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"Sound of Trumpet" |
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29 Aug 2006 05:22:02 PM |
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Vatican Dumps Darwinist-Boosting Astronomer |
http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2006/aug/06082104.html
Monday August 21, 2006
Vatican Dumps Darwinist-Boosting Astronomer
By Hilary White
ROME, August 21, 2006 (LifeSiteNews.com) - The Jesuit
priest-astronomer who vocally opposed the Catholic understanding of
God-directed creation, has been removed from his post as head of the
Vatican observatory.
Fr. George Coyne has been head of the Vatican observatory for 25 years
is an expert in astrophysics with an interest in the interstellar
medium, stars with extended atmospheres and Seyfert galaxies. He also
appointed himself as an expert in evolutionary biology and theology
last summer in an article for the UK's liberal Catholic magazine, The
Tablet.
Fr. Coyne was writing against Christoph Cardinal Schonborn, a principal
author of the Catholic catechism, who said that an "unplanned process
of random variation and natural selection," both important parts of
evolutionary thinking, are incompatible with Catholic belief in God's
ordering and guiding of creation.
Coyne, retiring after 25 years of service for the Vatican observatory,
said, "The classical question as to whether the human being came
about by chance, and so has no need of God, or by necessity, and so
through the action of a designer God, is no longer valid."
Schonborn had written in the New York Times that "neo-Darwinian
evolution is not compatible with Catholic doctrine."
Fr. Coyne is being replaced at the Vatican Observatory by Father Funes,
43, a native of Cordoba, Argentina.
Vatican Astronomer Contradicts Cardinal's Support of Catholic
Teaching on Evolution
http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2005/aug/05080901.html
Visit the website of the Vatican Observatory
http://clavius.as.arizona.edu/vo/R1024/VO.html
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30 Aug 2006 12:07:46 AM |
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In article <1156890122.907362.13770@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
"Sound of Trumpet" <soundoftrumpet@bluebottle.com> wrote:
http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2006/aug/06082104.html
Monday August 21, 2006
Vatican Dumps Darwinist-Boosting Astronomer
By Hilary White
ROME, August 21, 2006 (LifeSiteNews.com) - The Jesuit
priest-astronomer who vocally opposed the Catholic understanding of
God-directed creation, has been removed from his post as head of the
Vatican observatory.
Galileo redux.
They never learn.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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| User: "Wilson Heydt" |
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30 Aug 2006 02:46:50 PM |
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In article <1156890122.907362.13770@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
Vatican Dumps Darwinist-Boosting Astronomer
Get clue idiot. he quit becasue he has cancer 9and is fairly
old). he's undergoing chemotherapy.
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Hal Heydt
Albany, CA
My dime, my opinions.
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| User: "Double-A" |
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29 Aug 2006 05:43:49 PM |
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Sound of Trumpet wrote:
http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2006/aug/06082104.html
Monday August 21, 2006
Vatican Dumps Darwinist-Boosting Astronomer
By Hilary White
ROME, August 21, 2006 (LifeSiteNews.com) - The Jesuit
priest-astronomer who vocally opposed the Catholic understanding of
God-directed creation, has been removed from his post as head of the
Vatican observatory.
Fr. George Coyne has been head of the Vatican observatory for 25 years
is an expert in astrophysics with an interest in the interstellar
medium, stars with extended atmospheres and Seyfert galaxies. He also
appointed himself as an expert in evolutionary biology and theology
last summer in an article for the UK's liberal Catholic magazine, The
Tablet.
Fr. Coyne was writing against Christoph Cardinal Schonborn, a principal
author of the Catholic catechism, who said that an "unplanned process
of random variation and natural selection," both important parts of
evolutionary thinking, are incompatible with Catholic belief in God's
ordering and guiding of creation.
Coyne, retiring after 25 years of service for the Vatican observatory,
said, "The classical question as to whether the human being came
about by chance, and so has no need of God, or by necessity, and so
through the action of a designer God, is no longer valid."
Schonborn had written in the New York Times that "neo-Darwinian
evolution is not compatible with Catholic doctrine."
