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21 Mar 2005 04:36:15 PM |
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Vegetative State Can Give Kin False Hope |
Video showing the dark-haired woman appearing to interact with her
family has been televised nationally. But a court-appointed doctor has
said the noises and facial expressions are merely reflexes.
But in Schiavo's condition, described as a persistent vegetative
state, family members can be deceived by things like eye movements and
reflexes, experts say.
"It creates this ironic combination of wakefulness without awareness,"
said Dr. James Bernat, a neurology professor at Dartmouth Medical
School.
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=534&e=5&u=/ap/20050321/ap_on_he_me/brain_damaged_woman_condition
Vegetative State Can Give Kin False Hope
By MALCOLM RITTER, AP Science Writer
NEW YORK - In the family video played over and over on TV, Terri
Schiavo seems to gaze fondly at her mother, with the hint of a smile.
On Sunday night, as Congress took up debate on her case, her father
told reporters that she responded to his teasing by making a face at
him. "It tells us she's still with us," he said.
But in Schiavo's condition, described as a persistent vegetative
state, family members can be deceived by things like eye movements and
reflexes, experts say.
"It creates this ironic combination of wakefulness without awareness,"
said Dr. James Bernat, a neurology professor at Dartmouth Medical
School.
That's because in a persistent vegetative state, the brain centers
that control wakefulness are functioning, but those that permit
conscious awareness of oneself or the environment are damaged or
destroyed.
As a result, patients close their eyes to sleep and open them when
they wake up. If a doctor brushes the eyeball with a wisp of cotton,
they may blink. If something gets caught in the throat, they will
cough. There may be limited eye movements, though patients can't
follow a person walking from one side of the room to another, for
example.
That's in contrast to a coma, in which the eyes remain closed and a
person is neither aware nor awake, or brain death, in which there is
no sign at all that the brain is functioning.
Bernat, past chairman of the American Academy of Neurology (news - web
sites)'s Ethics, Law and Humanities Committee, declined to comment
specifically on the Schiavo case. He said outward signs of persistent
vegetative state can give family members false hope.
"There's a normal tendency of family members to interpret (random)
movements as evidence of awareness," said Bernat, who recalled seeing
that happen with his own patients.
He said that when family members claim that a loved one in a
persistent vegetative state is purposefully looking at them, he asks
to accompany them to the bedside and see for himself. Sometimes, in
fact, family members really have noticed genuine signs of
consciousness and investigation shows the diagnosis was incorrect, he
said. But in his experience, Bernat said, most of the time the family
has been wrong.
Nobody can enter a patient's mind and discover what that person is
experiencing, he noted. Doctors can only say that despite what family
members might believe, "to the best of our ability we cannot convince
ourselves there is any evidence of awareness," Bernat said. Doctors
try to help the family understand how it's possible to be awake but
not aware, he said.
Patients can recover after even a year or two in a persistent
vegetative state caused by head trauma, Bernat said, although they
generally continue to be disabled. However, he said a vegetative state
that was caused by lack of blood or oxygen delivery to the brain and
has gone on more than five years is considered permanent.
Schiavo, 41, has been at the center of a long and bitter court battle
between her parents and her husband, who wants to remove her feeding
tube so she can die.
Court-appointed doctors say Schiavo is in a persistent vegetative
state, after her heart stopped beating temporarily 15 years ago,
cutting off oxygen to her brain. She did not leave any written
instructions about care, but her husband, Michael Schiavo, contends
she told him that she would not want to be kept alive artificially.
Her parents dispute that, and deny their daughter is in a vegetative
state.
Video showing the dark-haired woman appearing to interact with her
family has been televised nationally. But a court-appointed doctor has
said the noises and facial expressions are merely reflexes.
In caring for a person in a this condition, doctors are guided by what
the patient would have wanted, Bernat said. Some have indicated they
want to be treated while others have said they want to be left to die,
he said.
Usually patients can breathe without a ventilator. As in the Schiavo
case, long-term care involves a feeding tube to deliver fluids and
food to the stomach. If family members ask to stop treatment, the tube
is removed or medical teams are instructed not to treat infections,
Bernat said.
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25 Mar 2005 05:47:39 PM |
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Doc: The absent-minded-professor! wrote:
On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 13:59:46 -0600, CB <country2000@hotmail.com> sez
the following funny stuff:
There is no proof that Terri would rather be dead.
SCOOP:
I just heard on CNN about fifteen minutes ago, that Terri DOES NOT
HAVE A LIVING WILL . . therefore, the SCUMBAG has been caught in yet
another lie.
You should have known a lot more facts than this before you decided Terri's fate
in your mind -- or did your pastor decide for you?
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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24 Mar 2005 05:44:49 PM |
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In article <6aj641pqe0m6i3vtqm4d8md879lgfh8oml@4ax.com> CB <country2000@hotmail.com> writes:
On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 22:04:41 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 15:09:53 -0600, CB <country2000@hotmail.com>
drained his beer, leaned back in the alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly
proclaimed the following
How many judges want to keep her alive that have not been allowed to hear her
case?
Sorry, but that's not how it works. The judges are chosen randomly.
So far, this case has been heard by Reagan appointees, Clinton
appointees, and one Ford appointee. The are Catholic, Protestant, and
Agnostic. They range from staunch conservative to screaming liberal.
And in evey case, they have ruled that Terri is gone, and did not want
to be kept alive by artificial means.
How many judges do you know that ruled on the merits of the case?
Have been to vist Terri? Why has Terri never been represented?
Let me try asking again: as you do not regard the endless legal
maneuvers on Terri's behalf her parents and her parents' lawyers
as "representing Terri", please describe exactly what situation
you would as accept as her being represented?
-- cary
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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25 Mar 2005 11:22:18 AM |
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In article <6aj641pqe0m6i3vtqm4d8md879lgfh8oml@4ax.com> CB
<country2000@hotmail.com> writes:
On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 22:04:41 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
Sorry, but that's not how it works. The judges are chosen randomly.
So far, this case has been heard by Reagan appointees, Clinton
appointees, and one Ford appointee. The are Catholic, Protestant, and
Agnostic. They range from staunch conservative to screaming liberal.
And in evey case, they have ruled that Terri is gone, and did not want
to be kept alive by artificial means.
How many judges do you know that ruled on the merits of the case?
Have been to vist Terri? Why has Terri never been represented?
Do you know what a Guardian Ad Litem is? An attorney appointed to
represent someone unbable to speak for themselves. Terri has had a
Guardian Ad Litem since the case was first heard. She has been
adequetely represented at every single hearing.
The judges have heard from medical experts on both sides. Oddly, the
only medical experts that the parents bring forward are doctors who
have never examined Terri.
--
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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| User: "CB" |
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25 Mar 2005 01:58:10 PM |
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On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 17:22:18 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
In article <6aj641pqe0m6i3vtqm4d8md879lgfh8oml@4ax.com> CB
<country2000@hotmail.com> writes:
On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 22:04:41 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
Sorry, but that's not how it works. The judges are chosen randomly.
