["Followup-To:" header set to alt.atheism.]
So why not simply tell our leaders to clear the books and begin anew?
Because they will begin to do the same thing all over again.
Don't buy into their scam the next time around.
or
Every 7 years forgive all debt and start fresh again. Nobody loses
anything they gained in those seven years, except for the usurists.
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| User: "wcb" |
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| Title: Re: usury debt |
10 Jan 2005 05:49:10 PM |
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david wrote:
In the name of Creator/God/Allah, in hopes for freedom peace love and
understanding for the good of all our relations worldwide.
Clearly, money has become a tool designed to create problems in order to
drive the health of money at the expense of humanity and all else around
us.
The problem isn't money, but lack of it.
Islam whereever it is seemed to give nothing but poverty.
It was a pirate religion created by Mohammed, a thief and pirate, who did
not understand money. Like most pirates of his day, when he started
as a small usinessman he hated paying interest.
Which is why Islam ans interest.
But that does not work. Which is why the West is rich and Islamic
nations are not.
Pakistan, in its ignorance, has banned interest and all the usual dodges
used to get around that in Islmaic countries.
But it won't work.
After many years of invading other countries and stealing everything
not nailed down, and enslaving millions and selling them for money, Islam
ran out of military ability to do this and collapsed into irrelevancy.
That Mohammed's way failed shows Islam is not from god, but the invention of
a fraud. Islam never built, never learned to manage money never was
anything ut a pirate faux religion.
When Islam shows it can do better, call on us. Until then, bugger off.
If it wasn't for oil, Islam would collectively be nothing but goat herders
and rug merchants. Don't lecture us on things you don't understand.
--
Cheerful Charlie
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| User: "david" |
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11 Jan 2005 08:07:43 PM |
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wcb wrote:
david wrote:
In the name of Creator/God/Allah, in hopes for freedom peace love and
understanding for the good of all our relations worldwide.
Clearly, money has become a tool designed to create problems in order to
drive the health of money at the expense of humanity and all else around
us.
The problem isn't money, but lack of it.
If that be the case, why not simply flood the free market with free
money for all?
Islam whereever it is seemed to give nothing but poverty.
It was a pirate religion created by Mohammed, a thief and pirate, who did
not understand money. Like most pirates of his day, when he started
as a small usinessman he hated paying interest.
Which is why Islam ans interest.
But that does not work. Which is why the West is rich and Islamic
nations are not.
I hate to be the one to burst your bubble, but the West is bankrupt.
Mark 8:36 For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole
world, and lose his own soul?
Pakistan, in its ignorance, has banned interest and all the usual dodges
used to get around that in Islmaic countries.
But it won't work.
And your credentials to opine such as you do are...?
After many years of invading other countries and stealing everything
not nailed down, and enslaving millions and selling them for money, Islam
ran out of military ability to do this and collapsed into irrelevancy.
Perhaps you are confusing pre-Islam with post-Islam...?
That Mohammed's way failed shows Islam is not from god, but the invention of
a fraud. Islam never built, never learned to manage money never was
anything ut a pirate faux religion.
Islam is against usury because Creator/God/Allah stated as much. Jesus
Christ said the same thing. Who is in error here? You, or God?
When Islam shows it can do better, call on us. Until then, bugger off.
If it wasn't for oil, Islam would collectively be nothing but goat herders
and rug merchants. Don't lecture us on things you don't understand.
--
Cheerful Charlie
Who appointed you God Charlie? God?
There are none so blind as those who refuse to see...
usuryfree.net
reformation.org/moneychangers.html
Read the Holy Koran in order to gain insight for what you clearly do not
understand.
Peace and Love
d
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| User: "Bill" |
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| Title: Re: usury debt |
11 Jan 2005 10:29:08 PM |
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"david" <dgordon@ak.net> wrote in message news:41E4320F.305@ak.net...
wcb wrote:
david wrote:
In the name of Creator/God/Allah, in hopes for freedom peace love and
understanding for the good of all our relations worldwide.
Clearly, money has become a tool designed to create problems in order to
drive the health of money at the expense of humanity and all else around
us.
The problem isn't money, but lack of it.
If that be the case, why not simply flood the free market with free
money for all?
That's known as "counterfit" which is illegal.
Islam whereever it is seemed to give nothing but poverty.
It was a pirate religion created by Mohammed, a thief and pirate, who
did
not understand money. Like most pirates of his day, when he started
as a small usinessman he hated paying interest.
Which is why Islam ans interest.
But that does not work. Which is why the West is rich and Islamic
nations are not.
I hate to be the one to burst your bubble, but the West is bankrupt.
And your proof for this claim is?
