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Topic: Religions > Atheism
User: "atl"
Date: 21 Dec 2007 01:52:23 AM
Object: Volunteers Needed!
What: My name is Adam Tod Leverton and I am searching for volunteers
to test a new lifestyle philosophy, called Byen Vidnasa, that I have
invented. This philosophy is based on various traditions, and has at
its core, the idea that if you do a few simple things, you can live a
more spiritually fulfilling life and you will be happier. That this
the theory, but it has never been tested, other than by me. So I
would like to find spiritually adventurous people to help test it.
Imagine, people say that Christian or Buddhism, or whatever sort of
religion helps people, but no one has ever tested this. Remember,
these are techniques, not beliefs. You can believe in God and do
this, not believe in God and do this, or believe in your shoe. It
doesn't matter. If you agree, you will be required to follow the
guidelines of the Byen Vidnasa for one year. If you feel brave, and
want to help the spiritual development of humanity, for more
information go to http://www.freewebs.com/vidnasa/index.htm
.

User: "Diagoras"

Title: Re: Volunteers Needed! 21 Dec 2007 02:18:29 AM
"atl" <vidnasa@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:3bf7a9c9-fc53-4e94-b7a1-cdc79336901c@e6g2000prf.googlegroups.com...

If you agree, you will be required to follow the guidelines of the Byen
Vidnasa for one year.

You are required to shut the ***** up, and sell your crap somewhere else!
.

User: "Robibnikoff"

Title: Re: Volunteers Needed! 21 Dec 2007 10:57:21 AM
"atl" <vidnasa@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:3bf7a9c9-fc53-4e94-b7a1-cdc79336901c@e6g2000prf.googlegroups.com...

What: My name is Adam Tod Leverton and I am searching for volunteers
to test a new lifestyle philosophy, called Byen Vidnasa, that I have
invented. This philosophy is based on various traditions, and has at
its core, the idea that if you do a few simple things, you can live a
more spiritually fulfilling life and you will be happier. That this
the theory, but it has never been tested, other than by me. So I
would like to find spiritually adventurous people to help test it.
Imagine, people say that Christian or Buddhism, or whatever sort of
religion helps people, but no one has ever tested this. Remember,
these are techniques, not beliefs. You can believe in God and do
this, not believe in God and do this, or believe in your shoe. It
doesn't matter. If you agree, you will be required to follow the
guidelines of the Byen Vidnasa for one year. If you feel brave, and
want to help the spiritual development of humanity, for more
information go to http://www.freewebs.com/vidnasa/index.htm

<Looks at website>
Oh, HELL no.
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
.

User: "Savageduck"

Title: Re: Volunteers Needed! 09 Jan 2008 11:07:11 PM
On 2007-12-20 23:52:23 -0800, atl <vidnasa@yahoo.com> said:

What: My name is Adam Tod Leverton and I am searching for volunteers
to test a new lifestyle philosophy, called Byen Vidnasa

Asandiv Neyb??? No, it doesn't work backwards either.
Aah ***** it! Kool Aid anyone?
.
User: "Don Martin"

Title: Re: Volunteers Needed! 10 Jan 2008 09:28:49 PM
On Wed, 9 Jan 2008 21:07:11 -0800, Savageduck <savageduck@savage.net> wrote:

On 2007-12-20 23:52:23 -0800, atl <vidnasa@yahoo.com> said:

What: My name is Adam Tod Leverton and I am searching for volunteers
to test a new lifestyle philosophy, called Byen Vidnasa


Asandiv Neyb??? No, it doesn't work backwards either.

Aah ***** it! Kool Aid anyone?

You gots purple?
#2278 If you can't be a dirty old man, what is the point of being an old man?
Through a jaundiced eye darkly--rheum with a view.
The Squeeky Wheel http://home.comcast.net/~drdonmartin/
.
User: "atl"

Title: Re: Volunteers Needed! 11 Jan 2008 01:59:03 AM
Funny how I could go on infinitely replying to your attacks on my
character, my intelligence, my manners, etc. I won't waste my time,
or yours. I am writing this final post for those who actually raised
valid criticsims. I thank those who at least debated with me in a
considerate manner. For the rest, the majority of you have never had
to pay one dime for spam. So if you compare it to having someone pooh
on your carpet and steal your car, this just means you have led a
pretty fortunate life and nothing really bad has ever happened to
you. Hyperbole looks great on the screen, but doesn't actually prove
anything. The internet is a public place. Spam can be compared to a
guy who tries to hand you a pamphlet on the street. He could be
selling you a topless bar or Jesus. Would you beat that guy up?
Would you say that his presence, his activities were like theft, or
vandalism? No, you would simply walk away. And as I have now
replied, three times, to your comments, this means that I did not spam
you so this part of our conversation is entirely irrelevant.
Why can't I pay you for participating in my experiement? Two
reasons. I don't make 365, 000 dollars a year. The second is, if I
were to pay you, the results wouldn't be objective. Why would you
want to take part in such an experiment? Because it could increase
your general level of happiness.
(a few) Links about scientific studies of happiness, which as you can
see, is a scientific field of some interest-
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/3157570.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/happiness_formula/4785402.stm
http://www.danielpipes.org/comments/37888 (this is a comment, but I
couldn't find the original study online)
http://www.iim-edu.org/polls/GrossNationalHappinessSurvey.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gross_national_happiness
This last link contains the story on which I base my claim that
religious people are happier than those who are not. It was published
in National Geographic, November 2005, and contains, I believe
original research. The article is about longevity, and the places in
the world where people live the longest. It concludes that there are
many factors to longevity, but the main factors are diet, mental
attitude (i.e. happiness) , and spiritual participation of some sort.
http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/0511/feature1/index.html
As you can see, I have really thought about this. My system is based
on science and I am looking for people to test it.
Of course, as such an experiement has never been done before in
history, I can understand your reservations. I am genuine and I am
not a con. If I said to you my system works, you should try it and
you'll be happier, that would be a con, because I have no idea whether
it works or not.
In conclusion, if you want to be a part of the first scientific study
of a spiritual system, contact me. If not, good luck with your
endeavors.
.
User: "Robibnikoff"

