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Voters Seek Psychotherapy After Election! |
Singing the blue-state blues
BY JAMIE TALAN
STAFF WRITER
November 5, 2004, 7:26 PM EST
This week, many therapists in Kerry-friendly New York found their
clients left personal issues at home, instead seeking professional
help for post-election political despair.
Manhattan psychologist Bonnie Maslin said many of her patients cried
about the lost election and the reality of the Republican victory.
They talked about hopelessness. They said they felt isolated,
depressed and angry.
"There is a lot of grieving and mourning -- not unlike the Jewish
shiva," Maslin said. "The level of devastation is enormous. Patients
are saying they feel that the things they cherish and value are under
siege. They feel threatened."
Maslin, a practicing psychologist since 1973, said she "has never seen
tears around politics" in her office. But she understands, and
counsels patients to go through the grieving "so they don't become
paralyzed by it."
Joseph LeDoux, a professor at the Center for Neural Science at New
York University, said any threatening news triggers a flood of stress
hormones that can amplify and prolong negative feelings.
The post-election emotions of many who voted for Sen. John Kerry may
mirror clinical depression, but experts say they aren't necessarily
signs of a psychiatric condition.
"These are genuine feelings," said Myrna Weissman, a depression
researcher at Columbia University College of Physicians and Surgeons.
"But as much as political leaders are important, they are not family
or friends. These are not the events that cause real impairment in
functioning."
But Dr. Kerry Sulkowicz, a psychoanalyst and clinical professor of
psychiatry at New York University's School of Medicine, believes
"people are genuinely worried that Bush is our leader." He said
virtually all of his patients this week said they feel depressed about
the fate of the country. "They feel helpless and dismayed by Bush's
staying power."
Alan Hilfer, director of training in the department of psychiatry at
Maimonides Medical Center in Brooklyn, observed that "They don't quite
understand what the majority of the country is feeling. But people are
resilient ... By next week, people will be talking about their own
issues again."
Hilfer said he is finding that patients who actually worked on the
Kerry campaign are coping better than those who only voted for him.
So what should a losing voter do?
"Some people will become passive, and lose their belief that what they
do matters," said Christopher Peterson, a professor of psychology at
the University of Michigan who studies how people respond to bad
events. He cautions people not to let that happen.
"There is always another election. Democracy worked," he tells his
students. "Even the Red Sox eventually won the World Series."
His research on coping shows that giving up and getting emotional "is
a sure-fire way to guarantee future failure."
He and others recommend local activism as a way to counter depressed
feelings.
Maslin agreed, but advised her patients to respect their period of
mourning.
Dr. David Schlager, clinical assistant professor at Stony Brook
University Hospital, warned that if hopelessness persists, it may
signal an undiagnosed depression that could be coloring a person's
exaggerated and prolonged response to the election. In that case,
people should seek professional help, Schlager said.
Copyright =A9 2004, Newsday, Inc.
http://www.newsday.com/news/politics/ny-hsblue1106,0,7649301.story?col
l=3Dny-politics-bigpix
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"How Does That Make You Feel" <tellme@howyoufeel.now> wrote in message
news:DZ8FDFN638298.5678125@anonymous.poster...
Singing the blue-state blues
BY JAMIE TALAN
STAFF WRITER
November 5, 2004, 7:26 PM EST
This week, many therapists in Kerry-friendly New York found their
clients left personal issues at home, instead seeking professional
help for post-election political despair.
Manhattan psychologist Bonnie Maslin said many of her patients cried
about the lost election and the reality of the Republican victory.
They talked about hopelessness. They said they felt isolated,
depressed and angry.
"There is a lot of grieving and mourning -- not unlike the Jewish
shiva," Maslin said. "The level of devastation is enormous. Patients
are saying they feel that the things they cherish and value are under
siege. They feel threatened."
Maslin, a practicing psychologist since 1973, said she "has never seen
tears around politics" in her office. But she understands, and
counsels patients to go through the grieving "so they don't become
paralyzed by it."
