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"Sound of Trumpet" |
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29 Aug 2006 05:22:02 PM |
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Vatican Dumps Darwinist-Boosting Astronomer |
http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2006/aug/06082104.html
Monday August 21, 2006
Vatican Dumps Darwinist-Boosting Astronomer
By Hilary White
ROME, August 21, 2006 (LifeSiteNews.com) - The Jesuit
priest-astronomer who vocally opposed the Catholic understanding of
God-directed creation, has been removed from his post as head of the
Vatican observatory.
Fr. George Coyne has been head of the Vatican observatory for 25 years
is an expert in astrophysics with an interest in the interstellar
medium, stars with extended atmospheres and Seyfert galaxies. He also
appointed himself as an expert in evolutionary biology and theology
last summer in an article for the UK's liberal Catholic magazine, The
Tablet.
Fr. Coyne was writing against Christoph Cardinal Schonborn, a principal
author of the Catholic catechism, who said that an "unplanned process
of random variation and natural selection," both important parts of
evolutionary thinking, are incompatible with Catholic belief in God's
ordering and guiding of creation.
Coyne, retiring after 25 years of service for the Vatican observatory,
said, "The classical question as to whether the human being came
about by chance, and so has no need of God, or by necessity, and so
through the action of a designer God, is no longer valid."
Schonborn had written in the New York Times that "neo-Darwinian
evolution is not compatible with Catholic doctrine."
Fr. Coyne is being replaced at the Vatican Observatory by Father Funes,
43, a native of Cordoba, Argentina.
Vatican Astronomer Contradicts Cardinal's Support of Catholic
Teaching on Evolution
http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2005/aug/05080901.html
Visit the website of the Vatican Observatory
http://clavius.as.arizona.edu/vo/R1024/VO.html
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| User: "Roy Jose Lorr" |
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| Title: Re: Reich-Wing Re: Vatican Dumps Darwinist-Boosting Astronomer |
06 Sep 2006 01:49:32 PM |
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Bill Snyder wrote:
On Wed, 06 Sep 2006 10:15:24 -0700, Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net>
wrote:
William December Starr wrote:
In article <J_udneRf5-Xj2GPZnZ2dnUVZ_rWdnZ2d@comcast.com>,
Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net> said:
Now refuse to look yet again, and then go back to claiming
there's no evidence, liar.
How can I be a 'liar' if I believe what I say?
Because you know that what you claim you believe is not true.
So, you know me better than I know myself. LOL
Yes, child, you actually *do* embody that precise intersection of
stupidity and transparency.
Aren't you embarrassed that a 'stupid transparent child' is
your intellectual better?
Yeah, right. You aren't the intellectual better of a flatworm, let
alone any human being.
So you pray.
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| User: "Bill Snyder" |
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| Title: Re: Reich-Wing Re: Vatican Dumps Darwinist-Boosting Astronomer |
06 Sep 2006 02:46:31 PM |
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On Wed, 06 Sep 2006 11:49:32 -0700, Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net>
wrote:
Bill Snyder wrote:
On Wed, 06 Sep 2006 10:15:24 -0700, Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net>
wrote:
William December Starr wrote:
In article <J_udneRf5-Xj2GPZnZ2dnUVZ_rWdnZ2d@comcast.com>,
Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net> said:
Now refuse to look yet again, and then go back to claiming
there's no evidence, liar.
How can I be a 'liar' if I believe what I say?
Because you know that what you claim you believe is not true.
So, you know me better than I know myself. LOL
Yes, child, you actually *do* embody that precise intersection of
stupidity and transparency.
Aren't you embarrassed that a 'stupid transparent child' is
your intellectual better?
Yeah, right. You aren't the intellectual better of a flatworm, let
alone any human being.
So you pray.
So you imagine.
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Bill Snyder [This space unintentionally left blank.]
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| User: "Free Lunch" |
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05 Sep 2006 11:23:58 PM |
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On Tue, 05 Sep 2006 20:51:56 -0700, in alt.atheism
Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net> wrote in
<J_udneRf5-Xj2GPZnZ2dnUVZ_rWdnZ2d@comcast.com>:
Free Lunch wrote:
On Tue, 05 Sep 2006 19:20:58 -0700, in alt.atheism
Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net> wrote in
<COqdnVA0cPC2rWPZnZ2dnUVZ_oKdnZ2d@comcast.com>:
Bill Snyder wrote:
...