Title: Re: Volunteers Needed! 11 Jan 2008 08:40:51 AM
"atl" <vidnasa@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:a6cdae4a-acab-4ae2-aeb9-bbbb5893f7cf@j78g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...

Funny how I could go on infinitely replying to your attacks on my
character, my intelligence, my manners, etc.

No, it's not funny. It's pathetic. Byeeeeeeeeeeeee, Spammer!
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
.
User: "V"

Title: Re: Volunteers Needed! 11 Jan 2008 06:24:11 PM
On Jan 11, 9:40=EF=BF=BDam, "Robibnikoff" <witchy...@broomstick.com> wrote:

"atl" <vidn...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

news:a6cdae4a-acab-4ae2-aeb9-bbbb5893f7cf@j78g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...

Funny how I could go on infinitely replying to your attacks on my
character, my intelligence, my manners, etc.


No, it's not funny. =EF=BF=BDIt's pathetic. Byeeeeeeeeeeeee, Spammer!
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557

Pathetic?
Well, pathetic is in the eye of the beholder. I'm sure some people
think the same about you or me.
We should never find happiness in destroying others belief systems.
Nor can we find peace in the destruction or hatred of others. Educate
with love and compassion Robyn.
When I posted this before Raven brought up the Nazis and should we
just let the Nazis belief systems flourish?
Whatever I write about has to be balanced with practicality and some
wisdom. When I write "We should never find happiness in destroying
others belief systems." I am mainly referring the ongoing battles that
evolve between theists and atheists or theists and other theists.
These groups take pride in destroying others belief or lack of belief
systems many a time. They should put their pride in education for the
love of humanity and not in the former of ego gratification by hurting
others...if they desire to be at peace within.
As far as Nazis and the like?
My words do not mean we have to not be concerned with danger to our
well being by another, but, it also reminds us we will never be at
peace by fostering hatred for another. Sure protect yourself, but find
no happiness in killing other living beings even if the killing is out
of self defense, if you wish to be at peace within.
Take care,
V (Male)
Agnostic Freethinker
Practical Philosopher
Futurist
Urban Homesteader
Agnostic minister of secular humanism to the mind-
manacled...spiritually sick...defiance based atheist.
AA#2
.


User: "Neil Kelsey"

Title: Re: Volunteers Needed! 11 Jan 2008 10:30:51 AM
On Jan 10, 11:59=A0pm, atl <vidn...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Funny how I could go on infinitely replying to your attacks on my
character, my intelligence, my manners, etc. =A0I won't waste my time,
or yours. =A0I am writing this final post for those who actually raised
valid criticsims. =A0I thank those who at least debated with me in a
considerate manner. =A0For the rest, the majority of you have never had
to pay one dime for spam. =A0So if you compare it to having someone pooh
on your carpet and steal your car, this just means you have led a
pretty fortunate life and nothing really bad has ever happened to
you. =A0Hyperbole looks great on the screen, but doesn't actually prove
anything. =A0The internet is a public place. =A0Spam can be compared to a
guy who tries to hand you a pamphlet on the street. =A0He could be
selling you a topless bar or Jesus. =A0Would you beat that guy up?
Would you say that his presence, his activities were like theft, or
vandalism? =A0No, you would simply walk away. =A0And as I have now
replied, three times, to your comments, this means that I did not spam
you so this part of our conversation is entirely irrelevant.

You're here trying to do a sales job, which is what spam is.

Why can't I pay you for participating in my experiement? =A0Two
reasons. =A0I don't make 365, 000 dollars a year. =A0The second is, if I
were to pay you, the results wouldn't be objective. =A0Why would you
want to take part in such an experiment? =A0Because it could increase
your general level of happiness.

So it's not really an experiment then, is it, if you say you already
*know* the results? Con artist.

(a few) Links about scientific studies of happiness, which as you can
see, is a scientific field of some interest-

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/3157570.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/happiness_formula/4785402.stm

http://www.danielpipes.org/comments/37888=A0(this is a comment, but I
couldn't find the original study online)

http://www.iim-edu.org/polls/GrossNationalHappinessSurvey.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gross_national_happiness

This last link contains the story on which I base my claim that
religious people are happier than those who are not.

Okay, I looked at the last link, and here's part of the article:
"Critics allege that because GNH (Gross National Happiness) depends on
a series of subjective judgements about well-being, governments may be
able to define GNH in a way that suits their interests. In the case of
Bhutan, for instance, they say that the government expelled about one
hundred thousand people and stripped them of their Bhutanese
citizenship on the grounds that the deportees were ethnic Nepalese who
had settled in the country illegally.[2] [3] While this would reduce
Bhutan's wealth by most traditional measures such as GDP, the Bhutan
government claims it has not reduced Bhutan's GNH."
Con artist.
=A0It was published

in National Geographic, November 2005, and contains, I believe
original research. =A0The article is about longevity, and the places in
the world where people live the longest. =A0It concludes that there are
many factors to longevity, but the main factors are diet, mental
attitude (i.e. happiness) , and spiritual participation of some sort.

http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/0511/feature1/index.html

As you can see, I have really thought about this.

