Religions > Atheism > Vatican Considering Barring Gay-Friendly Politicians From Sacrament
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"J Young" |
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09 Oct 2005 09:11:51 PM |
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Vatican Considering Barring Gay-Friendly Politicians From Sacrament |
His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI is once again 100% correct in his stated
beliefs. Persons who wish to deviate from the doctrines of the church
should not enjoy the sacraments associated with the Churches teachings.
Let these politicians show the strength of their convictions.
Vatican Considering Barring Gay-Friendly Politicians From Sacrament
(Rome) Canadian Prime Minister Paul Martin and Spanish Prime Minister
Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero who legalized same-sex marriage in their
countries, and about a dozen American politicians who support gay
marriage - including San Francisco mayor Gavin Newsom who issued
marriage licenses last year to same-sex couples - could be refused the
sacraments of the Roman Catholic Church under a proposal being
considered by the Vatican.
Catholic bishops meeting in Vatican City at the first synod led by
newly anointed Pope Benedict XVI are expected to consider refusing
communion to politicians who pass laws that violate church doctrine.
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| User: "Peacenik" |
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| Title: Re: Vatican Considering Barring Gay-Friendly Politicians From Sacrament |
10 Oct 2005 05:32:53 AM |
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1128910311.416504.77420@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI is once again 100% correct in his stated
beliefs. Persons who wish to deviate from the doctrines of the church
should not enjoy the sacraments associated with the Churches teachings.
Let these politicians show the strength of their convictions.
Can you say "schism"?
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| User: "Soul food" |
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10 Oct 2005 07:44:30 AM |
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Into alt.atheism shot "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> and
breathlessly exclaimed:
His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI is once again 100% correct in his stated
beliefs. Persons who wish to deviate from the doctrines of the church
should not enjoy the sacraments associated with the Churches teachings.
Let these politicians show the strength of their convictions.
That should just about finish Ireland off as a Roman Catholic country.
Well done, Benny.
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"The real dichotomy in today's world is between reason and religion.
The future of civilisation rests upon how many people realise that and do something about it."
D Silverman FLAHN, SMLAHN
AA #2208
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| User: "bam" |
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| Title: Re: Vatican Considering Barring Gay-Friendly Politicians From Sacrament |
10 Oct 2005 09:36:40 AM |
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"Soul food" <cthulhu@soulstogo.com> wrote in message
news:ldokk1d6bp3leqk40bojch86khq4bsvgrr@4ax.com...
Into alt.atheism shot "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> and
breathlessly exclaimed:
His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI is once again 100% correct in his stated
beliefs. Persons who wish to deviate from the doctrines of the church
should not enjoy the sacraments associated with the Churches teachings.
Let these politicians show the strength of their convictions.
That should just about finish Ireland off as a Roman Catholic country.
Well done, Benny.
What an absurd statement.
And what an absurd premise - that the Church should change eternal truths in
order to salvage membership.
BAM
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| User: "David Jensen" |
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| Title: Re: Vatican Considering Barring Gay-Friendly Politicians From Sacrament |
10 Oct 2005 11:41:47 AM |
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On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 10:36:40 -0400, in alt.atheism
"bam" <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote in
<1_u2f.5724$5l.4373@bignews1.bellsouth.net>:
"Soul food" <cthulhu@soulstogo.com> wrote in message
news:ldokk1d6bp3leqk40bojch86khq4bsvgrr@4ax.com...
Into alt.atheism shot "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> and
breathlessly exclaimed:
His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI is once again 100% correct in his stated
beliefs. Persons who wish to deviate from the doctrines of the church
should not enjoy the sacraments associated with the Churches teachings.
Let these politicians show the strength of their convictions.
That should just about finish Ireland off as a Roman Catholic country.
Well done, Benny.
What an absurd statement.
And what an absurd premise - that the Church should change eternal truths in
order to salvage membership.
As far as I can tell, the absurd premise is that there are any eternal
religious truths, with the contrary-to-fact corollary that the Roman
Catholic Church has not changed teachings over its life.
