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"Angelocracy.com" |
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17 Apr 2007 10:17:39 AM |
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Virginia Tech Massacre and Campus Security |
Virginia Tech Shooting
At Virginia Tech some of the students moved tables in front of the
door to try to keep the gunman from comming in. Because there was no
way to lock the door. A few years back there was a shooting at a
college or University in Canada. Can't remember the name of the
school. But today because of that shooting all class room doors at
that school can be lock and only a teacher can unlock them. The same
should be done at all schools here in the USA. Also there should be a
panic button in all classrooms and other parts of the schools. Also
security cameras.
The frist shooting happen at 7:15. The second happen at 9:45. There
was no alert sent out to students about the shooting at 7:15 until
9:26. People were still coming on to Virginia Tech. Students were
still make there way to class. After the 2 shooting at 9:45 a lock
down order was given about 15 min later. If a lock down order was
given right after the frist shooting at 7:15 the death toll would have
been much less. The school and the police drop the ball on this one.
In the weeks to come people will lose there jobs over this. There will
be many law suits.
http://angelocracy.com/
http://angelocracy.blogspot.com/
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| User: "Joe King" |
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| Title: Re: Virginia Tech Massacre and Campus Security |
17 Apr 2007 10:45:05 AM |
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"Angelocracy.com" <dumpdrop@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1176823059.441483.293320@y5g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
Virginia Tech Shooting
At Virginia Tech some of the students moved tables in front of the
door to try to keep the gunman from comming in. Because there was no
way to lock the door. A few years back there was a shooting at a
college or University in Canada. Can't remember the name of the
school. But today because of that shooting all class room doors at
that school can be lock and only a teacher can unlock them. The same
should be done at all schools here in the USA. Also there should be a
panic button in all classrooms and other parts of the schools. Also
security cameras.
The frist shooting happen at 7:15. The second happen at 9:45. There
was no alert sent out to students about the shooting at 7:15 until
9:26. People were still coming on to Virginia Tech. Students were
still make there way to class. After the 2 shooting at 9:45 a lock
down order was given about 15 min later. If a lock down order was
given right after the frist shooting at 7:15 the death toll would have
been much less. The school and the police drop the ball on this one.
In the weeks to come people will lose there jobs over this. There will
be many law suits.
http://angelocracy.com/
http://angelocracy.blogspot.com/
Of course some people will lose their jobs. Americans have this stupid
notion that if something bad happens then someone must take the blame.
Later comes the "I've hit the jackpot" mentality and they sue everyone,
including the janitor, in hopes of making the really big bucks. (Look at
the aftermath of 9/11) Stuff happens and sometimes really bad stuff happens.
Perhaps if people would redirect their anger at the companies who produce
those violent video games and our own culture which teaches self
gratification over repect for others then something positive might come from
this tragedy. .
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| User: "Witziges Rätsel" |
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| Title: Re: Virginia Tech Massacre and Campus Security |
17 Apr 2007 11:31:39 AM |
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At Virginia Tech some of the students moved tables in front of the
door to try to keep the gunman from coming in. Because there was no
way to lock the door. A few years back there was a shooting at a
college or University in Canada. Can't remember the name of the
school. But today because of that shooting all class room doors at
that school can be lock and only a teacher can unlock them. The same
should be done at all schools here in the USA. Also there should be a
panic button in all classrooms and other parts of the schools. Also
security cameras.
The first shooting happen at 7:15. The second happen at 9:45. There
was no alert sent out to students about the shooting at 7:15 until
9:26. People were still coming on to Virginia Tech. Students were
still make there way to class. After the 2 shooting at 9:45 a lock
down order was given about 15 min later. If a lock down order was
given right after the first shooting at 7:15 the death toll would have
been much less. The school and the police drop the ball on this one.
In the weeks to come people will lose there jobs over this. There will
be many law suits.
Of course some people will lose their jobs. Americans have this stupid
notion that if something bad happens then someone must take the blame.