You've thought about how to milk gullible people from their assets.

=A0My system is based
on science and I am looking for people to test it.
Of course, as such an experiement has never been done before in
history, I can understand your reservations. =A0I am genuine and I am
not a con. =A0If I said to you my system works, you should try it and
you'll be happier, that would be a con, because I have no idea whether
it works or not.

You're contradicting yourself. Above you say that taking part in your
experiment would increase my general level of happiness, and now you
say you have no idea if that is true.

In conclusion, if you want to be a part of the first scientific study
of a spiritual system, contact me. =A0If not, good luck with your
endeavors.

.

User: "Michael Gray"

Title: Re: Volunteers Needed! 11 Jan 2008 02:59:05 AM
On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 23:59:03 -0800 (PST), atl <vidnasa@yahoo.com>
wrote:

Funny how I could go on infinitely replying to your attacks on my
character, my intelligence, my manners, etc. I won't waste my time,
or yours. I am writing this final post for those who actually raised
valid criticsims. I thank those who at least debated with me in a
considerate manner. For the rest, the majority of you have never had
to pay one dime for spam. So if you compare it to having someone pooh
on your carpet and steal your car, this just means you have led a
pretty fortunate life and nothing really bad has ever happened to
you. Hyperbole looks great on the screen, but doesn't actually prove
anything. The internet is a public place. Spam can be compared to a
guy who tries to hand you a pamphlet on the street. He could be
selling you a topless bar or Jesus. Would you beat that guy up?
Would you say that his presence, his activities were like theft, or
vandalism?

Yes, I would, and I *DO*.
.

User: "Kelsey Bjarnason"

Title: Re: Volunteers Needed! 13 Jan 2008 03:38:50 PM
On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 23:59:03 -0800, atl wrote:

Funny how I could go on infinitely replying to your attacks on my
character, my intelligence, my manners, etc. I won't waste my time,
or yours. I am writing this final post for those who actually raised
valid criticsims. I thank those who at least debated with me in a
considerate manner. For the rest, the majority of you have never had
to pay one dime for spam.

$20,000 a year is not paying one dime? Coulda fooled me. And guess who
gets to pay more for internet access as a result of those costs? Oh,
right, every single one of our users.
And that is just examining the costs to filter out spam once it arrives.
With up to 15,000 spams per minute arriving, well, let's work out the
math, shall we?
The average spam in my spam folder at the moment comes out to about 10K.
Let's use that as our baseline. Average over the year is some 300 spams
per minute.
So, 300 spams per minute, at 10K a piece. What's that work out to in
terms of traffic? It's 3 MB per minute. 180MB per hour. 4.3GB per day.
129.6 GB per 30-day period.
That's 130 GB of traffic per month _just to receive the spams_. Someone
pays for that bandwidth - and this only counts the ones actually detected
by the spam filters, not the ones that get by.
Let's do a little more pondering. In order to detect the spams, we use a
whole variety of techniques. We use RBLs, for example, but those mean
more bandwidth consumed to do queries on the RBL servers. Ones that make
it past these need to be scanned for content, which is a slow process -
and also makes several bandwidth-chewing queries.
It turns out only about 1% of the messages make it past the RBL and other
inbound stages and require content analysis, but that means scanning some
three emails per minute. Okay, three per minute is hardly a big deal,
right?
Problem is, we can't limit ourselves to the average case; we have to be
prepared for the onslaughts, too - the cases where there are 15,000 spams
per minute, not just 300. Those cases mean scanning upwards of 150 emails
per minute.
Hmm. Content-scanning, complete with all the other processing done to
detect spams, takes about 5 seconds per spam on average, meaning we have
to do 750 seconds worth of scanning... in less than 60 seconds. If we
don't, then legitimate mail gets backed up as it waits for the spams to be
processed.
This in turn means we now have to dedicate entire machines - multiple
machines - to doing nothing but scanning spam. Which means buying,
installing, monitoring and maintaining those machines. If the machines
used cost some $5,000 a piece and we need four of 'em to do the job,
that's a $20,000 purchase cost, plus the cost of the sysadmin time in
setting them up and maintaining them, plus the fact we'll need more as we
expand, we'll need to replace 'em every few years, etc.
Which means we're looking at costs of $30,000 and up every couple of
years, just to deal with spam. Yes, that brings the cost down to
something closer to $10,000 per year from the $20,000 and climbing that it
was, but it's far from free - and spam is *increasing* on average, not
decreasing, meaning the costs keep going up, just not as fast as they
would with our previous approach - and that $10,000 per year doesn't
include bandwidth costs, which are far from free.
Meanwhile, that's just us, and we're a comparatively small fish. There
are other companies locally which provide such services to easily ten
times the user base we have. Granted you can save some due to economy of
scale, but at least one has entire banks of servers _for each service
region_, to do nothing but filter spam. They have spam-fighting costs
exceeding $100,000 per year.
And guess what? Every single penny of that, in one way or another, gets
passed on to the customer, so your "the majority of you have never had to
pay one dime for spam" is wildly naive.

you. Hyperbole looks great on the screen, but doesn't actually prove
anything.