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| User: "bam" |
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| Title: Re: Vatican Considering Barring Gay-Friendly Politicians From Sacrament |
10 Oct 2005 01:12:32 PM |
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"David Jensen" <david@dajensen-family.com> wrote in message
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On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 10:36:40 -0400, in alt.atheism
"bam" <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote in
<1_u2f.5724$5l.4373@bignews1.bellsouth.net>:
"Soul food" <cthulhu@soulstogo.com> wrote in message
news:ldokk1d6bp3leqk40bojch86khq4bsvgrr@4ax.com...
Into alt.atheism shot "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> and
breathlessly exclaimed:
His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI is once again 100% correct in his stated
beliefs. Persons who wish to deviate from the doctrines of the church
should not enjoy the sacraments associated with the Churches teachings.
Let these politicians show the strength of their convictions.
That should just about finish Ireland off as a Roman Catholic country.
Well done, Benny.
What an absurd statement.
And what an absurd premise - that the Church should change eternal truths
in
order to salvage membership.
As far as I can tell, the absurd premise is that there are any eternal
religious truths, with the contrary-to-fact corollary that the Roman
Catholic Church has not changed teachings over its life.
Then you can't tell very far.
BAM
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| User: "David Jensen" |
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| Title: Re: Vatican Considering Barring Gay-Friendly Politicians From Sacrament |
10 Oct 2005 01:37:50 PM |
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On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:12:32 -0400, in alt.atheism
"bam" <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote in
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"David Jensen" <david@dajensen-family.com> wrote in message
news:ta6lk1pvd4kpvuqlbic97p1bir0ie3l2u1@4ax.com...
On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 10:36:40 -0400, in alt.atheism
"bam" <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote in
<1_u2f.5724$5l.4373@bignews1.bellsouth.net>:
"Soul food" <cthulhu@soulstogo.com> wrote in message
news:ldokk1d6bp3leqk40bojch86khq4bsvgrr@4ax.com...
Into alt.atheism shot "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> and
breathlessly exclaimed:
His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI is once again 100% correct in his stated
beliefs. Persons who wish to deviate from the doctrines of the church
should not enjoy the sacraments associated with the Churches teachings.
Let these politicians show the strength of their convictions.
That should just about finish Ireland off as a Roman Catholic country.
Well done, Benny.
What an absurd statement.
And what an absurd premise - that the Church should change eternal truths
in
order to salvage membership.
As far as I can tell, the absurd premise is that there are any eternal
religious truths, with the contrary-to-fact corollary that the Roman
Catholic Church has not changed teachings over its life.
Then you can't tell very far.
Please identify an eternal religious truth.
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| User: "ריעין ברתון/Riain Barton" |
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| Title: Re: Vatican Considering Barring Gay-Friendly Politicians From Sacrament |
10 Oct 2005 10:24:56 PM |
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BAM is an ignorant racist bigoted homophobic Jew-hating "human".
"David Jensen" <david@dajensen-family.com> wrote in message
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: Please identify an eternal religious truth.
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| User: "Paul Duca" |
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| Title: Re: Vatican Considering Barring Gay-Friendly Politicians FromSacrament |
10 Oct 2005 06:05:17 PM |
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in article o8y2f.9547$5l.5335@bignews6.bellsouth.net, bam at
mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net wrote on 10/10/05 2:12 PM:
"David Jensen" <david@dajensen-family.com> wrote in message
news:ta6lk1pvd4kpvuqlbic97p1bir0ie3l2u1@4ax.com...
On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 10:36:40 -0400, in alt.atheism
"bam" <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote in
<1_u2f.5724$5l.4373@bignews1.bellsouth.net>:
"Soul food" <cthulhu@soulstogo.com> wrote in message
news:ldokk1d6bp3leqk40bojch86khq4bsvgrr@4ax.com...
Into alt.atheism shot "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> and
breathlessly exclaimed:
His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI is once again 100% correct in his stated
beliefs. Persons who wish to deviate from the doctrines of the church
should not enjoy the sacraments associated with the Churches teachings.
Let these politicians show the strength of their convictions.
That should just about finish Ireland off as a Roman Catholic country.