Now refuse to look yet again, and then go back to claiming there's no
evidence, liar.
How can I be a 'liar' if I believe what I say?
Because you know that what you claim you believe is not true.
So, you know me better than I know myself. LOL
You've been educated about what might charitably have been described as
mistakes. Since you now know that your mistaken belief was wrong,
repeating that mistaken belief uncorrected makes you a liar.
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| User: "Roy Jose Lorr" |
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| Title: Re: Reich-Wing Re: Vatican Dumps Darwinist-Boosting Astronomer |
06 Sep 2006 12:48:44 AM |
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Free Lunch wrote:
On Tue, 05 Sep 2006 20:51:56 -0700, in alt.atheism
Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net> wrote in
<J_udneRf5-Xj2GPZnZ2dnUVZ_rWdnZ2d@comcast.com>:
Free Lunch wrote:
On Tue, 05 Sep 2006 19:20:58 -0700, in alt.atheism
Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net> wrote in
<COqdnVA0cPC2rWPZnZ2dnUVZ_oKdnZ2d@comcast.com>:
Bill Snyder wrote:
...
Now refuse to look yet again, and then go back to claiming there's no
evidence, liar.
How can I be a 'liar' if I believe what I say?
Because you know that what you claim you believe is not true.
So, you know me better than I know myself. LOL
You've been educated about what might charitably have been described as
mistakes. Since you now know that your mistaken belief was wrong,
repeating that mistaken belief uncorrected makes you a liar.
I see, if I don't accept your belief, I'm a liar. Lucky for
me you're not a moslem else I'd dead, eh?
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| User: "Free Lunch" |
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| Title: Re: Reich-Wing Re: Vatican Dumps Darwinist-Boosting Astronomer |
06 Sep 2006 07:07:26 AM |
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On Tue, 05 Sep 2006 22:48:44 -0700, in alt.atheism
Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net> wrote in
<dY2dnSLCXPdC_WPZnZ2dnUVZ_rmdnZ2d@comcast.com>:
Free Lunch wrote:
On Tue, 05 Sep 2006 20:51:56 -0700, in alt.atheism
Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net> wrote in
<J_udneRf5-Xj2GPZnZ2dnUVZ_rWdnZ2d@comcast.com>:
Free Lunch wrote:
On Tue, 05 Sep 2006 19:20:58 -0700, in alt.atheism
Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net> wrote in
<COqdnVA0cPC2rWPZnZ2dnUVZ_oKdnZ2d@comcast.com>:
Bill Snyder wrote:
...
Now refuse to look yet again, and then go back to claiming there's no
evidence, liar.
How can I be a 'liar' if I believe what I say?
Because you know that what you claim you believe is not true.
So, you know me better than I know myself. LOL
You've been educated about what might charitably have been described as
mistakes. Since you now know that your mistaken belief was wrong,
repeating that mistaken belief uncorrected makes you a liar.
I see, if I don't accept your belief, I'm a liar. Lucky for
me you're not a moslem else I'd dead, eh?
No, you are a liar when you tell lies. The evidence about science is not
a belief, it is a collection of facts. Those are the lies you tell. That
is what makes you a liar.
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| User: "Roy Jose Lorr" |
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| Title: Re: Reich-Wing Re: Vatican Dumps Darwinist-Boosting Astronomer |
06 Sep 2006 11:41:26 AM |
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Free Lunch wrote:
On Tue, 05 Sep 2006 22:48:44 -0700, in alt.atheism
Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net> wrote in
<dY2dnSLCXPdC_WPZnZ2dnUVZ_rmdnZ2d@comcast.com>:
Free Lunch wrote:
On Tue, 05 Sep 2006 20:51:56 -0700, in alt.atheism
Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net> wrote in
<J_udneRf5-Xj2GPZnZ2dnUVZ_rWdnZ2d@comcast.com>:
Free Lunch wrote:
On Tue, 05 Sep 2006 19:20:58 -0700, in alt.atheism
Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net> wrote in
<COqdnVA0cPC2rWPZnZ2dnUVZ_oKdnZ2d@comcast.com>:
Bill Snyder wrote:
...