So far, this case has been heard by Reagan appointees, Clinton
appointees, and one Ford appointee. The are Catholic, Protestant, and
Agnostic. They range from staunch conservative to screaming liberal.
And in evey case, they have ruled that Terri is gone, and did not want
to be kept alive by artificial means.
How many judges do you know that ruled on the merits of the case?
Have been to vist Terri? Why has Terri never been represented?
Do you know what a Guardian Ad Litem is? An attorney appointed to
represent someone unbable to speak for themselves. Terri has had a
Guardian Ad Litem since the case was first heard. She has been
adequetely represented at every single hearing.
Oh, really??
Please provide the documents.
The judges have heard from medical experts on both sides. Oddly, the
only medical experts that the parents bring forward are doctors who
have never examined Terri.
There is a small possibility that Terri could recover to some degree.
But instead of allowing rehabilitation she has been senteced to death.
"Life may not be the party we hoped for, but while we are here we might as well dance."
Author Unknown
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| User: "Bible Studies with Satan" |
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25 Mar 2005 05:46:16 PM |
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CB wrote:
On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 17:22:18 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
In article <6aj641pqe0m6i3vtqm4d8md879lgfh8oml@4ax.com> CB
<country2000@hotmail.com> writes:
On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 22:04:41 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
Sorry, but that's not how it works. The judges are chosen randomly.
So far, this case has been heard by Reagan appointees, Clinton
appointees, and one Ford appointee. The are Catholic, Protestant, and
Agnostic. They range from staunch conservative to screaming liberal.
And in evey case, they have ruled that Terri is gone, and did not want
to be kept alive by artificial means.
How many judges do you know that ruled on the merits of the case?
Have been to vist Terri? Why has Terri never been represented?
Do you know what a Guardian Ad Litem is? An attorney appointed to
represent someone unbable to speak for themselves. Terri has had a
Guardian Ad Litem since the case was first heard. She has been
adequetely represented at every single hearing.
Oh, really??
Please provide the documents.
Why not wake up yourself? You're living in a world of superstition and are being
tube-fed evangelical lies in your cult of 'life'.
The judges have heard from medical experts on both sides. Oddly, the
only medical experts that the parents bring forward are doctors who
have never examined Terri.
There is a small possibility that Terri could recover to some degree.
But instead of allowing rehabilitation she has been senteced to death.
"Life may not be the party we hoped for, but while we are here we might as
well dance." Author Unknown
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| User: "CB" |
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24 Mar 2005 09:20:39 PM |
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On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 23:44:49 +0000 (UTC), (Cary
Kittrell) wrote:
In article <6aj641pqe0m6i3vtqm4d8md879lgfh8oml@4ax.com> CB <country2000@hotmail.com> writes:
On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 22:04:41 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 15:09:53 -0600, CB <country2000@hotmail.com>
drained his beer, leaned back in the alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly
proclaimed the following
How many judges want to keep her alive that have not been allowed to hear her
case?
Sorry, but that's not how it works. The judges are chosen randomly.
So far, this case has been heard by Reagan appointees, Clinton
appointees, and one Ford appointee. The are Catholic, Protestant, and
Agnostic. They range from staunch conservative to screaming liberal.
And in evey case, they have ruled that Terri is gone, and did not want
to be kept alive by artificial means.
How many judges do you know that ruled on the merits of the case?
Have been to vist Terri? Why has Terri never been represented?
Let me try asking again: as you do not regard the endless legal
maneuvers on Terri's behalf her parents and her parents' lawyers
as "representing Terri", please describe exactly what situation
you would as accept as her being represented?
When she finally has a judge that will listen to both sides.
That has never happened.
Terri needs a lawyer that will represent her, not scumbag.
-- cary
"Life may not be the party we hoped for, but while we are here we might as well dance."
Author Unknown
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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25 Mar 2005 09:12:38 AM |
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In article <1q0741pjghr9q0fc1c2a0b0viqpmdmp73b@4ax.com> CB <country2000@hotmail.com> writes:
On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 23:44:49 +0000 (UTC), (Cary
Kittrell) wrote:
In article <6aj641pqe0m6i3vtqm4d8md879lgfh8oml@4ax.com> CB <country2000@hotmail.com> writes:
On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 22:04:41 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 15:09:53 -0600, CB <country2000@hotmail.com>
drained his beer, leaned back in the alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly
proclaimed the following
How many judges want to keep her alive that have not been allowed to hear her
case?
Sorry, but that's not how it works. The judges are chosen randomly.
So far, this case has been heard by Reagan appointees, Clinton
appointees, and one Ford appointee. The are Catholic, Protestant, and
Agnostic. They range from staunch conservative to screaming liberal.
And in evey case, they have ruled that Terri is gone, and did not want
to be kept alive by artificial means.
How many judges do you know that ruled on the merits of the case?
Have been to vist Terri? Why has Terri never been represented?
Let me try asking again: as you do not regard the endless legal
maneuvers on Terri's behalf her parents and her parents' lawyers
as "representing Terri", please describe exactly what situation
you would as accept as her being represented?
When she finally has a judge that will listen to both sides.
That has never happened.
The lawyers representing Terri's parents have filed at least
fifteen motions. Do you not think that her parents are
on (what you think to be) "Terri's side"?
These dozen-plus motions have lead to over twenty
judicial decisions by nearly as many judges.
Are you telling me that not one of these judges
actually considered the motion he was ruling on?
Or what?
Terri needs a lawyer that will represent her, not scumbag.
The lawyers serving Terri's parents are scumbags? Why?
-- cary
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| User: "CB" |
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25 Mar 2005 01:56:15 PM |
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On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 15:12:38 +0000 (UTC), (Cary
Kittrell) wrote:
In article <1q0741pjghr9q0fc1c2a0b0viqpmdmp73b@4ax.com> CB <country2000@hotmail.com> writes:
On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 23:44:49 +0000 (UTC), (Cary
Kittrell) wrote:
In article <6aj641pqe0m6i3vtqm4d8md879lgfh8oml@4ax.com> CB <country2000@hotmail.com> writes:
On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 22:04:41 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 15:09:53 -0600, CB <country2000@hotmail.com>
drained his beer, leaned back in the alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly
proclaimed the following
How many judges want to keep her alive that have not been allowed to hear her
case?
Sorry, but that's not how it works. The judges are chosen randomly.
So far, this case has been heard by Reagan appointees, Clinton
appointees, and one Ford appointee. The are Catholic, Protestant, and
Agnostic. They range from staunch conservative to screaming liberal.
And in evey case, they have ruled that Terri is gone, and did not want
to be kept alive by artificial means.
How many judges do you know that ruled on the merits of the case?
Have been to vist Terri? Why has Terri never been represented?
Let me try asking again: as you do not regard the endless legal
maneuvers on Terri's behalf her parents and her parents' lawyers
as "representing Terri", please describe exactly what situation
you would as accept as her being represented?
