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Vegetative State Can Give Kin False Hope |
Video showing the dark-haired woman appearing to interact with her
family has been televised nationally. But a court-appointed doctor has
said the noises and facial expressions are merely reflexes.
But in Schiavo's condition, described as a persistent vegetative
state, family members can be deceived by things like eye movements and
reflexes, experts say.
"It creates this ironic combination of wakefulness without awareness,"
said Dr. James Bernat, a neurology professor at Dartmouth Medical
School.
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=534&e=5&u=/ap/20050321/ap_on_he_me/brain_damaged_woman_condition
Vegetative State Can Give Kin False Hope
By MALCOLM RITTER, AP Science Writer
NEW YORK - In the family video played over and over on TV, Terri
Schiavo seems to gaze fondly at her mother, with the hint of a smile.
On Sunday night, as Congress took up debate on her case, her father
told reporters that she responded to his teasing by making a face at
him. "It tells us she's still with us," he said.
But in Schiavo's condition, described as a persistent vegetative
state, family members can be deceived by things like eye movements and
reflexes, experts say.
"It creates this ironic combination of wakefulness without awareness,"
said Dr. James Bernat, a neurology professor at Dartmouth Medical
School.
That's because in a persistent vegetative state, the brain centers
that control wakefulness are functioning, but those that permit
conscious awareness of oneself or the environment are damaged or
destroyed.
As a result, patients close their eyes to sleep and open them when
they wake up. If a doctor brushes the eyeball with a wisp of cotton,
they may blink. If something gets caught in the throat, they will
cough. There may be limited eye movements, though patients can't
follow a person walking from one side of the room to another, for
example.
That's in contrast to a coma, in which the eyes remain closed and a
person is neither aware nor awake, or brain death, in which there is
no sign at all that the brain is functioning.
Bernat, past chairman of the American Academy of Neurology (news - web
sites)'s Ethics, Law and Humanities Committee, declined to comment
specifically on the Schiavo case. He said outward signs of persistent
vegetative state can give family members false hope.
"There's a normal tendency of family members to interpret (random)
movements as evidence of awareness," said Bernat, who recalled seeing
that happen with his own patients.
He said that when family members claim that a loved one in a
persistent vegetative state is purposefully looking at them, he asks
to accompany them to the bedside and see for himself. Sometimes, in
fact, family members really have noticed genuine signs of
consciousness and investigation shows the diagnosis was incorrect, he
said. But in his experience, Bernat said, most of the time the family
has been wrong.
Nobody can enter a patient's mind and discover what that person is
experiencing, he noted. Doctors can only say that despite what family
members might believe, "to the best of our ability we cannot convince
ourselves there is any evidence of awareness," Bernat said. Doctors
try to help the family understand how it's possible to be awake but
not aware, he said.
Patients can recover after even a year or two in a persistent
vegetative state caused by head trauma, Bernat said, although they
generally continue to be disabled. However, he said a vegetative state
that was caused by lack of blood or oxygen delivery to the brain and
has gone on more than five years is considered permanent.
Schiavo, 41, has been at the center of a long and bitter court battle
between her parents and her husband, who wants to remove her feeding
tube so she can die.
Court-appointed doctors say Schiavo is in a persistent vegetative
state, after her heart stopped beating temporarily 15 years ago,
cutting off oxygen to her brain. She did not leave any written
instructions about care, but her husband, Michael Schiavo, contends
she told him that she would not want to be kept alive artificially.
Her parents dispute that, and deny their daughter is in a vegetative
state.
Video showing the dark-haired woman appearing to interact with her
family has been televised nationally. But a court-appointed doctor has
said the noises and facial expressions are merely reflexes.
In caring for a person in a this condition, doctors are guided by what
the patient would have wanted, Bernat said. Some have indicated they
want to be treated while others have said they want to be left to die,
he said.
Usually patients can breathe without a ventilator. As in the Schiavo
case, long-term care involves a feeding tube to deliver fluids and
food to the stomach. If family members ask to stop treatment, the tube
is removed or medical teams are instructed not to treat infections,
Bernat said.
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24 Mar 2005 01:22:30 PM |
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On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 10:12:42 -0600, CB <country2000@hotmail.com> sez
the following funny stuff:
Hopefully, the DA will conduct a criminal investigation as soon as she dies
and before she is cremated. I believe scumbag is afraid of what an autopsy
might show.
So do I, CB - so do I.
And I hope that slimeball gets EVERYTHING HE DESERVES - along with
that crooked judge.