Now refuse to look yet again, and then go back to claiming there's no
evidence, liar.
How can I be a 'liar' if I believe what I say?
Because you know that what you claim you believe is not true.
So, you know me better than I know myself. LOL
You've been educated about what might charitably have been described as
mistakes. Since you now know that your mistaken belief was wrong,
repeating that mistaken belief uncorrected makes you a liar.
I see, if I don't accept your belief, I'm a liar. Lucky for
me you're not a moslem else I'd dead, eh?
No, you are a liar when you tell lies. The evidence about science is not
a belief, it is a collection of facts. Those are the lies you tell. That
is what makes you a liar.
I see, science is a collection of facts and if you question
those "facts" you are a liar. I guess according to science,
Galileo and Copernicus and Newton and etc. were all liars.
Does insanity run in your family?
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| User: "William December Starr" |
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| Title: Re: Reich-Wing Re: Vatican Dumps Darwinist-Boosting Astronomer |
07 Sep 2006 02:57:53 AM |
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In article <BPadnS0dpsNeZGPZnZ2dnUVZ_tydnZ2d@comcast.com>,
Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net> said:
Free Lunch wrote:
No, you are a liar when you tell lies. The evidence about science
is not a belief, it is a collection of facts. Those are the lies
you tell. That is what makes you a liar.
I see,
You're lying again.
--
William December Starr <wdstarr@panix.com>
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| User: "Rand Simberg" |
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| Title: Re: Reich-Wing Re: Vatican Dumps Darwinist-Boosting Astronomer |
06 Sep 2006 01:22:55 PM |
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On Wed, 06 Sep 2006 09:41:26 -0700, in a place far, far away, Roy Jose
Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net> made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such
a way as to indicate that:
No, you are a liar when you tell lies. The evidence about science is not
a belief, it is a collection of facts. Those are the lies you tell. That
is what makes you a liar.
I see, science is a collection of facts and if you question
those "facts" you are a liar.
No, science is not a collection of facts. The evidence for scientific
theories is a collection of facts. Science is a method, not a
collection of facts.
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| User: "Roy Jose Lorr" |
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| Title: Re: Reich-Wing Re: Vatican Dumps Darwinist-Boosting Astronomer |
06 Sep 2006 01:59:25 PM |
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Rand Simberg wrote:
On Wed, 06 Sep 2006 09:41:26 -0700, in a place far, far away, Roy Jose
Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net> made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such
a way as to indicate that:
No, you are a liar when you tell lies. The evidence about science is not
a belief, it is a collection of facts. Those are the lies you tell. That
is what makes you a liar.
I see, science is a collection of facts and if you question
those "facts" you are a liar.
No, science is not a collection of facts. The evidence for scientific
theories is a collection of facts. Science is a method, not a
collection of facts.
Its not I who claimed 'science is a collection of facts'.
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| User: "Rand Simberg" |
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06 Sep 2006 02:18:30 PM |
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On Wed, 06 Sep 2006 11:59:25 -0700, in a place far, far away, Roy Jose
Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net> made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such
a way as to indicate that:
Rand Simberg wrote:
On Wed, 06 Sep 2006 09:41:26 -0700, in a place far, far away, Roy Jose
Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net> made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such
a way as to indicate that:
No, you are a liar when you tell lies. The evidence about science is not
a belief, it is a collection of facts. Those are the lies you tell. That
is what makes you a liar.
I see, science is a collection of facts and if you question
those "facts" you are a liar.
No, science is not a collection of facts. The evidence for scientific
theories is a collection of facts. Science is a method, not a
collection of facts.
Its not I who claimed 'science is a collection of facts'.
No one said it was. Work on your reading comprehension.
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| User: "Alan Anderson" |
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06 Sep 2006 08:45:40 PM |
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Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net> wrote:
Rand Simberg wrote:
On Wed, 06 Sep 2006 09:41:26 -0700, in a place far, far away, Roy Jose
Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net> made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such
a way as to indicate that:
No, you are a liar when you tell lies. The evidence about science is not
a belief, it is a collection of facts. Those are the lies you tell. That
is what makes you a liar.
I see, science is a collection of facts and if you question
those "facts" you are a liar.
No, science is not a collection of facts. The evidence for scientific
theories is a collection of facts. Science is a method, not a
collection of facts.
