Religions > Atheism > Vote to affirm same-sex marriage ignores will of people, bishops say
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"J Young" |
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18 Jun 2007 09:42:56 PM |
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Vote to affirm same-sex marriage ignores will of people, bishops say |
BOSTON, Mass. (CNS) - The Massachusetts Legislature's June 14 vote to
reaffirm same-sex marriage thwarts the will of the citizens and
undermines efforts to protect children, families and society, the four
Catholic bishops of Massachusetts said.
The bishops made their statement shortly after the General Court of
the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, as the Legislature is formally
called, voted 151-45 to reject a proposed constitutional amendment
defining marriage as a union between a man and a woman.
At least one-fourth - or 50 - of the legislators had to affirm the
proposed amendment for it to be placed before voters on the 2008
ballot. But only 45 legislators voted in favor, 17 fewer than the 62
who had supported it on Jan. 2, 2007, the final day of the 2005-06
session of the Legislature.
"Today, the common good has been sacrificed by the extreme
individualism that subordinates what is best for children, families
and society," said Cardinal Sean P. O'Malley of Boston and Bishops
George W. Coleman of Fall River, Timothy A. McDonnell of Springfield
and Robert J. McManus of Worcester.
The bishops noted that more than 170,000 Massachusetts citizens had
signed petitions urging that the matter be placed on the ballot.
"Our state laws provide for the process whereby the citizens have a
right to vote on a constitutional amendment," they said. "However, the
leadership of the Democratic Party refuses to allow citizens and
elected officials to vote their conscience on social issues."
The Legislature's vote, which took place with no debate or discussion,
reaffirmed a 2003 decision of the Supreme Judicial Court that said
same-sex couples cannot be denied a right to marry. More than 9,000
same-sex couples have married since then in Massachusetts, the only
U.S. state to permit the practice.
The bishops said the "unprecedented amount of pressure that was put on
elected officials" by opponents of the amendment showed that they felt
same-sex marriage would be banned in a popular vote.
"The pressure tactics were engineered to ensure that the will of the
people would not prevail," they said.
They urged opponents of the amendment to ask themselves: "Do we live
in a country where people are free to vote their conscience or are we
controlled by what is viewed as politically correct and by powerful
special-interest groups?"
The June 14 vote virtually guaranteed that the issue of same-sex
marriage could not be brought to the voters before November 2012,
because of the complicated procedures required for popular initiatives
in Massachusetts.
Members of both the House and Senate must meet together as a
constitutional convention to consider amendments, and at least one-
quarter of legislators must support the amendment in two consecutive
constitutional conventions.
The Massachusetts bishops say they hoped that "perhaps in the future
legislators will have the courage to let the people vote on an issue
so important to the future of families."
But Gov. Deval Patrick said after the vote, "Today in Massachusetts,
the freedom to marry is secure."
According to a report in The Boston Globe, Senate President Therese
Murray, who supports same-sex marriage, said she would push for
passage of a bill sponsored by Republican Rep. Paul J. Loscocco that
would guarantee the right of religious institutions to refuse to
recognize same-sex marriages.
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| User: "RamRod Sword of Baal" |
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| Title: Re: Vote to affirm same-sex marriage ignores will of people, bishops say |
19 Jun 2007 10:03:31 AM |
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1182220976.955110.268620@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
BOSTON, Mass. (CNS) - The Massachusetts Legislature's June 14 vote to
reaffirm same-sex marriage thwarts the will of the citizens and
undermines efforts to protect children, families and society, the four
Catholic bishops of Massachusetts said.
That is rich, when the Catholic church keeps meddling in politics, it seems
this time they were told to take a running jump at themselves, and rightly
so too.
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| User: "Andrealphus" |
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| Title: Re: Vote to affirm same-sex marriage ignores will of people, bishops say |
19 Jun 2007 05:27:58 AM |
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In News 1182220976.955110.268620@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com,, J Young at
youngopinions@aol.com, typed this:
BOSTON, Mass. (CNS) - The Massachusetts Legislature's June 14 vote to
reaffirm same-sex marriage thwarts the will of the citizens and
undermines efforts to protect children, families and society, the four
Catholic bishops of Massachusetts said.
Did they pause from fucking their altar boys long enough to issue that
statement, or did they just play through? Your problem here is that A.
Civil Rights are not supposed to be left to the "will of the people". B. >
50% of the voting population of Massachusetts supports same sex marriage in
every poll taken to date, and C. Since we live in a representational
democracy, a vote of the Massachusetts Legislature is an expression of the
will of the people.
Get over it.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Vote to affirm same-sex marriage ignores will of people, pedophile bishops say |
19 Jun 2007 12:09:15 AM |
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J Young <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
BOSTON, Mass. (CNS) - The Massachusetts Legislature's June 14 vote to
reaffirm same-sex marriage thwarts the will of the citizens
No it doesn't, nazi turd. It reaffirms the will of the people.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "IAAH" |
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| Title: Re: Vote to affirm same-sex marriage ignores will of people, bishopssay |
18 Jun 2007 09:55:39 PM |
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J Young wrote:
BOSTON, Mass. (CNS) - The Massachusetts Legislature's June 14 vote to
reaffirm same-sex marriage thwarts the will of the citizens and
undermines efforts to protect children, families and society, the four
Catholic bishops of Massachusetts said.
Yeah....it's becoming more and more obvious that the
'will of the people' is to allow people to marry the
consenting adult of their choice, rather than needing
the government to check inside their pants first.