Joseph LeDoux, a professor at the Center for Neural Science at New
York University, said any threatening news triggers a flood of stress
hormones that can amplify and prolong negative feelings.
The post-election emotions of many who voted for Sen. John Kerry may
mirror clinical depression, but experts say they aren't necessarily
signs of a psychiatric condition.
"These are genuine feelings," said Myrna Weissman, a depression
researcher at Columbia University College of Physicians and Surgeons.
"But as much as political leaders are important, they are not family
or friends. These are not the events that cause real impairment in
functioning."
But Dr. Kerry Sulkowicz, a psychoanalyst and clinical professor of
psychiatry at New York University's School of Medicine, believes
"people are genuinely worried that Bush is our leader." He said
virtually all of his patients this week said they feel depressed about
the fate of the country. "They feel helpless and dismayed by Bush's
staying power."
Alan Hilfer, director of training in the department of psychiatry at
Maimonides Medical Center in Brooklyn, observed that "They don't quite
understand what the majority of the country is feeling. But people are
resilient ... By next week, people will be talking about their own
issues again."
Hilfer said he is finding that patients who actually worked on the
Kerry campaign are coping better than those who only voted for him.
So what should a losing voter do?
"Some people will become passive, and lose their belief that what they
do matters," said Christopher Peterson, a professor of psychology at
the University of Michigan who studies how people respond to bad
events. He cautions people not to let that happen.
"There is always another election. Democracy worked," he tells his
students. "Even the Red Sox eventually won the World Series."
His research on coping shows that giving up and getting emotional "is
a sure-fire way to guarantee future failure."
He and others recommend local activism as a way to counter depressed
feelings.
Maslin agreed, but advised her patients to respect their period of
mourning.
Dr. David Schlager, clinical assistant professor at Stony Brook
University Hospital, warned that if hopelessness persists, it may
signal an undiagnosed depression that could be coloring a person's
exaggerated and prolonged response to the election. In that case,
people should seek professional help, Schlager said.
Copyright © 2004, Newsday, Inc.
http://www.newsday.com/news/politics/ny-hsblue1106,0,7649301.story?col
l=ny-politics-bigpix
Kerry voters should have sought mental help much sooner than this.
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07 Nov 2004 02:19:42 PM |
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How Does That Make You Feel wrote:
Singing the blue-state blues
BY JAMIE TALAN
STAFF WRITER
November 5, 2004, 7:26 PM EST
This week, many therapists in Kerry-friendly New York found their
clients left personal issues at home, instead seeking professional
help for post-election political despair.
Manhattan psychologist Bonnie Maslin said many of her patients cried
about the lost election and the reality of the Republican victory.
They talked about hopelessness. They said they felt isolated,
depressed and angry.
"There is a lot of grieving and mourning -- not unlike the Jewish
shiva," Maslin said. "The level of devastation is enormous. Patients
are saying they feel that the things they cherish and value are under
siege. They feel threatened."
Maslin, a practicing psychologist since 1973, said she "has never
seen
tears around politics" in her office. But she understands, and
counsels patients to go through the grieving "so they don't become
paralyzed by it."
Joseph LeDoux, a professor at the Center for Neural Science at New
York University, said any threatening news triggers a flood of stress
hormones that can amplify and prolong negative feelings.
The post-election emotions of many who voted for Sen. John Kerry may
mirror clinical depression, but experts say they aren't necessarily
signs of a psychiatric condition.
"These are genuine feelings," said Myrna Weissman, a depression
researcher at Columbia University College of Physicians and Surgeons.
"But as much as political leaders are important, they are not family
or friends. These are not the events that cause real impairment in
functioning."
But Dr. Kerry Sulkowicz, a psychoanalyst and clinical professor of
psychiatry at New York University's School of Medicine, believes
"people are genuinely worried that Bush is our leader." He said
virtually all of his patients this week said they feel depressed
about
the fate of the country. "They feel helpless and dismayed by Bush's
staying power."
