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21 Mar 2005 04:36:15 PM |
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Vegetative State Can Give Kin False Hope |
Video showing the dark-haired woman appearing to interact with her
family has been televised nationally. But a court-appointed doctor has
said the noises and facial expressions are merely reflexes.
But in Schiavo's condition, described as a persistent vegetative
state, family members can be deceived by things like eye movements and
reflexes, experts say.
"It creates this ironic combination of wakefulness without awareness,"
said Dr. James Bernat, a neurology professor at Dartmouth Medical
School.
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=534&e=5&u=/ap/20050321/ap_on_he_me/brain_damaged_woman_condition
Vegetative State Can Give Kin False Hope
By MALCOLM RITTER, AP Science Writer
NEW YORK - In the family video played over and over on TV, Terri
Schiavo seems to gaze fondly at her mother, with the hint of a smile.
On Sunday night, as Congress took up debate on her case, her father
told reporters that she responded to his teasing by making a face at
him. "It tells us she's still with us," he said.
But in Schiavo's condition, described as a persistent vegetative
state, family members can be deceived by things like eye movements and
reflexes, experts say.
"It creates this ironic combination of wakefulness without awareness,"
said Dr. James Bernat, a neurology professor at Dartmouth Medical
School.
That's because in a persistent vegetative state, the brain centers
that control wakefulness are functioning, but those that permit
conscious awareness of oneself or the environment are damaged or
destroyed.
As a result, patients close their eyes to sleep and open them when
they wake up. If a doctor brushes the eyeball with a wisp of cotton,
they may blink. If something gets caught in the throat, they will
cough. There may be limited eye movements, though patients can't
follow a person walking from one side of the room to another, for
example.
That's in contrast to a coma, in which the eyes remain closed and a
person is neither aware nor awake, or brain death, in which there is
no sign at all that the brain is functioning.
Bernat, past chairman of the American Academy of Neurology (news - web
sites)'s Ethics, Law and Humanities Committee, declined to comment
specifically on the Schiavo case. He said outward signs of persistent
vegetative state can give family members false hope.
"There's a normal tendency of family members to interpret (random)
movements as evidence of awareness," said Bernat, who recalled seeing
that happen with his own patients.
He said that when family members claim that a loved one in a
persistent vegetative state is purposefully looking at them, he asks
to accompany them to the bedside and see for himself. Sometimes, in
fact, family members really have noticed genuine signs of
consciousness and investigation shows the diagnosis was incorrect, he
said. But in his experience, Bernat said, most of the time the family
has been wrong.
Nobody can enter a patient's mind and discover what that person is
experiencing, he noted. Doctors can only say that despite what family
members might believe, "to the best of our ability we cannot convince
ourselves there is any evidence of awareness," Bernat said. Doctors
try to help the family understand how it's possible to be awake but
not aware, he said.
Patients can recover after even a year or two in a persistent
vegetative state caused by head trauma, Bernat said, although they
generally continue to be disabled. However, he said a vegetative state
that was caused by lack of blood or oxygen delivery to the brain and
has gone on more than five years is considered permanent.
Schiavo, 41, has been at the center of a long and bitter court battle
between her parents and her husband, who wants to remove her feeding
tube so she can die.
Court-appointed doctors say Schiavo is in a persistent vegetative
state, after her heart stopped beating temporarily 15 years ago,
cutting off oxygen to her brain. She did not leave any written
instructions about care, but her husband, Michael Schiavo, contends
she told him that she would not want to be kept alive artificially.
Her parents dispute that, and deny their daughter is in a vegetative
state.
Video showing the dark-haired woman appearing to interact with her
family has been televised nationally. But a court-appointed doctor has
said the noises and facial expressions are merely reflexes.
In caring for a person in a this condition, doctors are guided by what
the patient would have wanted, Bernat said. Some have indicated they
want to be treated while others have said they want to be left to die,
he said.
Usually patients can breathe without a ventilator. As in the Schiavo
case, long-term care involves a feeding tube to deliver fluids and
food to the stomach. If family members ask to stop treatment, the tube
is removed or medical teams are instructed not to treat infections,
Bernat said.
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| Title: Re: Vegetative State Can Give Kin False Hope |
31 Mar 2005 06:23:26 PM |
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"Don" <- - - - - --- somebody@worldwide.net> wrote in message
news:577o4193ujd0q31ot2001t3p993luiuvqe@4ax.com...