Its not I who claimed 'science is a collection of facts'.
The quoted text contradicts you. You are indeed the one who used that
phrase. Will you now admit that what you just said is false, or will
you continue to maintain that you are not lying?
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| User: "Roy Jose Lorr" |
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| Title: Re: Reich-Wing Re: Vatican Dumps Darwinist-Boosting Astronomer |
06 Sep 2006 09:31:49 PM |
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Alan Anderson wrote:
Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net> wrote:
Rand Simberg wrote:
On Wed, 06 Sep 2006 09:41:26 -0700, in a place far, far away, Roy Jose
Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net> made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such
a way as to indicate that:
No, you are a liar when you tell lies. The evidence about science is not
a belief, it is a collection of facts. Those are the lies you tell. That
is what makes you a liar.
I see, science is a collection of facts and if you question
those "facts" you are a liar.
No, science is not a collection of facts. The evidence for scientific
theories is a collection of facts. Science is a method, not a
collection of facts.
Its not I who claimed 'science is a collection of facts'.
The quoted text contradicts you. You are indeed the one who used that
phrase. Will you now admit that what you just said is false, or will
you continue to maintain that you are not lying?
Naughty, naughty. You misrepresent my sarcasm out of
exploitative mendacity reason. You are the liar, chumly.
You're also a moron since my sarcastic remark is visible on
this page for any nit wit to see.
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| User: "Alan Anderson" |
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06 Sep 2006 09:35:12 PM |
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Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net> wrote:
Alan Anderson wrote:
Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net> wrote:
Rand Simberg wrote:
On Wed, 06 Sep 2006 09:41:26 -0700, in a place far, far away, Roy Jose
Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net> made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such
a way as to indicate that:
I see, science is a collection of facts and if you question
those "facts" you are a liar.
No, science is not a collection of facts...
Its not I who claimed 'science is a collection of facts'.
The quoted text contradicts you. You are indeed the one who used that
phrase. Will you now admit that what you just said is false, or will
you continue to maintain that you are not lying?
Naughty, naughty. You misrepresent my sarcasm out of
exploitative mendacity reason. You are the liar, chumly.
You're also a moron since my sarcastic remark is visible on
this page for any nit wit to see.
Are you saying that stating that you didn't say what you clearly said
was intended as sarcasm?
No, forget I asked. I won't see your answer anyway.
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| User: "Roy Jose Lorr" |
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| Title: Re: Reich-Wing Re: Vatican Dumps Darwinist-Boosting Astronomer |
06 Sep 2006 09:45:14 PM |
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Alan Anderson wrote:
Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net> wrote:
Alan Anderson wrote:
Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net> wrote:
Rand Simberg wrote:
On Wed, 06 Sep 2006 09:41:26 -0700, in a place far, far away, Roy Jose
Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net> made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such
a way as to indicate that:
I see, science is a collection of facts and if you question
those "facts" you are a liar.
No, science is not a collection of facts...
Its not I who claimed 'science is a collection of facts'.
The quoted text contradicts you. You are indeed the one who used that
phrase. Will you now admit that what you just said is false, or will
you continue to maintain that you are not lying?
Naughty, naughty. You misrepresent my sarcasm out of
exploitative mendacity reason. You are the liar, chumly.
You're also a moron since my sarcastic remark is visible on
this page for any nit wit to see.
Are you saying that stating that you didn't say what you clearly said
was intended as sarcasm?
Lying is good.
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| User: "Rand Simberg" |
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06 Sep 2006 08:52:23 PM |
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On Wed, 06 Sep 2006 21:45:40 -0400, in a place far, far away, Alan
Anderson <aranders@insightbb.com> made the phosphor on my monitor glow
in such a way as to indicate that:
No, you are a liar when you tell lies. The evidence about science is not
a belief, it is a collection of facts. Those are the lies you tell. That
is what makes you a liar.
I see, science is a collection of facts and if you question
those "facts" you are a liar.
No, science is not a collection of facts. The evidence for scientific
theories is a collection of facts. Science is a method, not a
collection of facts.
Its not I who claimed 'science is a collection of facts'.
The quoted text contradicts you. You are indeed the one who used that
phrase. Will you now admit that what you just said is false, or will
you continue to maintain that you are not lying?