Alan Hilfer, director of training in the department of psychiatry at
Maimonides Medical Center in Brooklyn, observed that "They don't
quite
understand what the majority of the country is feeling. But people
are
resilient ... By next week, people will be talking about their own
issues again."
Hilfer said he is finding that patients who actually worked on the
Kerry campaign are coping better than those who only voted for him.
So what should a losing voter do?
"Some people will become passive, and lose their belief that what
they
do matters," said Christopher Peterson, a professor of psychology at
the University of Michigan who studies how people respond to bad
events. He cautions people not to let that happen.
"There is always another election. Democracy worked," he tells his
students. "Even the Red Sox eventually won the World Series."
His research on coping shows that giving up and getting emotional "is
a sure-fire way to guarantee future failure."
He and others recommend local activism as a way to counter depressed
feelings.
Maslin agreed, but advised her patients to respect their period of
mourning.
Dr. David Schlager, clinical assistant professor at Stony Brook
University Hospital, warned that if hopelessness persists, it may
signal an undiagnosed depression that could be coloring a person's
exaggerated and prolonged response to the election. In that case,
people should seek professional help, Schlager said.
Copyright =A9 2004, Newsday, Inc.
http://www.newsday.com/news/politics/ny-hsblue1106,0,7649301.story?col
l=3Dny-politics-bigpix
kvetching jew york manhattanites
they get the same angst if the bread @ Zabars
isn't quite fresh enough for their divine palates.
these mental health 'professionals' should
send em away from the office
and tend to their voodoo science unfettered
by these whiny bitches.=20
another NON-story
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| User: "Lady Chatterly" |
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08 Nov 2004 05:24:09 PM |
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In article <DZ8FDFN638298.5678125@anonymous.poster> How Does That Make You Feel <tellme@howyoufeel.now> wrote:
Singing the blue-state blues
BY JAMIE TALAN
STAFF WRITER
One of the simple but genuine pleasures in life is getting up in the
morning and hurrying to a lure you set the night before.
November 5, 2004, 7:26 PM EST
Apparently.
This week, many therapists in Kerry-friendly New York found their
clients left personal issues at home, instead seeking professional
help for post-election political despair.
I would have liked to insult you, but with your intelligence you
wouldn't get offended.
Manhattan psychologist Bonnie Maslin said many of her patients cried
about the lost election and the reality of the Republican victory.
They talked about hopelessness. They said they felt isolated,
depressed and angry.
Any connection between your reality and mine is purely coincidental.
"There is a lot of grieving and mourning -- not unlike the Jewish
shiva," Maslin said. "The level of devastation is enormous. Patients
are saying they feel that the things they cherish and value are under
siege. They feel threatened."
Is that true?
Maslin, a practicing psychologist since 1973, said she "has never seen
tears around politics" in her office. But she understands, and
counsels patients to go through the grieving "so they don't become
paralyzed by it."
Er ... wha?
Joseph LeDoux, a professor at the Center for Neural Science at New
York University, said any threatening news triggers a flood of stress
hormones that can amplify and prolong negative feelings.
Punctuality is the virtue of the bored.
The post-election emotions of many who voted for Sen. John Kerry may
mirror clinical depression, but experts say they aren't necessarily
signs of a psychiatric condition.
All of your ancestors must number in the millions, it is hard to
believe that many people are to blame for producing you.
"These are genuine feelings," said Myrna Weissman, a depression
researcher at Columbia University College of Physicians and Surgeons.
"But as much as political leaders are important, they are not family
or friends. These are not the events that cause real impairment in
functioning."
Fancy that!
But Dr. Kerry Sulkowicz, a psychoanalyst and clinical professor of
psychiatry at New York University's School of Medicine, believes
"people are genuinely worried that Bush is our leader." He said
virtually all of his patients this week said they feel depressed about
the fate of the country. "They feel helpless and dismayed by Bush's
staying power."
Why do you claim that?
Alan Hilfer, director of training in the department of psychiatry at
Maimonides Medical Center in Brooklyn, observed that "They don't quite
understand what the majority of the country is feeling. But people are
resilient ... By next week, people will be talking about their own
issues again."