Well done, Benny.
What an absurd statement.
And what an absurd premise - that the Church should change eternal truths
in
order to salvage membership.
As far as I can tell, the absurd premise is that there are any eternal
religious truths, with the contrary-to-fact corollary that the Roman
Catholic Church has not changed teachings over its life.
Just like it hasn't changed, much less improved, the lives of its
followers very much....
Paul
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| User: "BYTE ME!" |
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| Title: Re: Vatican Considering Barring Gay-Friendly Politicians From Sacrament |
10 Oct 2005 09:22:06 PM |
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bam wrote:
"Soul food" <cthulhu@soulstogo.com> wrote in message=20
news:ldokk1d6bp3leqk40bojch86khq4bsvgrr@4ax.com...
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Into alt.atheism shot "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> and
breathlessly exclaimed:
His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI is once again 100% correct in his state=
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beliefs. Persons who wish to deviate from the doctrines of the church
should not enjoy the sacraments associated with the Churches teachings=
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Let these politicians show the strength of their convictions.
That should just about finish Ireland off as a Roman Catholic country.
Well done, Benny.
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What an absurd statement.
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And what an absurd premise - that the Church should change eternal trut=
hs in=20
order to salvage membership.
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BAM=20
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Well they can't change what they don't have. Since the church has no=20
eternal truths whatever they change doesn't matter.
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Of all the systems of religion that ever were invented, there is none=20
more derogatory to the Almighty, more unedifying to man, more repugnant=20
to reason, and more contradictory in itself, than this thing called=20
Christianity. Too absurd for belief, too impossible to convince, and too =
inconsistent for practice, it renders the heart torpid, or produces only =
atheists and fanatics. As an engine of power, it serves the purpose of=20
despotism; and as a means of wealth, the avarice of priests; but so far=20
as respects the good of man in general, it leads to nothing here or=20
hereafter. =96Thomas Paine
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| User: "Robi" |
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10 Oct 2005 11:02:31 AM |
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bam wrote:
And what an absurd premise - that the Church should change eternal truths in
order to salvage membership.
They've done that ever since their inception surely? isn't that why
Christmas occurs at the time of the winter solstice, for example?
Yuletide and all that.
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| User: "bam" |
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10 Oct 2005 11:41:26 AM |
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"Robi" <robi_tola@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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bam wrote:
And what an absurd premise - that the Church should change eternal truths
in
order to salvage membership.
They've done that ever since their inception surely? isn't that why
Christmas occurs at the time of the winter solstice, for example?
Yuletide and all that.
Oh yeah!!!!
We almost collpased from that one!!! Yep. You really know Catholic history.
The winter solstice goes back to Adam and Eve.
BAM
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| User: "ריעין ברתון/Riain Barton" |
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10 Oct 2005 10:21:56 PM |
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You want to point out where in the myth of Adam and Eve where we can
find a reference to the Winter Solstice?
You stupid Jew-hating, homophobic, redneck bigoted PIG.
"bam" <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote in message
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: Oh yeah!!!!
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: We almost collpased from that one!!! Yep. You really know Catholic
history.
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: The winter solstice goes back to Adam and Eve.
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| User: "Chris H. Fleming" |
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11 Oct 2005 02:52:14 AM |
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bam wrote:
"Robi" <robi_tola@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1128958497.303292.153040@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
bam wrote:
And what an absurd premise - that the Church should change eternal truths
in
order to salvage membership.
They've done that ever since their inception surely? isn't that why
Christmas occurs at the time of the winter solstice, for example?
Yuletide and all that.
Oh yeah!!!!
We almost collpased from that one!!! Yep. You really know Catholic history.
The winter solstice goes back to Adam and Eve.
BAM
Wow. You are an idiot even when it comes to Christianity.
A true troll you are sir.
I bet you'd say Jews worship on SUNday too huh?
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| User: "Cymric" |
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10 Oct 2005 03:02:01 PM |
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bam wrote:
"Robi" <robi_tola@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1128958497.303292.153040@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
bam wrote:
And what an absurd premise - that the Church should change eternal truths
in
order to salvage membership.