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24 Mar 2005 02:04:37 PM |
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Doc: The absent-minded-professor! wrote:
On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 10:12:42 -0600, CB <country2000@hotmail.com> sez
the following funny stuff:
Hopefully, the DA will conduct a criminal investigation as soon as she dies
and before she is cremated. I believe scumbag is afraid of what an autopsy
might show.
So do I, CB - so do I.
And I hope that slimeball gets EVERYTHING HE DESERVES - along with
that crooked judge.
the question is not if the wild rumors about the man are true, the
question is what did the woman want for herself
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Sam
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| User: "CB" |
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24 Mar 2005 03:10:32 PM |
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On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 20:04:37 GMT, Sam <srcarruth@yahoo.NO.SPAM.com> wrote:
Doc: The absent-minded-professor! wrote:
On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 10:12:42 -0600, CB <country2000@hotmail.com> sez
the following funny stuff:
Hopefully, the DA will conduct a criminal investigation as soon as she dies
and before she is cremated. I believe scumbag is afraid of what an autopsy
might show.
So do I, CB - so do I.
And I hope that slimeball gets EVERYTHING HE DESERVES - along with
that crooked judge.
the question is not if the wild rumors about the man are true, the
question is what did the woman want for herself
So you believe hearsay, huh?
"Life may not be the party we hoped for, but while we are here we might as well dance."
Author Unknown
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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24 Mar 2005 03:55:23 PM |
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On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 15:10:32 -0600, CB <country2000@hotmail.com>
drained his beer, leaned back in the alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly
proclaimed the following
So you believe hearsay, huh?
Five different people testified that Terri stated a desire not to be
keep alive under these circumstances.
Are they all in on it? All the various judges, up to and including
the SCOTUS?
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Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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| User: "CB" |
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24 Mar 2005 05:35:02 PM |
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On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 21:55:23 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 15:10:32 -0600, CB <country2000@hotmail.com>
drained his beer, leaned back in the alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly
proclaimed the following
So you believe hearsay, huh?
Five different people testified that Terri stated a desire not to be
keep alive under these circumstances.
Are they all in on it? All the various judges, up to and including
the SCOTUS?
Oh, Terri told the judge that? When? the day before she was attacked?
I believe Terri's family and I don't mean her scumbag husband.
"Life may not be the party we hoped for, but while we are here we might as well dance."
Author Unknown
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| User: "Bible Studies with Satan" |
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24 Mar 2005 06:05:48 PM |
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CB wrote:
On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 21:55:23 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 15:10:32 -0600, CB <country2000@hotmail.com>
drained his beer, leaned back in the alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly
proclaimed the following
So you believe hearsay, huh?
Five different people testified that Terri stated a desire not to be
keep alive under these circumstances.
Are they all in on it? All the various judges, up to and including
the SCOTUS?
Oh, Terri told the judge that? When? the day before she was attacked?
I believe Terri's family and I don't mean her scumbag husband.
CB -- He's one of Mine.
"Life may not be the party we hoped for, but while we are here we might as
well dance." Author Unknown
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| User: "John Baker" |
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25 Mar 2005 02:11:17 AM |
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On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 00:05:48 GMT, Bible Studies with Satan
<church@state.org> wrote:
CB wrote:
On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 21:55:23 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 15:10:32 -0600, CB <country2000@hotmail.com>
drained his beer, leaned back in the alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly
proclaimed the following
So you believe hearsay, huh?
Five different people testified that Terri stated a desire not to be
keep alive under these circumstances.
Are they all in on it? All the various judges, up to and including
the SCOTUS?
Oh, Terri told the judge that? When? the day before she was attacked?
I believe Terri's family and I don't mean her scumbag husband.
CB -- He's one of Mine.
Then I truly feel sorry for you.
"Life may not be the party we hoped for, but while we are here we might as
well dance." Author Unknown
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| User: "Paul Duca" |
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25 Mar 2005 02:51:46 AM |
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in article ejj641h72s6gj1qheh5mog266a3fej1ktp@4ax.com, CB at
country2000@hotmail.com wrote on 3/24/05 6:35 PM:
On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 21:55:23 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 15:10:32 -0600, CB <country2000@hotmail.com>
drained his beer, leaned back in the alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly
proclaimed the following
So you believe hearsay, huh?
Five different people testified that Terri stated a desire not to be
keep alive under these circumstances.
Are they all in on it? All the various judges, up to and including
the SCOTUS?
Oh, Terri told the judge that? When? the day before she was attacked?
I believe Terri's family and I don't mean her scumbag husband.
She's still insolulably Catholic married to him....