On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 09:26:12 -0500, "Doc: The
absent-minded-professor!" <Doc@Watson.yup> wrote:
On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 06:16:02 GMT, Don <- - - - - ---
somebody@worldwide.net> sez the following funny stuff:
On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 19:52:45 -0500, "Doc: The
absent-minded-professor!" <Doc@Watson.yup> wrote:
I don't 'buy' what most peple hand me, Don. I'm too wary of people,
based on how I've been treated in life. I keep my eyes wide open, and
I look for FACT, not fiction.
You see what you want to see, even when it contradicts fact.
Maybe according to you.
I also know what I SAW on TV. They asked Terri what HER CHOICE was.
She tried very hard to say "I WANT TO LIVE".
Right!!!
Yes, RIGHT.
And HER RIGHTS ARE BEING VIOLATED.
She IS Being slowly tortured and murdered, NOW ---- into the
fourteenth day of her torture.
I sure hope the sleazeoids responsible are proud of what they've done.
They're not dead yet, either..... they could have nightmares for years
over this, and they certainly deserve it.
See...your emotions are so much "on the surface" that you can not even
"think" clearly. You are guided by your emotions, with a heavy dose
of hormones. It is so obvious.
OR
If it is inconvenient and human, kill it.
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| User: "Doc: The absent-minded-professor!" |
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31 Mar 2005 07:05:51 PM |
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On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 17:23:26 -0700, "icono" <icono@cox.net> sez the
following funny stuff:
OR
If it is inconvenient and human, kill it.
I know to some I'm probably sounding over-emotional, Vernon. Thank YOU
for your understanding.
I just think starvation / dehydration is pure punishment totally
undeserved.
Terri might as well have been thrown into a medieval dungeon; she
would have gone threough the same thing :(
Sorry- but this really gets me.
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| User: "icono" |
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31 Mar 2005 09:48:12 PM |
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"Doc: The absent-minded-professor!" <Doc@Watson.yup> wrote in message
news:mf7p41903dkgntqssnmrnjvgu3up261vrq@4ax.com...
On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 17:23:26 -0700, "icono" <icono@cox.net> sez the
following funny stuff:
OR
If it is inconvenient and human, kill it.
I know to some I'm probably sounding over-emotional, Vernon. Thank YOU
for your understanding.
I just think starvation / dehydration is pure punishment totally
undeserved.
Terri might as well have been thrown into a medieval dungeon; she
would have gone threough the same thing :(
Sorry- but this really gets me.
At least with a dog, they give it an overdose of potassium for a painless
and quick death.
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| User: "Doc: The absent-minded-professor!" |
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01 Apr 2005 08:18:35 AM |
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On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 20:48:12 -0700, "icono" <icono@cox.net> sez the
following funny stuff:
At least with a dog, they give it an overdose of potassium for a painless
and quick death.
POtassium? Hmmmm- but yes, I see what you're saying- I guess Terri was
such a terrible 'criminal' for being ill and infirm, so they wanted to
make a real 'examplke' of her................ sickos.
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| User: "Bible Studies with Satan" |
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31 Mar 2005 07:17:55 PM |
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Doc: The absent-minded-professor! wrote:
On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 17:23:26 -0700, "icono" <icono@cox.net> sez the
following funny stuff:
OR
If it is inconvenient and human, kill it.
I know to some I'm probably sounding over-emotional, Vernon. Thank YOU
for your understanding.
I just think starvation / dehydration is pure punishment totally
undeserved.
It is a rather painless way to die, under the care of Hospice. I take it you
don't have much experience with death.
Terri might as well have been thrown into a medieval dungeon; she
would have gone threough the same thing :(
Sorry- but this really gets me.
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| User: "Paul Duca" |
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31 Mar 2005 09:01:03 PM |
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in article mf7p41903dkgntqssnmrnjvgu3up261vrq@4ax.com, Doc: The
absent-minded-professor! at wrote on 3/31/05 8:05 PM:
On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 17:23:26 -0700, "icono" <icono@cox.net> sez the
following funny stuff:
OR
If it is inconvenient and human, kill it.
I know to some I'm probably sounding over-emotional, Vernon. Thank YOU
for your understanding.
I just think starvation / dehydration is pure punishment totally
undeserved.
Terri might as well have been thrown into a medieval dungeon; she
would have gone threough the same thing :(
Sorry- but this really gets me. But's it better than thinking about those
suffering and dying in Iraq.