When she finally has a judge that will listen to both sides.
That has never happened.
The lawyers representing Terri's parents have filed at least
fifteen motions. Do you not think that her parents are
on (what you think to be) "Terri's side"?
Again, TERRI has NEVER been represented.
These dozen-plus motions have lead to over twenty
judicial decisions by nearly as many judges.
Are you telling me that not one of these judges
actually considered the motion he was ruling on?
yes.
They evidently don't want to upset greer.
Or what?
Terri needs a lawyer that will represent her, not scumbag.
The lawyers serving Terri's parents are scumbags? Why?
scumbag is her husband.
-- cary
"Life may not be the party we hoped for, but while we are here we might as well dance."
Author Unknown
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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25 Mar 2005 02:26:03 PM |
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In article <a4r841l1p7i15l81ctsg0ucggelosclvkr@4ax.com> CB <country2000@hotmail.com> writes:
On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 15:12:38 +0000 (UTC), (Cary
Kittrell) wrote:
In article <1q0741pjghr9q0fc1c2a0b0viqpmdmp73b@4ax.com> CB <country2000@hotmail.com> writes:
On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 23:44:49 +0000 (UTC), (Cary
Kittrell) wrote:
In article <6aj641pqe0m6i3vtqm4d8md879lgfh8oml@4ax.com> CB <country2000@hotmail.com> writes:
On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 22:04:41 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 15:09:53 -0600, CB <country2000@hotmail.com>
drained his beer, leaned back in the alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly
proclaimed the following
How many judges want to keep her alive that have not been allowed to hear her
case?
Sorry, but that's not how it works. The judges are chosen randomly.
So far, this case has been heard by Reagan appointees, Clinton
appointees, and one Ford appointee. The are Catholic, Protestant, and
Agnostic. They range from staunch conservative to screaming liberal.
And in evey case, they have ruled that Terri is gone, and did not want
to be kept alive by artificial means.
How many judges do you know that ruled on the merits of the case?
Have been to vist Terri? Why has Terri never been represented?
Let me try asking again: as you do not regard the endless legal
maneuvers on Terri's behalf her parents and her parents' lawyers
as "representing Terri", please describe exactly what situation
you would as accept as her being represented?
When she finally has a judge that will listen to both sides.
That has never happened.
The lawyers representing Terri's parents have filed at least
fifteen motions. Do you not think that her parents are
on (what you think to be) "Terri's side"?
Again, TERRI has NEVER been represented.
You want her to stroll into court herself, lawyer
in tow? That seems to be all that has not
happened.
I suspect that Bob Schiavo and Mary Schiavo would be
rather infuriated with your intimation that in spite
of their ceaseless efforts over the past decade and a
half, "Terri has never been represented". They
seem to be of the opinion that they've hardly
done anything else with their lives during that
period except try to represent Terri.
These dozen-plus motions have lead to over twenty
judicial decisions by nearly as many judges.
Are you telling me that not one of these judges
actually considered the motion he was ruling on?
yes.
They evidently don't want to upset greer.
I see. Nearly a couple of dozen judges now, Clinton appointees,
Bush-I appointees, Bush-II appointees, ranging from Florida
to Circuit to the United States Supreme Court... and you're
saying that not a one of them gave any consideration to
the arguments of the Schiavo's lawyers? Because
they didn't want to upset Greer?
Is that truly what you're saying?
Apparently in CB-world, "being represented" only happens
when the judge buys your arguments.
Or what?
Terri needs a lawyer that will represent her, not scumbag.
The lawyers serving Terri's parents are scumbags? Why?
scumbag is her husband.
And the lawyers who have been laboring for the Schiavos
all these years. What are they, non-existant?
-- cary
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| User: "Doc: The absent-minded-professor!" |
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26 Mar 2005 12:23:41 PM |
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On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 20:26:03 +0000 (UTC),
(Cary Kittrell) sez the following funny stuff:
And the lawyers who have been laboring for the Schiavos
all these years. What are they, non-existant?
-- cary
Terri's FORMER 'husband' is NO LONGER a part of her life. He abandoned
her, and for the last TEN YEARS has been shacked up with another
female, fathering two children by her.
So- he is also a BIGAMIST if anyone wants to continue claiming he is
'her husband'.
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| User: "Michelle Malkin" |
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26 Mar 2005 03:06:17 PM |
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"Doc: The absent-minded-professor!" <Doc@Watson.yup> wrote in message
news:b3ab419u08a1u2mr143e5io3kiqvstfab8@4ax.com...
On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 20:26:03 +0000 (UTC),
(Cary Kittrell) sez the following funny stuff:
And the lawyers who have been laboring for the Schiavos
all these years. What are they, non-existant?
-- cary
Terri's FORMER 'husband' is NO LONGER a part of her life. He abandoned
her, and for the last TEN YEARS has been shacked up with another
female, fathering two children by her.
So- he is also a BIGAMIST if anyone wants to continue claiming he is
'her husband'.
Sorry, bunky, but he is still married to Terri. He has not married
the woman he is living with, so he is not a bigamist. I've no doubt
that he will marry the mother of his two children, as soon as he is
legally able to do this. She has faith in him. It's not your problem.
In the meantime, he is doing the best for Terri that he can and
trying his best to carry out her wishes. This also makes it none of
your business.
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| User: "Doc: The absent-minded-professor!" |
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27 Mar 2005 11:36:04 AM |
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On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 16:06:17 -0500, "Michelle Malkin"
<hypatiab7@comcast.net> sez the following funny stuff:
Sorry, bunky, but he is still married to Terri. He has not married
the woman he is living with, so he is not a bigamist.
He HAS fathered two children by his new 'breeding mare'...........
He HAS unlawfully done so.
If he is still to be considered Terri's 'husband' then he IS a
bigamist by carrying on with the other brood mare as 'married'........
I've no doubt
that he will marry the mother of his two children, as soon as he is
legally able to do this. She has faith in him. It's not your problem.
Yes, it is, to anyone concerned for the welfare of another innocent
human being, which Terri is.
In the meantime, he is doing the best for Terri that he can and
trying his best to carry out her wishes. This also makes it none of
your business.
If that ***** was to do the BEST for Terri, he'd back off, and let
the family take care of her needs. he scu,mbag even refused to allow
here to receive communion this morning.
Shows what that thing really is........... a pure scuz.
and it IS public news, therefore, it IS my business.
I'm not breaking the law by listening to the news, bubba.
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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27 Mar 2005 07:20:08 AM |
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"Doc: The absent-minded-professor!" <Doc@Watson.yup> wrote in message
news:b3ab419u08a1u2mr143e5io3kiqvstfab8@4ax.com...
On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 20:26:03 +0000 (UTC),
(Cary Kittrell) sez the following funny stuff:
And the lawyers who have been laboring for the Schiavos
all these years. What are they, non-existant?