The bishops made their statement shortly after the General Court of
the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, as the Legislature is formally
called, voted 151-45 to reject a proposed constitutional amendment
defining marriage as a union between a man and a woman.
At least one-fourth - or 50 - of the legislators had to affirm the
proposed amendment for it to be placed before voters on the 2008
ballot. But only 45 legislators voted in favor, 17 fewer than the 62
who had supported it on Jan. 2, 2007, the final day of the 2005-06
session of the Legislature.
"Today, the common good has been sacrificed by the extreme
individualism that subordinates what is best for children, families
and society," said Cardinal Sean P. O'Malley of Boston and Bishops
George W. Coleman of Fall River, Timothy A. McDonnell of Springfield
and Robert J. McManus of Worcester.
The bishops noted that more than 170,000 Massachusetts citizens had
signed petitions urging that the matter be placed on the ballot.
"Our state laws provide for the process whereby the citizens have a
right to vote on a constitutional amendment," they said. "However, the
leadership of the Democratic Party refuses to allow citizens and
elected officials to vote their conscience on social issues."
The Legislature's vote, which took place with no debate or discussion,
reaffirmed a 2003 decision of the Supreme Judicial Court that said
same-sex couples cannot be denied a right to marry. More than 9,000
same-sex couples have married since then in Massachusetts, the only
U.S. state to permit the practice.
The bishops said the "unprecedented amount of pressure that was put on
elected officials" by opponents of the amendment showed that they felt
same-sex marriage would be banned in a popular vote.
"The pressure tactics were engineered to ensure that the will of the
people would not prevail," they said.
They urged opponents of the amendment to ask themselves: "Do we live
in a country where people are free to vote their conscience or are we
controlled by what is viewed as politically correct and by powerful
special-interest groups?"
The June 14 vote virtually guaranteed that the issue of same-sex
marriage could not be brought to the voters before November 2012,
because of the complicated procedures required for popular initiatives
in Massachusetts.
Members of both the House and Senate must meet together as a
constitutional convention to consider amendments, and at least one-
quarter of legislators must support the amendment in two consecutive
constitutional conventions.
The Massachusetts bishops say they hoped that "perhaps in the future
legislators will have the courage to let the people vote on an issue
so important to the future of families."
But Gov. Deval Patrick said after the vote, "Today in Massachusetts,
the freedom to marry is secure."
According to a report in The Boston Globe, Senate President Therese
Murray, who supports same-sex marriage, said she would push for
passage of a bill sponsored by Republican Rep. Paul J. Loscocco that
would guarantee the right of religious institutions to refuse to
recognize same-sex marriages.
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| User: "John D. Wentzky" |
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| Title: Re: Vote to affirm same-sex marriage ignores will of people, bishops say |
18 Jun 2007 10:47:57 PM |
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"IAAH" <iaah@dodgeit.com> wrote in message
news:I82dnXlQTOYz2OrbnZ2dnUVZ_tDinZ2d@giganews.com...
J Young wrote:
BOSTON, Mass. (CNS) - The Massachusetts Legislature's June 14 vote to
reaffirm same-sex marriage thwarts the will of the citizens and
undermines efforts to protect children, families and society, the four
Catholic bishops of Massachusetts said.
Yeah....it's becoming more and more obvious that the 'will of the people'
is to allow people to marry the consenting adult of their choice, rather
than needing the government to check inside their pants first.
That isn't an accurate statement.
The people of South Carolina voted 80 percent against same-sex marriages.
And, you are *REQUIRED* to honor that because of the Xth Amendment and
because of the Constitution of the State of South Carolina.
The Constitutions, both state and federal, do not allow disrespecting the
will of the people of South Carolina in this matter.
"Our state laws provide for the process whereby the citizens have a
right to vote on a constitutional amendment," they said. "However, the
leadership of the Democratic Party refuses to allow citizens and
elected officials to vote their conscience on social issues."
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| User: "The Chief Instigator" |
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| Title: Re: Vote to affirm same-sex marriage ignores will of people, bishops say |
19 Jun 2007 12:23:01 AM |
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"John D. Wentzky" <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> writes:
"IAAH" <iaah@dodgeit.com> wrote in message
news:I82dnXlQTOYz2OrbnZ2dnUVZ_tDinZ2d@giganews.com...
J Young wrote:
BOSTON, Mass. (CNS) - The Massachusetts Legislature's June 14 vote to
reaffirm same-sex marriage thwarts the will of the citizens and
undermines efforts to protect children, families and society, the four
Catholic bishops of Massachusetts said.
Yeah....it's becoming more and more obvious that the 'will of the people'
is to allow people to marry the consenting adult of their choice, rather
than needing the government to check inside their pants first.
That isn't an accurate statement.
The people of South Carolina voted 80 percent against same-sex marriages.
That's definitely not an accurate statement - since 80 percent of the
qualified voters who decided to bother to vote on that measure is not 80
percent of the people of South Carolina.
And, you are *REQUIRED* to honor that because of the Xth Amendment and
because of the Constitution of the State of South Carolina.
The Constitutions, both state and federal, do not allow disrespecting the
will of the people of South Carolina in this matter.
The Constitution allows ignoring the will of one screeching chimp in Anderson
County who has delusions of authority over anything.
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2006-07 Houston Aeros) AA#2273
LAST GAME: San Antonio 4, Houston 2 (April 15)
NEXT GAME: October 2007, date/place/opponent TBA
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| User: "John D. Wentzky" |
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| Title: Re: Vote to affirm same-sex marriage ignores will of people, bishops say |
19 Jun 2007 10:48:30 AM |
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Notice:
I am posting this one message to the groups listed.