Paul
Presumably if the Schiavos were Protestant, they could have gotten
her a divorce without the husband signing off on it.
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| User: "Paul Duca" |
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25 Mar 2005 02:41:22 AM |
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in article 7n464112vm5iabalv60937r4k54c3kub0g@4ax.com, Doc: The
absent-minded-professor! at wrote on 3/24/05 2:22 PM:
On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 10:12:42 -0600, CB <country2000@hotmail.com> sez
the following funny stuff:
Hopefully, the DA will conduct a criminal investigation as soon as she dies
and before she is cremated. I believe scumbag is afraid of what an autopsy
might show.
So do I, CB - so do I.
And in Heaven, CB and Doc can fight it out over who Teri can have as
her husband.
Paul
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| User: "Doc: The absent-minded-professor!" |
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24 Mar 2005 09:28:27 AM |
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On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 12:32:07 -0600, CB <country2000@hotmail.com> sez
the following funny stuff:
The judicial system is out of control.
AGREED.
Criminals who SHOULD be removed from society for their own and
society's good usually are not.......... yet Terri is condemned to a
slow, tortuous death at the hands of a mamnipulative former 'husband'
and a 'judge' who thinks nothing of the sanctity of a life.
That poor woman might as well be in Iran or Afghanistan, where women
are treated as mere flotsam and murdered at their 'husbands'
discretion.
They think they are some kind of gods.
They try to make law like some kind of super legislature instead of
interpreting law.
Now that the precedent has been st, CB----- it's just a matter of time
..... more needless murders will no doubt take place.
I can just picture it:
Have a stroke, and if you recover on your own, you'll be 'allowed' to
live.
Be paralyzed on one side, and you'll be forced to die........
Can't you just imagine the new laws that could result from this
needless torture:
"Surgery wil no longer be allowed. To consider having anything removed
would make the person less a person, and not fit to keep breating...
kill the patient...." It makes about as much 'sense' -- for lack of a
better word.
I hope you never find yourself in the Schlinders position.
But you would probabaly want to kill your kid rather than treat her.
Can you tell me when was the last time Terri had any rehabilitation?
Why not? Many doctors have sworn that she could improve with rehabilitation.
According to staff reports, Terri was apparently DENIED any thanks to
that bas---- of a so-called 'husband'.
Let me see: a baby cannot feed himself unless someone sticks a bottle in his
mouth. You think the mother should just let the baby die?
That will most likely be the next law put into effect.
"All babies born who are incapable of preparing their own meals,
chewing and swallowing their own food will be left to starve to
death......."
Yet --- amazingly, there are some individuals who are content to sit
on welfare, refusing to seek any employment, because they're too darn
lazy to work... and the government pays everything for them.
This is not a slight against those legitimately NEEDING welfare- but
the lazy ones who flatly refuse to help themselves to lead an honest
life and living....
This world is swiftly going all to hell in a handbasket. :o(
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| User: "CB" |
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24 Mar 2005 10:15:05 AM |
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On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 10:28:27 -0500, "Doc: The absent-minded-professor!"
<Doc@Watson.yup> wrote:
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 12:32:07 -0600, CB <country2000@hotmail.com> sez
the following funny stuff:
The judicial system is out of control.
AGREED.
Criminals who SHOULD be removed from society for their own and
society's good usually are not.......... yet Terri is condemned to a
slow, tortuous death at the hands of a mamnipulative former 'husband'
and a 'judge' who thinks nothing of the sanctity of a life.
That poor woman might as well be in Iran or Afghanistan, where women
are treated as mere flotsam and murdered at their 'husbands'
discretion.
They think they are some kind of gods.
They try to make law like some kind of super legislature instead of
interpreting law.
Now that the precedent has been st, CB----- it's just a matter of time
.... more needless murders will no doubt take place.
I know a few that could take into consideration.
judge greer is a vegetable IMO and should have his feeding tube pulled becasue
he contributes nothing to society.
The same is true with scumbag schiavo.
I can just picture it:
Have a stroke, and if you recover on your own, you'll be 'allowed' to
live.
Be paralyzed on one side, and you'll be forced to die........
Can't you just imagine the new laws that could result from this
needless torture:
"Surgery wil no longer be allowed. To consider having anything removed
would make the person less a person, and not fit to keep breating...
kill the patient...." It makes about as much 'sense' -- for lack of a
better word.
I hope you never find yourself in the Schlinders position.
But you would probabaly want to kill your kid rather than treat her.
Can you tell me when was the last time Terri had any rehabilitation?
Why not? Many doctors have sworn that she could improve with rehabilitation.