Mark 8:36 For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole
world, and lose his own soul?
Pakistan, in its ignorance, has banned interest and all the usual dodges
used to get around that in Islmaic countries.
But it won't work.
And your credentials to opine such as you do are...?
After many years of invading other countries and stealing everything
not nailed down, and enslaving millions and selling them for money,
Islam
ran out of military ability to do this and collapsed into irrelevancy.
Perhaps you are confusing pre-Islam with post-Islam...?
That Mohammed's way failed shows Islam is not from god, but the
invention of
a fraud. Islam never built, never learned to manage money never was
anything ut a pirate faux religion.
Islam is against usury because Creator/God/Allah stated as much. Jesus
Christ said the same thing. Who is in error here? You, or God?
How can a non-existent entity be right or wrong??
When Islam shows it can do better, call on us. Until then, bugger off.
If it wasn't for oil, Islam would collectively be nothing but goat
herders
and rug merchants. Don't lecture us on things you don't understand.
--
Cheerful Charlie
Who appointed you God Charlie? God?
There are none so blind as those who refuse to see...
usuryfree.net
reformation.org/moneychangers.html
Read the Holy Koran in order to gain insight for what you clearly do not
understand.
The Koran and Bible are books of fables - not facts.
Peace and Love
d
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| User: "david" |
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| Title: Re: usury debt |
12 Jan 2005 02:37:20 AM |
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Bill wrote:
"david" <dgordon@ak.net> wrote in message news:41E4320F.305@ak.net...
wcb wrote:
david wrote:
In the name of Creator/God/Allah, in hopes for freedom peace love and
understanding for the good of all our relations worldwide.
Clearly, money has become a tool designed to create problems in order to
drive the health of money at the expense of humanity and all else around
us.
The problem isn't money, but lack of it.
If that be the case, why not simply flood the free market with free
money for all?
That's known as "counterfit" which is illegal.
Islam whereever it is seemed to give nothing but poverty.
It was a pirate religion created by Mohammed, a thief and pirate, who
did
not understand money. Like most pirates of his day, when he started
as a small usinessman he hated paying interest.
Which is why Islam ans interest.
But that does not work. Which is why the West is rich and Islamic
nations are not.
I hate to be the one to burst your bubble, but the West is bankrupt.
And your proof for this claim is?
United States Congressional Record - March 17, 1993 - Vol. #33, page
H-1303 - Speaker- Rep. James Traficant, Jr. (Ohio) addressing the House:
"Mr. Speaker, we are here now in chapter 11. Members of Congress are
official trustees presiding over the greatest reorganization of any
Bankrupt entity in world history, the U.S. Government. We are setting
forth hopefully, a blueprint for our future. There are some who say it
is a coroner's report that will lead to our demise."
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/ARTICLE2/doodoo.html
Mark 8:36 For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole
world, and lose his own soul?
Pakistan, in its ignorance, has banned interest and all the usual dodges
used to get around that in Islmaic countries.
But it won't work.
And your credentials to opine such as you do are...?
After many years of invading other countries and stealing everything
not nailed down, and enslaving millions and selling them for money,
Islam
ran out of military ability to do this and collapsed into irrelevancy.
Perhaps you are confusing pre-Islam with post-Islam...?
That Mohammed's way failed shows Islam is not from god, but the
invention of
a fraud. Islam never built, never learned to manage money never was
anything ut a pirate faux religion.
Islam is against usury because Creator/God/Allah stated as much. Jesus
Christ said the same thing. Who is in error here? You, or God?
How can a non-existent entity be right or wrong??
The evidence that God exists is all around you and in you. If you claim
God does not exist, you claim you and your surroundings do not exist.
Clearly, you are blind. If God did not create you and your surroundings,
who or what did?
When Islam shows it can do better, call on us. Until then, bugger off.
If it wasn't for oil, Islam would collectively be nothing but goat
herders
and rug merchants. Don't lecture us on things you don't understand.
--
Cheerful Charlie
Who appointed you God Charlie? God?
There are none so blind as those who refuse to see...
usuryfree.net
reformation.org/moneychangers.html
Read the Holy Koran in order to gain insight for what you clearly do not
understand.
The Koran and Bible are books of fables - not facts.
Prove your assertion then. Ask a scientific biblical scholar for help if
you need to.
Peace and Love
d
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| User: "curtis" |
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| Title: Re: usury debt |
12 Jan 2005 02:22:03 AM |
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david wrote:
In the name of Creator/God/Allah, in hopes for freedom peace love and
understanding for the good of all our relations worldwide.
You commit domestic violence then preach about peace?
http://tinyurl.com/6gxu2
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