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Vegetative State Can Give Kin False Hope |
Video showing the dark-haired woman appearing to interact with her
family has been televised nationally. But a court-appointed doctor has
said the noises and facial expressions are merely reflexes.
But in Schiavo's condition, described as a persistent vegetative
state, family members can be deceived by things like eye movements and
reflexes, experts say.
"It creates this ironic combination of wakefulness without awareness,"
said Dr. James Bernat, a neurology professor at Dartmouth Medical
School.
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=534&e=5&u=/ap/20050321/ap_on_he_me/brain_damaged_woman_condition
Vegetative State Can Give Kin False Hope
By MALCOLM RITTER, AP Science Writer
NEW YORK - In the family video played over and over on TV, Terri
Schiavo seems to gaze fondly at her mother, with the hint of a smile.
On Sunday night, as Congress took up debate on her case, her father
told reporters that she responded to his teasing by making a face at
him. "It tells us she's still with us," he said.
But in Schiavo's condition, described as a persistent vegetative
state, family members can be deceived by things like eye movements and
reflexes, experts say.
"It creates this ironic combination of wakefulness without awareness,"
said Dr. James Bernat, a neurology professor at Dartmouth Medical
School.
That's because in a persistent vegetative state, the brain centers
that control wakefulness are functioning, but those that permit
conscious awareness of oneself or the environment are damaged or
destroyed.
As a result, patients close their eyes to sleep and open them when
they wake up. If a doctor brushes the eyeball with a wisp of cotton,
they may blink. If something gets caught in the throat, they will
cough. There may be limited eye movements, though patients can't
follow a person walking from one side of the room to another, for
example.
That's in contrast to a coma, in which the eyes remain closed and a
person is neither aware nor awake, or brain death, in which there is
no sign at all that the brain is functioning.
Bernat, past chairman of the American Academy of Neurology (news - web
sites)'s Ethics, Law and Humanities Committee, declined to comment
specifically on the Schiavo case. He said outward signs of persistent
vegetative state can give family members false hope.
"There's a normal tendency of family members to interpret (random)
movements as evidence of awareness," said Bernat, who recalled seeing
that happen with his own patients.
He said that when family members claim that a loved one in a
persistent vegetative state is purposefully looking at them, he asks
to accompany them to the bedside and see for himself. Sometimes, in
fact, family members really have noticed genuine signs of
consciousness and investigation shows the diagnosis was incorrect, he
said. But in his experience, Bernat said, most of the time the family
has been wrong.
Nobody can enter a patient's mind and discover what that person is
experiencing, he noted. Doctors can only say that despite what family
members might believe, "to the best of our ability we cannot convince
ourselves there is any evidence of awareness," Bernat said. Doctors
try to help the family understand how it's possible to be awake but
not aware, he said.
Patients can recover after even a year or two in a persistent
vegetative state caused by head trauma, Bernat said, although they
generally continue to be disabled. However, he said a vegetative state
that was caused by lack of blood or oxygen delivery to the brain and
has gone on more than five years is considered permanent.
Schiavo, 41, has been at the center of a long and bitter court battle
between her parents and her husband, who wants to remove her feeding
tube so she can die.
Court-appointed doctors say Schiavo is in a persistent vegetative
state, after her heart stopped beating temporarily 15 years ago,
cutting off oxygen to her brain. She did not leave any written
instructions about care, but her husband, Michael Schiavo, contends
she told him that she would not want to be kept alive artificially.
Her parents dispute that, and deny their daughter is in a vegetative
state.
Video showing the dark-haired woman appearing to interact with her
family has been televised nationally. But a court-appointed doctor has
said the noises and facial expressions are merely reflexes.
In caring for a person in a this condition, doctors are guided by what
the patient would have wanted, Bernat said. Some have indicated they
want to be treated while others have said they want to be left to die,
he said.
Usually patients can breathe without a ventilator. As in the Schiavo
case, long-term care involves a feeding tube to deliver fluids and
food to the stomach. If family members ask to stop treatment, the tube
is removed or medical teams are instructed not to treat infections,
Bernat said.
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29 Mar 2005 10:04:44 AM |
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On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 21:15:17 -0500, Paul Duca <p.duca@comcast.net>
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in article pord4193j3ckso40b41ipk32702709nb7t@4ax.com, Doc: The
absent-minded-professor! at wrote on 3/27/05 12:37 PM:
On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 11:59:51 -0800, MsAnthrope <ms@nthr.ope> sez the
following funny stuff:
you tihnk you're sooooooo comical, huh?
I just hope and pray YOU never end up like poor Terri.
But if you do, Doc will laff HIS ***** off over it.
Chris Assaf is all sphincter.
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Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "Doc: The absent-minded-professor!" |
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26 Mar 2005 12:40:00 PM |
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On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 20:59:13 -0500, ujb <ujb@bigfoot.com> sez the
following funny stuff:
That happens an awful lot, and the remedy is walking away, not putting
her down for convenience. If he was to walk away others have said they
will shoulder the burden of her care.
ujb
well, he DID walk away- and shacked up with another woman, having two
kids by him - so he HAS walked away from Terri. WHY the law still
considers that scumbucket her legal husband still, it's beyond me.
Is not the statute of limitations seven years in the USA like it is in
Canada ??
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26 Mar 2005 02:15:09 PM |
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"Doc: The absent-minded-professor!" <Doc@Watson.yup> wrote in message
news:t1bb41149ifuod15no4bcf0drhjmt14fm3@4ax.com...
On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 20:59:13 -0500, ujb <ujb@bigfoot.com> sez the
following funny stuff:
That happens an awful lot, and the remedy is walking away, not putting
her down for convenience. If he was to walk away others have said they
will shoulder the burden of her care.
ujb
well, he DID walk away- and shacked up with another woman, having two
kids by him - so he HAS walked away from Terri. WHY the law still
considers that scumbucket her legal husband still, it's beyond me.
Is not the statute of limitations seven years in the USA like it is in
Canada ??
Statute of limitations on what? his marriage? Dang, is that a loophole I
wasn't aware of?
