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"J Young" |
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10 Jul 2005 11:32:56 PM |
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Vatican: condoms don't stop Aids |
Abstinence is still the best policy, if you are in one of the risk
catagories. Can't catch anything if you aren't doing anything. It's by
far the most successful method of birth control; which is not such a
bad idea in Africa and parts of Asia. Healthier people, less people,
more food and less diseases to go around. That's a sound policy that
works and once again, the pontiff promotes life.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/aids/story/0,7369,1059068,00.html
Vatican: condoms don't stop Aids
The Catholic Church is telling people in countries stricken by Aids not
to use condoms because they have tiny holes in them through which HIV
can pass - potentially exposing thousands of people to risk.
The church is making the claims across four continents despite a
widespread scientific consensus that condoms are impermeable to HIV.
A senior Vatican spokesman backs the claims about permeable condoms,
despite assurances by the World Health Organisation that they are
untrue.
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| User: "Mickey" |
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| Title: Re: Vatican: condoms don't stop Aids |
11 Jul 2005 11:52:53 AM |
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"bam" <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote in message
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"quibbler" <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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In article <1121056376.355199.318780@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
youngopinions@aol.com says...
Abstinence is still the best policy,
*****. It's like saying that the best policy to combat crime is just
telling people "don't do it", without any other enforcement or fallback
plan.
A completey ridiculous analogy.
Nope, a completely valid analogy which you ducked, like you duck everything
else.
But the blind can't see.
Nope, and Jesus the faker has his hands over your eyes.
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| User: "quibbler" |
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| Title: Re: Vatican: condoms don't stop Aids |
11 Jul 2005 01:09:16 PM |
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In article <2CwAe.58286$ho.34385@bignews6.bellsouth.net>,
mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net says...
"quibbler" <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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In article <1121056376.355199.318780@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
youngopinions@aol.com says...
Abstinence is still the best policy,
*****. It's like saying that the best policy to combat crime is just
telling people "don't do it", without any other enforcement or fallback
plan.
A completey ridiculous analogy.
It's the "Obstinence Only" policies which are ridiculous and the
analogies only illustrate the ridiculous nature of those policies. But
please do elaborate on why you think the example is inappropriate,
presuming that you have the intellectual capacity to write more than a
single sentence, that is.
But the blind can't see.
You have hereby won the "No-Fucking-***** Award" for July 11, 2005 with
all the rights and privileges that your Mastery of the Obvious entails.
Please explain if you actually had to consult a dictionary and/or other
reference material before determining that the word "blind" implies
that one "can't see".
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Quibbler (quibbler247atyahoo.com)
"It is fashionable to wax apocalyptic about the
threat to humanity posed by the AIDS virus, 'mad cow'
disease, and many others, but I think a case can be
made that faith is one of the world's great evils,
comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to
eradicate." -- Richard Dawkins
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| User: "quibbler" |
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| Title: Re: Bullet Proof Vests Don't Work 100% of the time EITHER! |
11 Jul 2005 02:03:07 PM |
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In article <1121056376.355199.318780@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
youngopinions@aol.com says...
Vatican: condoms don't stop Aids
Bullet proof vests aren't perfect. By the "logic" of the "Obstinance
Only" crowd, all police and soldiers should abstain from wearing bullet
proof vests and other body armor. Instead they should just adopt the
"policy" of never getting show. Never getting shot works 100% of the
time so long as you are never hit by a bullet, but it sure doesn't do
much when a bullet actually does hit you.
--
Quibbler (quibbler247atyahoo.com)
"It is fashionable to wax apocalyptic about the
threat to humanity posed by the AIDS virus, 'mad cow'
disease, and many others, but I think a case can be
made that faith is one of the world's great evils,
comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to
eradicate." -- Richard Dawkins
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| User: "leo" |
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| Title: Re: Vatican: condoms don't stop Aids |
11 Jul 2005 02:14:29 AM |
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J Young ha escrito:
Abstinence is still the best policy, if you are in one of the risk
catagories. Can't catch anything if you aren't doing anything. It's by
far the most successful method of birth control; which is not such a
bad idea in Africa and parts of Asia. Healthier people, less people,
more food and less diseases to go around. That's a sound policy that
works and once again, the pontiff promotes life.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/aids/story/0,7369,1059068,00.html
Vatican: condoms don't stop Aids
The Catholic Church is telling people in countries stricken by Aids not
to use condoms because they have tiny holes in them through which HIV
can pass - potentially exposing thousands of people to risk.