They've done that ever since their inception surely? isn't that why
Christmas occurs at the time of the winter solstice, for example?
Yuletide and all that.
Oh yeah!!!!
We almost collpased from that one!!! Yep. You really know Catholic history.
The winter solstice goes back to Adam and Eve.
I was taught this (my statement) by a lay brother teaching Religious
Education in a Roman Catholic School. Something to do with the early
Christians using Pagan beliefs to make the faith more acceptible. Was
he a subversive or something?
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| User: "ריעין ברתון/Riain Barton" |
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10 Oct 2005 10:23:22 PM |
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Exactly what I was taught in Catholic School as well.
Seems all Catholics know this but BAM the fascist bigoted pig.
"Cymric" <robi_tola@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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: I was taught this (my statement) by a lay brother teaching Religious
: Education in a Roman Catholic School. Something to do with the early
: Christians using Pagan beliefs to make the faith more acceptible. Was
: he a subversive or something?
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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10 Oct 2005 11:57:33 AM |
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on 10 Oct 2005 in alt.atheism, dear sweet bam
(mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net) made the light shine upon us with
this:
"Robi" <robi_tola@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1128958497.303292.153040@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
bam wrote:
And what an absurd premise - that the Church should change eternal
truths in
order to salvage membership.
They've done that ever since their inception surely? isn't that why
Christmas occurs at the time of the winter solstice, for example?
Yuletide and all that.
Oh yeah!!!!
We almost collpased from that one!!! Yep. You really know Catholic
history.
The winter solstice goes back to Adam and Eve.
It goes back much further than that, beyond the deepest beginnings of the
pagan mystery religions, even back to the days of Sun Worship.
--
Uncle Vic
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
http://home.comcast.net/~vickman/
Plonked by Raytard
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| User: "bam" |
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| Title: Re: Vatican Considering Barring Gay-Friendly Politicians From Sacrament |
10 Oct 2005 01:12:05 PM |
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"Uncle Vic" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:Xns96EB658E54260vicman@127.0.0.1...
on 10 Oct 2005 in alt.atheism, dear sweet bam
(mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net) made the light shine upon us with
this:
"Robi" <robi_tola@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1128958497.303292.153040@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
bam wrote:
And what an absurd premise - that the Church should change eternal
truths in
order to salvage membership.
They've done that ever since their inception surely? isn't that why
Christmas occurs at the time of the winter solstice, for example?
Yuletide and all that.
Oh yeah!!!!
We almost collpased from that one!!! Yep. You really know Catholic
history.
The winter solstice goes back to Adam and Eve.
It goes back much further than that, beyond the deepest beginnings of the
pagan mystery religions, even back to the days of Sun Worship.
Uhhhh........vic? Adam and Eve preceded the pagans.
BAM
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| User: "David Jensen" |
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| Title: Re: Vatican Considering Barring Gay-Friendly Politicians From Sacrament |
10 Oct 2005 02:27:09 PM |
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On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:12:05 -0400, in alt.atheism
"bam" <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote in
<Z7y2f.9546$5l.6753@bignews6.bellsouth.net>:
"Uncle Vic" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:Xns96EB658E54260vicman@127.0.0.1...
on 10 Oct 2005 in alt.atheism, dear sweet bam
(mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net) made the light shine upon us with
this:
"Robi" <robi_tola@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1128958497.303292.153040@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
bam wrote:
And what an absurd premise - that the Church should change eternal
truths in
order to salvage membership.
They've done that ever since their inception surely? isn't that why
Christmas occurs at the time of the winter solstice, for example?
Yuletide and all that.
Oh yeah!!!!
We almost collpased from that one!!! Yep. You really know Catholic
history.
The winter solstice goes back to Adam and Eve.
It goes back much further than that, beyond the deepest beginnings of the
pagan mystery religions, even back to the days of Sun Worship.
Uhhhh........vic? Adam and Eve preceded the pagans.
No, Adam and Eve were made up well after humanity had a good start.