Kathy aa #1802
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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27 Mar 2005 07:21:16 AM |
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"Doc: The absent-minded-professor!" <Doc@Watson.yup> wrote in message
news:t1bb41149ifuod15no4bcf0drhjmt14fm3@4ax.com...
On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 20:59:13 -0500, ujb <ujb@bigfoot.com> sez the
following funny stuff:
That happens an awful lot, and the remedy is walking away, not putting
her down for convenience. If he was to walk away others have said they
will shoulder the burden of her care.
ujb
well, he DID walk away- and shacked up with another woman, having two
kids by him - so he HAS walked away from Terri. WHY the law still
considers that scumbucket her legal husband still, it's beyond me.
Apparently, you don't know anything about the law.
--
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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| User: "stoney" |
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27 Mar 2005 03:23:22 PM |
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On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 08:21:16 -0500, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Doc: The absent-minded-professor!" <Doc@Watson.yup> wrote in message
news:t1bb41149ifuod15no4bcf0drhjmt14fm3@4ax.com...
On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 20:59:13 -0500, ujb <ujb@bigfoot.com> sez the
following funny stuff:
That happens an awful lot, and the remedy is walking away, not putting
her down for convenience. If he was to walk away others have said they
will shoulder the burden of her care.
ujb
well, he DID walk away- and shacked up with another woman, having two
kids by him - so he HAS walked away from Terri. WHY the law still
considers that scumbucket her legal husband still, it's beyond me.
Apparently, you don't know anything about the law.
Chris Assad doesn't know the first thing about breathing, either.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "ujb" |
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26 Mar 2005 01:02:39 PM |
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"Doc: The absent-minded-professor!" wrote:
On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 20:59:13 -0500, ujb <ujb@bigfoot.com> sez the
following funny stuff:
That happens an awful lot, and the remedy is walking away, not putting
her down for convenience. If he was to walk away others have said they
will shoulder the burden of her care.
ujb
well, he DID walk away- and shacked up with another woman, having two
kids by him - so he HAS walked away from Terri. WHY the law still
considers that scumbucket her legal husband still, it's beyond me.
Is not the statute of limitations seven years in the USA like it is in
Canada ??
Don't ask me, everything I know about the law I learned from the
scrambled one! :)
ujb
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| User: "Doc: The absent-minded-professor!" |
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26 Mar 2005 01:32:13 PM |
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On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 14:02:39 -0500, ujb <ujb@bigfoot.com> sez the
following funny stuff:
Don't ask me, everything I know about the law I learned from the
scrambled one! :)
ujb
OH NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :O)
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| User: "CB" |
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25 Mar 2005 02:34:24 PM |
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On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 13:25:49 -0500, wrote:
On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 12:29:47 -0500, "Doc: The
absent-minded-professor!" <Doc@Watson.yup> wrote:
On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 08:00:52 -0500, ujb <ujb@bigfoot.com> sez the
following funny stuff:
wrote the following holier-than-thou diatribe:
This is between Terri and her husband.
She married him, and they became one. He claims she does not want to
be kept alive that way. We have no way of knowing this for sure, since
there is no living will. But he is her husband. And no matter how much
of a lowlife you think he is, and no matter how wrong you think he is,
that will not change. He is the one that will have to answer for this
when he stands in front of the judgment throne. All we can do is pray
to God, that HIS will, will be done.
I think that answered it Larry, no living will! Her husband is openly
living in sin for his pleasure, why do you think he'd not put her down
for his pleasure?
ujb
yupper- and I also wonder WHY the crud 'demands that Terri be CREMATED
immediately after her death'..... seems to me he has a LOT to hide,
and he hopes cremation will let him off the hook ???
You can only assume that is why Terri's husband wants that. Maybe he
just cannot take it anymore?
Nice dodge.
"Life may not be the party we hoped for, but while we are here we might as well dance."
Author Unknown
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| User: "" |
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25 Mar 2005 06:47:33 PM |
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On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 14:34:24 -0600, CB <country2000@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 13:25:49 -0500, wrote:
On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 12:29:47 -0500, "Doc: The
absent-minded-professor!" <Doc@Watson.yup> wrote:
On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 08:00:52 -0500, ujb <ujb@bigfoot.com> sez the
following funny stuff:
wrote the following holier-than-thou diatribe:
This is between Terri and her husband.
She married him, and they became one. He claims she does not want to
be kept alive that way. We have no way of knowing this for sure, since
there is no living will. But he is her husband. And no matter how much
of a lowlife you think he is, and no matter how wrong you think he is,
that will not change. He is the one that will have to answer for this
when he stands in front of the judgment throne. All we can do is pray
to God, that HIS will, will be done.
I think that answered it Larry, no living will! Her husband is openly
living in sin for his pleasure, why do you think he'd not put her down
for his pleasure?
ujb
yupper- and I also wonder WHY the crud 'demands that Terri be CREMATED
immediately after her death'..... seems to me he has a LOT to hide,
and he hopes cremation will let him off the hook ???
You can only assume that is why Terri's husband wants that. Maybe he
just cannot take it anymore?
Nice dodge.
"Life may not be the party we hoped for, but while we are here we might as well dance."
Author Unknown
May seem like a dodge to you. But was not meant as one. Has he ever
said why he wants her cremated right away?
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| User: "Sam" |
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25 Mar 2005 06:51:40 PM |
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wrote:
On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 14:34:24 -0600, CB <country2000@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 13:25:49 -0500, wrote:
On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 12:29:47 -0500, "Doc: The
absent-minded-professor!" <Doc@Watson.yup> wrote:
On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 08:00:52 -0500, ujb <ujb@bigfoot.com> sez the
following funny stuff:
wrote the following holier-than-thou diatribe:
This is between Terri and her husband.
She married him, and they became one. He claims she does not want to
be kept alive that way. We have no way of knowing this for sure, since
there is no living will. But he is her husband. And no matter how much
of a lowlife you think he is, and no matter how wrong you think he is,
that will not change. He is the one that will have to answer for this
when he stands in front of the judgment throne. All we can do is pray
to God, that HIS will, will be done.