The church is making the claims across four continents despite a
widespread scientific consensus that condoms are impermeable to HIV.
A senior Vatican spokesman backs the claims about permeable condoms,
despite assurances by the World Health Organisation that they are
untrue.
They are a bunch of liers as always with fundies.
Even if condon could break, even if it had tiny holes, the probability
for this is much smaller than the condon being in good condition.
But thinking about abstinence, what is more probable to fail, our will
of abstinence or a condon to break?
leo
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Vatican: condoms don't stop Aids |
11 Jul 2005 10:07:20 AM |
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J Young wrote:
Abstinence is still the best policy, if you are in one of the risk
catagories. Can't catch anything if you aren't doing anything. It's by
far the most successful method of birth control; which is not such a
bad idea in Africa and parts of Asia. Healthier people, less people,
more food and less diseases to go around. That's a sound policy that
works and once again, the pontiff promotes life.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/aids/story/0,7369,1059068,00.html
Vatican: condoms don't stop Aids
The Catholic Church is telling people in countries stricken by Aids not
to use condoms because they have tiny holes in them through which HIV
can pass - potentially exposing thousands of people to risk.
The church is making the claims across four continents despite a
widespread scientific consensus that condoms are impermeable to HIV.
A senior Vatican spokesman backs the claims about permeable condoms,
despite assurances by the World Health Organisation that they are
untrue.
So if a woman is told to have sex by her husband, she shouldn't bother
asking him to use a condom - because it "wouldn't do any good"? This is
how most women in Africa get AIDS. This policy of the church is killing
good wives and sometimes their children.
This clearly shows that the antichoice stance of the church is not
sympathy for the "little babies", the fetuses. It's fear that women
might have sex outside marriage and "get away with it". They are
willing to kill any number of people (even women and children who are
innocent of unapproved sex) if it discourages someone, somewhere, from
having sex and going unpunished.
Kermit
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| User: "Malcolm" |
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| Title: Re: Vatican: condoms don't stop Aids |
12 Jul 2005 05:20:45 PM |
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<unrestrained_hand@hotmail.com> wrote
So if a woman is told to have sex by her husband, she shouldn't bother
asking him to use a condom - because it "wouldn't do any good"? This is
how most women in Africa get AIDS. This policy of the church is killing
good wives and sometimes their children.
Unless they use a condom every single time, it won't do any good.
This clearly shows that the antichoice stance of the church is not
sympathy for the "little babies", the fetuses. It's fear that women
might have sex outside marriage and "get away with it". They are
willing to kill any number of people (even women and children who are
innocent of unapproved sex) if it discourages someone, somewhere, from
having sex and going unpunished.
Exactly. When you've got promiscuous men consorting with prostitutes the
situation is bad enough. If the women start sleeping around as well, it will
get a whole lot worse.
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| User: "bam" |
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| Title: Re: Vatican: condoms don't stop Aids |
11 Jul 2005 10:55:29 AM |
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<unrestrained_hand@hotmail.com> wrote
So if a woman is told to have sex by her husband, she shouldn't bother
asking him to use a condom - because it "wouldn't do any good"? This is
how most women in Africa get AIDS. This policy of the church is killing
good wives and sometimes their children.
Totally ridiculous.
Give us the statistic that shows that AIDS is spread primarily through sex
among married couples.
Or else shut your ignorant trap.
BAM
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| User: "Mickey" |
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| Title: Re: Vatican: condoms don't stop Aids |
11 Jul 2005 11:55:12 AM |
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"bam" <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote in message
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<unrestrained_hand@hotmail.com> wrote
So if a woman is told to have sex by her husband, she shouldn't bother
asking him to use a condom - because it "wouldn't do any good"? This is
how most women in Africa get AIDS. This policy of the church is killing
good wives and sometimes their children.
Totally ridiculous.
You certainly are.
Give us the statistic that shows that AIDS is spread primarily through sex
among married couples.
Ais is spread PRIMARILY in developing countries, where customs of marriage
are FAR different. Of course, those people are mostly black and poor, so you
don't give a ***** about them. You're a sick puppy.
Or else shut your ignorant trap.
What a wonderful suggestion that is, it's a shame you won't.
