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"Jason Spaceman" |
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17 Dec 2004 06:56:16 PM |
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Voters may be asked to remove Florida's church-state ban |
From the article:
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TALLAHASSEE ? Christian conservatives frustrated by court rulings that have
found a school voucher program unconstitutional may have hit upon a possible
solution: changing the constitution.
Sen. Daniel Webster, a former House speaker and now the chairman of the Senate
Judiciary Committee, said Wednesday he is exploring the possibility of a
citizens initiative to repeal the 136-year-old wording that separates church
and state in Florida.
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Read it at
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/content/news/epaper/2004/12/16/a21a_webster_1216.html
or http://tinyurl.com/4by2c
J. Spaceman
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| User: "Lord Calvert" |
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| Title: Re: Voters may be asked to remove Florida's church-state ban |
17 Dec 2004 09:04:47 PM |
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Sen. Daniel Webster, a former House speaker and now the chairman of the
Senate
Judiciary Committee, said Wednesday he is exploring the possibility of a
citizens initiative to repeal the 136-year-old wording that separates church
and state in Florida.
As was upheld in Torcaso v. Watkins, states cannot deliberately violate the US
constitution.
Article VI, Clause 2: This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States
which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall
be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of
the Land; ***and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in
the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding. ***
***emphasis mine***
They would have to repeal Article VI of the federal Constitution to do it.
Rich Goranson, Amherst, NY, USA (aa#MCMXCIX, a-vet#1)
EAC Department of Applied Rattan Use
"Those who have loved God most have loved men least." -- Colonel Robert Green
Ingersoll, 1881
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Voters may be asked to remove Florida's church-state ban |
18 Dec 2004 02:40:42 PM |
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On 18 Dec 2004 03:04:47 GMT, forlornh@aol.compost (Lord Calvert)
wrote:
Sen. Daniel Webster, a former House speaker and now the chairman of the
Senate
Judiciary Committee, said Wednesday he is exploring the possibility of a
citizens initiative to repeal the 136-year-old wording that separates church
and state in Florida.
As was upheld in Torcaso v. Watkins, states cannot deliberately violate the US
constitution.
Article VI, Clause 2: This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States
which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall
be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of
the Land; ***and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in
the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding. ***
***emphasis mine***
They would have to repeal Article VI of the federal Constitution to do it.
Nah. Just ignore it like they do lots of other things.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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| User: "Uncle Dollar Bill" |
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| Title: Re: Voters may be asked to remove Florida's church-state ban |
19 Dec 2004 09:13:18 AM |
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On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 12:40:42 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On 18 Dec 2004 03:04:47 GMT, forlornh@aol.compost (Lord Calvert)
wrote:
<snip>
They would have to repeal Article VI of the federal Constitution to do it.
Nah. Just ignore it like they do lots of other things.
Pretty much. It's simply amazing how effectively the power called
"selective interpretation" can be used to make the federal
constitution null and void.
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Voters may be asked to remove Florida's church-state ban |
20 Dec 2004 02:12:11 PM |
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On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 10:13:18 -0500, Uncle Dollar Bill
<UncleDollarBill@SpamMeNot.com> wrote:
On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 12:40:42 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On 18 Dec 2004 03:04:47 GMT, forlornh@aol.compost (Lord Calvert)
wrote:
<snip>
They would have to repeal Article VI of the federal Constitution to do it.
Nah. Just ignore it like they do lots of other things.
Pretty much. It's simply amazing how effectively the power called
"selective interpretation" can be used to make the federal
constitution null and void.
Christian immorality is a sacrament.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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| User: "Rune Børsjø" |
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| Title: Re: Voters may be asked to remove Florida's church-state ban |
17 Dec 2004 07:04:53 PM |
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On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 19:56:16 -0500, Jason Spaceman
<notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote:
Sen. Daniel Webster, a former House speaker and now the chairman of the Senate
Judiciary Committee, said Wednesday he is exploring the possibility of a
citizens initiative to repeal the 136-year-old wording that separates church
and state in Florida.
And the constitution? Are they going to repeal that too?
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"If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land,
it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy."