I think that answered it Larry, no living will! Her husband is openly
living in sin for his pleasure, why do you think he'd not put her down
for his pleasure?
ujb
yupper- and I also wonder WHY the crud 'demands that Terri be CREMATED
immediately after her death'..... seems to me he has a LOT to hide,
and he hopes cremation will let him off the hook ???
You can only assume that is why Terri's husband wants that. Maybe he
just cannot take it anymore?
Nice dodge.
"Life may not be the party we hoped for, but while we are here we might as well dance."
Author Unknown
May seem like a dodge to you. But was not meant as one. Has he ever
said why he wants her cremated right away?
he is not accountable to us, but my guess would be that cremations
always happen soon after death
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Sam
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| User: "" |
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26 Mar 2005 07:43:34 AM |
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On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 00:51:40 GMT, Sam <srcarruth@yahoo.NO.SPAM.com>
wrote:
wrote:
On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 14:34:24 -0600, CB <country2000@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 13:25:49 -0500, wrote:
On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 12:29:47 -0500, "Doc: The
absent-minded-professor!" <Doc@Watson.yup> wrote:
On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 08:00:52 -0500, ujb <ujb@bigfoot.com> sez the
following funny stuff:
wrote the following holier-than-thou diatribe:
This is between Terri and her husband.
She married him, and they became one. He claims she does not want to
be kept alive that way. We have no way of knowing this for sure, since
there is no living will. But he is her husband. And no matter how much
of a lowlife you think he is, and no matter how wrong you think he is,
that will not change. He is the one that will have to answer for this
when he stands in front of the judgment throne. All we can do is pray
to God, that HIS will, will be done.
I think that answered it Larry, no living will! Her husband is openly
living in sin for his pleasure, why do you think he'd not put her down
for his pleasure?
ujb
yupper- and I also wonder WHY the crud 'demands that Terri be CREMATED
immediately after her death'..... seems to me he has a LOT to hide,
and he hopes cremation will let him off the hook ???
You can only assume that is why Terri's husband wants that. Maybe he
just cannot take it anymore?
Nice dodge.
"Life may not be the party we hoped for, but while we are here we might as well dance."
Author Unknown
May seem like a dodge to you. But was not meant as one. Has he ever
said why he wants her cremated right away?
he is not accountable to us, but my guess would be that cremations
always happen soon after death
You are correct, he is not accountable to us. Some would argue with
you though on that point. As for cremations, yes I believe they do,
unless an autopsy is requested or required. Not sure how the law
states it, or of it is different from state to state.
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| User: "Doc: The absent-minded-professor!" |
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26 Mar 2005 12:37:31 PM |
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On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 19:47:33 -0500, sez the
following funny stuff:
May seem like a dodge to you. But was not meant as one. Has he ever
said why he wants her cremated right away?
Does Macy's tell Gimball's ????
NATURALLY, he will use the excuse 'he wants her suffering over with
and a fast cremation' to 'remember her as she was'............... I
saw the moron on TV a few days ago----- the big performance was so
pathetic.
I know- you will again falsely accuse me of 'claiming to read his
mind' -------- which I am not doing. I judge by his ACTIONS.
You did access that website I posted about a few days ago, didn't
you?
The site where STAFF remarked on his callousness towards Terri???
He REFUSED to allow the windows to be opened so she could get any
air.
He REFUSED to allow the shade to be up so she could see out the
blasted window.
He REFUSED to allow her any physiotherapy.
He REFUSED to permit any antibiotics to be given her for a urinary
tract infection, hoping she would die as a result of that....
He REFUSED to allow the staff to work on a feeding program with Terri,
which would have resulted in her being able to take foods orally, even
if only pureed...
He REFUSED to allow her to listen to musical programs or any group
programs in the home;
He REFUSED to let her have a TV at her bedside.
He REFUSED to allow her to have a radio or headphones....
He also was reported saying NUMEROUS times "When will that ***** die!"
and you feel sorry for him?
I don't.
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| User: "Paul Duca" |
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26 Mar 2005 09:13:56 PM |
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in article iiab41ptmlap92iq25pb3k0i43p78jeaq5@4ax.com, Doc: The
absent-minded-professor! at wrote on 3/26/05 1:37 PM:
On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 19:47:33 -0500, sez the
following funny stuff:
May seem like a dodge to you. But was not meant as one. Has he ever
said why he wants her cremated right away?
Does Macy's tell Gimball's ????
NATURALLY, he will use the excuse 'he wants her suffering over with
and a fast cremation' to 'remember her as she was'............... I
saw the moron on TV a few days ago----- the big performance was so
pathetic.
I know- you will again falsely accuse me of 'claiming to read his
mind' -------- which I am not doing. I judge by his ACTIONS.
You did access that website I posted about a few days ago, didn't
you?
The site where STAFF remarked on his callousness towards Terri???
He REFUSED to allow the windows to be opened so she could get any
air.
He REFUSED to allow the shade to be up so she could see out the
blasted window.
He REFUSED to allow her any physiotherapy.
He REFUSED to permit any antibiotics to be given her for a urinary
tract infection, hoping she would die as a result of that....
He REFUSED to allow the staff to work on a feeding program with Terri,
which would have resulted in her being able to take foods orally, even
if only pureed...
He REFUSED to allow her to listen to musical programs or any group
programs in the home;
He REFUSED to let her have a TV at her bedside.
He REFUSED to allow her to have a radio or headphones....
He also was reported saying NUMEROUS times "When will that ***** die!"
and you feel sorry for him?
I don't.
And I certainly don't feel sorry for YOU, Doc...you'll only get the
scummy "Heaven" you deserve.
Paul
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| User: "CB" |
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25 Mar 2005 10:28:54 PM |
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On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 19:47:33 -0500, wrote:
On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 14:34:24 -0600, CB <country2000@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 13:25:49 -0500, wrote:
On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 12:29:47 -0500, "Doc: The
absent-minded-professor!" <Doc@Watson.yup> wrote:
On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 08:00:52 -0500, ujb <ujb@bigfoot.com> sez the
following funny stuff:
wrote the following holier-than-thou diatribe:
This is between Terri and her husband.