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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| Title: Re: Vatican Considering Barring Gay-Friendly Politicians From Sacrament |
10 Oct 2005 06:15:54 PM |
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on 10 Oct 2005 in alt.atheism, dear sweet bam
(mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net) made the light shine upon us with
this:
The winter solstice goes back to Adam and Eve.
It goes back much further than that, beyond the deepest beginnings
of the pagan mystery religions, even back to the days of Sun
Worship.
Uhhhh........vic? Adam and Eve preceded the pagans.
BAM
The story is only about 2000 years older than the NT. The pagan religions
go back at least another 3000. And sun worship far beyond that.
Oh, wait. You thought Adam & Eve were real.
<snicker>
--
Uncle Vic
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
http://home.comcast.net/~vickman/
Plonked by Raytard
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| User: "bam" |
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| Title: Re: Vatican Considering Barring Gay-Friendly Politicians From Sacrament |
10 Oct 2005 08:15:59 PM |
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"Uncle Vic" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:Xns96EBA5B361DEvicman@127.0.0.1...
on 10 Oct 2005 in alt.atheism, dear sweet bam
(mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net) made the light shine upon us with
this:
The winter solstice goes back to Adam and Eve.
It goes back much further than that, beyond the deepest beginnings
of the pagan mystery religions, even back to the days of Sun
Worship.
Uhhhh........vic? Adam and Eve preceded the pagans.
BAM
The story is only about 2000 years older than the NT. The pagan religions
go back at least another 3000. And sun worship far beyond that.
Oh, wait. You thought Adam & Eve were real.
<snicker>
And you think your great grandfather was part monkey :)
<tee hee>
BAM
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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| Title: Re: Vatican Considering Barring Gay-Friendly Politicians From Sacrament |
10 Oct 2005 09:13:50 PM |
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on 10 Oct 2005 in alt.atheism, dear sweet bam
(mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net) made the light shine upon us with
this:
"Uncle Vic" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:Xns96EBA5B361DEvicman@127.0.0.1...
on 10 Oct 2005 in alt.atheism, dear sweet bam
(mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net) made the light shine upon us with
this:
The winter solstice goes back to Adam and Eve.
It goes back much further than that, beyond the deepest beginnings
of the pagan mystery religions, even back to the days of Sun
Worship.
Uhhhh........vic? Adam and Eve preceded the pagans.
BAM
The story is only about 2000 years older than the NT. The pagan
religions go back at least another 3000. And sun worship far beyond
that.
Oh, wait. You thought Adam & Eve were real.
<snicker>
And you think your great grandfather was part monkey :)
<tee hee>
BAM
And you think evolution happened like yesterday.
Bwaaahahahaha!
--
Uncle Vic
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
http://home.comcast.net/~vickman/
Plonked by Raytard
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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| Title: Re: Vatican Considering Barring Gay-Friendly Politicians From Sacrament |
10 Oct 2005 11:55:03 AM |
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on 10 Oct 2005 in alt.atheism, dear sweet bam
(mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net) made the light shine upon us with
this:
And what an absurd premise - that the Church should change eternal
truths in order to salvage membership.
They've been doing just that for thousands of years. Religion evolves
faster than any animal species on earth.
--
Uncle Vic
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
http://home.comcast.net/~vickman/
Plonked by Raytard
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| User: "bam" |
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| Title: Re: Vatican Considering Barring Gay-Friendly Politicians From Sacrament |
10 Oct 2005 01:13:46 PM |
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"Uncle Vic" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:Xns96EB6521C4BC3vicman@127.0.0.1...
on 10 Oct 2005 in alt.atheism, dear sweet bam
(mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net) made the light shine upon us with
this:
And what an absurd premise - that the Church should change eternal
truths in order to salvage membership.
They've been doing just that for thousands of years. Religion evolves
faster than any animal species on earth.
The only time the Catholic Church gets any credit for being two thousand
years old, and therefore the Church Jesus founded, is when someone tries to
accuse it of doing something wrong for as long as they can stretch it.