There is far less medical treatment now, even though it's more
advanced. People die when they know it's time to die. No lasers.
Genetic medicine and cloning organs are the obvious new techs.
Hilfer said he is finding that patients who actually worked on the
Kerry campaign are coping better than those who only voted for him.
He is not wise that is not wise for himself.
So what should a losing voter do?
Computers can figure out all kinds of problems, except the things in
the world that just don't add up.
"Some people will become passive, and lose their belief that what they
do matters," said Christopher Peterson, a professor of psychology at
the University of Michigan who studies how people respond to bad
events. He cautions people not to let that happen.
Why the passive tone?
"There is always another election. Democracy worked," he tells his
students. "Even the Red Sox eventually won the World Series."
John Titor is our National hero. After the war, his father made a
living selling oranges up and down the West coast of Florida. His
closest friend raises horses and another works for a company that
maintains "wireless" Internet nodes.
His research on coping shows that giving up and getting emotional "is
a sure-fire way to guarantee future failure."
Are your parents siblings?
He and others recommend local activism as a way to counter depressed
feelings.
A civil war in the United States starts in 2005. The conflict flares
up and down for 10 years. In 2015, Russia launches a nuclear strike
against the major cities in the United States (which is the "other
side" of the civil war), China and Europe. The United States counter
attacks. The US cities are destroyed along with the AFE (American
Federal Empire)...thus the United States won. The European Union and
China were also destroyed. And Russia is their largest trading
partner. The Capitol of the US was moved to Omaha Nebraska shortly
thereafter.
Maslin agreed, but advised her patients to respect their period of
mourning.
Life is a bridge. Cross over it, but build no house on it.
Dr. David Schlager, clinical assistant professor at Stony Brook
University Hospital, warned that if hopelessness persists, it may
signal an undiagnosed depression that could be coloring a person's
exaggerated and prolonged response to the election. In that case,
people should seek professional help, Schlager said.
The stress of fears about the process have not done this country any
good, and they seem to be over for now.
Copyright =A9 2004, Newsday, Inc.
You don't seem very certain.
--
Lady Chatterly
"This isn't being generated by a human is it?" -- Meat-->Plow
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07 Nov 2004 01:56:59 PM |
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On 7 Nov 2004 19:37:39 -0000, How Does That Make You Feel wrote:
Singing the blue-state blues
BY JAMIE TALAN
STAFF WRITER
November 5, 2004, 7:26 PM EST
This week, many therapists in Kerry-friendly New York found their
clients left personal issues at home, instead seeking professional
help for post-election political despair.
Manhattan psychologist Bonnie Maslin said many of her patients cried
about the lost election and the reality of the Republican victory.
They talked about hopelessness. They said they felt isolated,
depressed and angry.
"There is a lot of grieving and mourning -- not unlike the Jewish
shiva," Maslin said. "The level of devastation is enormous. Patients
are saying they feel that the things they cherish and value are under
siege. They feel threatened."
Maslin, a practicing psychologist since 1973, said she "has never seen
tears around politics" in her office. But she understands, and
counsels patients to go through the grieving "so they don't become
paralyzed by it."
Joseph LeDoux, a professor at the Center for Neural Science at New
York University, said any threatening news triggers a flood of stress
hormones that can amplify and prolong negative feelings.
The post-election emotions of many who voted for Sen. John Kerry may
mirror clinical depression, but experts say they aren't necessarily
signs of a psychiatric condition.
"These are genuine feelings," said Myrna Weissman, a depression
researcher at Columbia University College of Physicians and Surgeons.
"But as much as political leaders are important, they are not family
or friends. These are not the events that cause real impairment in
functioning."
But Dr. Kerry Sulkowicz, a psychoanalyst and clinical professor of
psychiatry at New York University's School of Medicine, believes
"people are genuinely worried that Bush is our leader." He said
virtually all of his patients this week said they feel depressed about
the fate of the country. "They feel helpless and dismayed by Bush's
staying power."
