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Visions of the Good Life |
Visions of the Good Life
Freud, Lewis, and the Question of God
Tonight and next Wednesday PBS will air the two-part series "The Question
of God." It's based on the book The Question of God written by my good
friend Harvard professor Dr. Armand Nicholi, based, in turn, on his course
which he has taught at Harvard for the last twenty-five years. The
Question of God compares the secular worldview of Sigmund Freud and the
biblical worldview of C. S. Lewis.
Lewis and Freud both attempted to answer the question, "What does it mean
to live the good life?" And no two thinkers brought stronger, more
diametrically opposed answers to that question. Freud talked about the
"pleasure principle." He believed that sexual freedom gave the greatest
pleasure and, therefore, the greatest happiness. So Freud saw sexual
repression as the enemy of humanity. Therefore, he thought it was healthy
and even exhilarating to challenge existing moral restraints. That
philosophy had an enormous influence on the existentialists of the 1960s.
Camus, Sartre, and others took Freud's principles, along with those of
Kinsey and others, and threw off all restraints. Like Freud, they believed
life had no ultimate meaning except their own pleasure.
Unlike the doctrinaire atheists of today, Freud admitted that the people
who practiced moral rectitude did seem to be happier. He envied Christians
for their belief in God and the moral law because they seem to live
happier lives. But, he said, they were just engaged in wish fulfillment
because there wasn't any moral truth and there wasn't any God.
Lewis, on the other hand, wrote "for any happiness, even in this world,
quite a lot of restraint is going to be necessary [and] . . . surrender to
all our desires leads to . . . everything that is the reverse of health."
Lewis argued that there is the Tao, the moral law that governs all people
at all times. The good life for Lewis was the moral life lived in harmony
with the Tao, in harmony with the way God created reality. Moral
relativism, he argued, would lead to a life of unhappiness and a lack of
human fulfillment -- precisely what has happened in modern times.
Nicholi also looks to Lewis and Freud on the question of love. Freud
believed all love was sexual or subliminally sexual. And this
sexualization of love, he believed, marks every relationship we have.
Lewis spent his life diagnosing what love is. Writing in The Four Loves,
he explored the whole idea of agape love, a love that is self-sacrificing.
That kind of love was utterly incomprehensible to Freud as it would be to
any materialist. If this world is all there is, self-sacrifice is never in
our best interest.
Both the book and program build on Nicholi's experience in the classroom.
His analysis and arguments are tried and true through his work with
generations of students.
And that is why I want to encourage you to tune in to the series and read
the book. As you do, focus in on what Freud and Lewis say about the good
life and about love. You'll discover that their answers to these
fundamental questions made all the difference in their lives.
And that's the acid test, isn't it? Freud was miserable much of his life,
living according to his worldview. Lewis found joy and meaning in his. And
the choice between Freud's worldview and Lewis's makes all the difference
today in our lives.
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For further reading and information:
Dr. Armand Nicholi, The Question of God: C. S. Lewis and Sigmund Freud
Debate God, Love, Sex, and the Meaning of Life (Free Press, 2002).
Learn more about the PBS program "The Question of God." Find out where and
when the program will air in your area.
PBS has provided a free discussion guide. (Adobe Acrobat Reader required.)
Buy the video or DVD of the PBS program "The Question of God."
Find out the address and phone number of your local PBS station and thank
them for airing "The Question of God."
BreakPoint Commentary No. 040914, "'The Question of God': The PBS Show."
See the section on C. S. Lewis's The Four Loves from the PBS show. Read an
excerpt from chapter six.
C. S. Lewis, The Four Loves (1960).
C. S. Lewis, Surprised by Joy (1955). Read an excerpt from chapter
fourteen.
BreakPoint Commentary No. 040412, "Everything Old Is New Again: C. S.
Lewis and the Argument from Reason."
David K. Naugle, Th. D., "The Good Life," Worldview Church eReport,
February/March 2004.
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| User: "Lars Eighner" |
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24 Jun 2007 02:25:05 PM |
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In our last episode, <8IidnUlFssMf6OPbnZ2dnUVZ_uvinZ2d@giganews.com>, the
lovely and talented St. Jack NopetheDopeofapes broadcast on alt.atheism:
Visions of the Good Life
The good life is free of theocracy. Say, have you got a line on where
those WMDs are that your god-boy Bush told us so much about and that his
poodle Blair atested to?
