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Religions > Atheism |
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"L.L. Cool Names" |
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15 Jun 2005 04:43:58 PM |
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Verizon Known For Idiots |
Verizon Sucks. Yup. They suck. This is an example of one of the most
irresponsible companies I have ever had to deal with. One of their
customers has been spamming me literally for the entire year, sending
over a dozen spams a day to me, every day, possibly even more. The
headers clearly indicate that the spams were being sent from a Verizon
DSL customer(Flipper "I'm Stupid" Mike and traceroutes and IP lookups
confirmed it.
I have emailed nearly every one of these spams to .
And yet, the spams continue to come. In fact, they've been getting
worse. Verizon has not lifted one ***** finger to put a stop to it,
and not once ever responded to any my complaints beyond the normal
automated response. I do not even think they read their abuse email,
let alone take action against abusive customers. It must be a
spammer's paradise.
Well, finally I got fed up with the continuing spam enough to call
them on the phone. I've wasted many hours over a period of months...
as I said, almost a year, trying to get Verizon to take action against
this person using official channels with no luck.
Did you know that Verizon publishes no phone number for security or
spam issues? They have no phone number for spam, no phone number for
network security, no NOC number, not even a phone number for
complaints. They just have their idiotic little
email address which they ignore.
This is supposed to be a large, responsible corporate entity? I don't
think so.
Well, I called their customer service and spent an hour arguing with
the customer service tech. I told the lady that I was being attacked.
She couldn't find a phone number to call. She couldn't handle the
situation herself. I asked to talk to her superior. She refused to
hand me up the line, refused to give me a phone number ... any phone
number, that could deal with this issue of one of their customers
spamming me continuously. Then she tried to convince me that it really
wasn't Verizon's problem... that they couldn't track the customer down
despite the fact that I was getting spam after spam from the same IP
address. I again asked to talk to her superior and asked for a contact
.... a human contact that I could talk to rseolve the issue. Again she
refused, claiming that no such number existed, that she couldn't pass
it on to anyone, and that she couldn't deal with the matter herself.
In short, Verizon has an obvious unsaid policy to ignore all
complaints, no matter how serious they are. They basically don't give
a damn about their customers or by victims effected by spammers who
are their customers.
Verizon seems to have intentionally set up their system to make it
impossible to talk to a human being who might be able to track
security or spam issues with their customers down. Verizon is
intentionally trying to funnel all abuse reports to ,
and then is intentionally ignoring those complaints, costing people
like me god knows how much time and money in dealing with these
spammers.
Verizon, it appears, is a spam haven. And that makes them liars as
well. They have pretty looking customer relations messages and try to
make themselves out to be spam fighters but when it comes right down
to it they allow their customers to run rampant on the internet and
either ignore or intentionally do not take action against those
customers who have become massive sources of spam on the internet.
I should know, I'm one of the victims. Frankly, I believe that this
irresponsibility makes Verizon liable, and maybe some day I'll decide
it has gone too far and sue their asses for the several thousand spams
I now have in my archives (along with all my abuse complaints which
they have been ignoring). Lets see, $50 a pop times a couple of
thousand... hmmm. But not today. Litigation should only be used as a
final resort and I haven't reached that point yet. For now I am
content reporting this massive abuse by a large corporation to the
people who care... others who get lots of spam from verizon, have
complained, and not gotten a response or action. Maybe eventually the
bad press will force Verizon to take action but from what I've seen so
far I really doubt it. Nothing short of a massive fine or court action
is likely to change the way Verizon does business, and that's a fairly
sad commentary for the Company. It puts them right up there with AT&T
and Sprint for ignoring spam complaints (yes, Sprint has the same
problem. There is a massive spammer called TEMD.NET which runs their
spamming operation over Sprintlink, I get spams from them several
times a month and complain about each one, and Sprint, like Verizon,
has not lifted a single ***** finger to stem the tide).
The wonderful thing about the internet is that you can Vent on it.
If you see a post from L.L. Cool Names, check the headers, there is a
lifeless ***** on Verizon pretending to be me.
--
Ladies Love Cool Names
Super Dave is actually Bob Einstein,
the brother of comedy genius Albert Brooks.