Reality, however, does, and reality is that spam is a very expensive
scourge which costs users, collectively, *billions* of dollars per year
worldwide and benefits nobody but the spammers.

The internet is a public place. Spam can be compared to a
guy who tries to hand you a pamphlet on the street.

No, it's not.
The guy handing out pamphlets is a self-limiting phenomenon, spam isn't.
The guy handing out pamphlets has to actually pay to produce them. Even
if he own a print shop, he's still paying for the paper, the ink, the
electricity. Every single copy he hands out has a direct cost to him,
even if it's only a tenth of a cent, and he can only hand one copy to one
person.
The spammer, by contrast, faces no such limitations. The cost of
production of a spam is close enough to zero to not matter. The same spam
can be delivered to one person or to 100 million. He never has to worry
about running out of paper or ink, never has to pay for paper or ink, his
cost of production and delivery are nearly zero.
A newsgroup spam, for example, involves a total cost of the time spent to
write it and maybe a cent of bandwidth to post it if he spams it across
many groups... yet it gets propagated to thousands or hundreds of thousands
of news servers around the world, where it becomes viewable by an audience
of potentially millions of people.
The pamphlet cost a tenth of a cent to produce and reaches an audience of
one or two, maybe a half dozen people. The spam costs a tenth of that to
produce and reaches an audience numbered in the millions - there's simply
no comparison.
However, there's another difference. The guy flogging the pamphlet
assumes the entire cost of the process. He has to create it, print it,
hand it out or pay someone to deliver it. The recipient doesn't pay him
for a copy, they get it free.
With spam, the cost is the other way around: no single user pays a
significant amount to receive it, but we all pay something for it, in
bandwidth costs, in filtering costs, in storage costs. The producer of
the spam reduces his costs to nearly zero and dramatically increases his
effectiveness, but he does so by making a million or more people pay for
it, people who don't *want* to pay for it, thank you very much.
That said, the simplest refutation of your analogy is to point out that if
pamphleting were comparable to spamming, we wouldn't have spammers -
instead we'd have an endless parade of people on the streets handing out
Viagra and Cialis pamphlets, pamphlets on how to enlarge your penis or
improve your love life, etc, etc, etc.
The very fact we _don't_ see this is quite sufficient to make the point:
there are compelling reasons why the spammer spams rather than handing out
pamphlets on the street. The reason is simple: with spam, he can reach
millions for virtually no cost. With pamphlets, simply printing a million
copies, never mind distributing them, would probably bankrupt him.

you would simply walk away. And as I have now replied, three times, to
your comments, this means that I did not spam you

The fact you responded doesn't mean you didn't spam, it simply means you
responded.

Why can't I pay you for participating in my experiement?

Because that would be honest, and spammers aren't honest. If they were,
they wouldn't be spammers.

As you can see, I have really thought about this.

Enough so as to rely on the most despised method of communication to tell
people about it. Yeah, really effective thinking.
.



User: "atl"

Title: Re: Volunteers Needed! 10 Jan 2008 03:40:19 AM
There seems to be two points here. The spam thing and about my idea.
First, I'm talking to you all so that means I didn't blindly spam
you. The second thing is, I have no problem with spam. I delete it
if I'm not interested. I'm not upset by your hostility. I"m just
surprised. I'm a big boy, I can handle it. I think that there is a
little bit of a difference between me spaming and shitting on your
carpet. For one thing, me spaming you doesn't cost any money.
Cleaning carpets costs an arm and a leg.
The second point, the more important one is about my idea. You can
measure happiness. There are experiements which have been done to
establish things like where the happinest people live and what kind of
lifestyles they lead. In Bhuthan, they even have a happiness index.
It has also been proven that religious people are happier. I can't
myself believe in a lot of religious things, so I came up with a way
of keeping the benefits of religion while hopefully getting rid of the
negative aspects. You think I'm trying to con you, but if I could
find volunteers to do the experiment, and if it turned out that it
didn't work, then I would abandon it, because obviously, then, I've
proved that it doesn't work. You can believe me or not. If it did
work, I would take my idea and make money from it. No one works for
nothing. And the last thing is, I called it a religion for a lack of
a better word. It's a series of practices which have been taken from
various religions. It is not a set of beliefs that you must
believe.
.
User: "Robibnikoff"

Title: Re: Volunteers Needed! 10 Jan 2008 03:58:59 AM
"atl" <vidnasa@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:419d5083-ecad-4368-8850-e519a9495e35@k39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...

There seems to be two points here. The spam thing and about my idea.
First, I'm talking to you all so that means I didn't blindly spam
you. The second thing is, I have no problem with spam.

Oh my goodness, DO shut up.
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
.

User: "Neil Kelsey"

Title: Re: Volunteers Needed! 10 Jan 2008 11:18:08 AM
On Jan 10, 1:40=A0am, atl <vidn...@yahoo.com> wrote:

There seems to be two points here. =A0The spam thing and about my idea.
First, I'm talking to you all so that means I didn't blindly spam
you. =A0The second thing is, I have no problem with spam. =A0I delete it
if I'm not interested. I'm not upset by your hostility. =A0I"m just
surprised. =A0I'm a big boy, I can handle it. =A0I think that there is a
little bit of a difference between me spaming and shitting on your
carpet. =A0For one thing, me spaming you doesn't cost any money.
Cleaning carpets costs an arm and a leg.

So because you don't mind spam that means you can go ahead and spam
people who have already expressed the desire that they not be spammed.
Seems inconsiderate to me, not unlike shitting on someone's carpet-
which was the point, and the cleaning bill is irrelevant.