-- cary
Terri's FORMER 'husband' is NO LONGER a part of her life. He abandoned
her, and for the last TEN YEARS has been shacked up with another
female, fathering two children by her.
So- he is also a BIGAMIST if anyone wants to continue claiming he is
'her husband'.
You're a moron. He is still legally Terri's husband and as he hasn't married
the other woman, he cannot be a bigamist.
--
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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28 Mar 2005 11:19:57 AM |
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In article <b3ab419u08a1u2mr143e5io3kiqvstfab8@4ax.com> "Doc: The absent-minded-professor!" <Doc@Watson.yup> writes:
On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 20:26:03 +0000 (UTC),
(Cary Kittrell) sez the following funny stuff:
And the lawyers who have been laboring for the Schiavos
all these years. What are they, non-existant?
Terri's FORMER 'husband' is NO LONGER a part of her life. He abandoned
her, and for the last TEN YEARS has been shacked up with another
female, fathering two children by her.
So- he is also a BIGAMIST if anyone wants to continue claiming he is
'her husband'.
My mis-type: I meant "lawyers laboring for the Schindlers". CB
claims, without offering a shred of evidence, that Terri has
never been legally represented. I've asked him a minimum of five
times why the fifteen (nearer twenty motions) filed by "Terri's parents"
don't count as representation on Terri's behalf; his only
answer is to mumble something about how the judges never
paid attention to those arguments, and how they're all
in a grand conspiracy not to offend Judge Greer.
As far as Schiavo -- got it right this time -- abandoning Terri,
I can only offer what another poster here wrote, a poster
whose sister died in the same hospice, that
The parents were hardly ever to be seen.
The husband was there frequently.
-- cary
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On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 17:19:57 +0000 (UTC),
(Cary Kittrell) sez the following funny stuff:
The parents were hardly ever to be seen.
The husband was there frequently.
-- cary
YET, thre 'husband' has asked the staff there repeatedly "When is that
***** going to die?"
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28 Mar 2005 03:10:09 PM |
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Doc: The absent-minded-professor! wrote:
On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 17:19:57 +0000 (UTC),
(Cary Kittrell) sez the following funny stuff:
The parents were hardly ever to be seen.
The husband was there frequently.
-- cary
YET, thre 'husband' has asked the staff there repeatedly "When is that
***** going to die?"
Not only that he used to grab at the nurse's butts and try to pinch their
nipples!
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25 Mar 2005 10:22:58 PM |
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On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 20:26:03 +0000 (UTC), (Cary
Kittrell) wrote:
You need to study the facts of the case.
Get back to me then.
"Life may not be the party we hoped for, but while we are here we might as well dance."
Author Unknown
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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28 Mar 2005 11:04:59 AM |
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In article <3so9411ftgehktkblr84ob3nhgah6r7t9g@4ax.com> CB <country2000@hotmail.com> writes:
On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 20:26:03 +0000 (UTC), (Cary
Kittrell) wrote:
You need to study the facts of the case.
Get back to me then.
Beg pardon? The only "facts" you've offered are the "fact" that
Schiavo lied -- which you don't know, I don't know, only he knows --
and the "fact" that judges from the bottom all the way up
to the United States Supereme Court ruled as they have
in order not to hurt poor Judge Greer's feelings.
If these are what you're using as facts, I can see why you're
so disturbed. That latter was a genuine laugh-out-loud, even
by Usenet standards.
Why don't you list a few of these facts that you think I'm unaware
of?
Here, use this space:
-- cary
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28 Mar 2005 03:48:16 PM |
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On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 17:04:59 +0000 (UTC), (Cary
Kittrell) wrote:
In article <3so9411ftgehktkblr84ob3nhgah6r7t9g@4ax.com> CB <country2000@hotmail.com> writes:
On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 20:26:03 +0000 (UTC), (Cary
Kittrell) wrote:
You need to study the facts of the case.
Get back to me then.
Beg pardon? The only "facts" you've offered are the "fact" that
Schiavo lied -- which you don't know, I don't know, only he knows --
and the "fact" that judges from the bottom all the way up
to the United States Supereme Court ruled as they have
in order not to hurt poor Judge Greer's feelings.
If these are what you're using as facts, I can see why you're
so disturbed. That latter was a genuine laugh-out-loud, even
by Usenet standards.
Why don't you list a few of these facts that you think I'm unaware
of?
Here, use this space:
Use this link. http://www.google.com
It's really easy. Really it is.
Try it sometime.
Or you can try these.
I know it's difficult for you but you can do it.
http://www.terrisfight.net/
And becaus eyou are too lazy, here are a few more.
http://www.glennbeck.com/news/03-24-05/hlawaffidavit.pdf
http://www.glennbeck.com/news/03-24-05/CIyerAffidavit090203.pdf
http://www.glennbeck.com/news/03-24-05/mic-depo.pdf
Now you seem to be so smart. try doing a little study on your own.
-- cary
"Life may not be the party we hoped for, but while we are here we might as well dance."
Author Unknown
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28 Mar 2005 04:06:25 PM |
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CB wrote:
On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 17:04:59 +0000 (UTC), (Cary
Kittrell) wrote:
In article <3so9411ftgehktkblr84ob3nhgah6r7t9g@4ax.com> CB
<country2000@hotmail.com> writes:
On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 20:26:03 +0000 (UTC), (Cary
Kittrell) wrote:
You need to study the facts of the case.
Get back to me then.
Beg pardon? The only "facts" you've offered are the "fact" that
Schiavo lied -- which you don't know, I don't know, only he knows --
and the "fact" that judges from the bottom all the way up
to the United States Supereme Court ruled as they have
in order not to hurt poor Judge Greer's feelings.
If these are what you're using as facts, I can see why you're
so disturbed. That latter was a genuine laugh-out-loud, even
by Usenet standards.
Why don't you list a few of these facts that you think I'm unaware
of?
Here, use this space:
Use this link. http://www.google.com
It's really easy. Really it is.
Try it sometime.
Or you can try these.
I know it's difficult for you but you can do it.
http://www.terrisfight.net/
Cut through the Xtian lies and go here
http://abstractappeal.com/schiavo/infopage.html
And becaus eyou are too lazy, here are a few more.
http://www.glennbeck.com/news/03-24-05/hlawaffidavit.pdf
http://www.glennbeck.com/news/03-24-05/CIyerAffidavit090203.pdf
http://www.glennbeck.com/news/03-24-05/mic-depo.pdf
Now you seem to be so smart. try doing a little study on your own.
-- cary
"Life may not be the party we hoped for, but while we are here we might as
well dance." Author Unknown
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28 Mar 2005 04:08:54 PM |
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In article <jcug4196jmp7qv4044dvggh3ov6anqcrgh@4ax.com> CB <country2000@hotmail.com> writes:
On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 17:04:59 +0000 (UTC), (Cary
Kittrell) wrote:
In article <3so9411ftgehktkblr84ob3nhgah6r7t9g@4ax.com> CB <country2000@hotmail.com> writes:
On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 20:26:03 +0000 (UTC), (Cary
Kittrell) wrote:
You need to study the facts of the case.