She married him, and they became one. He claims she does not want to
be kept alive that way. We have no way of knowing this for sure, since
there is no living will. But he is her husband. And no matter how much
of a lowlife you think he is, and no matter how wrong you think he is,
that will not change. He is the one that will have to answer for this
when he stands in front of the judgment throne. All we can do is pray
to God, that HIS will, will be done.
I think that answered it Larry, no living will! Her husband is openly
living in sin for his pleasure, why do you think he'd not put her down
for his pleasure?
ujb
yupper- and I also wonder WHY the crud 'demands that Terri be CREMATED
immediately after her death'..... seems to me he has a LOT to hide,
and he hopes cremation will let him off the hook ???
You can only assume that is why Terri's husband wants that. Maybe he
just cannot take it anymore?
Nice dodge.
"Life may not be the party we hoped for, but while we are here we might as well dance."
Author Unknown
May seem like a dodge to you. But was not meant as one. Has he ever
said why he wants her cremated right away?
It is against her religion.
What do you think?
Are you and scumbag gonna be buddies after she dies?
"Life may not be the party we hoped for, but while we are here we might as well dance."
Author Unknown
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| User: "Doc: The absent-minded-professor!" |
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26 Mar 2005 12:30:29 PM |
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On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 14:34:24 -0600, CB <country2000@hotmail.com> sez
the following funny stuff:
On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 13:25:49 -0500, wrote:
On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 12:29:47 -0500, "Doc: The
absent-minded-professor!" <Doc@Watson.yup> wrote:
On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 08:00:52 -0500, ujb <ujb@bigfoot.com> sez the
following funny stuff:
wrote the following holier-than-thou diatribe:
This is between Terri and her husband.
She married him, and they became one. He claims she does not want to
be kept alive that way. We have no way of knowing this for sure, since
there is no living will. But he is her husband. And no matter how much
of a lowlife you think he is, and no matter how wrong you think he is,
that will not change. He is the one that will have to answer for this
when he stands in front of the judgment throne. All we can do is pray
to God, that HIS will, will be done.
I think that answered it Larry, no living will! Her husband is openly
living in sin for his pleasure, why do you think he'd not put her down
for his pleasure?
ujb
yupper- and I also wonder WHY the crud 'demands that Terri be CREMATED
immediately after her death'..... seems to me he has a LOT to hide,
and he hopes cremation will let him off the hook ???
You can only assume that is why Terri's husband wants that. Maybe he
just cannot take it anymore?
Nice dodge.
Dodge is right.
'he' can't take it??? He's been living with a comon-law partner for
the past ten years, fathered two kids by her, and he couldn't care
LESS about Terri in real life.
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25 Mar 2005 12:23:11 PM |
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On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 08:00:52 -0500, ujb <ujb@bigfoot.com> wrote:
larry4355@adelphia.net wrote:
On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 10:05:27 -0500, "Doc: The
absent-minded-professor!" <Doc@Watson.yup> wrote:
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 11:32:36 -0600, CB <country2000@hotmail.com> sez
the following funny stuff:
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 16:33:24 +0000 (UTC), (Cary
Kittrell) wrote:
That's an awful lot of payoffs, CB.
I said "greer".
Nevertheless, Terri has never been represented in court.
Only her scumbag husband has been represented.
-- cary
Yep- Terri cannot speak for herself, so the idiots lording it over her
sentenced her to die a slow, tortuous death.
I cannot think of anything disgusting enough to call those loathsome
swine.
And you call this showing Christian love Elaine?
I do not care to see Terri die either. I do not care to see anyone
die. But in my opinion, the courts, congress, even the president
should have stayed out of this. This is between Terri and her husband.
She married him, and they became one. He claims she does not want to
be kept alive that way. We have no way of knowing this for sure, since
there is no living will. But he is her husband. And no matter how much
of a lowlife you think he is, and no matter how wrong you think he is,
that will not change. He is the one that will have to answer for this
when he stands in front of the judgment throne. All we can do is pray
to God, that HIS will, will be done.
I think that answered it Larry, no living will! Her husband is openly
living in sin for his pleasure, why do you think he'd not put her down
for his pleasure?
ujb
yes no living will, but that doesn't mean she did not say it to him.
Truth is, we don't know. And yes I agree he is living in sin. But why
he does not want the tube put back in, we really do not know the
answer to that either. Not unless you can read his mind.
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25 Mar 2005 07:58:52 PM |
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wrote:
On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 08:00:52 -0500, ujb <ujb@bigfoot.com> wrote:
wrote:
On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 10:05:27 -0500, "Doc: The
absent-minded-professor!" <Doc@Watson.yup> wrote:
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 11:32:36 -0600, CB <country2000@hotmail.com> sez
the following funny stuff:
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 16:33:24 +0000 (UTC), (Cary
Kittrell) wrote:
That's an awful lot of payoffs, CB.
I said "greer".
Nevertheless, Terri has never been represented in court.
Only her scumbag husband has been represented.
-- cary
Yep- Terri cannot speak for herself, so the idiots lording it over her
sentenced her to die a slow, tortuous death.
I cannot think of anything disgusting enough to call those loathsome
swine.
And you call this showing Christian love Elaine?
I do not care to see Terri die either. I do not care to see anyone
die. But in my opinion, the courts, congress, even the president
should have stayed out of this. This is between Terri and her husband.
She married him, and they became one. He claims she does not want to
be kept alive that way. We have no way of knowing this for sure, since
there is no living will. But he is her husband. And no matter how much
of a lowlife you think he is, and no matter how wrong you think he is,
that will not change. He is the one that will have to answer for this
when he stands in front of the judgment throne. All we can do is pray
to God, that HIS will, will be done.
I think that answered it Larry, no living will! Her husband is openly
living in sin for his pleasure, why do you think he'd not put her down
for his pleasure?
ujb
yes no living will, but that doesn't mean she did not say it to him.
Truth is, we don't know. And yes I agree he is living in sin. But why
he does not want the tube put back in, we really do not know the
answer to that either. Not unless you can read his mind.