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| User: "bam" |
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| Title: Re: Vatican: condoms don't stop Aids |
11 Jul 2005 12:14:00 PM |
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"Mickey" <mickeyb@comcast.net> wrote
Ais is spread PRIMARILY in developing countries, where customs of marriage
are FAR different.
Really? tell me about marriage customs in Africa, Dr. Anthropology.
Of course, those people are mostly black and poor, so you
don't give a ***** about them. You're a sick puppy.
You want to prevent procreation or abort them.
So don't give me any more of your crap, punk.
BAM
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| User: "Mickey" |
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11 Jul 2005 12:23:26 PM |
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"bam" <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote in message
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"Mickey" <mickeyb@comcast.net> wrote
Ais is spread PRIMARILY in developing countries, where customs of
marriage
are FAR different.
Really? tell me about marriage customs in Africa, Dr. Anthropology.
Of course, those people are mostly black and poor, so you
don't give a ***** about them. You're a sick puppy.
You want to prevent procreation or abort them.
So don't give me any more of your crap, punk.
Or what? You'll beat me to death with a Bible? He's a clue for you, I still
have the hammer, and enough nails to tack up a load of you fanatics.
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| User: "Larry Heath" |
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| Title: Re: Vatican: condoms don't stop Aids |
11 Jul 2005 04:35:26 PM |
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"Mickey" <mickeyb@comcast.net> wrote in message
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"bam" <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote in message
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"Mickey" <mickeyb@comcast.net> wrote
Ais is spread PRIMARILY in developing countries, where customs of
marriage
are FAR different.
Really? tell me about marriage customs in Africa, Dr. Anthropology.
Of course, those people are mostly black and poor, so you
don't give a ***** about them. You're a sick puppy.
You want to prevent procreation or abort them.
So don't give me any more of your crap, punk.
Or what? You'll beat me to death with a Bible? He's a clue for you, I
still
have the hammer, and enough nails to tack up a load of you fanatics.
If my quess is right Bryan will try to beat you to death with his Ukulele!
http://www.fleamarketmusic.com/directory/player.asp?ID=385
http://www.usenetreligion.com/t-704140.html
"bam" <mcca5761@bellsouth.net> spake thusly and wrote:
"Pastor Steve Winter" <steve.NO--SPAM@prime.org> wrote
The Mother of harlots is fishing for fools when she claims Peter
as a "pope" when she does not obey what Peter taught.
Shaddap you fat old hebe.
BAM
The gutless anon false-christian scum "bambi" doesn't like to see
his sacred cows (or god cookies either) run through the Biblical
grinder.
Isn't it interesting when these false-christian scum like "bambi"
have such zeal for their stupid beliefs but yet not quite enough
to identify themselves as associated with the trash they peddle?
I have a few catholic questions, bambi.
Looks like ol BAM is getting it from both sides.
Later Larry
aa # 2216
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| User: "bam" |
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11 Jul 2005 12:52:48 PM |
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"Mickey" <mickeyb@comcast.net> wrote in message
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"bam" <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote in message
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"Mickey" <mickeyb@comcast.net> wrote
Ais is spread PRIMARILY in developing countries, where customs of
marriage
are FAR different.
Really? tell me about marriage customs in Africa, Dr. Anthropology.
Of course, those people are mostly black and poor, so you
don't give a ***** about them. You're a sick puppy.
You want to prevent procreation or abort them.
So don't give me any more of your crap, punk.
Or what? You'll beat me to death with a Bible? He's a clue for you, I
still
have the hammer, and enough nails to tack up a load of you fanatics.
Can't wait to make your acquaintance.
BAM
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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11 Jul 2005 02:12:46 PM |
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on 11 Jul 2005 in alt.atheism, dear sweet bam
(mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net) made the light shine upon us with this:
"Mickey" <mickeyb@comcast.net> wrote in message
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"bam" <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote in message
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"Mickey" <mickeyb@comcast.net> wrote
Ais is spread PRIMARILY in developing countries, where customs of
marriage
are FAR different.
Really? tell me about marriage customs in Africa, Dr. Anthropology.
Of course, those people are mostly black and poor, so you
don't give a ***** about them. You're a sick puppy.
You want to prevent procreation or abort them.
So don't give me any more of your crap, punk.
Or what? You'll beat me to death with a Bible? He's a clue for you, I
still
have the hammer, and enough nails to tack up a load of you fanatics.
Can't wait to make your acquaintance.