According to staff reports, Terri was apparently DENIED any thanks to
that bas---- of a so-called 'husband'.
Let me see: a baby cannot feed himself unless someone sticks a bottle in his
mouth. You think the mother should just let the baby die?
That will most likely be the next law put into effect.
"All babies born who are incapable of preparing their own meals,
chewing and swallowing their own food will be left to starve to
death......."
Yet --- amazingly, there are some individuals who are content to sit
on welfare, refusing to seek any employment, because they're too darn
lazy to work... and the government pays everything for them.
This is not a slight against those legitimately NEEDING welfare- but
the lazy ones who flatly refuse to help themselves to lead an honest
life and living....
This world is swiftly going all to hell in a handbasket. :o(
"Life may not be the party we hoped for, but while we are here we might as well dance."
Author Unknown
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| User: "Doc: The absent-minded-professor!" |
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24 Mar 2005 01:37:42 PM |
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On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 10:15:05 -0600, CB <country2000@hotmail.com> sez
the following funny stuff:
I know a few that could take into consideration.
judge greer is a vegetable IMO and should have his feeding tube pulled becasue
he contributes nothing to society.
The same is true with scumbag schiavo.
I gather you must mean the so-called 'husband' !!
But let's face it- according to another individual in here who insists
Terri should die, because 'the feeding tube is not natural'..........
and he also insists that if she cannot feed herself, then he wonders
who is going to pay someone TO feed her, change her diapers, change
her catheters and catheter drainage bags, etc...........
I could have answered the creep, but preferred to ignore him.
It never ceases to amze me, the audacity of his comments, and all the
while, he claims to be a 'CHRISTIAN'.....
Perhaps a survery should be conducted, with the following new rules,
according to his form of sadistic legislature if he had his own way:
1.
Got false teeth?
Well, RIP 'em out, and NO MORE FOOD for anyone with dentures.
They aren't 'natural' ...
2.
Got a hearing aid?
Remove it. If you can't hear on your own, then you're not entitled to
the privilege of hearing anything, since use of a hearing aid is 'not
natural'...
3.
A lot of people are still in existence with artificial hip joints.
These people need to be exterminated immediately, since they are not
walking normally, and the hip joint is 'not natural'...
4.
People with urostomies and / or colostomies are not defecating or
passing urine naturally. Destroy them....... it's 'not natural'...
5.
ALL people with prosthetic limbs will have them removed, and be
exterminated because using such things is 'not natural'.......
6.
And what's this I've been hearing about people who wear glasses?
Unacceptable!
Get rid of them too!!! If they cannot see well enough on their own,
then they don't deserve to see anything.... after all, it's 'not
natural'..... according to Don.
Well, I've got news for Don.
He is FULL OF IT.
and let's face it- being constipated is not 'natural'...... so I shall
also refuse to give him any laxatives. Let him either poop properly,
or not have the privilege of pooping, period.
Sounds crazy, I know- but the insane comments he came out with are so
ridiculous, I sinply had to say something concerning it, but I wil not
talk further to him.
I'm totally disgusted with him.
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24 Mar 2005 03:12:30 PM |
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On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 14:37:42 -0500, "Doc: The absent-minded-professor!"
<Doc@Watson.yup> wrote:
On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 10:15:05 -0600, CB <country2000@hotmail.com> sez
the following funny stuff:
I know a few that could take into consideration.
judge greer is a vegetable IMO and should have his feeding tube pulled becasue
he contributes nothing to society.
The same is true with scumbag schiavo.
I gather you must mean the so-called 'husband' !!
yes. "scumbag" is more appropriate than michael.
But let's face it- according to another individual in here who insists
Terri should die, because 'the feeding tube is not natural'..........
and he also insists that if she cannot feed herself, then he wonders
who is going to pay someone TO feed her, change her diapers, change
her catheters and catheter drainage bags, etc...........
I could have answered the creep, but preferred to ignore him.
It never ceases to amze me, the audacity of his comments, and all the
while, he claims to be a 'CHRISTIAN'.....
just like larry, he wants to find fault.
reminds me of alan colmes.
Perhaps a survery should be conducted, with the following new rules,
according to his form of sadistic legislature if he had his own way:
1.
Got false teeth?
Well, RIP 'em out, and NO MORE FOOD for anyone with dentures.
They aren't 'natural' ...
2.
Got a hearing aid?
Remove it. If you can't hear on your own, then you're not entitled to
the privilege of hearing anything, since use of a hearing aid is 'not
natural'...
3.
A lot of people are still in existence with artificial hip joints.