BAM
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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| Title: Re: Vatican Considering Barring Gay-Friendly Politicians From Sacrament |
10 Oct 2005 09:04:10 PM |
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on 10 Oct 2005 in alt.atheism, dear sweet bam
(mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net) made the light shine upon us with
this:
"Uncle Vic" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:Xns96EB6521C4BC3vicman@127.0.0.1...
on 10 Oct 2005 in alt.atheism, dear sweet bam
(mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net) made the light shine upon us with
this:
And what an absurd premise - that the Church should change eternal
truths in order to salvage membership.
They've been doing just that for thousands of years. Religion
evolves faster than any animal species on earth.
The only time the Catholic Church gets any credit for being two
thousand years old, and therefore the Church Jesus founded, is when
someone tries to accuse it of doing something wrong for as long as
they can stretch it.
Who said they're doing something wrong? They're just changing the rules
to make them fit an evolving society. Don't worry, most people won't
notice that god's perfect word is far from perfect.
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Uncle Vic
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
http://home.comcast.net/~vickman/
Plonked by Raytard
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| Title: Re: Vatican Considering Barring Gay-Friendly Politicians From Sacrament |
09 Oct 2005 09:31:06 PM |
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On 9 Oct 2005 19:11:51 -0700, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote
in message <1128910311.416504.77420@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI is once again 100% correct in his stated
beliefs. Persons who wish to deviate from the doctrines of the church
should not enjoy the sacraments associated with the Churches teachings.
Let these politicians show the strength of their convictions.
Vatican Considering Barring Gay-Friendly Politicians From Sacrament
(Rome) Canadian Prime Minister Paul Martin and Spanish Prime Minister
Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero who legalized same-sex marriage in their
countries, and about a dozen American politicians who support gay
marriage - including San Francisco mayor Gavin Newsom who issued
marriage licenses last year to same-sex couples - could be refused the
sacraments of the Roman Catholic Church under a proposal being
considered by the Vatican.
Catholic bishops meeting in Vatican City at the first synod led by
newly anointed Pope Benedict XVI are expected to consider refusing
communion to politicians who pass laws that violate church doctrine.
So much for the so-called "love the sinner hate the sin" crap the pope
was spewing a while back. It's all lies. What else is new? It's not
even gays he would bar, but people who are friends to gay. What next?
Gas chambers?
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| User: "michael james" |
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| Title: Re: Vatican Considering Barring Gay-Friendly Politicians From Sacrament |
09 Oct 2005 10:17:17 PM |
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Boy Toy wrote:
On 9 Oct 2005 19:11:51 -0700, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote
in message <1128910311.416504.77420@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI is once again 100% correct in his stated
beliefs. Persons who wish to deviate from the doctrines of the church
should not enjoy the sacraments associated with the Churches teachings.
Let these politicians show the strength of their convictions.
Vatican Considering Barring Gay-Friendly Politicians From Sacrament
(Rome) Canadian Prime Minister Paul Martin and Spanish Prime Minister
Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero who legalized same-sex marriage in their
countries, and about a dozen American politicians who support gay
marriage - including San Francisco mayor Gavin Newsom who issued
marriage licenses last year to same-sex couples - could be refused the
sacraments of the Roman Catholic Church under a proposal being
considered by the Vatican.
Catholic bishops meeting in Vatican City at the first synod led by
newly anointed Pope Benedict XVI are expected to consider refusing
communion to politicians who pass laws that violate church doctrine.
So much for the so-called "love the sinner hate the sin" crap the pope
was spewing a while back. It's all lies. What else is new? It's not
even gays he would bar, but people who are friends to gay. What next?
Gas chambers?
To add to this discussion, the problem is non whether the politians are
gay friendly or not. The question is *who* do the politians represent,
their electors or the pope?
If they represent their electors they must vote according to the wishes
of the electors.
If they vote according to the pope, they the pope is undermining the
democratic rights of the electors. And that is papal interference with
democracy. Heil Dominic!
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| User: "ריעין ברתון/Riain Barton" |
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| Title: Re: Vatican Considering Barring Gay-Friendly Politicians From Sacrament |
10 Oct 2005 12:42:08 AM |
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You are absolutely 100% correct.
And they represent people of all different religions.
If the Pope had a shred of decency he would ask that Roman Catholics no
longer run for political office.