The second point, the more important one is about my idea. =A0You can
measure happiness. =A0There are experiements which have been done to
establish things like where the happinest people live and what kind of
lifestyles they lead.

What experiments? Were they peer reviewed? Or were they from some self-
interested religious institution? Have you got a link?

=A0In Bhuthan, they even have a happiness index.
It has also been proven that religious people are happier.

Where has that ever been proven? Give me a link. Otherwise, you are
arguing by assertion, which is a tool of a con artist.

=A0I can't
myself believe in a lot of religious things, so I came up with a way
of keeping the benefits of religion while hopefully getting rid of the
negative aspects. =A0You think I'm trying to con you, but if I could
find volunteers to do the experiment, and if it turned out that it
didn't work, then I would abandon it, because obviously, then, I've
proved that it doesn't work.

That's not your goal, however. You want to get "volunteers," you don't
care about the "experiment," you are just hoping that if you get
enough "volunteers" some of them will buy what you're selling, and you
don't give a rat's ***** about the ones that don't. You've already said
it's been proven that religious people are happier, so obviously you
don't need to perform any experiment to prove a conclusion that you
"know" other experiments have already reached.

=A0You can believe me or not.

Not.

If it did
work, I would take my idea and make money from it. =A0No one works for
nothing. =A0And the last thing is, I called it a religion for a lack of
a better word. =A0It's a series of practices which have been taken from
various religions. =A0It is not a set of beliefs that you must
believe.

Pay me $100/day for a year and I'll try it. Like you say, no one works
for nothing.
.

User: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gwyne=F0_Bennetdottir?="

Title: Re: Volunteers Needed! 10 Jan 2008 11:22:34 AM
On Jan 10, 4:40=A0am, atl <vidn...@yahoo.com> wrote:

There seems to be two points here. =A0

1. You're a thoughtless spammer.
2. You and your SPAM don't belong in alt.atheism.
[...]
.

User: ""

Title: Re: Volunteers Needed! 12 Jan 2008 12:49:45 PM
On Jan 10, 4:40=A0am, atl <vidn...@yahoo.com> wrote:

There seems to be two points here. =A0The spam thing and about my idea.
First, I'm talking to you all so that means I didn't blindly spam
you. =A0The second thing is, I have no problem with spam. =A0I delete it
if I'm not interested. I'm not upset by your hostility. =A0I"m just
surprised. =A0I'm a big boy, I can handle it. =A0I think that there is a
little bit of a difference between me spaming and shitting on your
carpet. =A0For one thing, me spaming you doesn't cost any money.
Cleaning carpets costs an arm and a leg.

You still don't get it, do you? Here's an experiment for ya....go over
to soc.african.american and say you can help black folks learn to
swim. Use the n-word when you do it.
It's not just the spam, it's the *insult*. There is no `empty space'
where my religion used to be. I need nothing to "replace" it. The
insinuation that someone cannot be happy or healthy without some sort
of "spiritual" mumbo-jumbo is insulting to people who've outgrown such
nonsense.
-Panama Floyd, Atlanta.
aa#2015/KoBAAWA!
.
User: "Michael Gray"

Title: Re: Volunteers Needed! 12 Jan 2008 11:44:00 PM
On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 10:49:45 -0800 (PST),

wrote:

On Jan 10, 4:40 am, atl <vidn...@yahoo.com> wrote:

There seems to be two points here.  The spam thing and about my idea.
First, I'm talking to you all so that means I didn't blindly spam
you.  The second thing is, I have no problem with spam.  I delete it
if I'm not interested. I'm not upset by your hostility.  I"m just
surprised.  I'm a big boy, I can handle it.  I think that there is a
little bit of a difference between me spaming and shitting on your
carpet.  For one thing, me spaming you doesn't cost any money.
Cleaning carpets costs an arm and a leg.


You still don't get it, do you? Here's an experiment for ya....go over
to soc.african.american and say you can help black folks learn to
swim. Use the n-word when you do it.

Let's hope he/she does.
Then follows it up by going into a Hell's Angels compound and telling
that they need "spam" on Kawasaki motorcycles.

It's not just the spam, it's the *insult*. There is no `empty space'
where my religion used to be. I need nothing to "replace" it. The
insinuation that someone cannot be happy or healthy without some sort
of "spiritual" mumbo-jumbo is insulting to people who've outgrown such
nonsense.

-Panama Floyd, Atlanta.
aa#2015/KoBAAWA!

.

User: "Apostate"

Title: Re: Volunteers Needed! 12 Jan 2008 01:53:28 PM
On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 10:49:45 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

On Jan 10, 4:40am, atl <vidn...@yahoo.com> wrote:

There seems to be two points here. The spam thing and about my idea.
First, I'm talking to you all so that means I didn't blindly spam
you. The second thing is, I have no problem with spam. I delete it
if I'm not interested. I'm not upset by your hostility. I"m just
surprised. I'm a big boy, I can handle it. I think that there is a
little bit of a difference between me spaming and shitting on your
carpet. For one thing, me spaming you doesn't cost any money.
Cleaning carpets costs an arm and a leg.


You still don't get it, do you? Here's an experiment for ya....go over
to soc.african.american and say you can help black folks learn to
swim. Use the n-word when you do it.

It's not just the spam, it's the *insult*. There is no `empty space'
where my religion used to be. I need nothing to "replace" it. The
insinuation that someone cannot be happy or healthy without some sort
of "spiritual" mumbo-jumbo is insulting to people who've outgrown such
nonsense.