Alan Hilfer, director of training in the department of psychiatry at
Maimonides Medical Center in Brooklyn, observed that "They don't quite
understand what the majority of the country is feeling. But people are
resilient ... By next week, people will be talking about their own
issues again."
Hilfer said he is finding that patients who actually worked on the
Kerry campaign are coping better than those who only voted for him.
So what should a losing voter do?
"Some people will become passive, and lose their belief that what they
do matters," said Christopher Peterson, a professor of psychology at
the University of Michigan who studies how people respond to bad
events. He cautions people not to let that happen.
"There is always another election. Democracy worked," he tells his
students. "Even the Red Sox eventually won the World Series."
His research on coping shows that giving up and getting emotional "is
a sure-fire way to guarantee future failure."
He and others recommend local activism as a way to counter depressed
feelings.
Maslin agreed, but advised her patients to respect their period of
mourning.
Dr. David Schlager, clinical assistant professor at Stony Brook
University Hospital, warned that if hopelessness persists, it may
signal an undiagnosed depression that could be coloring a person's
exaggerated and prolonged response to the election. In that case,
people should seek professional help, Schlager said.
Copyright © 2004, Newsday, Inc.
http://www.newsday.com/news/politics/ny-hsblue1106,0,7649301.story?col
l=ny-politics-bigpix
There should be a law against allowing unstable peeps like that to vote or
participate in any political issues.
The irony thing is that this does not say much about the stability of the
democratic party. They are all dwelling in a pity party, wearing their
feelings on their sleeves not realizing what fools they make of themselves
to the populace at large. It should give reasonable democrat's pause to
reconsider the mental health of their party and work towards reshaping it.
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07 Nov 2004 06:51:43 PM |
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"Iceman" <1c3m4n@chi-mafia.org> wrote in message
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There should be a law against allowing unstable peeps like that to vote or
participate in any political issues.
Fool. All glory is fleeting. You'll get your comeuppance soon enough.
The irony thing is that this does not say much about the stability of the
democratic party. They are all dwelling in a pity party, wearing their
feelings on their sleeves not realizing what fools they make of themselves
to the populace at large. It should give reasonable democrat's pause to
reconsider the mental health of their party and work towards reshaping it.
Hmmm...something foolish followed by something reasonable. Maybe you should
seek therapy for your split personality.
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07 Nov 2004 10:23:23 PM |
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On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 00:51:43 GMT, Dale wrote:
"Iceman" <1c3m4n@chi-mafia.org> wrote in message
news:11mromaghf7lx$.dlg@icepick.org...
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There should be a law against allowing unstable peeps like that to vote or
participate in any political issues.
Fool. All glory is fleeting. You'll get your comeuppance soon enough.
The irony thing is that this does not say much about the stability of the
democratic party. They are all dwelling in a pity party, wearing their
feelings on their sleeves not realizing what fools they make of themselves
to the populace at large. It should give reasonable democrat's pause to
reconsider the mental health of their party and work towards reshaping it.
Hmmm...something foolish followed by something reasonable. Maybe you should
seek therapy for your split personality.
LOL, which half, the sarcastic one?
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07 Nov 2004 05:14:43 PM |
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Iceman wrote:
On 7 Nov 2004 19:37:39 -0000, How Does That Make You Feel wrote:
Singing the blue-state blues
BY JAMIE TALAN
STAFF WRITER
November 5, 2004, 7:26 PM EST
This week, many therapists in Kerry-friendly New York found their
clients left personal issues at home, instead seeking professional
help for post-election political despair.
Manhattan psychologist Bonnie Maslin said many of her patients cried
about the lost election and the reality of the Republican victory.
They talked about hopelessness. They said they felt isolated,
depressed and angry.
"There is a lot of grieving and mourning -- not unlike the Jewish
shiva," Maslin said. "The level of devastation is enormous. Patients
are saying they feel that the things they cherish and value are under
siege. They feel threatened."