Get back to me then.
Beg pardon? The only "facts" you've offered are the "fact" that
Schiavo lied -- which you don't know, I don't know, only he knows --
and the "fact" that judges from the bottom all the way up
to the United States Supereme Court ruled as they have
in order not to hurt poor Judge Greer's feelings.
If these are what you're using as facts, I can see why you're
so disturbed. That latter was a genuine laugh-out-loud, even
by Usenet standards.
Why don't you list a few of these facts that you think I'm unaware
of?
Here, use this space:
Use this link. http://www.google.com
It's really easy. Really it is.
Try it sometime.
Or you can try these.
I know it's difficult for you but you can do it.
http://www.terrisfight.net/
And becaus eyou are too lazy, here are a few more.
http://www.glennbeck.com/news/03-24-05/hlawaffidavit.pdf
http://www.glennbeck.com/news/03-24-05/CIyerAffidavit090203.pdf
http://www.glennbeck.com/news/03-24-05/mic-depo.pdf
Now you seem to be so smart. try doing a little study on your own.
Sorry, but I'm not going to wade through links trying to figure
out what you're talking about.
You seem to have some very specific facts in mind, and you seem
to think they contradict my assertions. Very well: you can
type, judging by your volumnious output, you can type very
fluently. So write out what you have to say; don't expect
me to do the research required to support your arguments for you.
-- cary
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28 Mar 2005 04:50:29 PM |
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In article <d29v9m$juu$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu> (Cary Kittrell) writes:
In article <jcug4196jmp7qv4044dvggh3ov6anqcrgh@4ax.com> CB <country2000@hotmail.com> writes:
On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 17:04:59 +0000 (UTC), (Cary
Kittrell) wrote:
In article <3so9411ftgehktkblr84ob3nhgah6r7t9g@4ax.com> CB <country2000@hotmail.com> writes:
On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 20:26:03 +0000 (UTC), (Cary
Kittrell) wrote:
You need to study the facts of the case.
Get back to me then.
Beg pardon? The only "facts" you've offered are the "fact" that
Schiavo lied -- which you don't know, I don't know, only he knows --
and the "fact" that judges from the bottom all the way up
to the United States Supereme Court ruled as they have
in order not to hurt poor Judge Greer's feelings.
If these are what you're using as facts, I can see why you're
so disturbed. That latter was a genuine laugh-out-loud, even
by Usenet standards.
Why don't you list a few of these facts that you think I'm unaware
of?
Here, use this space:
Use this link. http://www.google.com
It's really easy. Really it is.
Try it sometime.
Or you can try these.
I know it's difficult for you but you can do it.
http://www.terrisfight.net/
And becaus eyou are too lazy, here are a few more.
http://www.glennbeck.com/news/03-24-05/hlawaffidavit.pdf
http://www.glennbeck.com/news/03-24-05/CIyerAffidavit090203.pdf
http://www.glennbeck.com/news/03-24-05/mic-depo.pdf
Now you seem to be so smart. try doing a little study on your own.
Sorry, but I'm not going to wade through links trying to figure
out what you're talking about.
You seem to have some very specific facts in mind, and you seem
to think they contradict my assertions. Very well: you can
type, judging by your volumnious output, you can type very
fluently. So write out what you have to say; don't expect
me to do the research required to support your arguments for you.
In spite of what I wrote there, I did gook at the three pdf files.
One of them is 136 pages long, and with regard to that one, I
repeat: if you have something to say, say it. I'm not going
to wade through well over 100 pages going "hmmmm... is this
what CB thinks? No, wait, maybe it's this over here...".
On the other hand, the affidavits of Iyer and Lauer were short,
and I did read them through.
They contain highly subjective interpretations of Terri's condition ...
as it was eight years ago. Further, I would like to hear your
thoughts on Greer's observation, with regard to these affidavits,
that:
The court feels constrained to discuss them. They are incredible to say
the least. Ms. Iyer details what amounts to a 15-month cover-up which
would include the staff of Palm Garden of Lago Convalescent Center, the
Guardian of the Person, the Guardian ad Litem, the medical
professionals, the police and, believe it or not, Mr. and Mrs.
Schindler. Her affidavit clearly states that she would "call them (Mr.
and Mrs. Schindler) anyway because I thought they should know about
their daughter." The affidavit of Ms. Law speaks of Terri responding on
a constant basis. Neither in the testimony nor in the medical records
is there support for these affidavits as they purport to detail
activities and responses of Terri Schiavo. It is impossible to believe
that Mr. and Mrs. Schindler would not have subpoenaed Ms. Iyer for the
January 2000 evidentiary hearing had she contacted them as her
affidavit alleges."
And speaking of reading, Michael Schiavo is not petitioning the
court to allow him to pull the plug -- he agreed to a legal
situation in which the court itself became Terri's legal
guardian, and the court itself ruled that Terri would
have wanted the plug pulled in her present situation:
Michael Schiavo did not make the decision to discontinue life-
prolonging measures for Terri.
As Terri's husband, Michael has been her guardian and her surrogate
decision-maker. By 1998, though -- eight years after the trauma that
produced Terri's situation -- Michael and Terri's parents disagreed
over the proper course for her.
Rather than make the decision himself, Michael followed a procedure
permitted by Florida courts by which a surrogate such as Michael can
petition a court, asking the court to act as the ward's surrogate and
determine what the ward would decide to do. Michael did this, and based
on statements Terri made to him and others, he took the position that
Terri would not wish to continue life-prolonging measures. The
Schindlers took the position that Terri would continue life-prolonging
measures. Under this procedure, the trial court becomes the surrogate
decision-maker, and that is what happened in this case.
The trial court in this case held a trial on the dispute. Both sides
were given opportunities to present their views and the evidence
supporting those views. Afterwards, the trial court determined that,
even applying the "clear and convincing evidence" standard -- the
highest burden of proof used in civil cases -- the evidence showed that
Terri would not wish to continue life-prolonging measures.
(from: http://abstractappeal.com/schiavo/infopage.html)
-- cary
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28 Mar 2005 05:30:40 PM |
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On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 22:50:29 +0000 (UTC), (Cary
Kittrell) wrote:
In article <d29v9m$juu$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu> (Cary Kittrell) writes:
In article <jcug4196jmp7qv4044dvggh3ov6anqcrgh@4ax.com> CB <country2000@hotmail.com> writes:
On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 17:04:59 +0000 (UTC), (Cary
Kittrell) wrote:
In article <3so9411ftgehktkblr84ob3nhgah6r7t9g@4ax.com> CB <country2000@hotmail.com> writes:
On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 20:26:03 +0000 (UTC), (Cary
Kittrell) wrote:
You need to study the facts of the case.
Get back to me then.
Beg pardon? The only "facts" you've offered are the "fact" that
Schiavo lied -- which you don't know, I don't know, only he knows --
and the "fact" that judges from the bottom all the way up
to the United States Supereme Court ruled as they have
in order not to hurt poor Judge Greer's feelings.