These people need to be exterminated immediately, since they are not
walking normally, and the hip joint is 'not natural'...
4.
People with urostomies and / or colostomies are not defecating or
passing urine naturally. Destroy them....... it's 'not natural'...
5.
ALL people with prosthetic limbs will have them removed, and be
exterminated because using such things is 'not natural'.......
6.
And what's this I've been hearing about people who wear glasses?
Unacceptable!
Get rid of them too!!! If they cannot see well enough on their own,
then they don't deserve to see anything.... after all, it's 'not
natural'..... according to Don.
Well, I've got news for Don.
He is FULL OF IT.
and let's face it- being constipated is not 'natural'...... so I shall
also refuse to give him any laxatives. Let him either poop properly,
or not have the privilege of pooping, period.
Sounds crazy, I know- but the insane comments he came out with are so
ridiculous, I sinply had to say something concerning it, but I wil not
talk further to him.
I'm totally disgusted with him.
"Life may not be the party we hoped for, but while we are here we might as well dance."
Author Unknown
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23 Mar 2005 10:53:52 PM |
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in article s1d341l5oj5u3ko3kiia5ie4t911ac7j8l@4ax.com, CB at
country2000@hotmail.com wrote on 3/23/05 1:32 PM:
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 17:54:27 +0000 (UTC), (Cary
Kittrell) wrote:
In article <ev9341dkvr7fpftapjtmq0jcrc5ol369cj@4ax.com> CB
<country2000@hotmail.com> writes:
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 16:33:24 +0000 (UTC), (Cary
Kittrell) wrote:
In article<auq041lg92jvv3lq08n0pn1gkgc93bb1c2@4ax.com>
<country2000@hotmail.com> writes:
On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 13:55:36 -0500, "Doc: The absent-minded-professor!"
<Doc@Watson.yup> wrote:
On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 17:36:15 -0500, El Kabong <poki_pongo at yahoo dot
com> sez the following funny stuff:
But a court-appointed doctor has
said the noises and facial expressions are merely reflexes.
Where did that so-called 'kjudge' get his medical degree to make such
a diagnostic reference?
I think it's called "insurance money".
I believe greer was paid off.
This case has been heard by 19 judges in six courts. The
Supreme Court has refused to hear it three times.
That's an awful lot of payoffs, CB.
I said "greer".
You did indeed. Which hardly explains the consistent rulings
against the parents' case involving the 18 other judges
and five other courts. You think Greer had to be paid
to agree with what one and one half dozen other judges
had held?
In actuality, no.
I do think he is no better than a murderer.
Nevertheless, Terri has never been represented in court.
Only her scumbag husband has been represented.
I beg your pardon? Terri has not been represented?
By my informal count, the Schindlers have either
taken part in trial or have filed motions on
fifteen completely sepearate and individual occasions;
these motions have resulted in over twenty-five
rulings by various courts.
How is this "not represented"?
I see you have not been keeping up.
Or are you just another of those who want her dead?
Question: Why doesn't scumbag just give custody to her parents?
And that's ignoring, of course, legislative and/or
judicial attempts at intervention by the Florida
Department of Children and Family, the Florida
State Legislature, the Governor of Florida, and the
United States Congress. Every one of these attempted
interventions on Terri's behalf was brought before
a judge. How is all this a failure of judicial representation?
The judicial system is out of control.
They think they are some kind of gods.
They try to make law like some kind of super legislature instead of
interpreting law.
I hope you never find yourself in the Schlinders position.
But you would probabaly want to kill your kid rather than treat her.
Can you tell me when was the last time Terri had any rehabilitation?
Why not? Many doctors have sworn that she could improve with rehabilitation.
Let me see: a baby cannot feed himself unless someone sticks a bottle in his
mouth. You think the mother should just let the baby die?
I'm glad I don't know you!
Try to keep up with what's going on in the world and turn off your dan blather
news.
CB, it's even less likely you can ***** Teri Protestant than you can
***** Ninure straight.
Paul
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| User: "Doc: The absent-minded-professor!" |
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| Title: Re: Vegetative State Can Give Kin False Hope |
24 Mar 2005 09:05:27 AM |
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On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 11:32:36 -0600, CB <country2000@hotmail.com> sez
the following funny stuff:
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 16:33:24 +0000 (UTC), (Cary
Kittrell) wrote:
That's an awful lot of payoffs, CB.
I said "greer".
Nevertheless, Terri has never been represented in court.
Only her scumbag husband has been represented.
-- cary
Yep- Terri cannot speak for herself, so the idiots lording it over her
sentenced her to die a slow, tortuous death.