I think we know the answer. We've dealt with this troll for too
long...
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| User: "Roy Jose Lorr" |
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| Title: Re: Reich-Wing Re: Vatican Dumps Darwinist-Boosting Astronomer |
06 Sep 2006 09:33:00 PM |
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Rand Simberg wrote:
On Wed, 06 Sep 2006 21:45:40 -0400, in a place far, far away, Alan
Anderson <aranders@insightbb.com> made the phosphor on my monitor glow
in such a way as to indicate that:
No, you are a liar when you tell lies. The evidence about science is not
a belief, it is a collection of facts. Those are the lies you tell. That
is what makes you a liar.
I see, science is a collection of facts and if you question
those "facts" you are a liar.
No, science is not a collection of facts. The evidence for scientific
theories is a collection of facts. Science is a method, not a
collection of facts.
Its not I who claimed 'science is a collection of facts'.
The quoted text contradicts you. You are indeed the one who used that
phrase. Will you now admit that what you just said is false, or will
you continue to maintain that you are not lying?
I think we know the answer. We've dealt with this troll for too
long...
Atheists publicly stroking each other is good.
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| User: "Bill Snyder" |
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| Title: Re: Reich-Wing Re: Vatican Dumps Darwinist-Boosting Astronomer |
07 Sep 2006 08:28:18 AM |
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On Wed, 06 Sep 2006 19:33:00 -0700, Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net>
wrote:
Rand Simberg wrote:
On Wed, 06 Sep 2006 21:45:40 -0400, in a place far, far away, Alan
Anderson <aranders@insightbb.com> made the phosphor on my monitor glow
in such a way as to indicate that:
No, you are a liar when you tell lies. The evidence about science is not
a belief, it is a collection of facts. Those are the lies you tell. That
is what makes you a liar.
I see, science is a collection of facts and if you question
those "facts" you are a liar.
No, science is not a collection of facts. The evidence for scientific
theories is a collection of facts. Science is a method, not a
collection of facts.
Its not I who claimed 'science is a collection of facts'.
The quoted text contradicts you. You are indeed the one who used that
phrase. Will you now admit that what you just said is false, or will
you continue to maintain that you are not lying?
I think we know the answer. We've dealt with this troll for too
long...
Atheists publicly stroking each other is good.
Liars publicly stroking themselves is pitiable, but also amusing. I
think it's the magnifying glass and the tweezers that makes it so
funny.
--
Bill Snyder [This space unintentionally left blank.]
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| User: "Free Lunch" |
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06 Sep 2006 05:24:48 PM |
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On Wed, 06 Sep 2006 09:41:26 -0700, in alt.atheism
Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net> wrote in
<BPadnS0dpsNeZGPZnZ2dnUVZ_tydnZ2d@comcast.com>:
Free Lunch wrote:
On Tue, 05 Sep 2006 22:48:44 -0700, in alt.atheism
Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net> wrote in
<dY2dnSLCXPdC_WPZnZ2dnUVZ_rmdnZ2d@comcast.com>:
Free Lunch wrote:
On Tue, 05 Sep 2006 20:51:56 -0700, in alt.atheism
Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net> wrote in
<J_udneRf5-Xj2GPZnZ2dnUVZ_rWdnZ2d@comcast.com>:
Free Lunch wrote:
On Tue, 05 Sep 2006 19:20:58 -0700, in alt.atheism
Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net> wrote in
<COqdnVA0cPC2rWPZnZ2dnUVZ_oKdnZ2d@comcast.com>:
Bill Snyder wrote:
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Now refuse to look yet again, and then go back to claiming there's no
evidence, liar.
How can I be a 'liar' if I believe what I say?
Because you know that what you claim you believe is not true.
So, you know me better than I know myself. LOL
You've been educated about what might charitably have been described as
mistakes. Since you now know that your mistaken belief was wrong,
repeating that mistaken belief uncorrected makes you a liar.
I see, if I don't accept your belief, I'm a liar. Lucky for
me you're not a moslem else I'd dead, eh?
No, you are a liar when you tell lies. The evidence about science is not
a belief, it is a collection of facts. Those are the lies you tell. That
is what makes you a liar.
I see, science is a collection of facts and if you question
those "facts" you are a liar. I guess according to science,
Galileo and Copernicus and Newton and etc. were all liars.