Because I can't read his mind is about the best reason I've seen for
putting her down so far. Thank you for your insight Mister "let's do the
Christian thing..."
ujb
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25 Mar 2005 02:36:05 PM |
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On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 13:23:11 -0500, wrote:
On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 08:00:52 -0500, ujb <ujb@bigfoot.com> wrote:
wrote:
On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 10:05:27 -0500, "Doc: The
absent-minded-professor!" <Doc@Watson.yup> wrote:
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 11:32:36 -0600, CB <country2000@hotmail.com> sez
the following funny stuff:
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 16:33:24 +0000 (UTC), (Cary
Kittrell) wrote:
That's an awful lot of payoffs, CB.
I said "greer".
Nevertheless, Terri has never been represented in court.
Only her scumbag husband has been represented.
-- cary
Yep- Terri cannot speak for herself, so the idiots lording it over her
sentenced her to die a slow, tortuous death.
I cannot think of anything disgusting enough to call those loathsome
swine.
And you call this showing Christian love Elaine?
I do not care to see Terri die either. I do not care to see anyone
die. But in my opinion, the courts, congress, even the president
should have stayed out of this. This is between Terri and her husband.
She married him, and they became one. He claims she does not want to
be kept alive that way. We have no way of knowing this for sure, since
there is no living will. But he is her husband. And no matter how much
of a lowlife you think he is, and no matter how wrong you think he is,
that will not change. He is the one that will have to answer for this
when he stands in front of the judgment throne. All we can do is pray
to God, that HIS will, will be done.
I think that answered it Larry, no living will! Her husband is openly
living in sin for his pleasure, why do you think he'd not put her down
for his pleasure?
ujb
yes no living will, but that doesn't mean she did not say it to him.
Truth is, we don't know.
So why not just kill her, right?
"Life may not be the party we hoped for, but while we are here we might as well dance."
Author Unknown
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25 Mar 2005 05:51:56 PM |
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CB wrote:
On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 13:23:11 -0500, wrote:
On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 08:00:52 -0500, ujb <ujb@bigfoot.com> wrote:
wrote:
On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 10:05:27 -0500, "Doc: The
absent-minded-professor!" <Doc@Watson.yup> wrote:
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 11:32:36 -0600, CB <country2000@hotmail.com> sez
the following funny stuff:
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 16:33:24 +0000 (UTC), (Cary
Kittrell) wrote:
That's an awful lot of payoffs, CB.
I said "greer".
Nevertheless, Terri has never been represented in court.
Only her scumbag husband has been represented.
-- cary
Yep- Terri cannot speak for herself, so the idiots lording it over her
sentenced her to die a slow, tortuous death.
I cannot think of anything disgusting enough to call those loathsome
swine.
And you call this showing Christian love Elaine?
I do not care to see Terri die either. I do not care to see anyone
die. But in my opinion, the courts, congress, even the president
should have stayed out of this. This is between Terri and her husband.
She married him, and they became one. He claims she does not want to
be kept alive that way. We have no way of knowing this for sure, since
there is no living will. But he is her husband. And no matter how much
of a lowlife you think he is, and no matter how wrong you think he is,
that will not change. He is the one that will have to answer for this
when he stands in front of the judgment throne. All we can do is pray
to God, that HIS will, will be done.
I think that answered it Larry, no living will! Her husband is openly
living in sin for his pleasure, why do you think he'd not put her down
for his pleasure?
ujb
yes no living will, but that doesn't mean she did not say it to him.
Truth is, we don't know.
So why not just kill her, right?
The truth is --PROVEN IN A COURT OF LAW-- that Terri's wishes were to not be
kept on a tube. Not only did her husband testify to thie --IN A COURT OF LAW--
but several of her friends DID ALSO.
Sheesh, the stupidity, lies, superstition and just plain ignorance of
evangelicals shows just how rotten their house of cards really is.
"Life may not be the party we hoped for, but while we are here we might as
well dance." Author Unknown
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25 Mar 2005 06:01:38 PM |
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In article <wu11e.18854$fn3.12229@attbi_s01> Bible Studies with Satan <church@state.org> writes:
CB wrote:
On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 13:23:11 -0500, wrote:
On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 08:00:52 -0500, ujb <ujb@bigfoot.com> wrote:
wrote:
On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 10:05:27 -0500, "Doc: The
absent-minded-professor!" <Doc@Watson.yup> wrote:
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 11:32:36 -0600, CB <country2000@hotmail.com> sez
the following funny stuff:
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 16:33:24 +0000 (UTC), (Cary
Kittrell) wrote:
That's an awful lot of payoffs, CB.
I said "greer".
Nevertheless, Terri has never been represented in court.
Only her scumbag husband has been represented.
-- cary
Yep- Terri cannot speak for herself, so the idiots lording it over her
sentenced her to die a slow, tortuous death.
I cannot think of anything disgusting enough to call those loathsome
swine.
And you call this showing Christian love Elaine?
I do not care to see Terri die either. I do not care to see anyone
die. But in my opinion, the courts, congress, even the president
should have stayed out of this. This is between Terri and her husband.
She married him, and they became one. He claims she does not want to
be kept alive that way. We have no way of knowing this for sure, since
there is no living will. But he is her husband. And no matter how much
of a lowlife you think he is, and no matter how wrong you think he is,
that will not change. He is the one that will have to answer for this
when he stands in front of the judgment throne. All we can do is pray
to God, that HIS will, will be done.
I think that answered it Larry, no living will! Her husband is openly
living in sin for his pleasure, why do you think he'd not put her down
for his pleasure?
ujb
yes no living will, but that doesn't mean she did not say it to him.
Truth is, we don't know.
So why not just kill her, right?
The truth is --PROVEN IN A COURT OF LAW-- that Terri's wishes were to not be
kept on a tube. Not only did her husband testify to thie --IN A COURT OF LAW--
but several of her friends DID ALSO.
I don't think "proven" in some final iron-clad sense, but certainly as
well as can be determined based on what evidence is available.
(of course, CB contends that the judges all up and down the line have
ignored anything to the contrary because they don't "want to offend greer".