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| User: "Hannah" |
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| Title: Re: Verizon Known For Idiots |
16 Jun 2005 03:17:09 PM |
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"L.L. Cool Names" <laidies@lovecool.names> wrote in message
If you see a post from L.L. Cool Names, check the headers, there is a
lifeless ***** on Verizon
Or you looking in a mirror?
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| User: "Roger McDoogal" |
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| Title: Re: Verizon Known For Idiots |
16 Jun 2005 09:08:24 AM |
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"L.L. Cool Names" <laidies@lovecool.names> wrote in message
news:k181b1dhr292gv7nhnjdrr3vj9mmlrsn9q@4ax.com...
Verizon Sucks. Yup. They suck. This is an example of one of the most
irresponsible companies I have ever had to deal with. One of their
customers has been spamming me literally for the entire year, sending
over a dozen spams a day to me, every day, possibly even more. The
headers clearly indicate that the spams were being sent from a Verizon
DSL customer(Flipper "I'm Stupid" Mike and traceroutes and IP lookups
confirmed it.
Has anyone ever heard of spoofing?
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| User: " bozak" |
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| Title: Re: Verizon Known For Idiots |
16 Jun 2005 10:30:47 AM |
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"Roger McDoogal" <Fitzpatric@prodigy.com> wrote in message news:gLfse.24977$So7.735@fe10.lga...
"L.L. Cool Names" <laidies@lovecool.names> wrote in message
news:k181b1dhr292gv7nhnjdrr3vj9mmlrsn9q@4ax.com...
Verizon Sucks. Yup. They suck. This is an example of one of the most
irresponsible companies I have ever had to deal with. One of their
customers has been spamming me literally for the entire year, sending
over a dozen spams a day to me, every day, possibly even more. The
headers clearly indicate that the spams were being sent from a Verizon
DSL customer(Flipper "I'm Stupid" Mike and traceroutes and IP lookups
confirmed it.
Has anyone ever heard of spoofing?
yeah thats when two guys, uhhh no no, i think thats spooning... (homo)
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| User: "Jeff Schick" |
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| Title: Re: Verizon Known For Idiots |
16 Jun 2005 01:33:09 AM |
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"L.L. Cool Names" <laidies@lovecool.names> wrote in message =
news:k181b1dhr292gv7nhnjdrr3vj9mmlrsn9q@4ax.com...
Verizon Sucks. Yup. They suck. This is an example of one of the most
irresponsible companies I have ever had to deal with. One of their
customers has been spamming me literally for the entire year, sending
over a dozen spams a day to me, every day, possibly even more. The
headers clearly indicate that the spams were being sent from a Verizon
DSL customer(Flipper "I'm Stupid" Mike and traceroutes and IP lookups
confirmed it.
=20
I have emailed nearly every one of these spams to abuse@verizon.net.
=20
Verizon doesn't censor it's internet users because some idiot troll like =
you whines & complains.
Good for them.
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| User: "L.L. Cool Names" |
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| Title: Re: Verizon Known For Idiots |
16 Jun 2005 02:07:04 AM |
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There are 4 things I hate, Girls, Women, Bitches, and "Jeff Schick"
<spam@spamcop.net> On Wed, 15 Jun 2005 23:33:09 -0700 this person
wrote:
"L.L. Cool Names" <laidies@lovecool.names> wrote in message news:k181b1dhr292gv7nhnjdrr3vj9mmlrsn9q@4ax.com...
Verizon Sucks. Yup. They suck. This is an example of one of the most
irresponsible companies I have ever had to deal with. One of their
customers has been spamming me literally for the entire year, sending
over a dozen spams a day to me, every day, possibly even more. The
headers clearly indicate that the spams were being sent from a Verizon
DSL customer(Flipper "I'm Stupid" Mike and traceroutes and IP lookups
confirmed it.
I have emailed nearly every one of these spams to abuse@verizon.net.
Verizon doesn't censor it's internet users because some idiot troll like you whines & complains.
Good for them.
That was a flame?
--
Ladies Love Cool Names
Super Dave is actually Bob Einstein,
the brother of comedy genius Albert Brooks.