Fr. Coyne is being replaced at the Vatican Observatory by Father Funes,
43, a native of Cordoba, Argentina.
Vatican Astronomer Contradicts Cardinal's Support of Catholic
Teaching on Evolution
http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2005/aug/05080901.html
Visit the website of the Vatican Observatory
http://clavius.as.arizona.edu/vo/R1024/VO.html
Galileo but not Darwin?
http://www.cas.muohio.edu/~marcumsd/p111/lectures/grehab.htm
Double-A
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| User: "JTEM" |
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| Title: Reich-Wing Re: Vatican Dumps Darwinist-Boosting Astronomer |
29 Aug 2006 10:29:50 PM |
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Sound of Trumpet wrote:
http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2006/aug/06082104.html
Monday August 21, 2006
Vatican Dumps Darwinist-Boosting Astronomer
By Hilary White
False alarm. The headline reflects the propaganda
goals of the Reich-wing, and not reality.
Fact is, the man was born in 1933. If you're having
some difficulty with the math (and if you're a
creationist git then surely you are) that would make
him 73 years old.
There really isn't anything special about the Vatican
retiring a 73 y.o. man who's been on the job for 25
years.
Problem is, America's Reich-wing needs everyone to
believe that "Creationism" equals "Christian," while
"Evolution" means "Godless secularism." So they
spin the retirement of a 73 y.o. man as "Dumping"
him for daring to contradict the purely fundamentalist
Protestant take on creationism.
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| User: "Elf M. Sternberg" |
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31 Aug 2006 10:51:43 AM |
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"JTEM" <jtem01@gmail.com> writes:
Sound of Trumpet wrote:
http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2006/aug/06082104.html
Monday August 21, 2006
Vatican Dumps Darwinist-Boosting Astronomer
By Hilary White
False alarm. The headline reflects the propaganda
goals of the Reich-wing, and not reality.
Fact is, the man was born in 1933. If you're having
some difficulty with the math (and if you're a
creationist git then surely you are) that would make
him 73 years old.
He's also entering a hospital to undergo chemotherapy for
cancer. As far as anyone knows, his successor is as straight-shooting
a scientist as one can find.
Elf
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| User: "quibbler" |
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30 Aug 2006 07:49:34 AM |
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In article <1156908590.841264.253760@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
jtem01@gmail.com says...
Sound of Trumpet wrote:
http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2006/aug/06082104.html
Monday August 21, 2006
Vatican Dumps Darwinist-Boosting Astronomer
By Hilary White
False alarm. The headline reflects the propaganda
goals of the Reich-wing, and not reality.
Fact is, the man was born in 1933. If you're having
some difficulty with the math (and if you're a
creationist git then surely you are) that would make
him 73 years old.
And he has cancer. Both is age and medical condition would be pretty
good reasons for retiring. If the vatican opposes his views then the
pope can just flat out contradict him on the spot. There's no need for
them to beat around the bush. The fact is that the vatican doesn't know
what lie to tell next, so, for now, they're keeping their ignorant mouths
shut.
--
Quibbler (quibbler247atyahoo.com)
"It is fashionable to wax apocalyptic about the
threat to humanity posed by the AIDS virus, 'mad cow'
disease, and many others, but I think a case can be
made that faith is one of the world's great evils,
comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to
eradicate." -- Richard Dawkins
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| User: "Rand Simberg" |
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| Title: Re: Reich-Wing Re: Vatican Dumps Darwinist-Boosting Astronomer |
30 Aug 2006 09:27:15 AM |
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On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 06:49:34 -0600, in a place far, far away, quibbler
<quibbler247@yahoo.com> made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such a
way as to indicate that:
Fact is, the man was born in 1933. If you're having
some difficulty with the math (and if you're a
creationist git then surely you are) that would make
him 73 years old.
And he has cancer. Both is age and medical condition would be pretty
good reasons for retiring. If the vatican opposes his views then the
pope can just flat out contradict him on the spot. There's no need for
them to beat around the bush. The fact is that the vatican doesn't know
what lie to tell next, so, for now, they're keeping their ignorant mouths
shut.