Any failure to allow this message to be posted to all of those groups will
be considered an act of treason.
"The Chief Instigator" <patrick@eris.io.com> wrote in message
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"John D. Wentzky" <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> writes:
"IAAH" <iaah@dodgeit.com> wrote in message
news:I82dnXlQTOYz2OrbnZ2dnUVZ_tDinZ2d@giganews.com...
J Young wrote:
BOSTON, Mass. (CNS) - The Massachusetts Legislature's June 14 vote to
reaffirm same-sex marriage thwarts the will of the citizens and
undermines efforts to protect children, families and society, the four
Catholic bishops of Massachusetts said.
Yeah....it's becoming more and more obvious that the 'will of the
people'
is to allow people to marry the consenting adult of their choice, rather
than needing the government to check inside their pants first.
That isn't an accurate statement.
The people of South Carolina voted 80 percent against same-sex marriages.
That's definitely not an accurate statement - since 80 percent of the
qualified voters who decided to bother to vote on that measure is not 80
percent of the people of South Carolina.
80 percent of the vote tally is all that matters in Constitutional law in
this matter.
You have nothing with legal authority to support your rebellion with.
And, you are *REQUIRED* to honor that because of the Xth Amendment and
because of the Constitution of the State of South Carolina.
The Constitutions, both state and federal, do not allow disrespecting the
will of the people of South Carolina in this matter.
The Constitution allows ignoring the will of one screeching chimp in
Anderson
County who has delusions of authority over anything.
EIGHTY PERCENT, you screaming rebellious anti-constitution treason
proponent.
The Constitution is the Sovereign and your treason against it is very
noticeable.
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2006-07 Houston Aeros) AA#2273
LAST GAME: San Antonio 4, Houston 2 (April 15)
NEXT GAME: October 2007, date/place/opponent TBA
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| User: "The Chief Instigator" |
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19 Jun 2007 11:05:49 AM |
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"John D. Wentzky" <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> writes:
Notice:
Anyone can laugh at John D. Wentzky's delusions of sanity.
"The Chief Instigator" <patrick@eris.io.com> wrote in message
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"John D. Wentzky" <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> writes:
"IAAH" <iaah@dodgeit.com> wrote in message
news:I82dnXlQTOYz2OrbnZ2dnUVZ_tDinZ2d@giganews.com...
J Young wrote:
BOSTON, Mass. (CNS) - The Massachusetts Legislature's June 14 vote to
reaffirm same-sex marriage thwarts the will of the citizens and
undermines efforts to protect children, families and society, the four
Catholic bishops of Massachusetts said.
Yeah....it's becoming more and more obvious that the 'will of the people'
is to allow people to marry the consenting adult of their choice, rather
than needing the government to check inside their pants first.
That isn't an accurate statement.
The people of South Carolina voted 80 percent against same-sex marriages.
That's definitely not an accurate statement - since 80 percent of the
qualified voters who decided to bother to vote on that measure is not 80
percent of the people of South Carolina.
80 percent of the vote tally is all that matters in Constitutional law in
this matter. You have nothing with legal authority to support your rebellion
with.
You have no rebellion to deal with, because you don't decide anything for
anyone else.
And, you are *REQUIRED* to honor that because of the Xth Amendment and
because of the Constitution of the State of South Carolina.
The Constitutions, both state and federal, do not allow disrespecting the
will of the people of South Carolina in this matter.
The Constitution allows ignoring the will of one screeching chimp in
Anderson County who has delusions of authority over anything.
EIGHTY PERCENT, you screaming rebellious anti-constitution treason
proponent.
The Constitution is the Sovereign and your treason against it is very
noticeable.
So shut up and get to work on charging me with an actual crime. (Free clue:
"the people of South Carolina" includes everyone. Those who are qualified to
be part of the electorate aren't all the people of the state. I'm not
surprised you can't even grasp that elementary concept.)
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2006-07 Houston Aeros) AA#2273
LAST GAME: San Antonio 4, Houston 2 (April 15)
NEXT GAME: October 2007, date/place/opponent TBA
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| User: "bobandcarole.." |
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21 Jun 2007 12:09:57 AM |
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APPLAUSE!!
On Jun 20, 10:53?pm, "John D. Wentzky"
<johndwent...@alumni.furman.edu> wrote:
Notice:
I am posting this one message to the groups listed.
Any failure to allow this message to be posted to all of those groups will
be considered an act of treason.
"The Chief Instigator" <patr...@eris.io.com> wrote in messagenews:szky7ieww2a.fsf@eris.io.com...
"John D. Wentzky" <johndwent...@alumni.furman.edu> writes:
[Wentzkyspam tossed in the trash, as always]
Constitutional law is spam to you.
[snip]
There are matters bigger than wasting time on providing 'conclusive' proof
of anti-USA activities.
All we need to do is talk to Putin and the Germans to see how they feel
about demilitarization in Germany.
The DoD guys don't have much of a say if they want to sustain the cold
war.
People pay taxes not only for warheads, you know?
People pay taxes to put certified psychotics like you into treatment.
What a joke.
People aren't into nuclear proliferation much nowadays.
Next time you want missles in Germany or to propagandize the USA because
of
their presence, think about footing the bills yourself.
You subterfuge freaks sure do like to think the people of the USA are
idiots.
You really need to be in a room with rubber walls, as your sanity has left
the building.