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| User: "Paul Duca" |
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31 Mar 2005 08:57:59 PM |
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in article _v03e.36$3C6.3@fed1read01, icono at wrote on
3/31/05 7:23 PM:
"Don" <- - - - - --- somebody@worldwide.net> wrote in message
news:577o4193ujd0q31ot2001t3p993luiuvqe@4ax.com...
On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 09:26:12 -0500, "Doc: The
absent-minded-professor!" <Doc@Watson.yup> wrote:
On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 06:16:02 GMT, Don <- - - - - ---
somebody@worldwide.net> sez the following funny stuff:
On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 19:52:45 -0500, "Doc: The
absent-minded-professor!" <Doc@Watson.yup> wrote:
I don't 'buy' what most peple hand me, Don. I'm too wary of people,
based on how I've been treated in life. I keep my eyes wide open, and
I look for FACT, not fiction.
You see what you want to see, even when it contradicts fact.
Maybe according to you.
I also know what I SAW on TV. They asked Terri what HER CHOICE was.
She tried very hard to say "I WANT TO LIVE".
Right!!!
Yes, RIGHT.
And HER RIGHTS ARE BEING VIOLATED.
She IS Being slowly tortured and murdered, NOW ---- into the
fourteenth day of her torture.
I sure hope the sleazeoids responsible are proud of what they've done.
They're not dead yet, either..... they could have nightmares for years
over this, and they certainly deserve it.
See...your emotions are so much "on the surface" that you can not even
"think" clearly. You are guided by your emotions, with a heavy dose
of hormones. It is so obvious.
OR
If it is inconvenient and human, kill it.
And if God treats you no better, who will you whine to about it?
Paul
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| User: "Doc: The absent-minded-professor!" |
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01 Apr 2005 08:19:58 AM |
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On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 21:57:59 -0500, Paul Duca <p.duca@comcast.net> sez
the following funny stuff:
And if God treats you no better, who will you whine to about it?
shut up, duca, and GROW UP.
And instead of constantly interrupting everyone with your legion of
petty complaints, get off your ***** and DO SOMETHING to improve your
lot in life instead of wasting your time trying to incite arguments in
here.
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| User: "Paul Duca" |
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01 Apr 2005 08:56:54 PM |
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in article i2mq41hgvhri82cf5puk69cm6r5150dhli@4ax.com, Doc: The
absent-minded-professor! at wrote on 4/1/05 9:19 AM:
On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 21:57:59 -0500, Paul Duca <p.duca@comcast.net> sez
the following funny stuff:
And if God treats you no better, who will you whine to about it?
shut up, duca, and GROW UP.
And instead of constantly interrupting everyone with your legion of
petty complaints, get off your ***** and DO SOMETHING to improve your
lot in life instead of wasting your time trying to incite arguments in
here.
I do more than groveling on my knees begging for someone else to
take care of me.
Paul
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| User: "Doc: The absent-minded-professor!" |
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01 Apr 2005 10:05:57 PM |
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On Fri, 01 Apr 2005 21:56:54 -0500, Paul Duca <p.duca@comcast.net> sez
the following funny stuff:
I do more than groveling on my knees begging for someone else to
take care of me.
Paul
Sure, sure. like carrying on your constant pity-parties. Would you
like some cheese and crackers with that WHINE?
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| User: "Paul Duca" |
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02 Apr 2005 08:59:21 AM |
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in article tf6s41pe3f8cvt08du82jsrhgv4qsc2kvq@4ax.com, Doc: The
absent-minded-professor! at wrote on 4/1/05 11:05 PM:
On Fri, 01 Apr 2005 21:56:54 -0500, Paul Duca <p.duca@comcast.net> sez
the following funny stuff:
I do more than groveling on my knees begging for someone else to
take care of me.
Paul
Sure, sure. like carrying on your constant pity-parties. Would you
like some cheese and crackers with that WHINE?
How long can YOU keep pretending that your God ignoring/denying you
is in fact some magical blessing that makes you a better person?
Paul
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| User: "Doc: The absent-minded-professor!" |
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31 Mar 2005 02:08:12 PM |
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On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 15:53:20 GMT, Don <- - - - - ---
somebody@worldwide.net> sez the following funny stuff:
See...your emotions are so much "on the surface" that you can not even
"think" clearly. You are guided by your emotions, with a heavy dose
of hormones. It is so obvious.
Don, you have already said 'ytou give up on me' and have virtually
agreed with the indivduals who claim I'm 'nuts'.... so goodbye.