Speaking of keeping ignorant mouths shut, maybe you should work on
your own. The Church does not oppose evolution. Creationism is a
Protestant thing.
http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/01/18/news/evolution.php
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| User: "Eudaemonic Plague" |
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30 Aug 2006 10:54:50 AM |
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"Rand Simberg" <simberg.interglobal@org.trash> wrote in message
news:45399fe9.665690181@news.giganews.com...
: On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 06:49:34 -0600, in a place far, far away,
quibbler
: <quibbler247@yahoo.com> made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such
a
: way as to indicate that:
:
: >> Fact is, the man was born in 1933. If you're having
: >> some difficulty with the math (and if you're a
: >> creationist git then surely you are) that would make
: >> him 73 years old.
: >
: >And he has cancer. Both is age and medical condition would be
pretty
: >good reasons for retiring. If the vatican opposes his views then
the
: >pope can just flat out contradict him on the spot. There's no need
for
: >them to beat around the bush. The fact is that the vatican doesn't
know
: >what lie to tell next, so, for now, they're keeping their ignorant
mouths
: >shut.
:
: Speaking of keeping ignorant mouths shut, maybe you should work on
: your own. The Church does not oppose evolution. Creationism is a
: Protestant thing.
Ah, _where_ exactly did he claim they oppose evolution? Do you enjoy
looking foolish?
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| User: "Eric Chomko" |
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| Title: Re: Reich-Wing Re: Vatican Dumps Darwinist-Boosting Astronomer |
31 Aug 2006 12:17:02 PM |
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Eudaemonic Plague wrote:
"Rand Simberg" <simberg.interglobal@org.trash> wrote in message
news:45399fe9.665690181@news.giganews.com...
: On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 06:49:34 -0600, in a place far, far away,
quibbler
: <quibbler247@yahoo.com> made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such
a
: way as to indicate that:
:
: >> Fact is, the man was born in 1933. If you're having
: >> some difficulty with the math (and if you're a
: >> creationist git then surely you are) that would make
: >> him 73 years old.
: >
: >And he has cancer. Both is age and medical condition would be
pretty
: >good reasons for retiring. If the vatican opposes his views then
the
: >pope can just flat out contradict him on the spot. There's no need
for
: >them to beat around the bush. The fact is that the vatican doesn't
know
: >what lie to tell next, so, for now, they're keeping their ignorant
mouths
: >shut.
:
: Speaking of keeping ignorant mouths shut, maybe you should work on
: your own. The Church does not oppose evolution. Creationism is a
: Protestant thing.
Ah, _where_ exactly did he claim they oppose evolution? Do you enjoy
looking foolish?
Though Rand often looks foolish, there is no evidence that actually
enjoys it.
Eric
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| User: "Rand Simberg" |
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31 Aug 2006 12:30:12 PM |
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On 31 Aug 2006 10:17:02 -0700, in a place far, far away, "Eric Chomko"
<pne.chomko@verizon.net> made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such
a way as to indicate that:
Ah, _where_ exactly did he claim they oppose evolution? Do you enjoy
looking foolish?
Though Rand often looks foolish, there is no evidence that actually
enjoys it.
Boy, that one cracked the glass on my irony meter.
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| User: "Eric Chomko" |
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31 Aug 2006 12:33:08 PM |
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Rand Simberg wrote:
On 31 Aug 2006 10:17:02 -0700, in a place far, far away, "Eric Chomko"
<pne.chomko@verizon.net> made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such
a way as to indicate that:
Ah, _where_ exactly did he claim they oppose evolution? Do you enjoy
looking foolish?
Though Rand often looks foolish, there is no evidence that actually
enjoys it.
Boy, that one cracked the glass on my irony meter.
That's because you used it as a mirror...
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| User: "Rand Simberg" |
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30 Aug 2006 11:05:47 AM |
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On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 10:54:50 -0500, in a place far, far away,
"Eudaemonic Plague" <ghod@ameritech.net> made the phosphor on my
monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that:
: >And he has cancer. Both is age and medical condition would be
pretty
: >good reasons for retiring. If the vatican opposes his views then
the
: >pope can just flat out contradict him on the spot. There's no need
for
: >them to beat around the bush. The fact is that the vatican doesn't
know
: >what lie to tell next, so, for now, they're keeping their ignorant
mouths
: >shut.