Later comes the "I've hit the jackpot" mentality and they sue everyone,
including the janitor, in hopes of making the really big bucks. (Look at
the aftermath of 9/11) Stuff happens and sometimes really bad stuff
happens. Perhaps if people would redirect their anger at the companies who
produce those violent video games and our own culture which teaches self
gratification over respect for others then something positive might come
from this tragedy. .
Now you're blaming. (i.e. video games, gratification) Make up your mind.
Actually, people should do nothing following a tragedy. In the words of the
great and wise Homer Simpson: "Ignore it, Lisa, it'll go away."
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| User: "Joe King" |
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| Title: Re: Virginia Tech Massacre and Campus Security |
17 Apr 2007 04:13:05 PM |
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"Witziges Rätsel" <zer@roer.com> wrote in message
news:LD6Vh.3315$BS2.2110@trndny01...
At Virginia Tech some of the students moved tables in front of the
door to try to keep the gunman from coming in. Because there was no
way to lock the door. A few years back there was a shooting at a
college or University in Canada. Can't remember the name of the
school. But today because of that shooting all class room doors at
that school can be lock and only a teacher can unlock them. The same
should be done at all schools here in the USA. Also there should be a
panic button in all classrooms and other parts of the schools. Also
security cameras.
The first shooting happen at 7:15. The second happen at 9:45. There
was no alert sent out to students about the shooting at 7:15 until
9:26. People were still coming on to Virginia Tech. Students were
still make there way to class. After the 2 shooting at 9:45 a lock
down order was given about 15 min later. If a lock down order was
given right after the first shooting at 7:15 the death toll would have
been much less. The school and the police drop the ball on this one.
In the weeks to come people will lose there jobs over this. There will
be many law suits.
Of course some people will lose their jobs. Americans have this stupid
notion that if something bad happens then someone must take the blame.
Later comes the "I've hit the jackpot" mentality and they sue everyone,
including the janitor, in hopes of making the really big bucks. (Look at
the aftermath of 9/11) Stuff happens and sometimes really bad stuff
happens. Perhaps if people would redirect their anger at the companies
who
produce those violent video games and our own culture which teaches self
gratification over respect for others then something positive might come
from this tragedy. .
Now you're blaming. (i.e. video games, gratification) Make up your mind.
Actually, people should do nothing following a tragedy. In the words of
the
great and wise Homer Simpson: "Ignore it, Lisa, it'll go away."
No, what I'm saying is we are becoming exactly what we want to become. What
I'm saying is we, as a society, need to step back and see what we've
become. This young man obviously had mental problems and it was his fault,
not the schools, the police or because he was traumitized because he was
denied ice cream on his ninth birthday. Many people will sympathize with
the murderer (and rightly so) but will also demand firing of some school and
police officials. There will be some who will see the opportunity to make
big bucks by suing someone.
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| User: "John Popelish" |
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| Title: Re: Virginia Tech Massacre and Campus Security |
17 Apr 2007 12:36:12 PM |
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Witziges R=E4tsel wrote:
Now you're blaming. (i.e. video games, gratification) Make up your m=
ind.
Actually, people should do nothing following a tragedy. In the words of=
the
great and wise Homer Simpson: "Ignore it, Lisa, it'll go away."
I agree. Unusual, even if severe events, do not a trend make.
For instance, even though it would be terrible if a=20
meteorite struck a large city and destroyed thousands of=20
lives, it would not make sense to force everyone to build=20
meteorite proof houses in order to get home owner's insurance.
In the case of this tragedy, it think we should try to learn=20
as much as possible about how it unfolded as it did, in no=20
particular rush. You never know where a good lesson for=20
life will come from.
I just feel very great sympathy for the family of the=20
shooter. They have also lost a child, but have to grieve in=20
secret for fear of retribution from a lynch mob mentality.=20
I also feel bad for the shooter, because I can't even=20
imagine the misery I would have feel (and I can only assume=20
that he felt) to be motivated to act as he did.