Because representing the people of the USA is illegal in your mind?
or hospitalized in a state facility for the long term.
You mean you aren't for nuclear disarmament?
Get your fat ***** back to the Home, son.
Another nuclear proliferation sentence?
LOL!
You are a peon unintellectual charlatan to me.
Chew on those words and swallow them.
You will NEVER be able to coerce me into allegiance to your criminal
will.
Why would you swear allegiance to a figment of _your_ imagination?
So, what is your main agenda then? People probably can tell that I am not
for increasing tensions between super powers. The EU is a big one now.
Can't they defend themselves without the people of the USA holding their
hands all day long now?
Could you get back to talking about abortion, mumbling bum Wentzky?
Why?
You think nuclear disrmament isn't important enough to discuss?
Or, do you think that I am making so many points with these statements that
you know anti-liberty crusades against me won't stand?
I'm not surprised you can't even grasp that elementary concept.)
What you fail to grasp is that you are an outside agency, a
disqualfied
party to any matters that involve SC politics.
...which I haven't interfered in in the least, despite your fantasy.
Contradiction in your proclamation there secrecy loon.
I enjoy trouncing your falsehood lying ***** in these newsgroups.
Idiot. I've told you what I communicated to the 10th Circuit Solicitor.
(She's free to ignore my observations, if she so chooses.)
She can. She also has the right to see what a paranoid anti-liberty loon
such as yourself is doing meddling with her stated job duties. She really
isn't authorized to defend state control freaks who commit crimes against
the
people with the peoples' money.
You don't decide anything for her, either.
So, you mean to say that she can't read the law as it is written and make a
conscious decision on her own?
Too bad all your insults aren't winning you many friends or influencing as
many people as you thought they would.
Still being drowned out by people who don't bow to your madness?
Maybe this is the day where you realize that compliance will help you more
than resistance.
You have absolutely no legal standing or authority whatsoever in SC
affairs.
That means I won't have to appear at your trial.
It means that your communications to SC authorities are automatically
rendered moot by SC and US law.
Sorry, but you still don't decide that.
"Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah", the little propagandist anti-liberty loon says.
How about reading some more of the laws that tell you you are relying on a
vain imagination there.
How about you getting fixed so you can understand what you read?
You'd need to contact Solicitor Adams and convince her of your delusion
du
jour.
I didn't see her email address online anywhere.
I did contact them a long time ago for the video evidence.
But, someone on the phone acted like a paranoid state control freak with
crimes to hide who said I had been 'red flagged'.
LOL!
What a joke.
That's pretty damned funny, because it indicates the state is on to your
charade,
Charade?
Again, you resort to insinuating that I am running some concocted scheme to
take down the president, 'deepthroat took down the president' anti-USA
propagandist.
and you're going to get royally reamed at your trial - and you'll
have asked for it.
Royally reamed?
What King is ashamed to reveal his name after he asks someone for theirs?
The paranoia of you idiot pro-choicers and gay censorship advocates is so
obvious.
When will you learn how NOT to commit crimes against the people and the
Constitution?
Since when is the judiciary supposed to be using some military lingo
against
people of the USA who government employees committed multiple felonies
against?
Since when are you sane?
Why aren't you asking the paranoid criminal state control freaks that
question?
Still allied with the "gellin' like a felon' criminals?
LOL!
The law itself is your enemy if so.
It isn't my fault they committed treasonous acts against me to the point
that they can be determined to be acts of war againt the Sovereign will of
the Constitution of the United States of America.
Fortunately, state law will put you in prison, if not a permanent room in
a
state hospital.
I guess you people who don't know that 'money answers all thing' think you
must practice treason to sustain your counterproductive grip in this nation.
Your 'deepthroat took down the president' treason game is kaput.
The Constitution itself destroys it.
The more you resist the foundation of the USA itself the more likely it is
that your propagandist agenda will be eliminated.
The more you act like you're divorced from reality, the longer you'll be
segregated from society.
What reality are you trying to present that is different from what I am
telling you?
(Let's just say it's even less likely than a blizzard in June in South
Carolina.)
Why do you think it is always the responsibility of the people to conduct
the duties of the paid persons who are assigned those tasks?
Why do you assume you know what anyone else thinks,
You haven't learned it yet?
when you can't even get a grasp on what you think, the majority of the
time?
More vain attempts at your anti-liberty game?
You really want the USA to fall while the people here are bound into serving
foreign nations so much?
If they want to be upright with regard to these matters they can contact
me
personally in a peaceful manner without resorting to sending any armed
control forces to visit me.
Your reliance on strong-armed, anti-liberty tactics isn't a respectable,
diplomatic method.
I'll look forward to your removal from Usenet at some date in the near to
mid-range future.
Why are you so uncomfortable with me posting to USENET?
You're Just Plain Nuts , as far as I'm concerned.
Meaning you do know that I am no risk to the people of this society.
Oh, yeah.
What are those messages you have been putting in the newgroup line called
again?
Engrams?
Dianetics.
How long will it take you to wean off of that ineffective power of
suggestion tactic?
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patr...@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2006-07 Houston Aeros) AA#2273
LAST GAME: San Antonio 4, Houston 2 (April 15)
NEXT GAME: October 2007, date/place/opponent TBA- Hide quoted
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21 Jun 2007 02:53:17 PM |
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On Jun 21, 1:09 am, "bobandcarole.." <bobandcarole...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
APPLAUSE!!
LOL! Before you clap, you'll have to rid your right hand of the bag
of Doritos, and your right hand of the box of "clearance" Hostess Ho-
Hos.