:
: Speaking of keeping ignorant mouths shut, maybe you should work on
: your own. The Church does not oppose evolution. Creationism is a
: Protestant thing.
Ah, _where_ exactly did he claim they oppose evolution?
What is it that they're "lying" about, then?
Do you enjoy looking foolish?
Of course not. Fortunately, I rarely do.
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| User: "Wayne L" |
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06 Sep 2006 12:22:09 AM |
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"Rand Simberg" <simberg.interglobal@org.trash> wrote in message
news:45399fe9.665690181@news.giganews.com...
On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 06:49:34 -0600, in a place far, far away, quibbler
<quibbler247@yahoo.com> made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such a
way as to indicate that:
Fact is, the man was born in 1933. If you're having
some difficulty with the math (and if you're a
creationist git then surely you are) that would make
him 73 years old.
And he has cancer. Both is age and medical condition would be pretty
good reasons for retiring. If the vatican opposes his views then the
pope can just flat out contradict him on the spot. There's no need for
them to beat around the bush. The fact is that the vatican doesn't know
what lie to tell next, so, for now, they're keeping their ignorant mouths
shut.
Speaking of keeping ignorant mouths shut, maybe you should work on
your own. The Church does not oppose evolution. Creationism is a
Protestant thing.
http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/01/18/news/evolution.php
I posit that since the Roman Catholics and the Protestants use almost
identical Bibles ( ever since the Vatican made a valiant effort to hunt
down, torture and murder by burning at the stake Martin Luther for
disagreeing with them )
and since those Holy tomes both quite clearly say that the universe and
everything in it we see today was created in 144 hours, about 6010 years
ago, that nothing in those Bibles squares with the theory of evolution.
Do any of you actually believe that white chickens and hairless sphinx house
cats and ears of corn 10 inches long and roses in 200 varieties all existed
that 6th day Friday 4004 BC? The Judeo/Christian Holy Books say they did.
I also posit that when the Vatican from time to time comes out with their
half hearted agreements to this and that scientific theory and/or data, they
do so knowing they have been losing the game at least since the Renaissance,
that church attendance in Europe is approaching zero, and in the U.S. is
down at least 75% in the last three decades, from what I have observed first
hand, and they have been getting more and more desperate about the continued
existence of the company.
What they have been trying to do, besides showing all the leadership of a
caboose, is that they have tried to create these legal fictions call
Magisteriums, one for Religion and one for Science, where basically they
want to stay in their little room and have science do the same, and just
hope for the best in the future, because they have nothing left but
hope..............which is good for us, because when then had real power,
they tortured and murdered by the hundreds of thousands if not millions, and
they would do the same again, should the circumstances allow them to get
away with it again.
Given that 99.99% of organized religions are corporations.........shouldn't
there be some tiny government requirement for product and/or service proof
of performance? Some measurable test they must pass to prove that their
claims are true?
After all, they are a burden on society, pulling down the standard of living
of us all. Besides being "non-profit" corporations and thus paying no
income nor real estate taxes, it is common practice where I live for towns
to give them free water and sewer service. Why do we citizens allow them to
keep their letters of incorporation after such behavior. Is our government
not supposed to be of, by and for the People?
We have seen over the span of recorded history and especially over the last
few years that religion can be incredibly dangerous in many ways. Besides
the Muslims doing all in their power to murder or enslave the world, look
also to the homosexual priests molesting children. While claiming to be
Living Gods transforming vegetable matter into human flesh and blood, in
violation of all the laws of physics, the RCC Corporation is fighting tooth
and nail the slow loss of its privileged relationship with local government
officials everywhere who did the see no evil, hear no evil routine every
time they were privy to claims from some child that the ***** Parrish
Priest was sucking their *****. Many District Attorneys and other officials
are pushing for longer Statue of Limitations on these heinous crimes, and
the RCC Corporation lawyers are fighting that tooth and nail.