I cannot think of anything disgusting enough to call those loathsome
swine.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Vegetative State Can Give Kin False Hope |
24 Mar 2005 07:18:05 PM |
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On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 10:05:27 -0500, "Doc: The
absent-minded-professor!" <Doc@Watson.yup> wrote:
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 11:32:36 -0600, CB <country2000@hotmail.com> sez
the following funny stuff:
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 16:33:24 +0000 (UTC), (Cary
Kittrell) wrote:
That's an awful lot of payoffs, CB.
I said "greer".
Nevertheless, Terri has never been represented in court.
Only her scumbag husband has been represented.
-- cary
Yep- Terri cannot speak for herself, so the idiots lording it over her
sentenced her to die a slow, tortuous death.
I cannot think of anything disgusting enough to call those loathsome
swine.
And you call this showing Christian love Elaine?
I do not care to see Terri die either. I do not care to see anyone
die. But in my opinion, the courts, congress, even the president
should have stayed out of this. This is between Terri and her husband.
She married him, and they became one. He claims she does not want to
be kept alive that way. We have no way of knowing this for sure, since
there is no living will. But he is her husband. And no matter how much
of a lowlife you think he is, and no matter how wrong you think he is,
that will not change. He is the one that will have to answer for this
when he stands in front of the judgment throne. All we can do is pray
to God, that HIS will, will be done.
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| User: "ujb" |
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| Title: Re: Vegetative State Can Give Kin False Hope |
25 Mar 2005 07:00:52 AM |
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wrote:
On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 10:05:27 -0500, "Doc: The
absent-minded-professor!" <Doc@Watson.yup> wrote:
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 11:32:36 -0600, CB <country2000@hotmail.com> sez
the following funny stuff:
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 16:33:24 +0000 (UTC), (Cary
Kittrell) wrote:
That's an awful lot of payoffs, CB.
I said "greer".
Nevertheless, Terri has never been represented in court.
Only her scumbag husband has been represented.
-- cary
Yep- Terri cannot speak for herself, so the idiots lording it over her
sentenced her to die a slow, tortuous death.
I cannot think of anything disgusting enough to call those loathsome
swine.
And you call this showing Christian love Elaine?
I do not care to see Terri die either. I do not care to see anyone
die. But in my opinion, the courts, congress, even the president
should have stayed out of this. This is between Terri and her husband.
She married him, and they became one. He claims she does not want to
be kept alive that way. We have no way of knowing this for sure, since
there is no living will. But he is her husband. And no matter how much
of a lowlife you think he is, and no matter how wrong you think he is,
that will not change. He is the one that will have to answer for this
when he stands in front of the judgment throne. All we can do is pray
to God, that HIS will, will be done.
I think that answered it Larry, no living will! Her husband is openly
living in sin for his pleasure, why do you think he'd not put her down
for his pleasure?
ujb
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: Vegetative State Can Give Kin False Hope |
25 Mar 2005 07:22:38 AM |
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"ujb" <ujb@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
news:42440B84.3C7F8B3@bigfoot.com...
larry4355@adelphia.net wrote:
On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 10:05:27 -0500, "Doc: The
absent-minded-professor!" <Doc@Watson.yup> wrote:
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 11:32:36 -0600, CB <country2000@hotmail.com> sez
the following funny stuff:
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 16:33:24 +0000 (UTC),
(Cary
Kittrell) wrote:
That's an awful lot of payoffs, CB.
I said "greer".
Nevertheless, Terri has never been represented in court.
Only her scumbag husband has been represented.
-- cary
Yep- Terri cannot speak for herself, so the idiots lording it over her
sentenced her to die a slow, tortuous death.
I cannot think of anything disgusting enough to call those loathsome
swine.
And you call this showing Christian love Elaine?
I do not care to see Terri die either. I do not care to see anyone
die. But in my opinion, the courts, congress, even the president
should have stayed out of this. This is between Terri and her husband.
She married him, and they became one. He claims she does not want to
be kept alive that way. We have no way of knowing this for sure, since
there is no living will. But he is her husband. And no matter how much
of a lowlife you think he is, and no matter how wrong you think he is,
that will not change. He is the one that will have to answer for this
when he stands in front of the judgment throne. All we can do is pray
to God, that HIS will, will be done.
I think that answered it Larry, no living will! Her husband is openly
living in sin for his pleasure, why do you think he'd not put her down
for his pleasure?
What makes you think that's what he's doing?
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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| User: "Doc: The absent-minded-professor!" |
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| Title: Re: Vegetative State Can Give Kin False Hope |
25 Mar 2005 11:31:11 AM |
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On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 08:22:38 -0500, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> sez the following funny stuff:
What makes you think that's what he's doing?