Allow me to dissent from the pov that any content in his spam has any relevance in deciding
whether it had a right to be posted at all.
If there isn't a ng alt.spam-only-permitted, he should found it, so there will be a place in
Usenet where his posting is not a priori in violation, and deserving of being hidden from all
potential marks^h^h^h^h^hreaders.


-Panama Floyd, Atlanta.
aa#2015/KoBAAWA!

--
Apostate a.a. #1931
..sig currently undergoing maintenance
--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
.


User: "Michael Gray"

Title: Re: Volunteers Needed! 10 Jan 2008 04:44:25 AM
On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 01:40:19 -0800 (PST), atl <vidnasa@yahoo.com>
wrote:

There seems to be two points here. The spam thing and about my idea.
First, I'm talking to you all so that means I didn't blindly spam
you. The second thing is, I have no problem with spam. I delete it
if I'm not interested. I'm not upset by your hostility. I"m just
surprised. I'm a big boy, I can handle it. I think that there is a
little bit of a difference between me spaming and shitting on your
carpet. For one thing, me spaming you doesn't cost any money.
Cleaning carpets costs an arm and a leg.

The second point, the more important one is about my idea. You can
measure happiness. There are experiements which have been done to
establish things like where the happinest people live and what kind of
lifestyles they lead. In Bhuthan, they even have a happiness index.
It has also been proven that religious people are happier. I can't
myself believe in a lot of religious things, so I came up with a way
of keeping the benefits of religion while hopefully getting rid of the
negative aspects. You think I'm trying to con you, but if I could
find volunteers to do the experiment, and if it turned out that it
didn't work, then I would abandon it, because obviously, then, I've
proved that it doesn't work. You can believe me or not. If it did
work, I would take my idea and make money from it. No one works for
nothing. And the last thing is, I called it a religion for a lack of
a better word. It's a series of practices which have been taken from
various religions. It is not a set of beliefs that you must
believe.

Good luck with finding guinea pigs who will enable your potentially
profit-making scheme for free and let you keep the dough.
I mean that most sincerely.
But generally such trusting gullible mugs are to be found at a church.
.

User: "Mark K. Bilbo"

Title: Re: Volunteers Needed! 10 Jan 2008 08:02:47 AM
On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 01:40:19 -0800, atl wrote:

The second thing is, I have no problem with spam.

And that has to do with how *other* people feel how?
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
------------------------------------------------------------
“The cynics are right nine times out of ten.”
- H. L. Mencken
.

User: "Kelsey Bjarnason"

Title: Re: Volunteers Needed! 10 Jan 2008 01:21:46 PM
On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 01:40:19 -0800, atl wrote:

There seems to be two points here. The spam thing and about my idea.
First, I'm talking to you all so that means I didn't blindly spam
you. The second thing is, I have no problem with spam.

I do. Peak since last February, through the servers I run was over 15,000
spams. Per *minute*.

I delete it if I'm not interested.

So do I, and it was costing upwards of $20,000 per year to do so. Current
methods are almost as effective and somewhat cheaper on an ongoing basis,
but required most of $20,000 in hardware and considerable effort on my
part to achieve.

a little bit of a difference between me spaming and shitting on your
carpet. For one thing, me spaming you doesn't cost any money.

Right now, spamming a newsgroup doesn't cost me anything as there's so
little used volume on the server, but spamming, in general, has been
costing us tens of thousands every year, for a comparatively small number
of users. I assume *you* are offering to pay the costs?

lifestyles they lead. In Bhuthan, they even have a happiness index. It
has also been proven that religious people are happier.

Sure. And people who are drunk are, on average, happier than those who
are sober. Thus we should all run out and get drunk, right?

it doesn't work. You can believe me or not. If it did work, I would
take my idea and make money from it. No one works for nothing.

Except, of course, the volunteers you want to actually get your scheme
validated. They're supposed to work for free.
Funny how that works - nobody works for free, so come work for me for
free. Pretty much defines snake oil sales, doesn't it?
.

User: "Martin"

Title: Re: Volunteers Needed! 11 Jan 2008 02:34:50 PM
atl wrote:

There seems to be two points here. The spam thing and about my idea.
First, I'm talking to you all so that means I didn't blindly spam
you. The second thing is, I have no problem with spam. I delete it
if I'm not interested.

Great, I'll send you all mine if you like, I get between 20,000 and
30,000 a month.


I'm not upset by your hostility. I"m just

surprised. I'm a big boy, I can handle it. I think that there is a
little bit of a difference between me spaming and shitting on your
carpet. For one thing, me spaming you doesn't cost any money.

Yes it does. If there was no spam then AOL has estimated it could charge
$5/month less for connectivity per user.
.
User: "Apostate"

Title: Re: Volunteers Needed! 11 Jan 2008 03:39:07 PM
On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 20:34:50 +0000, Martin <usenet1@etiqa.co.uk> wrote:

atl wrote:

There seems to be two points here. The spam thing and about my idea.
First, I'm talking to you all so that means I didn't blindly spam
you. The second thing is, I have no problem with spam. I delete it
if I'm not interested.


Great, I'll send you all mine if you like, I get between 20,000 and
30,000 a month.


I'm not upset by your hostility. I"m just

surprised. I'm a big boy, I can handle it. I think that there is a
little bit of a difference between me spaming and shitting on your
carpet. For one thing, me spaming you doesn't cost any money.