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| User: "James Norris" |
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| Title: Re: Vote to affirm same-sex marriage ignores will of people, bishops say |
21 Jun 2007 12:51:38 AM |
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On Jun 21, 6:09?am, "bobandcarole.." <bobandcarole...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
APPLAUSE!!
On Jun 20, 10:53?pm, "John D. Wentzky"
<johndwent...@alumni.furman.edu> wrote:
Notice:
I am posting this one message to the groups listed.
Any failure to allow this message to be posted to all of those groups will
be considered an act of treason.
"The Chief Instigator" <patr...@eris.io.com> wrote in messagenews:szky7ieww2a.fsf@eris.io.com...
"John D. Wentzky" <johndwent...@alumni.furman.edu> writes:
[Wentzkyspam tossed in the trash, as always]
Constitutional law is spam to you.
[snip]
There are matters bigger than wasting time on providing 'conclusive' proof
of anti-USA activities.
All we need to do is talk to Putin and the Germans to see how they feel
about demilitarization in Germany.
The DoD guys don't have much of a say if they want to sustain the cold
war.
People pay taxes not only for warheads, you know?
People pay taxes to put certified psychotics like you into treatment.
What a joke.
People aren't into nuclear proliferation much nowadays.
Next time you want missles in Germany or to propagandize the USA because
of
their presence, think about footing the bills yourself.
You subterfuge freaks sure do like to think the people of the USA are
idiots.
You really need to be in a room with rubber walls, as your sanity has left
the building.
Because representing the people of the USA is illegal in your mind?
or hospitalized in a state facility for the long term.
You mean you aren't for nuclear disarmament?
Get your fat ***** back to the Home, son.
Another nuclear proliferation sentence?
LOL!
You are a peon unintellectual charlatan to me.
Chew on those words and swallow them.
You will NEVER be able to coerce me into allegiance to your criminal
will.
Why would you swear allegiance to a figment of _your_ imagination?
So, what is your main agenda then? People probably can tell that I am not
for increasing tensions between super powers. The EU is a big one now.
Can't they defend themselves without the people of the USA holding their
hands all day long now?
Could you get back to talking about abortion, mumbling bum Wentzky?
Why?
You think nuclear disrmament isn't important enough to discuss?
Or, do you think that I am making so many points with these statements that
you know anti-liberty crusades against me won't stand?
I'm not surprised you can't even grasp that elementary concept.)
What you fail to grasp is that you are an outside agency, a
disqualfied
party to any matters that involve SC politics.
...which I haven't interfered in in the least, despite your fantasy.
Contradiction in your proclamation there secrecy loon.
I enjoy trouncing your falsehood lying ***** in these newsgroups.
Idiot. I've told you what I communicated to the 10th Circuit Solicitor.
(She's free to ignore my observations, if she so chooses.)
She can. She also has the right to see what a paranoid anti-liberty loon
such as yourself is doing meddling with her stated job duties. She really
isn't authorized to defend state control freaks who commit crimes against
the
people with the peoples' money.
You don't decide anything for her, either.
So, you mean to say that she can't read the law as it is written and make a
conscious decision on her own?
Too bad all your insults aren't winning you many friends or influencing as
many people as you thought they would.
Still being drowned out by people who don't bow to your madness?
Maybe this is the day where you realize that compliance will help you more
than resistance.
You have absolutely no legal standing or authority whatsoever in SC
affairs.
That means I won't have to appear at your trial.
It means that your communications to SC authorities are automatically
rendered moot by SC and US law.
Sorry, but you still don't decide that.
"Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah", the little propagandist anti-liberty loon says.
How about reading some more of the laws that tell you you are relying on a
vain imagination there.
How about you getting fixed so you can understand what you read?
You'd need to contact Solicitor Adams and convince her of your delusion
du
jour.
I didn't see her email address online anywhere.
I did contact them a long time ago for the video evidence.
But, someone on the phone acted like a paranoid state control freak with
crimes to hide who said I had been 'red flagged'.
LOL!
What a joke.
That's pretty damned funny, because it indicates the state is on to your
charade,
Charade?
Again, you resort to insinuating that I am running some concocted scheme to
take down the president, 'deepthroat took down the president' anti-USA
propagandist.
and you're going to get royally reamed at your trial - and you'll
have asked for it.
Royally reamed?
What King is ashamed to reveal his name after he asks someone for theirs?
The paranoia of you idiot pro-choicers and gay censorship advocates is so
obvious.
When will you learn how NOT to commit crimes against the people and the
Constitution?
Since when is the judiciary supposed to be using some military lingo
against
people of the USA who government employees committed multiple felonies
against?
Since when are you sane?
Why aren't you asking the paranoid criminal state control freaks that
question?
Still allied with the "gellin' like a felon' criminals?
LOL!
The law itself is your enemy if so.
It isn't my fault they committed treasonous acts against me to the point
that they can be determined to be acts of war againt the Sovereign will of
the Constitution of the United States of America.
Fortunately, state law will put you in prison, if not a permanent room in
a
state hospital.
I guess you people who don't know that 'money answers all thing' think you
must practice treason to sustain your counterproductive grip in this nation.
Your 'deepthroat took down the president' treason game is kaput.
The Constitution itself destroys it.
The more you resist the foundation of the USA itself the more likely it is
that your propagandist agenda will be eliminated.
The more you act like you're divorced from reality, the longer you'll be
segregated from society.
What reality are you trying to present that is different from what I am
telling you?