-James Madison
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| User: "How Do You Solve A Problem Like Clayton?" |
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| Title: Re: Voters may be asked to remove Florida's church-state ban |
18 Dec 2004 12:57:38 AM |
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"Rune Børsjø" <buggeroffm@te.com> wrote in message
news:0h07s0t1meedeg86vo6kbg9omrkjc6d1jh@4ax.com...
On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 19:56:16 -0500, Jason Spaceman
<notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote:
Sen. Daniel Webster, a former House speaker and now the chairman of the
Senate
Judiciary Committee, said Wednesday he is exploring the possibility of a
citizens initiative to repeal the 136-year-old wording that separates
church
and state in Florida.
And the constitution? Are they going to repeal that too?
What do you think Bush and Ashcroft have been systematically doing for the
last 4 years?
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Voters may be asked to remove Florida's church-state ban |
17 Dec 2004 08:31:04 PM |
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In our last episode <0h07s0t1meedeg86vo6kbg9omrkjc6d1jh@4ax.com>, Rune
Børsjø lept out of the bushes shouting:
On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 19:56:16 -0500, Jason Spaceman
<notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote:
Sen. Daniel Webster, a former House speaker and now the chairman of the
Senate Judiciary Committee, said Wednesday he is exploring the
possibility of a citizens initiative to repeal the 136-year-old wording
that separates church and state in Florida.
And the constitution? Are they going to repeal that too? --
"If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of
fighting a foreign enemy." -James Madison
They're working on it...
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Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Being surprised at the fact that the universe
is fine tuned for life is akin to a puddle being
surprised at how well it fits its hole"
-- Douglas Adams
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Voters may be asked to remove Florida's church-state ban |
18 Dec 2004 02:39:53 PM |
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On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 02:04:53 +0100, Rune Børsjø <buggeroffm@te.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 19:56:16 -0500, Jason Spaceman
<notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote:
Sen. Daniel Webster, a former House speaker and now the chairman of the Senate
Judiciary Committee, said Wednesday he is exploring the possibility of a
citizens initiative to repeal the 136-year-old wording that separates church
and state in Florida.
And the constitution? Are they going to repeal that too?
Already done.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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| User: "Eris" |
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| Title: Re: Voters may be asked to remove Florida's church-state ban |
17 Dec 2004 09:36:39 PM |
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On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 02:04:53 +0100, Rune Børsjø <buggeroffm@te.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 19:56:16 -0500, Jason Spaceman
<notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote:
Sen. Daniel Webster, a former House speaker and now the chairman of the Senate
Judiciary Committee, said Wednesday he is exploring the possibility of a
citizens initiative to repeal the 136-year-old wording that separates church
and state in Florida.
And the constitution? Are they going to repeal that too?
Someone did a study, showing people the wording of the first
amendment, but telling them it was proposed legislation. When asked if
they would support this legislation, the majority said no.
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| User: "Rune Børsjø" |
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| Title: Re: Voters may be asked to remove Florida's church-state ban |
21 Dec 2004 12:28:19 PM |
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On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 22:36:39 -0500, Eris <vithant01@yaya.comcast.net>
wrote:
Someone did a study, showing people the wording of the first
amendment, but telling them it was proposed legislation. When asked if
they would support this legislation, the majority said no.
I'd love if you could link me to this one.
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"If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land,
it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy."
-James Madison
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| User: "Doc Smartass" |
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| Title: Re: Voters may be asked to remove Florida's church-state ban |
17 Dec 2004 07:53:06 PM |
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Rune Børsjø <buggeroffm@te.com> wrote in
news:0h07s0t1meedeg86vo6kbg9omrkjc6d1jh@4ax.com:
On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 19:56:16 -0500, Jason Spaceman
<notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote:
Sen. Daniel Webster, a former House speaker and now the chairman of
the Senate Judiciary Committee, said Wednesday he is exploring the
possibility of a citizens initiative to repeal the 136-year-old
wording that separates church and state in Florida.
And the constitution? Are they going to repeal that too?
Might as well, we're not using it much anyway.
--
Dr. Smartass -- BAAWA Knight of Heckling -- a.a. #1939
You can lead a horse to water...
....and with proper use of levers, rope, and duct tape,
you CAN make it drink.
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