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| User: "Geoff" |
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| Title: Re: Virginia Tech Massacre and Campus Security |
17 Apr 2007 10:40:26 AM |
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Angelocracy.com wrote:
Virginia Tech Shooting
At Virginia Tech some of the students moved tables in front of the
door to try to keep the gunman from comming in. Because there was no
way to lock the door. A few years back there was a shooting at a
college or University in Canada. Can't remember the name of the
school. But today because of that shooting all class room doors at
that school can be lock and only a teacher can unlock them. The same
should be done at all schools here in the USA. Also there should be a
panic button in all classrooms and other parts of the schools. Also
security cameras.
What's the risk and what's the cost to mitigate the risk? This is all about
irrational fear just like when silly people were duct taping their houses a
few years back.
You want to save lives? I can save you 50,000 lives in the US alone every
year. Just reduce the speed limit on highways to 5 mph. The cost will be
exhorbitant, but just think of the 50,000 people who won't die.
Ridiculous right? Of course it is. So why should we spend billions on panic
buttons, security cameras and locks in every classroom in response to fewer
than 100 deaths per year?
The frist shooting happen at 7:15. The second happen at 9:45. There
was no alert sent out to students about the shooting at 7:15 until
9:26. People were still coming on to Virginia Tech. Students were
still make there way to class. After the 2 shooting at 9:45 a lock
down order was given about 15 min later. If a lock down order was
given right after the frist shooting at 7:15 the death toll would have
been much less. The school and the police drop the ball on this one.
In the weeks to come people will lose there jobs over this. There will
be many law suits.
VA Tech is basically a small city of 25,000 people. By your logic, if a
shooting occurs in downtown Chattanooga, TN there should be an immediate
curfew (communicated by who knows what) throughout the city.
Get real.
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| User: "Barnabas Collins" |
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| Title: Re: Virginia Tech Massacre and Campus Security |
17 Apr 2007 03:12:37 PM |
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The frist shooting happen at 7:15. The second happen at 9:45. There
was no alert sent out to students about the shooting at 7:15 until
9:26.
I keep hearing complaints about students not being notified.
In this era of disposable cell phones, throw away e-mail addresses,
etc. how was the school supposed to know who to contact?
I would doubt they'd have cell phone #s and email addresses for
every student. And if they did they'd have privacy complaints.
People were still coming on to Virginia Tech. Students were
still make there way to class. After the 2 shooting at 9:45 a lock
down order was given about 15 min later. If a lock down order was
given right after the frist shooting at 7:15 the death toll would have
been much less. The school and the police drop the ball on this one.
In the weeks to come people will lose there jobs over this. There will
be many law suits.
IMHO the school handled it well given the information availalbe at the
time.
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| User: "Nevermore" |
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17 Apr 2007 05:36:31 PM |
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In <1176823059.441483.293320@y5g2000hsa.googlegroups.com> Angelocracy.
com wrote:
Also there should be a
panic button in all classrooms and other parts of the schools. Also
security cameras.
And that would stop an active shooting how?
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| User: "RobertG" |
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| Title: Re: Virginia Tech Massacre and Campus Security |
20 Apr 2007 08:09:40 PM |
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On 17 avr, 19:17, "Angelocracy.com" <dumpd...@hotmail.com> wrote:
VirginiaTechShooting
AtVirginiaTech some of the students moved tables in front of the
door to try to keep the gunman from comming in. Because there was no
way to lock the door. A few years back there was ashootingat a
college or University in Canada. Can't remember the name of the
school. But today because of thatshootingall class room doors at
that school can be lock and only a teacher can unlock them. The same
should be done at all schools here in the USA. Also there should be a
panic button in all classrooms and other parts of the schools. Also
security cameras.