(Let's just say it's even less likely than a blizzard in June in South
Carolina.)
Why do you think it is always the responsibility of the people to conduct
the duties of the paid persons who are assigned those tasks?
Why do you assume you know what anyone else thinks,
You haven't learned it yet?
when you can't even get a grasp on what you think, the majority of the
time?
More vain attempts at your anti-liberty game?
You really want the USA to fall while the people here are bound into serving
foreign nations so much?
If they want to be upright with regard to these matters they can contact
me
personally in a peaceful manner without resorting to sending any armed
control forces to visit me.
Your reliance on strong-armed, anti-liberty tactics isn't a respectable,
diplomatic method.
I'll look forward to your removal from Usenet at some date in the near to
mid-range future.
Why are you so uncomfortable with me posting to USENET?
You're Just Plain Nuts , as far as I'm concerned.
Meaning you do know that I am no risk to the people of this society.
Oh, yeah.
What are those messages you have been putting in the newgroup line called
again?
Engrams?
Dianetics.
How long will it take you to wean off of that ineffective power of
suggestion tactic?
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I have to say that your insightful and well-written remarks about this
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usenet newsgroups as a medium for meaningful discussions between
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I have to say that your insightful and well-written remarks about this
complex topic really impressed me. Your have restored my faith in
usenet newsgroups as a medium for meaningful discussions between
intelligent human beings. Well done!
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On Jun 19, 11:48 am, "John D. Wentzky"
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legal authority
Speaking of legal authority, how are those cases against you coming
along, Wentzky?
Indictment Number: 2007GS0401445 Warrant Number : J410220
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Defendant Name: WENTZKY, JOHN D
Address: 125 WENTZKY CIRCLE Sex: M
City: ANDERSON Race: W
State: SC Zip: 29621-0000 DOB: 7/15/1961
Arrest Date: 1/09/2007 Rcvd by COC: 1/12/2007 Summary Judge: 733
Offense
Charged: DUI / DRIVING UNDER THE INFLUENCE - 2N 56-05-2930(
Counts: 1 /
Disposition: Restored Date:
Court Reporter: Transferred Date:
Disposed By: Add Sentance to SCCA: 2/23/2007
Last Change Date: 4/25/2007
Change Sent to SCCA 5/22/2007
Sentence/Explanation:
Indictment Number: 2007GS0401446 Warrant Number : J410221
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Defendant Name: WENTZKY, JOHN D
Address: 125 WENTZKY CIRCLE Sex: M
City: ANDERSON Race: W
State: SC Zip: 29621-0000 DOB: 7/15/1961
Arrest Date: 1/09/2007 Rcvd by COC: 1/12/2007 Summary Judge: 733
Offense
Charged: RESISTING / RESISTING ARREST; OPPOSE, 16-09-0320(
Counts: 1 /
Disposition: Restored Date:
Court Reporter: Transferred Date:
Disposed By: Add Sentance to SCCA: 2/23/2007
Last Change Date: 4/25/2007
Change Sent to SCCA 5/22/2007
Sentence/Explanation:
Indictment Number: 2007GS0401447 Warrant Number : J410222
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Defendant Name: WENTZKY, JOHN D
Address: 125 WENTZKY CIRCLE Sex: M
City: ANDERSON Race: W
State: SC Zip: 29621-0000 DOB: 7/15/1961
Arrest Date: 1/09/2007 Rcvd by COC: 1/12/2007 Summary Judge: 733
Offense
Charged: RESISTING / ASSAULT, BEAT, OR WOUND PO 16-09-0320(
Counts: 1 /
Disposition: Restored Date:
Court Reporter: Transferred Date:
Disposed By: Add Sentance to SCCA: 2/23/2007
Last Change Date: 4/25/2007
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On Jun 19, 11:48 am, "John D. Wentzky"
<johndwent...@alumni.furman.edu> wrote:
legal authority
Speaking of legal authority, how are those cases against you coming
along, Wentzky?
Like a dead duck.
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On Jun 19, 10:23 pm, "John D. Wentzky"
<johndwent...@alumni.furman.edu> wrote:
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be considered an act of treason."ScottyFLL" <1sc...@lycos.com> wrote in message
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On Jun 19, 11:48 am, "John D. Wentzky"
<johndwent...@alumni.furman.edu> wrote:
legal authority
Speaking of legal authority, how are those cases against you coming
along, Wentzky?
Like a dead duck.
So, your work at supporting your innocence in the face of the
overwhelming evidence against you is going that badly. That does not
surprise anyone in these newsgroups, since you have all but admitted
that you are guilty of the two more serious charges by your
descriptions of your actions.
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On Jun 19, 10:23 pm, "John D. Wentzky"
<johndwent...@alumni.furman.edu> wrote:
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be considered an act of treason."ScottyFLL" <1sc...@lycos.com> wrote in message
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On Jun 19, 11:48 am, "John D. Wentzky"
<johndwent...@alumni.furman.edu> wrote:
legal authority
Speaking of legal authority, how are those cases against you coming
along, Wentzky?
Like a dead duck.
Yeah... I don't fucking think so, OK?
Let us know your address when you're in the slammer.
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In News ZlIdi.2194$x8.1656@bignews5.bellsouth.net,, John D. Wentzky at
johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu, typed this:
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"IAAH" <iaah@dodgeit.com> wrote in message
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J Young wrote:
BOSTON, Mass. (CNS) - The Massachusetts Legislature's June 14 vote
to reaffirm same-sex marriage thwarts the will of the citizens and
undermines efforts to protect children, families and society, the
four Catholic bishops of Massachusetts said.