Are you illiterate or merely totally dishonest? I said that the evidence
is the collection of facts. Galileo, Copernicus, Newton et al. used the
evidence to show that the understanding was wrong.
Does insanity run in your family?
I will try to write short sentences. I don't want to confuse you
further.
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| Title: Re: Reich-Wing Re: Vatican Dumps Darwinist-Boosting Astronomer |
06 Sep 2006 06:10:15 PM |
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Free Lunch wrote:
On Wed, 06 Sep 2006 09:41:26 -0700, in alt.atheism
Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net> wrote in
<BPadnS0dpsNeZGPZnZ2dnUVZ_tydnZ2d@comcast.com>:
Free Lunch wrote:
On Tue, 05 Sep 2006 22:48:44 -0700, in alt.atheism
Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net> wrote in
<dY2dnSLCXPdC_WPZnZ2dnUVZ_rmdnZ2d@comcast.com>:
Free Lunch wrote:
On Tue, 05 Sep 2006 20:51:56 -0700, in alt.atheism
Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net> wrote in
<J_udneRf5-Xj2GPZnZ2dnUVZ_rWdnZ2d@comcast.com>:
Free Lunch wrote:
On Tue, 05 Sep 2006 19:20:58 -0700, in alt.atheism
Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net> wrote in
<COqdnVA0cPC2rWPZnZ2dnUVZ_oKdnZ2d@comcast.com>:
Bill Snyder wrote:
...
Now refuse to look yet again, and then go back to claiming there's no
evidence, liar.
How can I be a 'liar' if I believe what I say?
Because you know that what you claim you believe is not true.
So, you know me better than I know myself. LOL
You've been educated about what might charitably have been described as
mistakes. Since you now know that your mistaken belief was wrong,
repeating that mistaken belief uncorrected makes you a liar.
I see, if I don't accept your belief, I'm a liar. Lucky for
me you're not a moslem else I'd dead, eh?
No, you are a liar when you tell lies. The evidence about science is not
a belief, it is a collection of facts. Those are the lies you tell. That
is what makes you a liar.
I see, science is a collection of facts and if you question
those "facts" you are a liar. I guess according to science,
Galileo and Copernicus and Newton and etc. were all liars.
Are you illiterate or merely totally dishonest? I said that the evidence
is the collection of facts. Galileo, Copernicus, Newton et al. used the
evidence to show that the understanding was wrong.
Riight.
Does insanity run in your family?
I will try to write short sentences. I don't want to confuse you
further.
Good idea.
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| User: "Volker Hetzer" |
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| Title: Re: Reich-Wing Re: Vatican Dumps Darwinist-Boosting Astronomer |
05 Sep 2006 03:47:30 AM |
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Roy Jose Lorr wrote:
Speciation has been observed, you contemptible liar, and that fact has
been pointed out to you before.
Petrie dish hocus pocus is not evidence of one species changing into
another.
"Petrie dish hocus pocus". The fact that you don't understand the evidence
doesn't mean it's not there.
But of course, every believers understanding of the world is perfect, so,
everything he/she doesn't understand with their one puny little brain must be
evidence of god for it's clearly not understandable at all by /anybody/,
be it earth human, alien or whatever and therefore divine.
There might be limits to what we can understand of the world and math teaches
us that some things are not provable at all. /However/, evidence so far
shows a positive relationship between trying and getting results, with no
sign of abating.
As a believer, you give up trying to understand much sooner than a scientist
(and flee into a world full of simple fantasies). That is your right, of course,
but, as a consequence, whenever you try to argue, nonsense like your sentence
above will result.
Volker
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| User: "Roy Jose Lorr" |
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| Title: Re: Reich-Wing Re: Vatican Dumps Darwinist-Boosting Astronomer |
05 Sep 2006 09:29:01 AM |
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Volker Hetzer wrote:
Roy Jose Lorr wrote:
Speciation has been observed, you contemptible liar, and that fact has
been pointed out to you before.
Petrie dish hocus pocus is not evidence of one species changing into
another.
"Petrie dish hocus pocus". The fact that you don't understand the evidence
doesn't mean it's not there.
What's to understand? There's no evidence of "Darwinian
evolution" in a petrie dish. Its you who apparently don't
understand your own religion.