I also posit that if the RCC Corporation Living God claims are correct, then
consuming the flesh and blood is cannibalism, and we need new laws against
it, because, for some strange reason, cannibalism doesn't seem to be illegal
where I live.
Just a start.
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| User: "Eric Chomko" |
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06 Sep 2006 02:29:27 PM |
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Wayne L wrote:
"Rand Simberg" <simberg.interglobal@org.trash> wrote in message
news:45399fe9.665690181@news.giganews.com...
On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 06:49:34 -0600, in a place far, far away, quibbler
<quibbler247@yahoo.com> made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such a
way as to indicate that:
Fact is, the man was born in 1933. If you're having
some difficulty with the math (and if you're a
creationist git then surely you are) that would make
him 73 years old.
And he has cancer. Both is age and medical condition would be pretty
good reasons for retiring. If the vatican opposes his views then the
pope can just flat out contradict him on the spot. There's no need for
them to beat around the bush. The fact is that the vatican doesn't know
what lie to tell next, so, for now, they're keeping their ignorant mouths
shut.
Speaking of keeping ignorant mouths shut, maybe you should work on
your own. The Church does not oppose evolution. Creationism is a
Protestant thing.
http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/01/18/news/evolution.php
I posit that since the Roman Catholics and the Protestants use almost
identical Bibles ( ever since the Vatican made a valiant effort to hunt
down, torture and murder by burning at the stake Martin Luther for
disagreeing with them )
and since those Holy tomes both quite clearly say that the universe and
everything in it we see today was created in 144 hours, about 6010 years
ago, that nothing in those Bibles squares with the theory of evolution.
Do any of you actually believe that white chickens and hairless sphinx house
cats and ears of corn 10 inches long and roses in 200 varieties all existed
that 6th day Friday 4004 BC? The Judeo/Christian Holy Books say they did.
No none of that, but it is convenient to use that day as day 1 and
we're up to day 2453985 today.
Eric
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| User: "quibbler" |
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| Title: Re: Reich-Wing Re: Vatican Dumps Darwinist-Boosting Astronomer |
30 Aug 2006 02:53:34 PM |
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In article <45399fe9.665690181@news.giganews.com>,
simberg.interglobal@org.trash says...
On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 06:49:34 -0600, in a place far, far away, quibbler
<quibbler247@yahoo.com> made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such a
way as to indicate that:
Fact is, the man was born in 1933. If you're having
some difficulty with the math (and if you're a
creationist git then surely you are) that would make
him 73 years old.
And he has cancer. Both is age and medical condition would be pretty
good reasons for retiring. If the vatican opposes his views then the
pope can just flat out contradict him on the spot. There's no need for
them to beat around the bush. The fact is that the vatican doesn't know
what lie to tell next, so, for now, they're keeping their ignorant mouths
shut.
Speaking of keeping ignorant mouths shut,
Yes, speaking of ignorant mouths, I knew we'd have to hear yours
eventually.
maybe you should work on
your own.
Nope, you're wrong as usual.
The Church does not oppose evolution.
No, but Pope BeenADick is trying to backpedal as furiously as possible,
because he is clearly an old, stupid, and scientifically uninformed
person, when it comes to evolution.
Creationism is a
Protestant thing.
No, fool, creationism is pretty much a theist thing and certainly one
found throughout Judaism, Christianity and Islam, to name but a few.
--
Quibbler (quibbler247atyahoo.com)
"It is fashionable to wax apocalyptic about the
threat to humanity posed by the AIDS virus, 'mad cow'
disease, and many others, but I think a case can be
made that faith is one of the world's great evils,
comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to
eradicate." -- Richard Dawkins
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| Title: Re: Reich-Wing Re: Vatican Dumps Darwinist-Boosting Astronomer |
03 Sep 2006 04:12:54 PM |
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Too stupid to bother with.
<plonk>
quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote:
:In article <45399fe9.665690181@news.giganews.com>,
:simberg.interglobal@org.trash says...