BAM
You're a walking justification for atheism, Christian trash.
--
Uncle Vic
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
http://home.comcast.net/~vickman/
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'03 XVS650A
'04 XVS1100
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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| Title: Re: Vatican: condoms don't stop Aids |
11 Jul 2005 12:56:06 PM |
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In article <YMxAe.255$ag7.208@bignews4.bellsouth.net> "bam" <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> writes:
"Mickey" <mickeyb@comcast.net> wrote
Ais is spread PRIMARILY in developing countries, where customs of marriage
are FAR different.
Really? tell me about marriage customs in Africa, Dr. Anthropology.
Of course, those people are mostly black and poor, so you
don't give a ***** about them. You're a sick puppy.
You want to prevent procreation or abort them.
Then are you telling us that abstainance, which you promote,
does not "prevent procreation"?
If so, you're absolutely right.
-- cary
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| User: "bam" |
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11 Jul 2005 03:36:31 PM |
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"Cary Kittrell" <cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote
Then are you telling us that abstainance, which you promote,
does not "prevent procreation"?
Yes - total abstinence would annihalate humnanity.
But that's not what we teach - and you know that Mr. Assface.
BAM
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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11 Jul 2005 03:51:41 PM |
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In article <IKAAe.70419$du.40043@bignews1.bellsouth.net> "bam" <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> writes:
"Cary Kittrell" <cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote
Then are you telling us that abstainance, which you promote,
does not "prevent procreation"?
Yes - total abstinence would annihalate humnanity.
But that's not what we teach - and you know that Mr. Assface.
Oh, heavens, Paul himself said that marriage is only for those
so weak of will that they can't keep it in their pants. Paul
wasn't worried about humans disappearing, because he knew
full well that Jesus is going to return Real Soon Now, and
thus the human race will have reached its culmination
anyhow.
How can you contradict St. Paul on this?
In any event marriage, as I have noted, does not
confer a 100 percent certainty that you will
not still get sexually-transmitted AIDS.
-- cary
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| User: "Paul Duca" |
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11 Jul 2005 09:44:15 PM |
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in article IKAAe.70419$du.40043@bignews1.bellsouth.net, bam at
mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net wrote on 7/11/05 4:36 PM:
"Cary Kittrell" <cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote
Then are you telling us that abstainance, which you promote,
does not "prevent procreation"?
Yes - total abstinence would annihalate humnanity.
But that's not what we teach -
The Catholic Church DID teach JUST that in its earliest days...of
course, it WAS expecting the Rapture to be just around the corner.
Paul
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| User: "bam" |
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12 Jul 2005 07:45:18 AM |
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"Paul Duca" <p.duca@comcast.net> wrote in message
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in article IKAAe.70419$du.40043@bignews1.bellsouth.net, bam at
mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net wrote on 7/11/05 4:36 PM:
"Cary Kittrell" <cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote
Then are you telling us that abstainance, which you promote,
does not "prevent procreation"?
Yes - total abstinence would annihalate humnanity.
But that's not what we teach -
The Catholic Church DID teach JUST that in its earliest days...of
course, it WAS expecting the Rapture to be just around the corner.
You know nothing.
BAM
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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12 Jul 2005 01:09:04 PM |
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"bam" <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> writes:
"Paul Duca" <p.duca@comcast.net> wrote in message
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in article IKAAe.70419$du.40043@bignews1.bellsouth.net, bam at
mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net wrote on 7/11/05 4:36 PM:
"Cary Kittrell" <cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote
Then are you telling us that abstainance, which you promote,
does not "prevent procreation"?
Yes - total abstinence would annihalate humnanity.
But that's not what we teach -
The Catholic Church DID teach JUST that in its earliest days...of
course, it WAS expecting the Rapture to be just around the corner.
You know nothing.
So the early Church contradicted Saint Paul?
Paul quite clearly says that marriage is a second-rate choice
spiritually -- but if you simply CANNOT keep it in your pants,
then you may settle for marriage.
But abstinence was clearly the superior choice.
-- cary
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| User: "bam" |
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12 Jul 2005 02:56:22 PM |
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"Cary Kittrell" <cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
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"bam" <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> writes:
"Paul Duca" <p.duca@comcast.net> wrote in message
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in article IKAAe.70419$du.40043@bignews1.bellsouth.net, bam at
mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net wrote on 7/11/05 4:36 PM:
"Cary Kittrell" <cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote
Then are you telling us that abstainance, which you promote,
does not "prevent procreation"?