"michael james" <cadlib_@videotron.ca> wrote in message
news:33l2f.16980$I4.122635@wagner.videotron.net...
: To add to this discussion, the problem is non whether the politians
are
: gay friendly or not. The question is *who* do the politians
represent,
: their electors or the pope?
:
: If they represent their electors they must vote according to the
wishes
: of the electors.
:
: If they vote according to the pope, they the pope is undermining the
: democratic rights of the electors. And that is papal interference
with
: democracy. Heil Dominic!
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| User: "michael james" |
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| Title: Re: Vatican Considering Barring Gay-Friendly Politicians From Sacrament |
10 Oct 2005 01:00:34 AM |
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ריעין ברתון/Riain Barton wrote:
You are absolutely 100% correct.
And they represent people of all different religions.
If the Pope had a shred of decency he would ask that Roman Catholics no
longer run for political office.
How do you get that idea across to the pope and his cardinals?
"michael james" <cadlib_@videotron.ca> wrote in message
news:33l2f.16980$I4.122635@wagner.videotron.net...
: To add to this discussion, the problem is non whether the politians
are
: gay friendly or not. The question is *who* do the politians
represent,
: their electors or the pope?
:
: If they represent their electors they must vote according to the
wishes
: of the electors.
:
: If they vote according to the pope, they the pope is undermining the
: democratic rights of the electors. And that is papal interference
with
: democracy. Heil Dominic!
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| User: "ריעין ברתון/Riain Barton" |
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| Title: Re: Vatican Considering Barring Gay-Friendly Politicians From Sacrament |
10 Oct 2005 04:21:42 AM |
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email?
*smirk *
"michael james" <cadlib_@videotron.ca> wrote in message
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: ריעין ברתון/Riain Barton wrote:
: > You are absolutely 100% correct.
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: > And they represent people of all different religions.
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: > If the Pope had a shred of decency he would ask that Roman Catholics
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: > "michael james" <cadlib_@videotron.ca> wrote in message
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: > : To add to this discussion, the problem is non whether the
politians
: > are
: > : gay friendly or not. The question is *who* do the politians
: > represent,
: > : their electors or the pope?
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: > : If they represent their electors they must vote according to the
: > wishes
: > : of the electors.
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: > : If they vote according to the pope, they the pope is undermining
the
: > : democratic rights of the electors. And that is papal interference
: > with
: > : democracy. Heil Dominic!
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| User: "michael james" |
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| Title: Re: Vatican Considering Barring Gay-Friendly Politicians From Sacrament |
09 Oct 2005 10:19:06 PM |
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michael james wrote:
Boy Toy wrote:
On 9 Oct 2005 19:11:51 -0700, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote
in message <1128910311.416504.77420@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI is once again 100% correct in his stated
beliefs. Persons who wish to deviate from the doctrines of the church
should not enjoy the sacraments associated with the Churches teachings.
Let these politicians show the strength of their convictions.
Vatican Considering Barring Gay-Friendly Politicians From Sacrament
(Rome) Canadian Prime Minister Paul Martin and Spanish Prime Minister
Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero who legalized same-sex marriage in their
countries, and about a dozen American politicians who support gay
marriage - including San Francisco mayor Gavin Newsom who issued
marriage licenses last year to same-sex couples - could be refused the
sacraments of the Roman Catholic Church under a proposal being
considered by the Vatican.
Catholic bishops meeting in Vatican City at the first synod led by
newly anointed Pope Benedict XVI are expected to consider refusing
communion to politicians who pass laws that violate church doctrine.
So much for the so-called "love the sinner hate the sin" crap the pope
was spewing a while back. It's all lies. What else is new? It's not
even gays he would bar, but people who are friends to gay. What next?
Gas chambers?
To add to this discussion, the problem is non whether the politians are
gay friendly or not. The question is *who* do the politians represent,
their electors or the pope?
If they represent their electors they must vote according to the wishes
of the electors.
If they vote according to the pope, they the pope is undermining the
democratic rights of the electors. And that is papal interference with
democracy. Heil Dominic!
erratum that should have been Heil Benedict :)
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