If these are what you're using as facts, I can see why you're
so disturbed. That latter was a genuine laugh-out-loud, even
by Usenet standards.
Why don't you list a few of these facts that you think I'm unaware
of?
Here, use this space:
Use this link. http://www.google.com
It's really easy. Really it is.
Try it sometime.
Or you can try these.
I know it's difficult for you but you can do it.
http://www.terrisfight.net/
And becaus eyou are too lazy, here are a few more.
http://www.glennbeck.com/news/03-24-05/hlawaffidavit.pdf
http://www.glennbeck.com/news/03-24-05/CIyerAffidavit090203.pdf
http://www.glennbeck.com/news/03-24-05/mic-depo.pdf
Now you seem to be so smart. try doing a little study on your own.
Sorry, but I'm not going to wade through links trying to figure
out what you're talking about.
You seem to have some very specific facts in mind, and you seem
to think they contradict my assertions. Very well: you can
type, judging by your volumnious output, you can type very
fluently. So write out what you have to say; don't expect
me to do the research required to support your arguments for you.
In spite of what I wrote there, I did gook at the three pdf files.
One of them is 136 pages long, and with regard to that one, I
repeat: if you have something to say, say it. I'm not going
to wade through well over 100 pages
I did. Of course it took a while. But thatwas a couple yeas before your ilk
actually tried to kill her.
going "hmmmm... is this
what CB thinks? No, wait, maybe it's this over here...".
On the other hand, the affidavits of Iyer and Lauer were short,
and I did read them through.
They contain highly subjective interpretations of Terri's condition ...
as it was eight years ago. Further, I would like to hear your
thoughts on Greer's observation, with regard to these affidavits,
that:
The court feels constrained to discuss them. They are incredible to say
the least. Ms. Iyer details what amounts to a 15-month cover-up which
would include the staff of Palm Garden of Lago Convalescent Center, the
Guardian of the Person, the Guardian ad Litem, the medical
professionals, the police and, believe it or not, Mr. and Mrs.
Schindler. Her affidavit clearly states that she would "call them (Mr.
and Mrs. Schindler) anyway because I thought they should know about
their daughter." The affidavit of Ms. Law speaks of Terri responding on
a constant basis. Neither in the testimony nor in the medical records
is there support for these affidavits as they purport to detail
activities and responses of Terri Schiavo. It is impossible to believe
that Mr. and Mrs. Schindler would not have subpoenaed Ms. Iyer for the
January 2000 evidentiary hearing had she contacted them as her
affidavit alleges."
And speaking of reading, Michael Schiavo is not petitioning the
court to allow him to pull the plug -- he agreed to a legal
situation in which the court itself became Terri's legal
guardian, and the court itself ruled that Terri would
have wanted the plug pulled in her present situation:
Michael Schiavo did not make the decision to discontinue life-
prolonging measures for Terri.
As Terri's husband, Michael has been her guardian and her surrogate
decision-maker. By 1998, though -- eight years after the trauma that
produced Terri's situation -- Michael and Terri's parents disagreed
over the proper course for her.
Rather than make the decision himself, Michael followed a procedure
permitted by Florida courts by which a surrogate such as Michael can
petition a court, asking the court to act as the ward's surrogate and
determine what the ward would decide to do. Michael did this, and based
on statements Terri made to him and others, he took the position that
Terri would not wish to continue life-prolonging measures. The
Schindlers took the position that Terri would continue life-prolonging
measures. Under this procedure, the trial court becomes the surrogate
decision-maker, and that is what happened in this case.
The trial court in this case held a trial on the dispute. Both sides
were given opportunities to present their views and the evidence
supporting those views. Afterwards, the trial court determined that,
even applying the "clear and convincing evidence" standard -- the
highest burden of proof used in civil cases -- the evidence showed that
Terri would not wish to continue life-prolonging measures.
You need to study some more.
The is no credible evidence that Terri sais she did not want to live.
I've been following this for about 3 years.
How long have you been keeping up?
(from: http://abstractappeal.com/schiavo/infopage.html)
-- cary
"Life may not be the party we hoped for, but while we are here we might as well dance."
Author Unknown
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28 Mar 2005 05:36:35 PM |
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In article <pl4h41tafiqibjvmvpplpn5sbs03ddnc0b@4ax.com> CB <country2000@hotmail.com> writes:
On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 22:50:29 +0000 (UTC), (Cary
Kittrell) wrote:
In article <d29v9m$juu$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu> (Cary Kittrell) writes:
In article <jcug4196jmp7qv4044dvggh3ov6anqcrgh@4ax.com> CB <country2000@hotmail.com> writes:
On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 17:04:59 +0000 (UTC), (Cary
Kittrell) wrote:
In article <3so9411ftgehktkblr84ob3nhgah6r7t9g@4ax.com> CB <country2000@hotmail.com> writes:
On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 20:26:03 +0000 (UTC), (Cary
Kittrell) wrote:
You need to study the facts of the case.
Get back to me then.
Beg pardon? The only "facts" you've offered are the "fact" that
Schiavo lied -- which you don't know, I don't know, only he knows --
and the "fact" that judges from the bottom all the way up
to the United States Supereme Court ruled as they have
in order not to hurt poor Judge Greer's feelings.
If these are what you're using as facts, I can see why you're
so disturbed. That latter was a genuine laugh-out-loud, even
by Usenet standards.
Why don't you list a few of these facts that you think I'm unaware
of?
Here, use this space:
Use this link. http://www.google.com
It's really easy. Really it is.
Try it sometime.
Or you can try these.
I know it's difficult for you but you can do it.
http://www.terrisfight.net/
And becaus eyou are too lazy, here are a few more.
http://www.glennbeck.com/news/03-24-05/hlawaffidavit.pdf
http://www.glennbeck.com/news/03-24-05/CIyerAffidavit090203.pdf
http://www.glennbeck.com/news/03-24-05/mic-depo.pdf
Now you seem to be so smart. try doing a little study on your own.
Sorry, but I'm not going to wade through links trying to figure
out what you're talking about.
You seem to have some very specific facts in mind, and you seem
to think they contradict my assertions. Very well: you can
type, judging by your volumnious output, you can type very
fluently. So write out what you have to say; don't expect
me to do the research required to support your arguments for you.
In spite of what I wrote there, I did gook at the three pdf files.
One of them is 136 pages long, and with regard to that one, I
repeat: if you have something to say, say it. I'm not going
to wade through well over 100 pages
I did. Of course it took a while. But thatwas a couple yeas before your ilk
actually tried to kill her.
Excellent. Then I'm sure you have some salient points to actually list, in contrast
to what you've been doing so far. Please feel free to post some of these at
this time.