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| User: "Jeff Schick" |
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| Title: Re: Verizon Known For Idiots |
16 Jun 2005 09:11:08 AM |
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"L.L. Cool Names" <laidies@lovecool.names> wrote in message =
news:jj52b19lgdfjtg37slpjn0shopc4823u36@4ax.com...
There are 4 things I hate, Girls, Women, Bitches, and "Jeff Schick"
<spam@spamcop.net> On Wed, 15 Jun 2005 23:33:09 -0700 this person
wrote:
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"L.L. Cool Names" <laidies@lovecool.names> wrote in message =
news:k181b1dhr292gv7nhnjdrr3vj9mmlrsn9q@4ax.com...
Verizon Sucks. Yup. They suck. This is an example of one of the most
irresponsible companies I have ever had to deal with. One of their
customers has been spamming me literally for the entire year, =
sending
over a dozen spams a day to me, every day, possibly even more. The
headers clearly indicate that the spams were being sent from a =
Verizon
DSL customer(Flipper "I'm Stupid" Mike and traceroutes and IP =
lookups
confirmed it.
=20
I have emailed nearly every one of these spams to abuse@verizon.net.
=20
Verizon doesn't censor it's internet users because some idiot troll =
like you whines & complains.
Good for them.
=20
That was a flame? =20
=20
Was it?
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| User: "Wasteland Drifter" |
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| Title: Re: Verizon Known For Idiots |
15 Jun 2005 05:52:07 PM |
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L.L. Cool Names wrote:
<snip>
I knew the ignorance of a lot of call centre staff would prove to be
humourous one day...
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| User: "Stephan" |
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| Title: Re: Verizon Known For Idiots |
15 Jun 2005 06:26:02 PM |
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L.L. Cool Names wrote:
Verizon Sucks. Whawhawha.
Go tell your mom you retard.
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| User: "L.L. Cool Names" |
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| Title: Re: Verizon Known For Idiots |
15 Jun 2005 08:08:12 PM |
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There are 4 things I hate, Girls, Women, Bitches, and Stephan
<Stephan@nospam.us> On Wed, 15 Jun 2005 23:26:02 GMT this person
wrote:
L.L. Cool Names wrote:
Verizon Sucks. Whawhawha.
Go tell your mom you retard.
Go tell your mom you couldn't resist the urge to tell me to go tell my
mom and call me a retard, than post what she said to you.
--
Ladies Love Cool Names
Super Dave is actually Bob Einstein,
the brother of comedy genius Albert Brooks.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Verizon Known For Idiots |
15 Jun 2005 07:15:51 PM |
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Why continue to do business with Verizon???
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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| Title: Re: Verizon Known For Idiots |
15 Jun 2005 09:01:48 PM |
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Why continue to do business with Verizon???
I've been amazed at the service that SBCglobal has provided once you get by
the first tier.
However it is almost impossible to get good help from the first tier of
*any* service provider and most of that reason falls on the consumer.
The vast majority of problems are solved by asking hard questions like "Is
it turned on?", "Is it plugged in?"...
By the time a good tech learns enough to actually solve some problems they
will be horribly bored from asking such questions. They move up or get a
better job. We are stuck with the ones who are new or who never learned.
But they are so very nice.... I'd rather have somebody call me a fucking
idiot and solve my problem.
Unix people have half that skill down.
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| User: "John Baker" |
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| Title: Re: Verizon Known For Idiots |
16 Jun 2005 01:13:54 AM |
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On Thu, 16 Jun 2005 02:01:48 GMT, "Mike Painter"
<mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
gryphon801@aol.com wrote:
Why continue to do business with Verizon???
I've been amazed at the service that SBCglobal has provided once you get by
the first tier.
However it is almost impossible to get good help from the first tier of
*any* service provider and most of that reason falls on the consumer.
The vast majority of problems are solved by asking hard questions like "Is
it turned on?", "Is it plugged in?"...
By the time a good tech learns enough to actually solve some problems they
will be horribly bored from asking such questions. They move up or get a
better job. We are stuck with the ones who are new or who never learned.
But they are so very nice.... I'd rather have somebody call me a fucking
idiot and solve my problem.
Unix people have half that skill down.