Pretty hard to argue with someone who's willing to make that kind of
stretch)
Be that as it may, I have to wonder: if it could be shown beyond any
kind of doubt whatsoever that pulling the tube was expressly
what Terri wished...would CB acceded that this is the correct thing
to do, or would CB (and others here) insist that she continue receiving
food and water in violation of her express wishes?
-- cary
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25 Mar 2005 10:30:30 PM |
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On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 00:01:38 +0000 (UTC), (Cary
Kittrell) wrote:
In article <wu11e.18854$fn3.12229@attbi_s01> Bible Studies with Satan <church@state.org> writes:
CB wrote:
On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 13:23:11 -0500, wrote:
On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 08:00:52 -0500, ujb <ujb@bigfoot.com> wrote:
wrote:
On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 10:05:27 -0500, "Doc: The
absent-minded-professor!" <Doc@Watson.yup> wrote:
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 11:32:36 -0600, CB <country2000@hotmail.com> sez
the following funny stuff:
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 16:33:24 +0000 (UTC), (Cary
Kittrell) wrote:
That's an awful lot of payoffs, CB.
I said "greer".
Nevertheless, Terri has never been represented in court.
Only her scumbag husband has been represented.
-- cary
Yep- Terri cannot speak for herself, so the idiots lording it over her
sentenced her to die a slow, tortuous death.
I cannot think of anything disgusting enough to call those loathsome
swine.
And you call this showing Christian love Elaine?
I do not care to see Terri die either. I do not care to see anyone
die. But in my opinion, the courts, congress, even the president
should have stayed out of this. This is between Terri and her husband.
She married him, and they became one. He claims she does not want to
be kept alive that way. We have no way of knowing this for sure, since
there is no living will. But he is her husband. And no matter how much
of a lowlife you think he is, and no matter how wrong you think he is,
that will not change. He is the one that will have to answer for this
when he stands in front of the judgment throne. All we can do is pray
to God, that HIS will, will be done.
I think that answered it Larry, no living will! Her husband is openly
living in sin for his pleasure, why do you think he'd not put her down
for his pleasure?
ujb
yes no living will, but that doesn't mean she did not say it to him.
Truth is, we don't know.
So why not just kill her, right?
The truth is --PROVEN IN A COURT OF LAW-- that Terri's wishes were to not be
kept on a tube. Not only did her husband testify to thie --IN A COURT OF LAW--
but several of her friends DID ALSO.
I don't think "proven" in some final iron-clad sense, but certainly as
well as can be determined based on what evidence is available.
(of course, CB contends that the judges all up and down the line have
ignored anything to the contrary because they don't "want to offend greer".
Pretty hard to argue with someone who's willing to make that kind of
stretch)
Please try to keep up.
You've been listening to dan blather type news.
Be that as it may, I have to wonder: if it could be shown beyond any
kind of doubt whatsoever that pulling the tube was expressly
what Terri wished...would CB acceded that this is the correct thing
to do, or would CB (and others here) insist that she continue receiving
food and water in violation of her express wishes?
-- cary
"Life may not be the party we hoped for, but while we are here we might as well dance."
Author Unknown
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25 Mar 2005 06:31:10 PM |
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On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 14:36:05 -0600, CB <country2000@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 13:23:11 -0500, wrote:
On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 08:00:52 -0500, ujb <ujb@bigfoot.com> wrote:
wrote:
On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 10:05:27 -0500, "Doc: The
absent-minded-professor!" <Doc@Watson.yup> wrote:
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 11:32:36 -0600, CB <country2000@hotmail.com> sez
the following funny stuff:
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 16:33:24 +0000 (UTC), (Cary
Kittrell) wrote:
That's an awful lot of payoffs, CB.
I said "greer".
Nevertheless, Terri has never been represented in court.
Only her scumbag husband has been represented.
-- cary
Yep- Terri cannot speak for herself, so the idiots lording it over her
sentenced her to die a slow, tortuous death.
I cannot think of anything disgusting enough to call those loathsome
swine.
And you call this showing Christian love Elaine?
I do not care to see Terri die either. I do not care to see anyone
die. But in my opinion, the courts, congress, even the president
should have stayed out of this. This is between Terri and her husband.
She married him, and they became one. He claims she does not want to
be kept alive that way. We have no way of knowing this for sure, since
there is no living will. But he is her husband. And no matter how much
of a lowlife you think he is, and no matter how wrong you think he is,
that will not change. He is the one that will have to answer for this
when he stands in front of the judgment throne. All we can do is pray
to God, that HIS will, will be done.
I think that answered it Larry, no living will! Her husband is openly
living in sin for his pleasure, why do you think he'd not put her down
for his pleasure?
ujb
yes no living will, but that doesn't mean she did not say it to him.
Truth is, we don't know.
So why not just kill her, right?
I did not say that either CB. Since we have no idea what they talked
about alone in their house, we have to go by Terri's husband word.
Unless they can come up with a paper signed by her, that she did not
say this, or does want to be kept alive, there is nothing you or I can
do, but pray that God's will be done.
"Life may not be the party we hoped for, but while we are here we might as well dance."
Author Unknown
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| User: "CB" |
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25 Mar 2005 10:31:05 PM |
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On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 19:31:10 -0500, wrote:
On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 14:36:05 -0600, CB <country2000@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 13:23:11 -0500, wrote:
On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 08:00:52 -0500, ujb <ujb@bigfoot.com> wrote:
wrote:
On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 10:05:27 -0500, "Doc: The
absent-minded-professor!" <Doc@Watson.yup> wrote:
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 11:32:36 -0600, CB <country2000@hotmail.com> sez
the following funny stuff:
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 16:33:24 +0000 (UTC), (Cary
Kittrell) wrote:
That's an awful lot of payoffs, CB.
I said "greer".
Nevertheless, Terri has never been represented in court.
Only her scumbag husband has been represented.
-- cary
Yep- Terri cannot speak for herself, so the idiots lording it over her
sentenced her to die a slow, tortuous death.
I cannot think of anything disgusting enough to call those loathsome
swine.
And you call this showing Christian love Elaine?