-- cary
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28 Mar 2005 05:44:33 PM |
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Cary Kittrell wrote:
In article <pl4h41tafiqibjvmvpplpn5sbs03ddnc0b@4ax.com> CB
<country2000@hotmail.com> writes:
On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 22:50:29 +0000 (UTC), (Cary
Kittrell) wrote:
In article <d29v9m$juu$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu>
(Cary Kittrell) writes:
In article <jcug4196jmp7qv4044dvggh3ov6anqcrgh@4ax.com> CB
<country2000@hotmail.com> writes:
On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 17:04:59 +0000 (UTC),
(Cary Kittrell) wrote:
In article <3so9411ftgehktkblr84ob3nhgah6r7t9g@4ax.com> CB
<country2000@hotmail.com> writes:
On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 20:26:03 +0000 (UTC),
(Cary Kittrell) wrote:
You need to study the facts of the case.
Get back to me then.
Beg pardon? The only "facts" you've offered are the "fact" that
Schiavo lied -- which you don't know, I don't know, only he knows --
and the "fact" that judges from the bottom all the way up
to the United States Supereme Court ruled as they have
in order not to hurt poor Judge Greer's feelings.
If these are what you're using as facts, I can see why you're
so disturbed. That latter was a genuine laugh-out-loud, even
by Usenet standards.
Why don't you list a few of these facts that you think I'm unaware
of?
Here, use this space:
Use this link. http://www.google.com
It's really easy. Really it is.
Try it sometime.
Or you can try these.
I know it's difficult for you but you can do it.
http://www.terrisfight.net/
And becaus eyou are too lazy, here are a few more.
http://www.glennbeck.com/news/03-24-05/hlawaffidavit.pdf
http://www.glennbeck.com/news/03-24-05/CIyerAffidavit090203.pdf
http://www.glennbeck.com/news/03-24-05/mic-depo.pdf
Now you seem to be so smart. try doing a little study on your own.
Sorry, but I'm not going to wade through links trying to figure
out what you're talking about.
You seem to have some very specific facts in mind, and you seem
to think they contradict my assertions. Very well: you can
type, judging by your volumnious output, you can type very
fluently. So write out what you have to say; don't expect
me to do the research required to support your arguments for you.
In spite of what I wrote there, I did gook at the three pdf files.
One of them is 136 pages long, and with regard to that one, I
repeat: if you have something to say, say it. I'm not going
to wade through well over 100 pages
I did. Of course it took a while. But thatwas a couple yeas before your ilk
actually tried to kill her.
Excellent. Then I'm sure you have some salient points to actually list, in
contrast
to what you've been doing so far. Please feel free to post some of these at
this time.
CB is a liar.
-- cary
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28 Mar 2005 06:03:12 PM |
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In article <yF02e.112300$r55.33535@attbi_s52> Bible Studies with Satan <church@state.org> writes:
Cary Kittrell wrote:
In article <pl4h41tafiqibjvmvpplpn5sbs03ddnc0b@4ax.com> CB
<country2000@hotmail.com> writes:
On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 22:50:29 +0000 (UTC), (Cary
Kittrell) wrote:
In article <d29v9m$juu$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu>
(Cary Kittrell) writes:
In article <jcug4196jmp7qv4044dvggh3ov6anqcrgh@4ax.com> CB
<country2000@hotmail.com> writes:
On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 17:04:59 +0000 (UTC),
(Cary Kittrell) wrote:
In article <3so9411ftgehktkblr84ob3nhgah6r7t9g@4ax.com> CB
<country2000@hotmail.com> writes:
On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 20:26:03 +0000 (UTC),
(Cary Kittrell) wrote:
You need to study the facts of the case.
Get back to me then.
Beg pardon? The only "facts" you've offered are the "fact" that
Schiavo lied -- which you don't know, I don't know, only he knows --
and the "fact" that judges from the bottom all the way up
to the United States Supereme Court ruled as they have
in order not to hurt poor Judge Greer's feelings.
If these are what you're using as facts, I can see why you're
so disturbed. That latter was a genuine laugh-out-loud, even
by Usenet standards.
Why don't you list a few of these facts that you think I'm unaware
of?
Here, use this space:
Use this link. http://www.google.com
It's really easy. Really it is.
Try it sometime.
Or you can try these.
I know it's difficult for you but you can do it.
http://www.terrisfight.net/
And becaus eyou are too lazy, here are a few more.
http://www.glennbeck.com/news/03-24-05/hlawaffidavit.pdf
http://www.glennbeck.com/news/03-24-05/CIyerAffidavit090203.pdf
http://www.glennbeck.com/news/03-24-05/mic-depo.pdf
Now you seem to be so smart. try doing a little study on your own.
Sorry, but I'm not going to wade through links trying to figure
out what you're talking about.
You seem to have some very specific facts in mind, and you seem
to think they contradict my assertions. Very well: you can
type, judging by your volumnious output, you can type very
fluently. So write out what you have to say; don't expect
me to do the research required to support your arguments for you.
In spite of what I wrote there, I did gook at the three pdf files.
One of them is 136 pages long, and with regard to that one, I
repeat: if you have something to say, say it. I'm not going
to wade through well over 100 pages
I did. Of course it took a while. But thatwas a couple yeas before your ilk
actually tried to kill her.
Excellent. Then I'm sure you have some salient points to actually list, in
contrast
to what you've been doing so far. Please feel free to post some of these at
this time.
CB is a liar.
I don't think I'm going to go that far. However, I am increasingly puzzled
over why, if he's been following this for three years -- and I'll take him
at his word on this -- why he's unable to provide anything other than
opinions; that, or try to flood you with links. I am admittedly not
any kind expert on this case, but I can state what I think, and list
the reasons I think so. He seems oddly unwilling to do that, to do
anything than mutter darkly about the motives of anyone involved
who does not agree with his viewpoint, including all twenty or so
judges.
-- cary
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28 Mar 2005 06:52:07 PM |
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Cary Kittrell wrote:
In article <yF02e.112300$r55.33535@attbi_s52> Bible Studies with Satan
<church@state.org> writes:
Cary Kittrell wrote:
In article <pl4h41tafiqibjvmvpplpn5sbs03ddnc0b@4ax.com> CB
<country2000@hotmail.com> writes:
On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 22:50:29 +0000 (UTC), (Cary
Kittrell) wrote:
In article <d29v9m$juu$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu>
(Cary Kittrell) writes:
In article <jcug4196jmp7qv4044dvggh3ov6anqcrgh@4ax.com> CB
<country2000@hotmail.com> writes:
On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 17:04:59 +0000 (UTC),
(Cary Kittrell) wrote:
In article <3so9411ftgehktkblr84ob3nhgah6r7t9g@4ax.com> CB
<country2000@hotmail.com> writes:
On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 20:26:03 +0000 (UTC),
(Cary Kittrell) wrote:
You need to study the facts of the case.
Get back to me then.
Beg pardon? The only "facts" you've offered are the "fact" that
Schiavo lied -- which you don't know, I don't know, only he knows --
and the "fact" that judges from the bottom all the way up
to the United States Supereme Court ruled as they have
in order not to hurt poor Judge Greer's feelings.