Yes - total abstinence would annihalate humnanity.
But that's not what we teach -
The Catholic Church DID teach JUST that in its earliest
days...of
course, it WAS expecting the Rapture to be just around the corner.
You know nothing.
So the early Church contradicted Saint Paul?
Paul quite clearly says that marriage is a second-rate choice
spiritually -- but if you simply CANNOT keep it in your pants,
then you may settle for marriage.
But abstinence was clearly the superior choice.
Marriage was elevated to a Sacrament. You say St. Paul said "Second rate".
But he didn't, did he?
BAM
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| User: "Docky Wocky" |
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12 Jul 2005 11:50:14 PM |
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Condoms don't kill AIDS.
AIDS kills AIDS.
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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12 Jul 2005 03:09:40 PM |
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"bam" <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> writes:
"Cary Kittrell" <cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
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"bam" <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> writes:
"Paul Duca" <p.duca@comcast.net> wrote in message
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in article IKAAe.70419$du.40043@bignews1.bellsouth.net, bam at
mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net wrote on 7/11/05 4:36 PM:
"Cary Kittrell" <cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote
Then are you telling us that abstainance, which you promote,
does not "prevent procreation"?
Yes - total abstinence would annihalate humnanity.
But that's not what we teach -
The Catholic Church DID teach JUST that in its earliest
days...of
course, it WAS expecting the Rapture to be just around the corner.
You know nothing.
So the early Church contradicted Saint Paul?
Paul quite clearly says that marriage is a second-rate choice
spiritually -- but if you simply CANNOT keep it in your pants,
then you may settle for marriage.
But abstinence was clearly the superior choice.
Marriage was elevated to a Sacrament. You say St. Paul said "Second rate".
But he didn't, did he?
I paraphrased. Here's another (if dead) person's gloss on the original:
8 I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, it is good for them if
they abide even as I.
9 But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to
marry than to burn.
-- cary
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| User: "bam" |
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12 Jul 2005 07:17:24 PM |
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"Cary Kittrell" <cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
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"bam" <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> writes:
"Cary Kittrell" <cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
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"bam" <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> writes:
"Paul Duca" <p.duca@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:BEF8A6BF.9463%p.duca@comcast.net...
in article IKAAe.70419$du.40043@bignews1.bellsouth.net, bam at
mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net wrote on 7/11/05 4:36 PM:
"Cary Kittrell" <cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote
Then are you telling us that abstainance, which you promote,
does not "prevent procreation"?
Yes - total abstinence would annihalate humnanity.
But that's not what we teach -
The Catholic Church DID teach JUST that in its earliest
days...of
course, it WAS expecting the Rapture to be just around the corner.
You know nothing.
So the early Church contradicted Saint Paul?
Paul quite clearly says that marriage is a second-rate choice
spiritually -- but if you simply CANNOT keep it in your pants,
then you may settle for marriage.
But abstinence was clearly the superior choice.
Marriage was elevated to a Sacrament. You say St. Paul said "Second
rate".
But he didn't, did he?
I paraphrased. Here's another (if dead) person's gloss on the original:
8 I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, it is good for them if
they abide even as I.
9 But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to
marry than to burn.
Thank you - it's not news to me. Marriage is still a sacrament.
BAM
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12 Jul 2005 07:39:58 PM |
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In article <e4ZAe.95784$du.23658@bignews1.bellsouth.net> "bam" <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> writes:
"Cary Kittrell" <cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
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"bam" <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> writes:
"Cary Kittrell" <cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
news:db1100$8g5$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu...
"bam" <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> writes:
"Paul Duca" <p.duca@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:BEF8A6BF.9463%p.duca@comcast.net...
in article IKAAe.70419$du.40043@bignews1.bellsouth.net, bam at
mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net wrote on 7/11/05 4:36 PM:
"Cary Kittrell" <cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote
Then are you telling us that abstainance, which you promote,
does not "prevent procreation"?
Yes - total abstinence would annihalate humnanity.
But that's not what we teach -
The Catholic Church DID teach JUST that in its earliest
days...of
course, it WAS expecting the Rapture to be just around the corner.
You know nothing.
So the early Church contradicted Saint Paul?