Now, if they can just get the problem solving part down..... <wink>
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Verizon Known For Idiots |
15 Jun 2005 10:44:42 PM |
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L.L. Cool Names wrote:
Verizon Sucks. Yup. They suck. This is an example of one of the most
irresponsible companies I have ever had to deal with. One of their
customers has been spamming me literally for the entire year, sending
over a dozen spams a day to me, every day, possibly even more. The
headers clearly indicate that the spams were being sent from a Verizon
DSL customer(Flipper "I'm Stupid" Mike and traceroutes and IP lookups
confirmed it.
I have emailed nearly every one of these spams to abuse@verizon.net.
And yet, the spams continue to come. In fact, they've been getting
worse. Verizon has not lifted one ***** finger to put a stop to it,
The bigger companies get, the less accountable they think they are to
their customers. I've said this here before and people pooh-pooh it,
despite every story like yours. Google, Yahoo, credit card companies
that keep sending forms even after you call their head office and tell
them to get lost, they all think success means they no longer have to
be
courteous to their customers.
I made the mistake of trying to buy a laptop from Gateway. First there
was a bait and switch (I ordered it with a CD-RW/DVD and they shipped a
CD-R), then their refusal to pay the cost of shipping it back to the US
(it was _their_ actions, not mine), then when they finally did send a
packing sheet for a courier, it was for _land_ transport. From Korea?
I checked websites for others who made the mistake of trying to buy
from
Gateway and was told to contact the South Dakota Attorney General's
office (where Gateway is based). My, that AG's office was quick. They
really lit a fire under those bastards. Not only did Gateway send a
proper shipping tag, they refunded my money plus interest, *and* they
had to eat the taxes and duties (10%) I originally paid. I got all my
money back and Gateway lost money. It was beautiful.
Bob Dog
Atheist #153 = 1^3 + 5^3 + 3^3
EAC's chief cook and brainwasher
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"You won't find any opposition to the idea of evolution among
sophisticated, educated theologians. It comes from an
exceedingly retarded, primitive version of religion, which
unfortunately is at present undergoing an epidemic in the
United States."
- Richard Dawkins
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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| Title: Re: Verizon Known For Idiots |
16 Jun 2005 12:37:36 AM |
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wrote:
I made the mistake of trying to buy a laptop from Gateway. First
there
I just bought a monitor from Dell. It has four USB2 ports on it and I
could not get them to read things that were readable without the built in
hub.
I sent them an email. They *called* me the next day and I told them this was
a third party USB2 card. We talked and exchanged emails until the problem
was solved.
I'm *very* happy with Dell and always have been.
Gateway, on the other hand spawned the "Gripe line" column in the old
InfoWorld.
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| User: "Ricky Ticket" |
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| Title: Re: Verizon Known For Idiots |
17 Jun 2005 06:35:12 AM |
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On Wed, 15 Jun 2005 17:43:58 -0400, L.L. Cool Names wrote
(in message <k181b1dhr292gv7nhnjdrr3vj9mmlrsn9q@4ax.com>):
Well, finally I got fed up with the continuing spam
You filtered it? :o)
--
"Anytime an inmate escapes, it is justification for deadly force." --Osprey
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| User: " bozak" |
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| Title: Re: Verizon Known For Idiots |
17 Jun 2005 03:44:34 PM |
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"Ricky Ticket" <not@given.com> wrote in message
news:0001HW.BED82DDF000BEF042ED34720@news.east.earthlink.net...
On Wed, 15 Jun 2005 17:43:58 -0400, L.L. Cool Names wrote
(in message <k181b1dhr292gv7nhnjdrr3vj9mmlrsn9q@4ax.com>):
Well, finally I got fed up with the continuing spam
You filtered it? :o)
no... this was his last post before he killed himself...
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| User: "Dan" |
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| Title: Re: Verizon Known For Idiots |
15 Jun 2005 09:24:11 PM |
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call this #:
Verizon Presidential Appeals
1-800-483-7988
1-888-216-1443
it's a number that you are not supposed to know and low level tech people
are supposed to give out when they cannot resolve the situtaion.. but they
get in trouble for handing it out to much. (yes verizon stupidity)
you'll get somoene to take care of it there..