Yeah....it's becoming more and more obvious that the 'will of the
people' is to allow people to marry the consenting adult of their
choice, rather than needing the government to check inside their
pants first.
That isn't an accurate statement.
The people of South Carolina
We weren't talking about South Carolina, dunderhead.
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19 Jun 2007 10:49:18 AM |
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In News ZlIdi.2194$x8.1656@bignews5.bellsouth.net,, John D. Wentzky at
johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu, typed this:
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"IAAH" <iaah@dodgeit.com> wrote in message
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J Young wrote:
BOSTON, Mass. (CNS) - The Massachusetts Legislature's June 14 vote
to reaffirm same-sex marriage thwarts the will of the citizens and
undermines efforts to protect children, families and society, the
four Catholic bishops of Massachusetts said.
Yeah....it's becoming more and more obvious that the 'will of the
people' is to allow people to marry the consenting adult of their
choice, rather than needing the government to check inside their
pants first.
That isn't an accurate statement.
The people of South Carolina
We weren't talking about South Carolina, dunderhead.
We are talking about Constitutional requirements.
MA government is out of order.
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In News 6WSdi.3639$nQ5.365@bignews2.bellsouth.net,, John D. Wentzky at
johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu, typed this:
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I've removed alt.abortion. Try that treason charge, village idiot.
"Andrealphus" <NOTAREALEMAIL_1@FAM.NET> wrote in message
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In News ZlIdi.2194$x8.1656@bignews5.bellsouth.net,, John D. Wentzky
at johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu, typed this:
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"IAAH" <iaah@dodgeit.com> wrote in message
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J Young wrote:
BOSTON, Mass. (CNS) - The Massachusetts Legislature's June 14 vote
to reaffirm same-sex marriage thwarts the will of the citizens and
undermines efforts to protect children, families and society, the
four Catholic bishops of Massachusetts said.
Yeah....it's becoming more and more obvious that the 'will of the
people' is to allow people to marry the consenting adult of their
choice, rather than needing the government to check inside their
pants first.
That isn't an accurate statement.
The people of South Carolina
We weren't talking about South Carolina, dunderhead.
We are talking about Constitutional requirements.
MA government is out of order.
*****. The MA Legislature are duly elected representatives of the people
there is no requirement that each and every issue in either the U.S.
Constitution, nor the MA Constitution, be left to a general vote. Most
issues concerning civil rights are covered in the 14th Amendment of the U.S.
Constitution.
Again, we weren't talking about South Carolina, dunderhead.
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On Tue, 19 Jun 2007 11:49:18 -0400 there was an Ancient "John D.
Wentzky" <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> who stoppeth one in
alt.atheism
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alt.abortion snipped.
We weren't talking about South Carolina, dunderhead.
We are talking about Constitutional requirements.
MA government is out of order.
Nonsense. Show the cite.
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Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2011
"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the
source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a
stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as
good as dead: his eyes are closed." - Albert Einstein
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21 Jun 2007 02:55:03 PM |
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On Jun 19, 11:49 am, "John D. Wentzky"
<johndwent...@alumni.furman.edu> wrote:
We are talking about Constitutional requirements.
Constitution gives the rights to govern laws of marriage to the States
individually.
MA government is out of order.-
Massachusetts is one of those States. (Google: "map of the United
States" and look on the upper right-hand side of your screen)
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On Jun 18, 11:47 pm, "John D. Wentzky"
<johndwent...@alumni.furman.edu> wrote:
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be considered an act of treason."IAAH" <i...@dodgeit.com> wrote in message
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J Young wrote:
BOSTON, Mass. (CNS) - The Massachusetts Legislature's June 14 vote to
reaffirm same-sex marriage thwarts the will of the citizens and
undermines efforts to protect children, families and society, the four
Catholic bishops of Massachusetts said.
Yeah....it's becoming more and more obvious that the 'will of the people'
is to allow people to marry the consenting adult of their choice, rather
than needing the government to check inside their pants first.
That isn't an accurate statement.
The people of South Carolina voted 80 percent against same-sex marriages.
And, you are *REQUIRED* to honor that because of the Xth Amendment and
because of the Constitution of the State of South Carolina.
The Constitutions, both state and federal, do not allow disrespecting the
will of the people of South Carolina in this matter.
South Carolina has the lowest percentage of high school students
graduating in the country. Less than 60% actually get the diploma.
Details at http://www.unitedhealthfoundation.org/AHR2006/components/hsgrad.html
But with their state constitution so admended, South Carolina is
spared the wrath of god, South Carolina will not be dispoiled like
Massachusetts.
JohnN
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JohnN <jnorris53@hotmail.com> writes:
The people of South Carolina voted 80 percent against same-sex marriages.
And, you are *REQUIRED* to honor that because of the Xth Amendment and
because of the Constitution of the State of South Carolina.
The Constitutions, both state and federal, do not allow disrespecting the
will of the people of South Carolina in this matter.
South Carolina has the lowest percentage of high school students
graduating in the country. Less than 60% actually get the diploma.
Details at http://www.unitedhealthfoundation.org/AHR2006/components/hsgrad.html
But with their state constitution so admended, South Carolina is
spared the wrath of god, South Carolina will not be dispoiled like
Massachusetts.