:> On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 06:49:34 -0600, in a place far, far away, quibbler
:> <quibbler247@yahoo.com> made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such a
:> way as to indicate that:
:>
:> >> Fact is, the man was born in 1933. If you're having
:> >> some difficulty with the math (and if you're a
:> >> creationist git then surely you are) that would make
:> >> him 73 years old.
:> >
:> >And he has cancer. Both is age and medical condition would be pretty
:> >good reasons for retiring. If the vatican opposes his views then the
:> >pope can just flat out contradict him on the spot. There's no need for
:> >them to beat around the bush. The fact is that the vatican doesn't know
:> >what lie to tell next, so, for now, they're keeping their ignorant mouths
:> >shut.
:>
:> Speaking of keeping ignorant mouths shut,
:
:
:Yes, speaking of ignorant mouths, I knew we'd have to hear yours
:eventually.
:
:
:> maybe you should work on
:> your own.
:
:Nope, you're wrong as usual.
:
:
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:> The Church does not oppose evolution.
:
:No, but Pope BeenADick is trying to backpedal as furiously as possible,
:because he is clearly an old, stupid, and scientifically uninformed
:person, when it comes to evolution.
:
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:
:> Creationism is a
:> Protestant thing.
:
:No, fool, creationism is pretty much a theist thing and certainly one
:found throughout Judaism, Christianity and Islam, to name but a few.
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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30 Aug 2006 09:41:08 AM |
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On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 14:27:15 GMT,
(Rand Simberg) spake thusly:
Speaking of keeping ignorant mouths shut, maybe you should work on
your own. The Church does not oppose evolution. Creationism is a
Protestant thing.
http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/01/18/news/evolution.php
Creation is a Biblical thing.
--
"Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass,
till all these things be fulfilled." - Matthew 24:34
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http://www.trueorigin.org/abio.asp
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| User: "Mike Schilling" |
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30 Aug 2006 11:32:17 AM |
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"Pastor Dave" <_-ananias917-_@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
news:lr8bf2lfb9blcsldqi3ubh5agrksgv7q3a@4ax.com...
On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 14:27:15 GMT,
(Rand Simberg) spake thusly:
Speaking of keeping ignorant mouths shut, maybe you should work on
your own. The Church does not oppose evolution. Creationism is a
Protestant thing.
http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/01/18/news/evolution.php
Creation is a Biblical thing.
It's a "literal interpretation of the Bible" thing, and Catholicism is not
known for that these days.
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| User: "quibbler" |
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| Title: Re: Poop BeenADick is a Creationist Stooge |
30 Aug 2006 02:55:15 PM |
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In article <l4jJg.4015$tU.1810@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com>,
mscottschilling@hotmail.com says...
Creation is a Biblical thing.
It's a "literal interpretation of the Bible" thing, and Catholicism is not
known for that these days.
Poop BeenADick is clearly a Creationist stooge and hopes to destroy the
last vestiges of sanity that were left in Catholicism.
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Quibbler (quibbler247atyahoo.com)
"It is fashionable to wax apocalyptic about the
threat to humanity posed by the AIDS virus, 'mad cow'
disease, and many others, but I think a case can be
made that faith is one of the world's great evils,
comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to
eradicate." -- Richard Dawkins
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| User: "quibbler" |
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| Title: Re: Reich-Wing Re: Vatican Dumps Darwinist-Boosting Astronomer |
30 Aug 2006 02:56:36 PM |
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In article <lr8bf2lfb9blcsldqi3ubh5agrksgv7q3a@4ax.com>, _-ananias917-
_@tampabay.rr.com says...
On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 14:27:15 GMT,
(Rand Simberg) spake thusly:
Speaking of keeping ignorant mouths shut, maybe you should work on
your own. The Church does not oppose evolution. Creationism is a
Protestant thing.
http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/01/18/news/evolution.php
Creation is a Biblical thing.
That's inadequate. Creationism is described in many traditions other
than the "Bible", moron.