Paul quite clearly says that marriage is a second-rate choice
spiritually -- but if you simply CANNOT keep it in your pants,
then you may settle for marriage.
But abstinence was clearly the superior choice.
Marriage was elevated to a Sacrament. You say St. Paul said "Second
rate".
But he didn't, did he?
I paraphrased. Here's another (if dead) person's gloss on the original:
8 I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, it is good for them if
they abide even as I.
9 But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to
marry than to burn.
Thank you - it's not news to me. Marriage is still a sacrament.
But "it is good" not to do it, assuming you have the strength of character.
-- cary
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| User: "Mickey" |
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12 Jul 2005 08:03:19 PM |
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"Cary Kittrell" <cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
news:db1nsu$5jr$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu...
In article <e4ZAe.95784$du.23658@bignews1.bellsouth.net> "bam"
<mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> writes:
"Cary Kittrell" <cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
news:db1824$r5a$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu...
"bam" <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> writes:
"Cary Kittrell" <cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
news:db1100$8g5$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu...
"bam" <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> writes:
"Paul Duca" <p.duca@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:BEF8A6BF.9463%p.duca@comcast.net...
in article IKAAe.70419$du.40043@bignews1.bellsouth.net, bam at
mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net wrote on 7/11/05 4:36 PM:
"Cary Kittrell" <cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote
Then are you telling us that abstainance, which you promote,
does not "prevent procreation"?
Yes - total abstinence would annihalate humnanity.
But that's not what we teach -
The Catholic Church DID teach JUST that in its earliest
days...of
course, it WAS expecting the Rapture to be just around the
corner.
You know nothing.
So the early Church contradicted Saint Paul?
Paul quite clearly says that marriage is a second-rate choice
spiritually -- but if you simply CANNOT keep it in your pants,
then you may settle for marriage.
But abstinence was clearly the superior choice.
Marriage was elevated to a Sacrament. You say St. Paul said "Second
rate".
But he didn't, did he?
I paraphrased. Here's another (if dead) person's gloss on the
original:
8 I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, it is good for them
if
they abide even as I.
9 But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to
marry than to burn.
Thank you - it's not news to me. Marriage is still a sacrament.
But "it is good" not to do it, assuming you have the strength of
character.
I won't buy a car without a test drive, and I only intend to keep those for
2 years.
Mickey
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| User: "bam" |
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| Title: Re: Vatican: condoms don't stop Aids |
12 Jul 2005 08:30:24 PM |
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"Cary Kittrell" <cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
news:db1nsu$5jr$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu...
In article <e4ZAe.95784$du.23658@bignews1.bellsouth.net> "bam"
<mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> writes:
"Cary Kittrell" <cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
news:db1824$r5a$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu...
"bam" <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> writes:
"Cary Kittrell" <cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
news:db1100$8g5$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu...
"bam" <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> writes:
"Paul Duca" <p.duca@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:BEF8A6BF.9463%p.duca@comcast.net...
in article IKAAe.70419$du.40043@bignews1.bellsouth.net, bam at
mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net wrote on 7/11/05 4:36 PM:
"Cary Kittrell" <cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote
Then are you telling us that abstainance, which you promote,
does not "prevent procreation"?
Yes - total abstinence would annihalate humnanity.
But that's not what we teach -
The Catholic Church DID teach JUST that in its earliest
days...of
course, it WAS expecting the Rapture to be just around the
corner.
You know nothing.
So the early Church contradicted Saint Paul?
Paul quite clearly says that marriage is a second-rate choice
spiritually -- but if you simply CANNOT keep it in your pants,
then you may settle for marriage.
But abstinence was clearly the superior choice.
Marriage was elevated to a Sacrament. You say St. Paul said "Second
rate".
But he didn't, did he?
I paraphrased. Here's another (if dead) person's gloss on the
original:
8 I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, it is good for them if
they abide even as I.
9 But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to
marry than to burn.
Thank you - it's not news to me. Marriage is still a sacrament.
But "it is good" not to do it, assuming you have the strength of
character.
Don't be so qick to convict. It's a sign of a sore conscience.
BAM
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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| Title: Re: Vatican: condoms don't stop Aids |
13 Jul 2005 01:52:38 PM |
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In article <H8_Ae.95801$du.6447@bignews1.bellsouth.net> "bam" <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> writes:
"Cary Kittrell" <cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
news:db1nsu$5jr$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu...