Yes it does. If there was no spam then AOL has estimated it could charge
$5/month less for connectivity per user.

All of which neglects that time is money. And that that "all he did was violate Usenet and ng
rules by spamming us" would be catastrophic in its consequences if more arrogant dishonest
twats like him followed his disgusting example.
--
Apostate a.a. #1931
..sig currently undergoing maintenance
.




User: "Neil Kelsey"

Title: Re: Volunteers Needed! 21 Dec 2007 01:04:36 PM
On Dec 20, 11:52=A0pm, atl <vidn...@yahoo.com> wrote:

What: =A0My name is Adam Tod Leverton and I am searching for volunteers
to test a new lifestyle philosophy, called Byen Vidnasa, that I have
invented. =A0This philosophy is based on various traditions, and has at
its core, the idea that if you do a few simple things, you can live a
more spiritually fulfilling life and you will be happier. =A0That this
the theory, but it has never been tested, other than by me. =A0So I
would like to find spiritually adventurous people to help test it.
Imagine, people say that Christian or Buddhism, or whatever sort of
religion helps people, but no one has ever tested this. =A0Remember,
these are techniques, not beliefs. =A0You can believe in God and do
this, not believe in God and do this, or believe in your shoe. =A0It
doesn't matter. =A0If you agree, you will be required to follow the
guidelines of the Byen Vidnasa for one year. =A0If you feel brave, and
want to help the spiritual development of humanity, for more
information go tohttp://www.freewebs.com/vidnasa/index.htm

Let's cut to the chase. Are you looking for money?
.
User: "chibiabos"

Title: Re: Volunteers Needed! 21 Dec 2007 04:41:51 PM
In article
<e9002877-4543-4276-8e20-8e73bc3c0c0d@s8g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
Neil Kelsey <neil_kelsey@hotmail.com> wrote:

On Dec 20, 11:52pm, atl <vidn...@yahoo.com> wrote:

What: My name is Adam Tod Leverton and I am searching for volunteers
to test a new lifestyle philosophy, called Byen Vidnasa, that I have
invented. This philosophy is based on various traditions, and has at
its core, the idea that if you do a few simple things, you can live a
more spiritually fulfilling life and you will be happier. That this
the theory, but it has never been tested, other than by me. So I
would like to find spiritually adventurous people to help test it.
Imagine, people say that Christian or Buddhism, or whatever sort of
religion helps people, but no one has ever tested this. Remember,
these are techniques, not beliefs. You can believe in God and do
this, not believe in God and do this, or believe in your shoe. It
doesn't matter. If you agree, you will be required to follow the
guidelines of the Byen Vidnasa for one year. If you feel brave, and
want to help the spiritual development of humanity, for more
information go tohttp://www.freewebs.com/vidnasa/index.htm


Let's cut to the chase. Are you looking for money?

Why doesn't somebody start a religion in which the leaders give the
adherents money? It would be a natural. They'd have worldwide
domination in a matter of weeks!
And, sadly, no fancy buildings.
-chib
--
Member of SMASH
Sarcastic Middle-Aged Atheists with a Sense of Humor
.
User: "Neil Kelsey"

Title: Re: Volunteers Needed! 21 Dec 2007 05:10:02 PM
On Dec 21, 2:41=A0pm, chibiabos <chibia...@nospam.com> wrote:

In article
<e9002877-4543-4276-8e20-8e73bc3c0...@s8g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,





Neil Kelsey <neil_kel...@hotmail.com> wrote:

On Dec 20, 11:52=A0pm, atl <vidn...@yahoo.com> wrote:

What: =A0My name is Adam Tod Leverton and I am searching for volunteer=

s

to test a new lifestyle philosophy, called Byen Vidnasa, that I have
invented. =A0This philosophy is based on various traditions, and has a=

t

its core, the idea that if you do a few simple things, you can live a
more spiritually fulfilling life and you will be happier. =A0That this=
the theory, but it has never been tested, other than by me. =A0So I
would like to find spiritually adventurous people to help test it.
Imagine, people say that Christian or Buddhism, or whatever sort of
religion helps people, but no one has ever tested this. =A0Remember,
these are techniques, not beliefs. =A0You can believe in God and do
this, not believe in God and do this, or believe in your shoe. =A0It
doesn't matter. =A0If you agree, you will be required to follow the
guidelines of the Byen Vidnasa for one year. =A0If you feel brave, and=
want to help the spiritual development of humanity, for more
information go tohttp://www.freewebs.com/vidnasa/index.htm


Let's cut to the chase. Are you looking for money?


Why doesn't somebody start a religion in which the leaders give the
adherents money? It would be a natural. They'd have worldwide
domination in a matter of weeks!