But of course, every believers understanding of the world is perfect, so,
everything he/she doesn't understand with their one puny little brain
must be
evidence of god for it's clearly not understandable at all by /anybody/,
be it earth human, alien or whatever and therefore divine.
There might be limits to what we can understand of the world and math
teaches
us that some things are not provable at all. /However/, evidence so far
shows a positive relationship between trying and getting results, with no
sign of abating.
As a believer, you give up trying to understand much sooner than a
scientist
(and flee into a world full of simple fantasies). That is your right, of
course,
but, as a consequence, whenever you try to argue, nonsense like your
sentence
above will result.
Spoken like a true religious, evolution fundamentalist.
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| User: "Rand Simberg" |
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| Title: Re: Reich-Wing Re: Vatican Dumps Darwinist-Boosting Astronomer |
03 Sep 2006 01:12:13 PM |
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On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 08:34:40 -0700, in a place far, far away, Roy Jose
Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net> made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such
a way as to indicate that:
alexterrell@yahoo.com wrote:
That is a problem of treating it literally. Belief in God is a faifth.
You can choose to believe, or you can choose not to believe.
If you are rational, you have no choice to accept evolution (you can
argue over the details "mild" Intelligent Design could fit within
evolution), because the evidence is so overwhelming. (Its like global
warming).
Since there is no evidence of one species changing into
another, you must choose to believe "evolution" on faith.
There is literally tons of evidence of it. The fact that no one has
personally seen it happen (even if that were a fact) does not mean
that there is no evidence. Circumstantial evidence is in fact much
more reliable than eyewitness testimony.
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| User: "Roy Jose Lorr" |
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| Title: Re: Reich-Wing Re: Vatican Dumps Darwinist-Boosting Astronomer |
04 Sep 2006 11:51:42 PM |
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Rand Simberg wrote:
On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 08:34:40 -0700, in a place far, far away, Roy Jose
Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net> made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such
a way as to indicate that:
alexterrell@yahoo.com wrote:
That is a problem of treating it literally. Belief in God is a faifth.
You can choose to believe, or you can choose not to believe.
If you are rational, you have no choice to accept evolution (you can
argue over the details "mild" Intelligent Design could fit within
evolution), because the evidence is so overwhelming. (Its like global
warming).
Since there is no evidence of one species changing into
another, you must choose to believe "evolution" on faith.
There is literally tons of evidence of it.
Not a scrap of evidence showing one species changing into
another.
..
The fact that no one has
personally seen it happen (even if that were a fact) does not mean
that there is no evidence. Circumstantial evidence is in fact much
more reliable than eyewitness testimony.
'Circumstantial' evidence is not scientific.
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| User: "William December Starr" |
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| Title: Re: Reich-Wing Re: Vatican Dumps Darwinist-Boosting Astronomer |
06 Sep 2006 01:46:58 AM |
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In article <45257021.320254141@news.giganews.com>,
simberg.interglobal@org.trash (Rand Simberg) said:
On Mon, 04 Sep 2006 21:51:42 -0700, in a place far, far away, Roy
Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net> made the phosphor on my monitor
glow in such a way as to indicate that:
'Circumstantial' evidence is not scientific.
Of course it is. You seem to be profoundly ignorant of science.
Well he _has_ to be, doesn't he? It's fundamental to his self-identity.
--
William December Starr <wdstarr@panix.com>
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| User: "Roy Jose Lorr" |
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| Title: Re: Reich-Wing Re: Vatican Dumps Darwinist-Boosting Astronomer |
06 Sep 2006 12:26:49 PM |
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William December Starr wrote:
In article <45257021.320254141@news.giganews.com>,
simberg.interglobal@org.trash (Rand Simberg) said:
On Mon, 04 Sep 2006 21:51:42 -0700, in a place far, far away, Roy
Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net> made the phosphor on my monitor
glow in such a way as to indicate that:
'Circumstantial' evidence is not scientific.
Of course it is. You seem to be profoundly ignorant of science.
Well he _has_ to be, doesn't he? It's fundamental to his self-identity.
Atheists publicly stroking each other is good.