In article <e4ZAe.95784$du.23658@bignews1.bellsouth.net> "bam"
<mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> writes:
"Cary Kittrell" <cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
news:db1824$r5a$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu...
"bam" <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> writes:
"Cary Kittrell" <cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
news:db1100$8g5$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu...
"bam" <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> writes:
"Paul Duca" <p.duca@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:BEF8A6BF.9463%p.duca@comcast.net...
in article IKAAe.70419$du.40043@bignews1.bellsouth.net, bam at
mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net wrote on 7/11/05 4:36 PM:
"Cary Kittrell" <cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote
Then are you telling us that abstainance, which you promote,
does not "prevent procreation"?
Yes - total abstinence would annihalate humnanity.
But that's not what we teach -
The Catholic Church DID teach JUST that in its earliest
days...of
course, it WAS expecting the Rapture to be just around the
corner.
You know nothing.
So the early Church contradicted Saint Paul?
Paul quite clearly says that marriage is a second-rate choice
spiritually -- but if you simply CANNOT keep it in your pants,
then you may settle for marriage.
But abstinence was clearly the superior choice.
Marriage was elevated to a Sacrament. You say St. Paul said "Second
rate".
But he didn't, did he?
I paraphrased. Here's another (if dead) person's gloss on the
original:
8 I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, it is good for them if
they abide even as I.
9 But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to
marry than to burn.
Thank you - it's not news to me. Marriage is still a sacrament.
But "it is good" not to do it, assuming you have the strength of
character.
Don't be so qick to convict. It's a sign of a sore conscience.
Ain't me what said that, it was Saint Paul.
And I intended the general "you", not the BAM-you.
Personally I have nothing against either marriage or
sex apart from marriage.
-- cary
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| User: "Paul Duca" |
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12 Jul 2005 07:33:29 PM |
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in article e4ZAe.95784$du.23658@bignews1.bellsouth.net, bam at
mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net wrote on 7/12/05 8:17 PM:
"Cary Kittrell" <cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
news:db1824$r5a$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu...
"bam" <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> writes:
"Cary Kittrell" <cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
news:db1100$8g5$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu...
"bam" <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> writes:
"Paul Duca" <p.duca@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:BEF8A6BF.9463%p.duca@comcast.net...
in article IKAAe.70419$du.40043@bignews1.bellsouth.net, bam at
mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net wrote on 7/11/05 4:36 PM:
"Cary Kittrell" <cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote
Then are you telling us that abstainance, which you promote,
does not "prevent procreation"?
Yes - total abstinence would annihalate humnanity.
But that's not what we teach -
The Catholic Church DID teach JUST that in its earliest
days...of
course, it WAS expecting the Rapture to be just around the corner.
You know nothing.
So the early Church contradicted Saint Paul?
Paul quite clearly says that marriage is a second-rate choice
spiritually -- but if you simply CANNOT keep it in your pants,
then you may settle for marriage.
But abstinence was clearly the superior choice.
Marriage was elevated to a Sacrament. You say St. Paul said "Second
rate".
But he didn't, did he?
I paraphrased. Here's another (if dead) person's gloss on the original:
8 I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, it is good for them if
they abide even as I.
9 But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to
marry than to burn.
Thank you - it's not news to me. Marriage is still a sacrament.
The trick is finding some tramp stupid enough to join you in it....
Paul
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| User: "I KILLED YOUR GOD-IT WAS EASY!" |
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| Title: Re: Vatican: condoms don't stop Aids |
11 Jul 2005 04:20:25 PM |
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you dont teach anything of value-now bend over-your preist is waiting for
his rim job..
--
***** of this world.defender of the faith.
AA #2241.
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| User: "Paul Duca" |
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| Title: Re: Vatican: condoms don't stop Aids |
11 Jul 2005 09:29:34 PM |
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in article YMxAe.255$ag7.208@bignews4.bellsouth.net, bam at
mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net wrote on 7/11/05 1:14 PM:
"Mickey" <mickeyb@comcast.net> wrote
Ais is spread PRIMARILY in developing countries, where customs of marriage
are FAR different.
Really? tell me about marriage customs in Africa, Dr. Anthropology.
Of course, those people are mostly black and poor, so you
don't give a ***** about them. You're a sick puppy.
You want to prevent procreation or abort them.
You only want them to breed in order to provide cheap labor, so you
can afford to shop at Wal-Mart
Paul
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