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| User: "CB" |
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31 Mar 2005 01:23:49 PM |
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On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 15:53:20 GMT, Don <- - - - - --- somebody@worldwide.net>
wrote:
See...your emotions are so much "on the surface" that you can not even
"think" clearly. You are guided by your emotions, with a heavy dose
of hormones. It is so obvious.
What is obvious is your hypocrisy.
"Life may not be the party we hoped for, but while we are here we might as well dance."
Author Unknown
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| User: "Don - - - - - ---" |
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31 Mar 2005 07:21:34 PM |
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On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 13:23:49 -0600, CB <country2000@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 15:53:20 GMT, Don <- - - - - --- somebody@worldwide.net>
wrote:
See...your emotions are so much "on the surface" that you can not even
"think" clearly. You are guided by your emotions, with a heavy dose
of hormones. It is so obvious.
What is obvious is your hypocrisy.
The opinion of a Campbellite, just chiming in when he has nothing to
say.
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| User: "CB" |
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01 Apr 2005 12:48:47 AM |
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On Fri, 01 Apr 2005 01:21:34 GMT, Don <- - - - - --- somebody@worldwide.net>
wrote:
On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 13:23:49 -0600, CB <country2000@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 15:53:20 GMT, Don <- - - - - --- somebody@worldwide.net>
wrote:
See...your emotions are so much "on the surface" that you can not even
"think" clearly. You are guided by your emotions, with a heavy dose
of hormones. It is so obvious.
What is obvious is your hypocrisy.
The opinion of a Campbellite, just chiming in when he has nothing to
say.
I don't have to say you're a hypocrite for it to be true. Your actions speak
volumes about your hypocrisy.
"Life may not be the party we hoped for, but while we are here we might as well dance."
Author Unknown
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| User: "Don - - - - - ---" |
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20 Apr 2005 06:49:47 PM |
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On Fri, 01 Apr 2005 00:48:47 -0600, CB <country2000@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 01 Apr 2005 01:21:34 GMT, Don <- - - - - --- somebody@worldwide.net>
wrote:
On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 13:23:49 -0600, CB <country2000@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 15:53:20 GMT, Don <- - - - - --- somebody@worldwide.net>
wrote:
See...your emotions are so much "on the surface" that you can not even
"think" clearly. You are guided by your emotions, with a heavy dose
of hormones. It is so obvious.
What is obvious is your hypocrisy.
The opinion of a Campbellite, just chiming in when he has nothing to
say.
I don't have to say you're a hypocrite for it to be true. Your actions speak
volumes about your hypocrisy.
I am not a hypocrite but you ARE a Campbellite
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| User: "CB" |
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20 Apr 2005 07:47:23 PM |
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On Wed, 20 Apr 2005 23:49:47 GMT, Don <- - - - - --- somebody@worldwide.net>
wrote:
On Fri, 01 Apr 2005 00:48:47 -0600, CB <country2000@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 01 Apr 2005 01:21:34 GMT, Don <- - - - - --- somebody@worldwide.net>
wrote:
On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 13:23:49 -0600, CB <country2000@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 15:53:20 GMT, Don <- - - - - --- somebody@worldwide.net>
wrote:
See...your emotions are so much "on the surface" that you can not even
"think" clearly. You are guided by your emotions, with a heavy dose
of hormones. It is so obvious.
What is obvious is your hypocrisy.
The opinion of a Campbellite, just chiming in when he has nothing to
say.
I don't have to say you're a hypocrite for it to be true. Your actions speak
volumes about your hypocrisy.
I am not a hypocrite but you ARE a Campbellite
You ARE a liar
"Life may not be the party we hoped for, but while we are here we might as well dance."
Author Unknown
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| User: "Doc: The absent-minded-professor!" |
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31 Mar 2005 02:08:13 PM |
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On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 13:23:49 -0600, CB <country2000@hotmail.com> sez
the following funny stuff:
What is obvious is your hypocrisy.
In more ways than one, unfortunately, CB.
All I did was APOLOGIZE to Don, and he 'washed his hands of me' - so
be it.
God only knows what he'd have done if I had NOT apologized, I guess!
Oh well- fine - so be it.
God bless you and yours, CB.
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| User: "Don - - - - - ---" |
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| Title: Re: Vegetative State Can Give Kin False Hope |
31 Mar 2005 07:26:15 PM |
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On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 15:08:13 -0500, "Doc: The
absent-minded-professor!" <Doc@Watson.yup> wrote:
On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 13:23:49 -0600, CB <country2000@hotmail.com> sez
the following funny stuff:
What is obvious is your hypocrisy.