Maybe you're on to something. Instead of whinging about atheists, why
don't they try giving us money? Their other "arguments" (HAHAHHAAA!)
aren't getting them anywhere, and they seem hell bent on having us
believe them. Maybe we can be bought...it's worth a try.
.
User: "V"

Title: Re: Volunteers Needed! 11 Jan 2008 06:17:06 PM
On Dec 21 2007, 6:10=EF=BF=BDpm, Neil Kelsey <neil_kel...@hotmail.com> wrote=
:

On Dec 21, 2:41=EF=BF=BDpm, chibiabos <chibia...@nospam.com> wrote:





In article
<e9002877-4543-4276-8e20-8e73bc3c0...@s8g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,


Neil Kelsey <neil_kel...@hotmail.com> wrote:

On Dec 20, 11:52=EF=BF=BDpm, atl <vidn...@yahoo.com> wrote:

What: =EF=BF=BDMy name is Adam Tod Leverton and I am searching for v=

olunteers

to test a new lifestyle philosophy, called Byen Vidnasa, that I have=
invented. =EF=BF=BDThis philosophy is based on various traditions, a=

nd has at

its core, the idea that if you do a few simple things, you can live =

a

more spiritually fulfilling life and you will be happier. =EF=BF=BDT=

hat this

the theory, but it has never been tested, other than by me. =EF=BF=

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would like to find spiritually adventurous people to help test it.
Imagine, people say that Christian or Buddhism, or whatever sort of
religion helps people, but no one has ever tested this. =EF=BF=BDRem=

ember,

these are techniques, not beliefs. =EF=BF=BDYou can believe in God a=

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ave, and

want to help the spiritual development of humanity, for more
information go tohttp://www.freewebs.com/vidnasa/index.htm


Let's cut to the chase. Are you looking for money?


Why doesn't somebody start a religion in which the leaders give the
adherents money? It would be a natural. They'd have worldwide
domination in a matter of weeks!


Maybe you're on to something. Instead of whinging about atheists, why
don't they try giving us money? Their other "arguments" (HAHAHHAAA!)
aren't getting them anywhere, and they seem hell bent on having us
believe them. Maybe we can be bought...it's worth a try.- Hide quoted text=

-


- Show quoted text -

Ah...you like cutting the red tape Neil. Well have you ever thought
about being more like Mother Teresa? An atheist with a charitable and
kind foundation that works to help people instead of hurting them?
Are there any religious organization in your local you can help out
at? It would make a big impression on the charities to see an atheist
helping out along side theists.
If you would like more information on such organizations to offer your
help, write me direct at

Take care,
V (Male)
Agnostic Freethinker
Practical Philosopher
Futurist
Urban Homesteader
Agnostic minister of secular humanism to the mind-
manacled...spiritually sick...defiance based atheist.
AA#2
.


User: "Michael Gray"

Title: Re: Volunteers Needed! 22 Dec 2007 05:04:40 PM
On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 14:41:51 -0800, chibiabos <chibiabos@nospam.com>
wrote:

In article
<e9002877-4543-4276-8e20-8e73bc3c0c0d@s8g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
Neil Kelsey <neil_kelsey@hotmail.com> wrote:

On Dec 20, 11:52 pm, atl <vidn...@yahoo.com> wrote:

What:  My name is Adam Tod Leverton and I am searching for volunteers
to test a new lifestyle philosophy, called Byen Vidnasa, that I have
invented.  This philosophy is based on various traditions, and has at
its core, the idea that if you do a few simple things, you can live a
more spiritually fulfilling life and you will be happier.  That this
the theory, but it has never been tested, other than by me.  So I
would like to find spiritually adventurous people to help test it.
Imagine, people say that Christian or Buddhism, or whatever sort of
religion helps people, but no one has ever tested this.  Remember,
these are techniques, not beliefs.  You can believe in God and do
this, not believe in God and do this, or believe in your shoe.  It
doesn't matter.  If you agree, you will be required to follow the
guidelines of the Byen Vidnasa for one year.  If you feel brave, and
want to help the spiritual development of humanity, for more
information go tohttp://www.freewebs.com/vidnasa/index.htm


Let's cut to the chase. Are you looking for money?


Why doesn't somebody start a religion in which the leaders give the
adherents money? It would be a natural. They'd have worldwide
domination in a matter of weeks!

It's been done.
It was called "Enron"

And, sadly, no fancy buildings.

Them too!
.
User: "atl"

Title: Re: Volunteers Needed! 09 Jan 2008 07:32:35 AM
Wow. Yes, it is spam, but as a list like this is relatively easy to
spam, I am surprised by the hostility. I am looking for people who
think for themselves. I thought that a list of atheists, usually
defined as people who think, would be a good place to start. Perhaps
I was mistaken. To be honest, yes, I am looking for money. That's
what happens when you have a good idea. You want it to be finacialy
successful. But honestly, I have no idea whether it is a good idea or
not, thus the need for an experiment. Volunteer means no money.
Also, volunteers are required to pay anything. Thus the
word-'volunteer'. Think about it, no religion has been scientifically
tested. None. So any objections to it, are theoretical, and don't
really consider the individual believer. If you have any further
questions about it, you can ask me questions off-list. If you can't
be civil, why bother to open your mouth?
.
User: "Robibnikoff"

Title: Re: Volunteers Needed! 09 Jan 2008 11:52:20 AM
"atl" <vidnasa@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:595a94a0-2ac3-4897-bf95-8a80fc0a9985@21g2000hsj.googlegroups.com...

Wow. Yes, it is spam,

Nuff said. You're a spammer - Why be shocked that you got treated like *****
because of it?
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
.
User: "Christopher A.Lee"

Title: Re: Volunteers Needed! 09 Jan 2008 02:18:37 PM
On Wed, 9 Jan 2008 12:52:20 -0500, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:


"atl" <vidnasa@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:595a94a0-2ac3-4897-bf95-8a80fc0a9985@21g2000hsj.googlegroups.com...

Wow. Yes, it is spam,


Nuff said. You're a spammer - Why be shocked that you got treated like *****
because of it?

The moron is probably a hypocrite who gets annoyed by persistent
telemarkers, voice mail spam etc.
But he's allowed to do it himself.
.







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