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| User: "Bill Snyder" |
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| Title: Re: Reich-Wing Re: Vatican Dumps Darwinist-Boosting Astronomer |
06 Sep 2006 09:10:53 PM |
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On Wed, 06 Sep 2006 10:26:49 -0700, Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net>
wrote:
William December Starr wrote:
In article <45257021.320254141@news.giganews.com>,
simberg.interglobal@org.trash (Rand Simberg) said:
On Mon, 04 Sep 2006 21:51:42 -0700, in a place far, far away, Roy
Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net> made the phosphor on my monitor
glow in such a way as to indicate that:
'Circumstantial' evidence is not scientific.
Of course it is. You seem to be profoundly ignorant of science.
Well he _has_ to be, doesn't he? It's fundamental to his self-identity.
Atheists publicly stroking each other is good.
How about liars publicly stroking themselves?
--
Bill Snyder [This space unintentionally left blank.]
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| User: "Roy Jose Lorr" |
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| Title: Re: Reich-Wing Re: Vatican Dumps Darwinist-Boosting Astronomer |
06 Sep 2006 09:34:38 PM |
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Bill Snyder wrote:
On Wed, 06 Sep 2006 10:26:49 -0700, Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net>
wrote:
William December Starr wrote:
In article <45257021.320254141@news.giganews.com>,
simberg.interglobal@org.trash (Rand Simberg) said:
On Mon, 04 Sep 2006 21:51:42 -0700, in a place far, far away, Roy
Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net> made the phosphor on my monitor
glow in such a way as to indicate that:
'Circumstantial' evidence is not scientific.
Of course it is. You seem to be profoundly ignorant of science.
Well he _has_ to be, doesn't he? It's fundamental to his self-identity.
Atheists publicly stroking each other is good.
How about liars publicly stroking themselves?
You're good at that as well.
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| User: "Bill Snyder" |
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| Title: Re: Reich-Wing Re: Vatican Dumps Darwinist-Boosting Astronomer |
07 Sep 2006 08:29:56 AM |
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On Wed, 06 Sep 2006 19:34:38 -0700, Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net>
wrote:
Bill Snyder wrote:
On Wed, 06 Sep 2006 10:26:49 -0700, Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net>
wrote:
William December Starr wrote:
In article <45257021.320254141@news.giganews.com>,
simberg.interglobal@org.trash (Rand Simberg) said:
On Mon, 04 Sep 2006 21:51:42 -0700, in a place far, far away, Roy
Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net> made the phosphor on my monitor
glow in such a way as to indicate that:
'Circumstantial' evidence is not scientific.
Of course it is. You seem to be profoundly ignorant of science.
Well he _has_ to be, doesn't he? It's fundamental to his self-identity.
Atheists publicly stroking each other is good.
How about liars publicly stroking themselves?
You're good at that as well.
"I'm rubber, you're glue . . ."
--
Bill Snyder [This space unintentionally left blank.]
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| User: "Roy Jose Lorr" |
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| Title: Re: Reich-Wing Re: Vatican Dumps Darwinist-Boosting Astronomer |
05 Sep 2006 09:30:16 AM |
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Rand Simberg wrote:
On Mon, 04 Sep 2006 21:51:42 -0700, in a place far, far away, Roy Jose
Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net> made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such
a way as to indicate that:
Since there is no evidence of one species changing into
another, you must choose to believe "evolution" on faith.
There is literally tons of evidence of it.
Not a scrap of evidence showing one species changing into
another.
.
The fact that no one has
personally seen it happen (even if that were a fact) does not mean
that there is no evidence. Circumstantial evidence is in fact much
more reliable than eyewitness testimony.
'Circumstantial' evidence is not scientific.
Of course it is. You seem to be profoundly ignorant of science.
Is that so? Perhaps you'd care to elaborate?
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| User: "Rand Simberg" |
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| Title: Re: Reich-Wing Re: Vatican Dumps Darwinist-Boosting Astronomer |
05 Sep 2006 09:30:12 AM |
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On Tue, 05 Sep 2006 07:30:16 -0700, in a place far, far away, Roy Jose
Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net> made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such
a way as to indicate that:
'Circumstantial' evidence is not scientific.
Of course it is. You seem to be profoundly ignorant of science.
Is that so? Perhaps you'd care to elaborate?
No elaboration required. Circumstantial evidence constitutes the bulk
of evidence of scientific theories. You don't understand this. Ergo,
you are profoundly ignorant of science.
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