The fristshootinghappen at 7:15. The second happen at 9:45. There
was no alert sent out to students about theshootingat 7:15 until
9:26. People were still coming on toVirginiaTech. Students were
still make there way to class. After the 2shootingat 9:45 a lock
down order was given about 15 min later. If a lock down order was
given right after the fristshootingat 7:15 the death toll would have
been much less. The school and the police drop the ball on this one.
In the weeks to come people will lose there jobs over this. There will
be many law suits.
http://angelocracy.com/
http://angelocracy.blogspot.com/
It's about time Americans to turn to spiritual life,in order to
understand the different laws of karma,the self or soul,what happens
after death,the consequences of suicide....instead of just learning
how to make maximum profit in business.
Most people who have done so,are now in complete control of
themselves,their senses and thoughts and are able to help the world
positively.
In times of suffering,we tend to turn to God,though some increase
their hate to Him.
The wise thing to do is to cry for His help,as He will always respond!
http://krishna.com
http://christianveg.org
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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23 Apr 2007 02:36:56 PM |
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"RobertG" <aquarius2060@gmail.com> wrote in message
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It's about time Americans to turn to spiritual life,in order to
understand the different laws of karma,the self or soul,what happens
after death,the consequences of suicide....instead of just learning
how to make maximum profit in business.
Most people who have done so,are now in complete control of
themselves,their senses and thoughts and are able to help the world
positively.
In times of suffering,we tend to turn to God,though some increase
their hate to Him.
The wise thing to do is to cry for His help,as He will always respond!
That's nice - a nice crock of *****!
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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| User: "Nevermore" |
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| Title: Re: Virginia Tech Massacre and Campus Security |
20 Apr 2007 10:11:50 PM |
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In <1177117780.558971.16600@b75g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> RobertG wrote:
The wise thing to do is to cry for His help,as He will always respond!
That's kind of self-serving and a real insult to the other 31 innocent
people who were killed this week don't you think? What kind of response
from him did they get?
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| User: "RobertG" |
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26 Apr 2007 05:42:21 PM |
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On 21 avr, 07:11, Nevermore <bur...@thestake.net> wrote:
In <1177117780.558971.16...@b75g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>RobertG wrote:
The wise thing to do is to cry for His help,as He will always respond!
That's kind of self-serving and a real insult to the other 31 innocent
people who were killed this week don't you think? What kind of response
from him did they get?
There's no such thing as "innocent" victims!
Can you see their past lives?
God is all justice,if you believe in Him,and His law of karma works
wonderfully:eye for eye-tooth for tooth-bullet for bullet....We can
suppose that the victims were,in past life,in Vietnam,shooting
Vietcongs,thinking God and His laws don't exist...
but such common belief is only ...a belief....the laws of karma
doesn't forgive!
One has to suffer the same sufferings inflicted upon other living
beings,including those on four legs....Believing your Bible,that says
it's ok to kill animals won't save you from being killed in due
time...even if you don't believe in reincarnation!
Sentimental people tend to imagine children and youths as
"innocent",but it's just not so....Have you seen Hitler as a baby?
cute,isn't he?With time,he revealed himself....and if we could see his
past lives...he already trained to be a dictator...
Such events should be an occasion to go deep into the study of genuine
religion instead of false ones,if you wish to be free from this cycle
of misery called life!
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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26 Apr 2007 08:18:28 PM |
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On 26 Apr 2007 15:42:21 -0700, RobertG <aquarius2060@gmail.com> wrote:
On 21 avr, 07:11, Nevermore <bur...@thestake.net> wrote:
In <1177117780.558971.16...@b75g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>RobertG wrote:
The wise thing to do is to cry for His help,as He will always respond!
That's kind of self-serving and a real insult to the other 31 innocent
people who were killed this week don't you think? What kind of response
from him did they get?
There's no such thing as "innocent" victims!
Can you see their past lives?
Oh, gee, another one got out of the asylum.
<plonk>
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