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P'raps you should do some reading on what that scum hgas been doing to
PREVENT her from receiving ANY medical interventions over these last
15 years?????
A simple Copernic search under TERRI SCHIAVO will give you loads of
information.
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| User: "Doc: The absent-minded-professor!" |
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| Title: Re: Vegetative State Can Give Kin False Hope |
25 Mar 2005 11:29:47 AM |
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On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 08:00:52 -0500, ujb <ujb@bigfoot.com> sez the
following funny stuff:
larry4355@adelphia.net wrote the following holier-than-thou diatribe:
This is between Terri and her husband.
She married him, and they became one. He claims she does not want to
be kept alive that way. We have no way of knowing this for sure, since
there is no living will. But he is her husband. And no matter how much
of a lowlife you think he is, and no matter how wrong you think he is,
that will not change. He is the one that will have to answer for this
when he stands in front of the judgment throne. All we can do is pray
to God, that HIS will, will be done.
I think that answered it Larry, no living will! Her husband is openly
living in sin for his pleasure, why do you think he'd not put her down
for his pleasure?
ujb
yupper- and I also wonder WHY the crud 'demands that Terri be CREMATED
immediately after her death'..... seems to me he has a LOT to hide,
and he hopes cremation will let him off the hook ???
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Vegetative State Can Give Kin False Hope |
25 Mar 2005 12:25:49 PM |
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On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 12:29:47 -0500, "Doc: The
absent-minded-professor!" <Doc@Watson.yup> wrote:
On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 08:00:52 -0500, ujb <ujb@bigfoot.com> sez the
following funny stuff:
larry4355@adelphia.net wrote the following holier-than-thou diatribe:
This is between Terri and her husband.
She married him, and they became one. He claims she does not want to
be kept alive that way. We have no way of knowing this for sure, since
there is no living will. But he is her husband. And no matter how much
of a lowlife you think he is, and no matter how wrong you think he is,
that will not change. He is the one that will have to answer for this
when he stands in front of the judgment throne. All we can do is pray
to God, that HIS will, will be done.
I think that answered it Larry, no living will! Her husband is openly
living in sin for his pleasure, why do you think he'd not put her down
for his pleasure?
ujb
yupper- and I also wonder WHY the crud 'demands that Terri be CREMATED
immediately after her death'..... seems to me he has a LOT to hide,
and he hopes cremation will let him off the hook ???
You can only assume that is why Terri's husband wants that. Maybe he
just cannot take it anymore?
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| User: "ujb" |
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| Title: Re: Vegetative State Can Give Kin False Hope |
25 Mar 2005 07:59:13 PM |
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wrote:
On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 12:29:47 -0500, "Doc: The
absent-minded-professor!" <Doc@Watson.yup> wrote:
On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 08:00:52 -0500, ujb <ujb@bigfoot.com> sez the
following funny stuff:
wrote the following holier-than-thou diatribe:
This is between Terri and her husband.
She married him, and they became one. He claims she does not want to
be kept alive that way. We have no way of knowing this for sure, since
there is no living will. But he is her husband. And no matter how much
of a lowlife you think he is, and no matter how wrong you think he is,
that will not change. He is the one that will have to answer for this
when he stands in front of the judgment throne. All we can do is pray
to God, that HIS will, will be done.
I think that answered it Larry, no living will! Her husband is openly
living in sin for his pleasure, why do you think he'd not put her down
for his pleasure?
ujb
yupper- and I also wonder WHY the crud 'demands that Terri be CREMATED
immediately after her death'..... seems to me he has a LOT to hide,
and he hopes cremation will let him off the hook ???
You can only assume that is why Terri's husband wants that. Maybe he
just cannot take it anymore?
That happens an awful lot, and the remedy is walking away, not putting
her down for convenience. If he was to walk away others have said they
will shoulder the burden of her care.
ujb
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Vegetative State Can Give Kin False Hope |
25 Mar 2005 09:26:26 PM |
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On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 20:59:13 -0500, ujb <ujb@bigfoot.com> done went
and wrote as Gospel Truth in these here little old Usenet News'FROUPS:
That happens an awful lot, and the remedy is walking away, not putting
her down for convenience. If he was to walk away others have said they
will shoulder the burden of her care.
ujb
exactly............... like her immediate family.
And most certainly, they would mean more to her than an estranged
'husband' wo has been shacked up with another woman for the past ten
years, and asking about Terri, "When will that ***** die".......