--
Quibbler (quibbler247atyahoo.com)
"It is fashionable to wax apocalyptic about the
threat to humanity posed by the AIDS virus, 'mad cow'
disease, and many others, but I think a case can be
made that faith is one of the world's great evils,
comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to
eradicate." -- Richard Dawkins
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| User: "Alex Terrell" |
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| Title: Re: Reich-Wing Re: Vatican Dumps Darwinist-Boosting Astronomer |
30 Aug 2006 10:14:59 AM |
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Pastor Dave wrote:
On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 14:27:15 GMT,
(Rand Simberg) spake thusly:
Speaking of keeping ignorant mouths shut, maybe you should work on
your own. The Church does not oppose evolution. Creationism is a
Protestant thing.
http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/01/18/news/evolution.php
Creation is a Biblical thing.
And intepreting the bible literally is an (American) protestant thing.
(Though a characteristic shared by many Jews and Muslims).
Treating the bibe as gospel!
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: Reich-Wing Re: Vatican Dumps Darwinist-Boosting Astronomer |
30 Aug 2006 10:37:19 AM |
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On 30 Aug 2006 08:14:59 -0700, "Alex Terrell"
<alexterrell@yahoo.com> spake thusly:
Speaking of keeping ignorant mouths shut, maybe you should work on
your own. The Church does not oppose evolution. Creationism is a
Protestant thing.
http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/01/18/news/evolution.php
Creation is a Biblical thing.
And intepreting the bible literally is an (American) protestant thing.
(Though a characteristic shared by many Jews and Muslims).
Treating the bibe as gospel!
You can try to dodge the Scriptures if you want to.
But it is hypocrisy to claim that one believes in a
denomination that claims to believe the Scriptures
and then tosses the basic idea of the Scriptures
aside.
If we got here by evolution, then Jesus is not Savior.
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"Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass,
till all these things be fulfilled." - Matthew 24:34
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"For the word of God is sharper than any two edged sword."
http://members.aol.com/trwstrong/straight.html
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| User: "Greg D. Moore \Strider" |
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| Title: Re: Reich-Wing Re: Vatican Dumps Darwinist-Boosting Astronomer |
31 Aug 2006 11:22:05 PM |
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"Pastor Dave" <_-ananias917-_@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
news:13cbf2dshdt0knd364h5gde8orcdfmdg6t@4ax.com...
You can try to dodge the Scriptures if you want to.
But it is hypocrisy to claim that one believes in a
denomination that claims to believe the Scriptures
and then tosses the basic idea of the Scriptures
aside.
If we got here by evolution, then Jesus is not Savior.
Rather sad that your God is so small as to not be able to can't accomodate
evolution.
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| User: "Greg D. Moore \Strider" |
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| Title: Re: Reich-Wing Re: Vatican Dumps Darwinist-Boosting Astronomer |
02 Sep 2006 02:07:18 PM |
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"Pastor Dave" <_-ananias917-_@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
news:5idgf25ul40ta9s5eb738ef76hregk47mb@4ax.com...
On Fri, 01 Sep 2006 04:22:05 GMT, "Greg D. Moore \(Strider\)"
<mooregr_deleteth1s@greenms.com> spake thusly:
Rather sad that your God is so small as to not be able to can't
accomodate
evolution.
The often made, stupid claim by the evolutionist, which he steals
from Creationists.
So, let's see. You'd rather deny shred of evidence suggesting an old earth
and evolution and accept that God is lying to you about them.
Seems to me that you're trying to wrap God around the whim of your believes.
Very sad.
He actually thinks that his message will read as an intelligent
statement. He thinks we'll all bow to evolution now, because
he thinks it isn't completely stupid to claim that evolution
doing it all by itself, is harder than creating it all in six
days. The reality is, he tries to wrap God around the whim
of men.
Goodbye now.
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| User: "nightbat" |
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| Title: Re: Reich-Wing Re: Vatican Dumps Darwinist-Boosting Astronomer |
31 Aug 2006 11:42:56 PM |
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nightbat wrote
Greg D. Moore (Strider) wrote:
"Pastor Dave" <_-ananias917-_@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
news:13cbf2dshdt0knd364h5gde8orcdfmdg6t@4ax.com...
You can try to dodge the Scriptures if you want to.
But it is hypocrisy to claim that one believes in a
denomination that claims to believe the Scriptures
and then tosses the basic idea of the Scriptures
aside.