Maslin, a practicing psychologist since 1973, said she "has never seen
tears around politics" in her office. But she understands, and
counsels patients to go through the grieving "so they don't become
paralyzed by it."
Joseph LeDoux, a professor at the Center for Neural Science at New
York University, said any threatening news triggers a flood of stress
hormones that can amplify and prolong negative feelings.
The post-election emotions of many who voted for Sen. John Kerry may
mirror clinical depression, but experts say they aren't necessarily
signs of a psychiatric condition.
"These are genuine feelings," said Myrna Weissman, a depression
researcher at Columbia University College of Physicians and Surgeons.
"But as much as political leaders are important, they are not family
or friends. These are not the events that cause real impairment in
functioning."
But Dr. Kerry Sulkowicz, a psychoanalyst and clinical professor of
psychiatry at New York University's School of Medicine, believes
"people are genuinely worried that Bush is our leader." He said
virtually all of his patients this week said they feel depressed about
the fate of the country. "They feel helpless and dismayed by Bush's
staying power."
Alan Hilfer, director of training in the department of psychiatry at
Maimonides Medical Center in Brooklyn, observed that "They don't quite
understand what the majority of the country is feeling. But people are
resilient ... By next week, people will be talking about their own
issues again."
Hilfer said he is finding that patients who actually worked on the
Kerry campaign are coping better than those who only voted for him.
So what should a losing voter do?
"Some people will become passive, and lose their belief that what they
do matters," said Christopher Peterson, a professor of psychology at
the University of Michigan who studies how people respond to bad
events. He cautions people not to let that happen.
"There is always another election. Democracy worked," he tells his
students. "Even the Red Sox eventually won the World Series."
His research on coping shows that giving up and getting emotional "is
a sure-fire way to guarantee future failure."
He and others recommend local activism as a way to counter depressed
feelings.
Maslin agreed, but advised her patients to respect their period of
mourning.
Dr. David Schlager, clinical assistant professor at Stony Brook
University Hospital, warned that if hopelessness persists, it may
signal an undiagnosed depression that could be coloring a person's
exaggerated and prolonged response to the election. In that case,
people should seek professional help, Schlager said.
Copyright © 2004, Newsday, Inc.
http://www.newsday.com/news/politics/ny-hsblue1106,0,7649301.story?col
l=ny-politics-bigpix
There should be a law against allowing unstable peeps like that to vote or
participate in any political issues.
The irony thing is that this does not say much about the stability of the
democratic party. They are all dwelling in a pity party, wearing their
feelings on their sleeves not realizing what fools they make of themselves
to the populace at large. It should give reasonable democrat's pause to
reconsider the mental health of their party and work towards reshaping it.
And what's your sage advice as a self-righteous Winner to all us sad
losers--perhaps a snappy and upbeat "Don't worry. Be happy"? And that, even
though Muslim terrorists and Arab hatred toward us grows in intensity and by
larger numbers each and every day with 100,000 Iraqi civilian deaths (a mere
33 times as many casualties as we experienced on 9/11) but also the promise of
many more deaths yet to come. I suppose we poor losers ought to be exulting
in the fact that the US is still able to thumb its nose at the concerns of the
rest of the civilized world, and "have faith" we can win the war on terrorists
all by ourselves--if we want to. Additionally we ought to be happy that
almost
half our population still believes the official intimations that Saddam was in
involved in 9/11, even though no evidence exists to support it. Not to
mention the fact that among some 45 million of us Americans, both children and
adults, tens of thousands die each year because of a lack of adequate health
insurance. Above all, though we ceremoniously regret the cost of so many
hundreds of soldier's lives in a far flung country in a needless war, we
should be gratified to still be able to elect our nation's leadership on the
basis
of "moral values" (strictly limited to matters of reproduction and sex, of
course).
Denny
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07 Nov 2004 06:15:21 PM |
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On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 18:14:43 -0500, dgillesp wrote:
http://www.newsday.com/news/politics/ny-hsblue1106,0,7649301.story?col
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There should be a law against allowing unstable peeps like that to vote or
participate in any political issues.