I do not care to see Terri die either. I do not care to see anyone
die. But in my opinion, the courts, congress, even the president
should have stayed out of this. This is between Terri and her husband.
She married him, and they became one. He claims she does not want to
be kept alive that way. We have no way of knowing this for sure, since
there is no living will. But he is her husband. And no matter how much
of a lowlife you think he is, and no matter how wrong you think he is,
that will not change. He is the one that will have to answer for this
when he stands in front of the judgment throne. All we can do is pray
to God, that HIS will, will be done.
I think that answered it Larry, no living will! Her husband is openly
living in sin for his pleasure, why do you think he'd not put her down
for his pleasure?
ujb
yes no living will, but that doesn't mean she did not say it to him.
Truth is, we don't know.
So why not just kill her, right?
I did not say that either CB. Since we have no idea what they talked
about alone in their house, we have to go by Terri's husband word.
You believe all liars?
Unless they can come up with a paper signed by her, that she did not
say this, or does want to be kept alive, there is nothing you or I can
do, but pray that God's will be done.
"Life may not be the party we hoped for, but while we are here we might as well dance."
Author Unknown
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26 Mar 2005 07:39:25 AM |
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On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 22:31:05 -0600, CB <country2000@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 19:31:10 -0500, wrote:
On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 14:36:05 -0600, CB <country2000@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 13:23:11 -0500, wrote:
On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 08:00:52 -0500, ujb <ujb@bigfoot.com> wrote:
wrote:
On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 10:05:27 -0500, "Doc: The
absent-minded-professor!" <Doc@Watson.yup> wrote:
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 11:32:36 -0600, CB <country2000@hotmail.com> sez
the following funny stuff:
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 16:33:24 +0000 (UTC), (Cary
Kittrell) wrote:
That's an awful lot of payoffs, CB.
I said "greer".
Nevertheless, Terri has never been represented in court.
Only her scumbag husband has been represented.
-- cary
Yep- Terri cannot speak for herself, so the idiots lording it over her
sentenced her to die a slow, tortuous death.
I cannot think of anything disgusting enough to call those loathsome
swine.
And you call this showing Christian love Elaine?
I do not care to see Terri die either. I do not care to see anyone
die. But in my opinion, the courts, congress, even the president
should have stayed out of this. This is between Terri and her husband.
She married him, and they became one. He claims she does not want to
be kept alive that way. We have no way of knowing this for sure, since
there is no living will. But he is her husband. And no matter how much
of a lowlife you think he is, and no matter how wrong you think he is,
that will not change. He is the one that will have to answer for this
when he stands in front of the judgment throne. All we can do is pray
to God, that HIS will, will be done.
I think that answered it Larry, no living will! Her husband is openly
living in sin for his pleasure, why do you think he'd not put her down
for his pleasure?
ujb
yes no living will, but that doesn't mean she did not say it to him.
Truth is, we don't know.
So why not just kill her, right?
I did not say that either CB. Since we have no idea what they talked
about alone in their house, we have to go by Terri's husband word.
You believe all liars?
Prove that he lied. Prove that she did not say that him. The point
being, you cannot. You or I were not there when she said it.
Unless they can come up with a paper signed by her, that she did not
say this, or does want to be kept alive, there is nothing you or I can
do, but pray that God's will be done.
"Life may not be the party we hoped for, but while we are here we might as well dance."
Author Unknown
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| User: "CB" |
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26 Mar 2005 02:17:31 PM |
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On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 08:39:25 -0500, wrote:
On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 22:31:05 -0600, CB <country2000@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 19:31:10 -0500, wrote:
On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 14:36:05 -0600, CB <country2000@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 13:23:11 -0500, wrote:
On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 08:00:52 -0500, ujb <ujb@bigfoot.com> wrote:
wrote:
On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 10:05:27 -0500, "Doc: The
absent-minded-professor!" <Doc@Watson.yup> wrote:
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 11:32:36 -0600, CB <country2000@hotmail.com> sez
the following funny stuff:
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 16:33:24 +0000 (UTC), (Cary
Kittrell) wrote:
That's an awful lot of payoffs, CB.
I said "greer".
Nevertheless, Terri has never been represented in court.
Only her scumbag husband has been represented.
-- cary
Yep- Terri cannot speak for herself, so the idiots lording it over her
sentenced her to die a slow, tortuous death.
I cannot think of anything disgusting enough to call those loathsome
swine.
And you call this showing Christian love Elaine?
I do not care to see Terri die either. I do not care to see anyone
die. But in my opinion, the courts, congress, even the president
should have stayed out of this. This is between Terri and her husband.
She married him, and they became one. He claims she does not want to
be kept alive that way. We have no way of knowing this for sure, since
there is no living will. But he is her husband. And no matter how much
of a lowlife you think he is, and no matter how wrong you think he is,
that will not change. He is the one that will have to answer for this
when he stands in front of the judgment throne. All we can do is pray
to God, that HIS will, will be done.
I think that answered it Larry, no living will! Her husband is openly
living in sin for his pleasure, why do you think he'd not put her down
for his pleasure?
ujb
yes no living will, but that doesn't mean she did not say it to him.
Truth is, we don't know.
So why not just kill her, right?
I did not say that either CB. Since we have no idea what they talked
about alone in their house, we have to go by Terri's husband word.
You believe all liars?
Prove that he lied. Prove that she did not say that him. The point
being, you cannot. You or I were not there when she said it.
So you would rather err on the side of death.
Why am I not surprised?
Unless they can come up with a paper signed by her, that she did not
say this, or does want to be kept alive, there is nothing you or I can
do, but pray that God's will be done.
"Life may not be the party we hoped for, but while we are here we might as well dance."
Author Unknown
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26 Mar 2005 04:39:00 PM |
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On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 14:17:31 -0600, CB <country2000@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 08:39:25 -0500, wrote:
On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 22:31:05 -0600, CB <country2000@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 19:31:10 -0500, wrote:
On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 14:36:05 -0600, CB <country2000@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 13:23:11 -0500, wrote:
On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 08:00:52 -0500, ujb <ujb@bigfoot.com> wrote:
wrote:
On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 10:05:27 -0500, "Doc: The
absent-minded-professor!" <Doc@Watson.yup> wrote:
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 11:32:36 -0600, CB <country2000@hotmail.com> sez
the following funny stuff:
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 16:33:24 +0000 (UTC), (Cary
Kittrell) wrote:
That's an awful lot of payoffs, CB.