If these are what you're using as facts, I can see why you're
so disturbed. That latter was a genuine laugh-out-loud, even
by Usenet standards.
Why don't you list a few of these facts that you think I'm unaware
of?
Here, use this space:
Use this link. http://www.google.com
It's really easy. Really it is.
Try it sometime.
Or you can try these.
I know it's difficult for you but you can do it.
http://www.terrisfight.net/
And becaus eyou are too lazy, here are a few more.
http://www.glennbeck.com/news/03-24-05/hlawaffidavit.pdf
http://www.glennbeck.com/news/03-24-05/CIyerAffidavit090203.pdf
http://www.glennbeck.com/news/03-24-05/mic-depo.pdf
Now you seem to be so smart. try doing a little study on your own.
Sorry, but I'm not going to wade through links trying to figure
out what you're talking about.
You seem to have some very specific facts in mind, and you seem
to think they contradict my assertions. Very well: you can
type, judging by your volumnious output, you can type very
fluently. So write out what you have to say; don't expect
me to do the research required to support your arguments for you.
In spite of what I wrote there, I did gook at the three pdf files.
One of them is 136 pages long, and with regard to that one, I
repeat: if you have something to say, say it. I'm not going
to wade through well over 100 pages
I did. Of course it took a while. But thatwas a couple yeas before your
ilk actually tried to kill her.
Excellent. Then I'm sure you have some salient points to actually list, in
contrast
to what you've been doing so far. Please feel free to post some of these
at this time.
CB is a liar.
I don't think I'm going to go that far. However, I am increasingly puzzled
over why, if he's been following this for three years -- and I'll take him
at his word on this -- why he's unable to provide anything other than
opinions; that, or try to flood you with links. I am admittedly not
any kind expert on this case, but I can state what I think, and list
the reasons I think so. He seems oddly unwilling to do that, to do
anything than mutter darkly about the motives of anyone involved
who does not agree with his viewpoint, including all twenty or so
judges.
-- cary
Go to Theocracy Watch and see for yourself that these people will go to any
lengths (including lying) to establish Biblical Law. They absolutely despise
the judiciary because it is our agency of the rule of law (the constitutional
kind)
CB is only echoing what he reads from Operation Save America/Operation Rescue
who are the real $$$ backers of the Schindlers
http://www.theocracywatch.org/
http://www.operationsaveamerica.org/
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28 Mar 2005 07:17:01 PM |
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In article <XE12e.114997$Ze3.95023@attbi_s51> Bible Studies with Satan <church@state.org> writes:
Cary Kittrell wrote:
In article <yF02e.112300$r55.33535@attbi_s52> Bible Studies with Satan
<church@state.org> writes:
at this time.
{...}
CB is a liar.
I don't think I'm going to go that far. However, I am increasingly puzzled
over why, if he's been following this for three years -- and I'll take him
at his word on this -- why he's unable to provide anything other than
opinions; that, or try to flood you with links. I am admittedly not
any kind expert on this case, but I can state what I think, and list
the reasons I think so. He seems oddly unwilling to do that, to do
anything than mutter darkly about the motives of anyone involved
who does not agree with his viewpoint, including all twenty or so
judges.
-- cary
Go to Theocracy Watch and see for yourself that these people will go to any
lengths (including lying) to establish Biblical Law. They absolutely despise
the judiciary because it is our agency of the rule of law (the constitutional
kind)
CB is only echoing what he reads from Operation Save America/Operation Rescue
who are the real $$$ backers of the Schindlers
http://www.theocracywatch.org/
Bookmarked. A site where you get quotes both from Elaine Pagels and
R.J. Rushdooney is a definite keeper.
CB has always struck me quite strongly (to pick one defining point they mention)
as a clearcut authoritarian personality. The idea that it's the moral duty of
each individual to decide right and wrong for himself sits very poorly
with him.
-- cary
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28 Mar 2005 07:36:26 PM |
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On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 23:36:35 +0000 (UTC), (Cary
Kittrell) wrote:
In article <pl4h41tafiqibjvmvpplpn5sbs03ddnc0b@4ax.com> CB <country2000@hotmail.com> writes:
On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 22:50:29 +0000 (UTC), (Cary
Kittrell) wrote:
In article <d29v9m$juu$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu> (Cary Kittrell) writes:
In article <jcug4196jmp7qv4044dvggh3ov6anqcrgh@4ax.com> CB <country2000@hotmail.com> writes:
On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 17:04:59 +0000 (UTC), (Cary
Kittrell) wrote:
In article <3so9411ftgehktkblr84ob3nhgah6r7t9g@4ax.com> CB <country2000@hotmail.com> writes:
On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 20:26:03 +0000 (UTC), (Cary
Kittrell) wrote:
You need to study the facts of the case.
Get back to me then.
Beg pardon? The only "facts" you've offered are the "fact" that
Schiavo lied -- which you don't know, I don't know, only he knows --
and the "fact" that judges from the bottom all the way up
to the United States Supereme Court ruled as they have
in order not to hurt poor Judge Greer's feelings.
If these are what you're using as facts, I can see why you're
so disturbed. That latter was a genuine laugh-out-loud, even
by Usenet standards.
Why don't you list a few of these facts that you think I'm unaware
of?
Here, use this space:
Use this link. http://www.google.com
It's really easy. Really it is.
Try it sometime.
Or you can try these.
I know it's difficult for you but you can do it.
http://www.terrisfight.net/
And becaus eyou are too lazy, here are a few more.
http://www.glennbeck.com/news/03-24-05/hlawaffidavit.pdf
http://www.glennbeck.com/news/03-24-05/CIyerAffidavit090203.pdf
http://www.glennbeck.com/news/03-24-05/mic-depo.pdf
Now you seem to be so smart. try doing a little study on your own.
Sorry, but I'm not going to wade through links trying to figure
out what you're talking about.
You seem to have some very specific facts in mind, and you seem
to think they contradict my assertions. Very well: you can
type, judging by your volumnious output, you can type very
fluently. So write out what you have to say; don't expect
me to do the research required to support your arguments for you.
In spite of what I wrote there, I did gook at the three pdf files.
One of them is 136 pages long, and with regard to that one, I
repeat: if you have something to say, say it. I'm not going
to wade through well over 100 pages
I did. Of course it took a while. But thatwas a couple yeas before your ilk
actually tried to kill her.
Excellent. Then I'm sure you have some salient points to actually list, in contrast
to what you've been doing so far. Please feel free to post some of these at
this time.
Been there, done that.
Sorry you don't have the ability to comprehend anything.
-- cary
"Life may not be the party we hoped for, but while we are here we might as well dance."
Author Unknown
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28 Mar 2005 07:50:20 PM |
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In article <57ch41lpjgddkq99s7o38e206d6ft8mar3@4ax.com> CB <country2000@hotmail.com> writes:
On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 23:36:35 +0000 (UTC), (Cary
Kittrell) wrote:
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