In more ways than one, unfortunately, CB.
All I did was APOLOGIZE to Don, and he 'washed his hands of me' - so
be it.
You just condensed a long, arduous decision into one, error-filled
sentence. I will now admit that I have seen you do it before. It is
not unusual for you to create your own reality (straw-man) then attack
that reality (straw-man) as if it were true, which is isn't.
God only knows what he'd have done if I had NOT apologized, I guess!
You did not apologize, You just continued to attack and threw in a
quick "I'm sorry" before you continued your attack.
Oh well- fine - so be it.
Straw-men seem to work pretty well for you.
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| User: "CB" |
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01 Apr 2005 12:46:58 AM |
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On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 15:08:13 -0500, "Doc: The absent-minded-professor!"
<Doc@Watson.yup> wrote:
On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 13:23:49 -0600, CB <country2000@hotmail.com> sez
the following funny stuff:
What is obvious is your hypocrisy.
In more ways than one, unfortunately, CB.
All I did was APOLOGIZE to Don, and he 'washed his hands of me' - so
be it.
God only knows what he'd have done if I had NOT apologized, I guess!
Oh well- fine - so be it.
God bless you and yours, CB.
Thank you and may God bless you.
And may God help this country (USA).
"Life may not be the party we hoped for, but while we are here we might as well dance."
Author Unknown
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| User: "Doc: The absent-minded-professor!" |
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01 Apr 2005 08:16:21 AM |
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On Fri, 01 Apr 2005 00:46:58 -0600, CB <country2000@hotmail.com> sez
the following funny stuff:
Thank you and may God bless you.
And may God help this country (USA).
and Canada, I hope.
This country needs all the help it can get.
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| User: "Paul Duca" |
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01 Apr 2005 08:57:59 PM |
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in article 2tlq41he486ejhq5ukh265gveifmusi37j@4ax.com, Doc: The
absent-minded-professor! at wrote on 4/1/05 9:16 AM:
On Fri, 01 Apr 2005 00:46:58 -0600, CB <country2000@hotmail.com> sez
the following funny stuff:
Thank you and may God bless you.
And may God help this country (USA).
and Canada, I hope.
This country needs all the help it can get--ever the worthless kind God
offers.
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| User: "Doc: The absent-minded-professor!" |
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01 Apr 2005 10:04:51 PM |
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On Fri, 01 Apr 2005 21:57:59 -0500, Paul Duca <p.duca@comcast.net> sez
the following funny stuff:
grow up, idiot
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| User: "Paul Duca" |
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02 Apr 2005 08:58:18 AM |
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in article se6s415el0c8316rlake2sm6p13mhvcmtl@4ax.com, Doc: The
absent-minded-professor! at wrote on 4/1/05 11:04 PM:
On Fri, 01 Apr 2005 21:57:59 -0500, Paul Duca <p.duca@comcast.net> sez
the following funny stuff:
grow up, idiot
But YOUR God WANTS people to be childish idiots...
Paul
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| User: "Paul Duca" |
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01 Apr 2005 08:53:48 PM |
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in article qhrp41l8os7ne7l6dkqc9ji02c7dq4d86j@4ax.com, CB at
country2000@hotmail.com wrote on 4/1/05 1:46 AM:
On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 15:08:13 -0500, "Doc: The absent-minded-professor!"
<Doc@Watson.yup> wrote:
On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 13:23:49 -0600, CB <country2000@hotmail.com> sez
the following funny stuff:
What is obvious is your hypocrisy.
In more ways than one, unfortunately, CB.
All I did was APOLOGIZE to Don, and he 'washed his hands of me' - so
be it.
God only knows what he'd have done if I had NOT apologized, I guess!
Oh well- fine - so be it.
God bless you and yours, CB.
Thank you and may God bless you.
And may God help this country (USA) and no others.
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| User: "Paul Duca" |
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31 Mar 2005 08:36:08 PM |
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in article 577o4193ujd0q31ot2001t3p993luiuvqe@4ax.com, Don at - - - - - ---
somebody@worldwide.net wrote on 3/31/05 10:53 AM:
On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 09:26:12 -0500, "Doc: The
absent-minded-professor!" <Doc@Watson.yup> wrote:
On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 06:16:02 GMT, Don <- - - - - ---
somebody@worldwide.net> sez the following funny stuff:
On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 19:52:45 -0500, "Doc: The
absent-minded-professor!" <Doc@Watson.yup> wrote:
I don't 'buy' what most peple hand me, Don. I'm too wary of people,
based on how I've been treated in life. I keep my eyes wide open, and
I look for FACT, not fiction.