I said "greer".
Nevertheless, Terri has never been represented in court.
Only her scumbag husband has been represented.
-- cary
Yep- Terri cannot speak for herself, so the idiots lording it over her
sentenced her to die a slow, tortuous death.
I cannot think of anything disgusting enough to call those loathsome
swine.
And you call this showing Christian love Elaine?
I do not care to see Terri die either. I do not care to see anyone
die. But in my opinion, the courts, congress, even the president
should have stayed out of this. This is between Terri and her husband.
She married him, and they became one. He claims she does not want to
be kept alive that way. We have no way of knowing this for sure, since
there is no living will. But he is her husband. And no matter how much
of a lowlife you think he is, and no matter how wrong you think he is,
that will not change. He is the one that will have to answer for this
when he stands in front of the judgment throne. All we can do is pray
to God, that HIS will, will be done.
I think that answered it Larry, no living will! Her husband is openly
living in sin for his pleasure, why do you think he'd not put her down
for his pleasure?
ujb
yes no living will, but that doesn't mean she did not say it to him.
Truth is, we don't know.
So why not just kill her, right?
I did not say that either CB. Since we have no idea what they talked
about alone in their house, we have to go by Terri's husband word.
You believe all liars?
Prove that he lied. Prove that she did not say that him. The point
being, you cannot. You or I were not there when she said it.
So you would rather err on the side of death.
Why am I not surprised?
No I would not want to err on the side of death. But I go by what the
law states. He is her husband still. And he has the first right to say
what will happen.
Unless they can come up with a paper signed by her, that she did not
say this, or does want to be kept alive, there is nothing you or I can
do, but pray that God's will be done.
"Life may not be the party we hoped for, but while we are here we might as well dance."
Author Unknown
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| User: "Doc: The absent-minded-professor!" |
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27 Mar 2005 11:41:01 AM |
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On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 17:39:00 -0500, sez the
following funny stuff:
No I would not want to err on the side of death. But I go by what the
law states. He is her husband still. And he has the first right to say
what will happen.
I know I said I would not bother resonding to you further, buyt this
MUST be addressed.
Firstly, that scumbag abandoned Terri for another woman, literally
using her as his private brood mare, having fathered two children by
his new concubine.
Therefore, he has admitted he wants nothing further to DO with Terri.
HE LEFT HER- therefore, he should lose ALL RIGHTS TO HER.
So I suppose if your wife was like Terir, you would pull a mikie and
go to her bedside, and say "You are my wife, and you'll DIE when I say
so", huh?
How disgusting.
You may waste your time replying if you so desire, but expect no
response from me, you phony baloney.
Goodbye.
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27 Mar 2005 04:45:23 PM |
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On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 12:41:01 -0500, "Doc: The
absent-minded-professor!" <Doc@Watson.yup> wrote:
On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 17:39:00 -0500, sez the
following funny stuff:
No I would not want to err on the side of death. But I go by what the
law states. He is her husband still. And he has the first right to say
what will happen.
I know I said I would not bother resonding to you further, buyt this
MUST be addressed.
So in other words you lied huh?
Firstly, that scumbag abandoned Terri for another woman, literally
using her as his private brood mare, having fathered two children by
his new concubine.
Doesn't matter, in the eyes of the law, he is still her wife. No
divorce papers or separation papers exist as far as I know of.
Therefore, he has admitted he wants nothing further to DO with Terri.
In your opinion he has admitted. I do not recall him every saying
that.
HE LEFT HER- therefore, he should lose ALL RIGHTS TO HER.
Not according to the law.
So I suppose if your wife was like Terir, you would pull a mikie and
go to her bedside, and say "You are my wife, and you'll DIE when I say
so", huh?
Nope would not happen. We have a living will.
How disgusting.
You may waste your time replying if you so desire, but expect no
response from me, you phony baloney.
Goodbye.
So you ask me a question, and then run away.
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| User: "icono" |
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| Title: Re: Vegetative State Can Give Kin False Hope |
27 Mar 2005 06:03:34 PM |
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<> wrote in message
news:3mde41lhvtp03c990ojj5fttm1if9dgg4c@4ax.com...
On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 12:41:01 -0500, "Doc: The
absent-minded-professor!" <Doc@Watson.yup> wrote:
On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 17:39:00 -0500, sez the
following funny stuff:
No I would not want to err on the side of death. But I go by what the
law states. He is her husband still. And he has the first right to say
what will happen.
I know I said I would not bother resonding to you further, buyt this
MUST be addressed.
So in other words you lied huh?
Firstly, that scumbag abandoned Terri for another woman, literally
using her as his private brood mare, having fathered two children by
his new concubine.
Doesn't matter, in the eyes of the law, he is still her wife. No
divorce papers or separation papers exist as far as I know of.
Therefore, he has admitted he wants nothing further to DO with Terri.
In your opinion he has admitted. I do not recall him every saying
that.
HE LEFT HER- therefore, he should lose ALL RIGHTS TO HER.
Not according to the law.
So I suppose if your wife was like Terir, you would pull a mikie and
go to her bedside, and say "You are my wife, and you'll DIE when I say
so", huh?
Nope would not happen. We have a living will.
How disgusting.
You may waste your time replying if you so desire, but expect no
response from me, you phony baloney.
Goodbye.
Three have testified that he often said, When is the ***** going to die?
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| User: "Doc: The absent-minded-professor!" |
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28 Mar 2005 12:18:13 PM |
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On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 17:03:34 -0700, "icono" <icono@cox.net> sez the
following funny stuff:
Three have testified that he often said, When is the ***** going to die?
Yes inded.
ande the family wanted Terri to have Communion yesterday - that
scumbag of a former 'husband' refused to allow it.
I wonder what mr goody-2-booties larriekins has to say about THAT?
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