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Countdown: 575 days to go.
Owing to googlegroups not screening users to eliminate spammers and other
USENET abusers, I do not see most posts from googlegroups.
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24 Jun 2007 02:46:53 PM |
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"Lars Eighner" <usenet@larseighner.com> wrote in message news:slrnf7thab.2bgd.usenet@goodwill.larseighner.com...
.. Visions of the Good Life
.. Freud, Lewis, and the Question of God
Tonight and next Wednesday PBS will air the two-part series "The Question
of God." It's based on the book The Question of God written by my good
friend Harvard professor Dr. Armand Nicholi, based, in turn, on his course
which he has taught at Harvard for the last twenty-five years. The
Question of God compares the secular worldview of Sigmund Freud and the
biblical worldview of C. S. Lewis.
Lewis and Freud both attempted to answer the question, "What does it mean
to live the good life?" And no two thinkers brought stronger, more
diametrically opposed answers to that question. Freud talked about the
"pleasure principle." He believed that sexual freedom gave the greatest
pleasure and, therefore, the greatest happiness. So Freud saw sexual
repression as the enemy of humanity. Therefore, he thought it was healthy
and even exhilarating to challenge existing moral restraints. That
philosophy had an enormous influence on the existentialists of the 1960s.
Camus, Sartre, and others took Freud's principles, along with those of
Kinsey and others, and threw off all restraints. Like Freud, they believed
life had no ultimate meaning except their own pleasure.
Unlike the doctrinaire atheists of today, Freud admitted that the people
who practiced moral rectitude did seem to be happier. He envied Christians
for their belief in God and the moral law because they seem to live
happier lives. But, he said, they were just engaged in wish fulfillment
because there wasn't any moral truth and there wasn't any God.
Lewis, on the other hand, wrote "for any happiness, even in this world,
quite a lot of restraint is going to be necessary [and] . . . surrender to
all our desires leads to . . . everything that is the reverse of health."
Lewis argued that there is the Tao, the moral law that governs all people
at all times. The good life for Lewis was the moral life lived in harmony
with the Tao, in harmony with the way God created reality. Moral
relativism, he argued, would lead to a life of unhappiness and a lack of
human fulfillment -- precisely what has happened in modern times.
Nicholi also looks to Lewis and Freud on the question of love. Freud
believed all love was sexual or subliminally sexual. And this
sexualization of love, he believed, marks every relationship we have.
Lewis spent his life diagnosing what love is. Writing in The Four Loves,
he explored the whole idea of agape love, a love that is self-sacrificing.
That kind of love was utterly incomprehensible to Freud as it would be to
any materialist. If this world is all there is, self-sacrifice is never in
our best interest.
Both the book and program build on Nicholi's experience in the classroom.
His analysis and arguments are tried and true through his work with
generations of students.
And that is why I want to encourage you to tune in to the series and read
the book. As you do, focus in on what Freud and Lewis say about the good
life and about love. You'll discover that their answers to these
fundamental questions made all the difference in their lives.
And that's the acid test, isn't it? Freud was miserable much of his life,
living according to his worldview. Lewis found joy and meaning in his. And
the choice between Freud's worldview and Lewis's makes all the difference
today in our lives.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
For further reading and information:
Dr. Armand Nicholi, The Question of God: C. S. Lewis and Sigmund Freud
Debate God, Love, Sex, and the Meaning of Life (Free Press, 2002).
Learn more about the PBS program "The Question of God." Find out where and
when the program will air in your area.
PBS has provided a free discussion guide. (Adobe Acrobat Reader required.)
Buy the video or DVD of the PBS program "The Question of God."
Find out the address and phone number of your local PBS station and thank
them for airing "The Question of God."
BreakPoint Commentary No. 040914, "'The Question of God': The PBS Show."
See the section on C. S. Lewis's The Four Loves from the PBS show. Read an
excerpt from chapter six.
C. S. Lewis, The Four Loves (1960).
C. S. Lewis, Surprised by Joy (1955). Read an excerpt from chapter
fourteen.
BreakPoint Commentary No. 040412, "Everything Old Is New Again: C. S.
Lewis and the Argument from Reason."
David K. Naugle, Th. D., "The Good Life," Worldview Church eReport,
February/March 2004.
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