If we got here by evolution, then Jesus is not Savior.
Rather sad that your God is so small as to not be able to can't accomodate
evolution.
nightbat
Oh but He does check out the scientific analysis of the Red
Halo and its evolution capability.
ponder on,
the nightbat
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| User: "Eudaemonic Plague" |
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| Title: Re: Reich-Wing Re: Vatican Dumps Darwinist-Boosting Astronomer |
30 Aug 2006 10:56:50 AM |
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"Pastor Dave" <_-ananias917-_@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
news:13cbf2dshdt0knd364h5gde8orcdfmdg6t@4ax.com...
[snip]
: If we got here by evolution, then Jesus is not Savior.
Very good, Davey, now if you will only recognize the fact that we
_did_ get here by evolution.......
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Reich-Wing Re: Vatican Dumps Darwinist-Boosting Astronomer |
31 Aug 2006 03:04:39 AM |
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Eudaemonic Plague wrote:
"Pastor Dave" <_-ananias917-_@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
news:13cbf2dshdt0knd364h5gde8orcdfmdg6t@4ax.com...
[snip]
: If we got here by evolution, then Jesus is not Savior.
Very good, Davey, now if you will only recognize the fact that we
_did_ get here by evolution.......
That is a problem of treating it literally. Belief in God is a faifth.
You can choose to believe, or you can choose not to believe.
If you are rational, you have no choice to accept evolution (you can
argue over the details "mild" Intelligent Design could fit within
evolution), because the evidence is so overwhelming. (Its like global
warming).
If you have a choice of believing in Evolution, or in a literal
intepretatrion of a book written thousands of years ago, then there
really is one logical choice.
But its not a choice that needs to be made. You can intepret the bible
in different ways and draw appropriate lessons from it, remembering the
context in which it was written.
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| User: "Roy Jose Lorr" |
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| Title: Re: Reich-Wing Re: Vatican Dumps Darwinist-Boosting Astronomer |
03 Sep 2006 10:34:40 AM |
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wrote:
That is a problem of treating it literally. Belief in God is a faifth.
You can choose to believe, or you can choose not to believe.
If you are rational, you have no choice to accept evolution (you can
argue over the details "mild" Intelligent Design could fit within
evolution), because the evidence is so overwhelming. (Its like global
warming).
Since there is no evidence of one species changing into
another, you must choose to believe "evolution" on faith.
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| User: "Bill Snyder" |
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| Title: Re: Reich-Wing Re: Vatican Dumps Darwinist-Boosting Astronomer |
03 Sep 2006 12:28:05 PM |
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On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 08:34:40 -0700, Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net>
wrote:
alexterrell@yahoo.com wrote:
That is a problem of treating it literally. Belief in God is a faifth.
You can choose to believe, or you can choose not to believe.
If you are rational, you have no choice to accept evolution (you can
argue over the details "mild" Intelligent Design could fit within
evolution), because the evidence is so overwhelming. (Its like global
warming).
Since there is no evidence of one species changing into
another, you must choose to believe "evolution" on faith.
Speciation has been observed, you contemptible liar, and that fact has
been pointed out to you before.
--
Bill Snyder [This space unintentionally left blank.]
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| User: "Roy Jose Lorr" |
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| Title: Re: Reich-Wing Re: Vatican Dumps Darwinist-Boosting Astronomer |
04 Sep 2006 11:48:51 PM |
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Bill Snyder wrote:
On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 08:34:40 -0700, Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net>
wrote:
alexterrell@yahoo.com wrote:
That is a problem of treating it literally. Belief in God is a faifth.
You can choose to believe, or you can choose not to believe.
If you are rational, you have no choice to accept evolution (you can
argue over the details "mild" Intelligent Design could fit within
evolution), because the evidence is so overwhelming. (Its like global
warming).
Since there is no evidence of one species changing into
another, you must choose to believe "evolution" on faith.
Speciation has been observed, you contemptible liar, and that fact has
been pointed out to you before.
Petrie dish hocus pocus is not evidence of one species
changing into another.
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