You see what you want to see, even when it contradicts fact.
Maybe according to you.
I also know what I SAW on TV. They asked Terri what HER CHOICE was.
She tried very hard to say "I WANT TO LIVE".
Right!!!
Yes, RIGHT.
And HER RIGHTS ARE BEING VIOLATED.
She IS Being slowly tortured and murdered, NOW ---- into the
fourteenth day of her torture.
I sure hope the sleazeoids responsible are proud of what they've done.
They're not dead yet, either..... they could have nightmares for years
over this, and they certainly deserve it.
See...your emotions are so much "on the surface" that you can not even
"think" clearly. You are guided by your emotions, with a heavy dose
of hormones. It is so obvious.
Not to mention promises of pie in the sky rewards from their
Deity....
Paul
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| User: "Doc: The absent-minded-professor!" |
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| Title: Re: Vegetative State Can Give Kin False Hope |
29 Mar 2005 11:55:23 AM |
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On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 07:06:04 GMT, Don <- - - - - ---
somebody@worldwide.net> sez the following funny stuff:
By whom?
THOS who saw her---------- could easily testify to it, although I do
not know personally those people who testified to it.
I know what I saw with my own eyes, and Terri WAS resonding
appropriately.
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| User: "Bible Studies with Satan" |
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| Title: Re: Vegetative State Can Give Kin False Hope |
29 Mar 2005 12:04:46 PM |
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Doc: The absent-minded-professor! wrote:
On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 07:06:04 GMT, Don <- - - - - ---
somebody@worldwide.net> sez the following funny stuff:
By whom?
THOS who saw her---------- could easily testify to it, although I do
not know personally those people who testified to it.
I know what I saw with my own eyes, and Terri WAS resonding
appropriately.
You were there, eh? Or are you lying?
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| User: "Don - - - - - ---" |
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29 Mar 2005 05:11:51 PM |
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On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 12:55:23 -0500, "Doc: The
absent-minded-professor!" <Doc@Watson.yup> wrote:
On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 07:06:04 GMT, Don <- - - - - ---
somebody@worldwide.net> sez the following funny stuff:
By whom?
THOS who saw her------
Not all of them.
I know what I saw with my own eyes,
You were there in her room? You saw her with your own eyes, there in
her room where you could see her and speak to her and talk to her?
All you saw was an edited video that was at least three years old.
and Terri WAS resonding appropriately.
If you have no experience with PVS patients, then you are guessing
(projecting) like the rest of us are.
"Behold, I will corrupt your seed, and spread dung upon your faces."
Malachi 2:3
"There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses."
Ezekiel 23:20
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| User: "Don - - - - - ---" |
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29 Mar 2005 01:39:23 AM |
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On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 22:37:49 -0700, "icono" <icono@cox.net> wrote:
"Don" <- - - - - --- somebody@worldwide.net> wrote in message
news:tfjg41hgg9iuof4p9ojhtpvou9udpariln@4ax.com...
On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 13:11:53 -0500, "Doc: The
absent-minded-professor!" <Doc@Watson.yup> wrote:
On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 07:11:13 GMT, Don <- - - - - ---
somebody@worldwide.net> sez the following funny stuff:
On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 13:52:14 -0500, "Doc: The
absent-minded-professor!" <Doc@Watson.yup> wrote:
On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 23:04:55 -0800, Nivlem <mlml@svn.net> sez the
following funny stuff:
Yes, she's in a persistant vegetative state.
No, she most certainly is NOT.
If she WAS, she would have NO reactions to anything at all - and she
DID.
Reflexes. Her reactions have been typical of most PVS patients. She
had an EKG which was flat. When they showed her a baloon several
years ago, she appeared to follow it momentarily, but didn't have
sustained visual pursuit, which is a hallmark of being outside the
vegetative state. She had a CAT scan that showed massive damage.
Either a woman is being systematically starved to death--or our system
of checks and balances is being gutted to save a vegetable.
REFLEXES are one thing. That woman EXPRESSED the emotion of TERROR
qwhen she tried to say she wanted to live.
Hearsay...
Sworn testimony. Same as that of the husband who is not an expert.
So ya got a 50-50 chance. Are you gonna pay her medical bills for
the next 15 years?
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