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JESUS IS THE ROCK
God doesn't call the qualified; He qualifies the called
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| User: "Sam" |
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| Title: Re: Vegetative State Can Give Kin False Hope |
25 Mar 2005 11:27:25 PM |
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wrote:
On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 20:59:13 -0500, ujb <ujb@bigfoot.com> done went
and wrote as Gospel Truth in these here little old Usenet News'FROUPS:
That happens an awful lot, and the remedy is walking away, not putting
her down for convenience. If he was to walk away others have said they
will shoulder the burden of her care.
ujb
exactly............... like her immediate family.
And most certainly, they would mean more to her than an estranged
'husband' wo has been shacked up with another woman for the past ten
years, and asking about Terri, "When will that ***** die".......
but her family seems intent on not following her wishes in regard to her
life and health
--
Sam
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| User: "Doc: The absent-minded-professor!" |
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| Title: Re: Vegetative State Can Give Kin False Hope |
26 Mar 2005 12:41:51 PM |
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On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 05:27:25 GMT, Sam <srcarruth@yahoo.NO.SPAM.com>
sez the following funny stuff:
but her family seems intent on not following her wishes in regard to her
life and health
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All indication was that she WANTED to go on lioving, albeit in her
limited capacity though, Sam - she was shown on TV trying to answer
them when they asked if she preferred to live or die. She looked so
terrified, most lkely knowing she cannot answer properly- but God only
knows she TRIED.
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| User: "MsAnthrope" |
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| Title: Re: Vegetative State Can Give Kin False Hope |
26 Mar 2005 01:59:51 PM |
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On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 13:41:51 -0500, "Doc: The
absent-minded-professor!" <Doc@Watson.yup> wrote:
On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 05:27:25 GMT, Sam <srcarruth@yahoo.NO.SPAM.com>
sez the following funny stuff:
but her family seems intent on not following her wishes in regard to her
life and health
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All indication was that she WANTED to go on lioving, albeit in her
limited capacity though, Sam - she was shown on TV trying to answer
them when they asked if she preferred to live or die. She looked so
terrified, most lkely knowing she cannot answer properly
Or maybe it was just gas.
--
MsAnthrope
http://web.newsguy.com/rubyred
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| User: "Doc: The absent-minded-professor!" |
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| Title: Re: Vegetative State Can Give Kin False Hope |
27 Mar 2005 11:37:05 AM |
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On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 11:59:51 -0800, MsAnthrope <ms@nthr.ope> sez the
following funny stuff:
you tihnk you're sooooooo comical, huh?
I just hope and pray YOU never end up like poor Terri.
How anyone could make fun of her like this is beyond all reason, and
only proves what you are.....
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| User: "MsAnthrope" |
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| Title: Re: Vegetative State Can Give Kin False Hope |
27 Mar 2005 12:28:37 PM |
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On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 12:37:05 -0500, "Doc: The
absent-minded-professor!" <Doc@Watson.yup> wrote:
On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 11:59:51 -0800, MsAnthrope <ms@nthr.ope> sez the
following funny stuff:
you tihnk you're sooooooo comical, huh?
I just hope and pray YOU never end up like poor Terri.
How anyone could make fun of her like this is beyond all reason, and
only proves what you are.....
....a misanthrope?
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MsAnthrope
http://web.newsguy.com/rubyred
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Vegetative State Can Give Kin False Hope |
27 Mar 2005 03:22:05 PM |
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On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 12:37:05 -0500, "Doc: The
absent-minded-professor!" <Doc@Watson.yup> wrote:
On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 11:59:51 -0800, MsAnthrope <ms@nthr.ope> sez the
following funny stuff:
you tihnk you're sooooooo comical, huh?
I just hope and pray YOU never end up like poor Terri.
How anyone could make fun of her like this is beyond all reason, and
only proves what you are.....
Reason and drooling fuckwits like you and the rest of the braying
Congressional and Rethugnican asswipes have never met. What you
cocksuckers are doing is making fun of the poor dead lady. :\
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "Paul Duca" |
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| Title: Re: Vegetative State Can Give Kin False Hope |
27 Mar 2005 08:15:17 PM |
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in article pord4193j3ckso40b41ipk32702709nb7t@4ax.com, Doc: The
absent-minded-professor! at wrote on 3/27/05 12:37 PM:
On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 11:59:51 -0800, MsAnthrope <ms@nthr.ope> sez the
following funny stuff:
you tihnk you're sooooooo comical, huh?
I just hope and pray YOU never end up like poor Terri.
But if you do, Doc will laff HIS ***** off over it.
Paul
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