"L.L. Cool Names" <laidies@lovecool.names> wrote in message
news:k181b1dhr292gv7nhnjdrr3vj9mmlrsn9q@4ax.com...
Verizon Sucks. Yup. They suck. This is an example of one of the most
irresponsible companies I have ever had to deal with. One of their
customers has been spamming me literally for the entire year, sending
over a dozen spams a day to me, every day, possibly even more. The
headers clearly indicate that the spams were being sent from a Verizon
DSL customer(Flipper "I'm Stupid" Mike and traceroutes and IP lookups
confirmed it.
I have emailed nearly every one of these spams to .
And yet, the spams continue to come. In fact, they've been getting
worse. Verizon has not lifted one ***** finger to put a stop to it,
and not once ever responded to any my complaints beyond the normal
automated response. I do not even think they read their abuse email,
let alone take action against abusive customers. It must be a
spammer's paradise.
Well, finally I got fed up with the continuing spam enough to call
them on the phone. I've wasted many hours over a period of months...
as I said, almost a year, trying to get Verizon to take action against
this person using official channels with no luck.
Did you know that Verizon publishes no phone number for security or
spam issues? They have no phone number for spam, no phone number for
network security, no NOC number, not even a phone number for
complaints. They just have their idiotic little
email address which they ignore.
This is supposed to be a large, responsible corporate entity? I don't
think so.
Well, I called their customer service and spent an hour arguing with
the customer service tech. I told the lady that I was being attacked.
She couldn't find a phone number to call. She couldn't handle the
situation herself. I asked to talk to her superior. She refused to
hand me up the line, refused to give me a phone number ... any phone
number, that could deal with this issue of one of their customers
spamming me continuously. Then she tried to convince me that it really
wasn't Verizon's problem... that they couldn't track the customer down
despite the fact that I was getting spam after spam from the same IP
address. I again asked to talk to her superior and asked for a contact
... a human contact that I could talk to rseolve the issue. Again she
refused, claiming that no such number existed, that she couldn't pass
it on to anyone, and that she couldn't deal with the matter herself.
In short, Verizon has an obvious unsaid policy to ignore all
complaints, no matter how serious they are. They basically don't give
a damn about their customers or by victims effected by spammers who
are their customers.
Verizon seems to have intentionally set up their system to make it
impossible to talk to a human being who might be able to track
security or spam issues with their customers down. Verizon is
intentionally trying to funnel all abuse reports to ,
and then is intentionally ignoring those complaints, costing people
like me god knows how much time and money in dealing with these
spammers.
Verizon, it appears, is a spam haven. And that makes them liars as
well. They have pretty looking customer relations messages and try to
make themselves out to be spam fighters but when it comes right down
to it they allow their customers to run rampant on the internet and
either ignore or intentionally do not take action against those
customers who have become massive sources of spam on the internet.
I should know, I'm one of the victims. Frankly, I believe that this
irresponsibility makes Verizon liable, and maybe some day I'll decide
it has gone too far and sue their asses for the several thousand spams
I now have in my archives (along with all my abuse complaints which
they have been ignoring). Lets see, $50 a pop times a couple of
thousand... hmmm. But not today. Litigation should only be used as a
final resort and I haven't reached that point yet. For now I am
content reporting this massive abuse by a large corporation to the
people who care... others who get lots of spam from verizon, have
complained, and not gotten a response or action. Maybe eventually the
bad press will force Verizon to take action but from what I've seen so
far I really doubt it. Nothing short of a massive fine or court action
is likely to change the way Verizon does business, and that's a fairly
sad commentary for the Company. It puts them right up there with AT&T
and Sprint for ignoring spam complaints (yes, Sprint has the same
problem. There is a massive spammer called TEMD.NET which runs their
spamming operation over Sprintlink, I get spams from them several
times a month and complain about each one, and Sprint, like Verizon,
has not lifted a single ***** finger to stem the tide).
The wonderful thing about the internet is that you can Vent on it.
If you see a post from L.L. Cool Names, check the headers, there is a
lifeless ***** on Verizon pretending to be me.
--
Ladies Love Cool Names
Super Dave is actually Bob Einstein,
the brother of comedy genius Albert Brooks.
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