Yep, spared "the wrath of God" until next hurricane season. Thank
heaven for small favors. :-)
And the Walls of Jerico probably did come tumbling down (given that
Jerico was built on top of a geological structure now called "The
Jerico Fault" and the lack of modern building codes at the time). :-)
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22 Jun 2007 11:36:50 PM |
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On Jun 18, 11:47 pm, "John D. Wentzky"
<johndwent...@alumni.furman.edu> wrote:
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be considered an act of treason."IAAH" <i...@dodgeit.com> wrote in
message
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J Young wrote:
BOSTON, Mass. (CNS) - The Massachusetts Legislature's June 14 vote to
reaffirm same-sex marriage thwarts the will of the citizens and
undermines efforts to protect children, families and society, the four
Catholic bishops of Massachusetts said.
Yeah....it's becoming more and more obvious that the 'will of the
people'
is to allow people to marry the consenting adult of their choice,
rather
than needing the government to check inside their pants first.
That isn't an accurate statement.
The people of South Carolina voted 80 percent against same-sex marriages.
And, you are *REQUIRED* to honor that because of the Xth Amendment and
because of the Constitution of the State of South Carolina.
The Constitutions, both state and federal, do not allow disrespecting the
will of the people of South Carolina in this matter.
South Carolina has the lowest percentage of high school students
graduating in the country.
Less than 60% actually get the diploma.
Details at
http://www.unitedhealthfoundation.org/AHR2006/components/hsgrad.html
But with their state constitution so admended, South Carolina is
spared the wrath of god, South Carolina will not be dispoiled like
Massachusetts.
The wording of the amendment would nullify all unions other than the union
of one man and one woman in marriage as a legal union.
Middle English, from Old French, from Late Latin ni, nin-, from Latin nus,
one.
Labor unions could not exist in SC with this amendment in the Constitution.
If any government were considered a union it would lose its legal status in
SC.
Seems as if the all people of SC would immediately be free from all taxation
with this measure; but, if the government ceased to exist there would be no
law making such a declaration post facto of this amendment being written
into the Constitution.
The government that makes such an amendment would be rendering itself
defunct which would make the amendment itself of no effect.
All governments, all taxes, and all laws would be erased by this one
amendment.
Basically, by the wording of this Amendment the people of SC have decided to
start all over.
It isn't as if the people of SC are committing treason against the USA
because we are not declaring war on the USA.
I imagine we could just take the Constitution of the USA and use it as good
as we can; that is, if we wished to be a part of the USA.
But, if we found language in the US constitution not to our liking we could
make up our own rules.
So, as long as the United States government is content to allow the people
of South Carolina to come up with their own sovereign Constitution will,
independent of the USA itself, there should be no problems.
If the USA decided to declare war on us as in the 1860s we would not be
perceiving them as a friendly nation.
So, does this mean that we can all avert another Civil War by allowing the
people of South Carolina to form their own Constitution and laws independent
of the USA now?
I see no real threat to the USA itself or to any other State by doing this.
We would still be happy to accept visitors as we transition into independent
nation-state status.
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| Title: Re: Vote to affirm same-sex marriage ignores will of people,bishops say |
25 Jun 2007 06:44:13 PM |
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On Mon, 18 Jun 2007 23:47:57 -0400, John D. Wentzky wrote:
And, you are *REQUIRED* to honor that because of the Xth Amendment and
Wentinsane, your side *lost the Civil War...
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Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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"You believe in a book that has talking animals, wizards,
witches, demons, sticks turning into snakes, food falling
from the sky, people walking on water, and all sorts of magical,
absurd and primitive stories, and you say that *we* are the
ones that need help?" - Jon Stoll
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: Vote to affirm same-sex marriage ignores will of people, bishops say |
26 Jun 2007 10:16:30 AM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote in message
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On Mon, 18 Jun 2007 23:47:57 -0400, John D. Wentzky wrote:
And, you are *REQUIRED* to honor that because of the Xth Amendment and
Wentinsane, your side *lost the Civil War...
Jeeze, they just won't let that go ;)
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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| User: "Lucille Causey" |
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| Title: Re: Vote to affirm same-sex marriage ignores will of people, bishops say |
19 Jun 2007 04:45:32 AM |
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What if "the will of the people" was to abolish the Catholic Church?
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: Vote to affirm same-sex marriage ignores will of people, bishops say |
19 Jun 2007 06:46:50 AM |
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"Lucille Causey" <causeys@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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What if "the will of the people" was to abolish the Catholic Church?
Cool!
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
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| User: "Michelle Malkin" |
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| Title: Re: Vote to affirm same-sex marriage ignores will of people, bishops say |
19 Jun 2007 05:02:02 AM |
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"Lucille Causey" <causeys@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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What if "the will of the people" was to abolish the Catholic Church?
Then, the Catholics would stop attending church
and giving the Church their money. That's up to
them. The law has no say in the matter.
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| User: "Nosterill" |
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| Title: Re: Vote to affirm same-sex marriage ignores will of people, bishops say |
19 Jun 2007 08:10:30 AM |
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On Jun 19, 11:02 am, "Michelle Malkin" <hypati...@comcast.net> wrote:
"Lucille Causey" <caus...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:0BNdi.1968$W_6.1637@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...> What if "the will of the people" was to abolish the Catholic Church?
Then, the Catholics would stop attending church
and giving the Church their money. That's up to
them. The law has no say in the matter.
And that's all it takes. If enough people would wake up and realise
that it's all a scam then the whole ridiculous edifice woud just
crumble away. One problem is that indoctrination from birth goes deep
and tends to stick. Another problem is all the powerful people who
would stop at nothing to retain this potent manipulative tool.
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