The irony thing is that this does not say much about the stability of the
democratic party. They are all dwelling in a pity party, wearing their
feelings on their sleeves not realizing what fools they make of themselves
to the populace at large. It should give reasonable democrat's pause to
reconsider the mental health of their party and work towards reshaping it.
And what's your sage advice as a self-righteous Winner to all us sad
losers--perhaps a snappy and upbeat "Don't worry. Be happy"? And that, even
though Muslim terrorists and Arab hatred toward us grows in intensity and by
larger numbers each and every day with 100,000 Iraqi civilian deaths (a mere
33 times as many casualties as we experienced on 9/11) but also the promise of
many more deaths yet to come. I suppose we poor losers ought to be exulting
in the fact that the US is still able to thumb its nose at the concerns of the
rest of the civilized world, and "have faith" we can win the war on terrorists
all by ourselves--if we want to. Additionally we ought to be happy that
almost
half our population still believes the official intimations that Saddam was in
involved in 9/11, even though no evidence exists to support it. Not to
mention the fact that among some 45 million of us Americans, both children and
adults, tens of thousands die each year because of a lack of adequate health
insurance. Above all, though we ceremoniously regret the cost of so many
hundreds of soldier's lives in a far flung country in a needless war, we
should be gratified to still be able to elect our nation's leadership on the
basis
of "moral values" (strictly limited to matters of reproduction and sex, of
course).
Denny
I see that the fear of the terrorist has molded your thinking. Why not go
try and explain that to them and see how far you'd get. Face it you
ignorant Boob, had we done nothing they would have only increased their
efforts as they would see your weakness and exploited it.
Have you forgotten what a past democrat did to the freakin Moslems? Huh?
You sure have you sorry *****.
10's of thousands? BWAAHAHAHAHAHAHA! At that rate our population would
decline so fast that the SS problem would take care of itself. lol.
As to the needless war only an idiot would state such a thing. Would you
consider the Nederlands peaceful? A small country who are inoffensive? I'd
bet you would, yet they were attacked and a Jihad was started against them
as well. I bet you believe that crap that Kerry said about terrorism being
a nuisance thing. Yeah, its a nuisance until someone you love is blown to
bits, which only shows how little you care for your fellow man. As long as
it hasn't directly affected you it is unimportant.
You've proven yourself a selfish uncaring person, you just want others to
care about your pea pickin self and give you free health care, welfare, and
the like. If everyone was like you there would be no one to tax and steal
from so you could survive. Yup, you are one of those who would give up your
personal freedoms and dignity to be "taken care of".
Please feel free to be a dedicated Democrat or join your friends in the
looney bin.
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On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 19:56:59 GMT in alt.atheism, Iceman <1c3m4n@chi-mafia.org>
defied the status quo and scrawled upon the toilet stall:
On 7 Nov 2004 19:37:39 -0000, How Does That Make You Feel wrote:
Singing the blue-state blues
BY JAMIE TALAN
STAFF WRITER
November 5, 2004, 7:26 PM EST
This week, many therapists in Kerry-friendly New York found their
clients left personal issues at home, instead seeking professional
help for post-election political despair.
Manhattan psychologist Bonnie Maslin said many of her patients cried
about the lost election and the reality of the Republican victory.
They talked about hopelessness. They said they felt isolated,
depressed and angry.
"There is a lot of grieving and mourning -- not unlike the Jewish
shiva," Maslin said. "The level of devastation is enormous. Patients
are saying they feel that the things they cherish and value are under
siege. They feel threatened."
Maslin, a practicing psychologist since 1973, said she "has never seen
tears around politics" in her office. But she understands, and
counsels patients to go through the grieving "so they don't become
paralyzed by it."
Joseph LeDoux, a professor at the Center for Neural Science at New
York University, said any threatening news triggers a flood of stress
hormones that can amplify and prolong negative feelings.
The post-election emotions of many who voted for Sen. John Kerry may
mirror clinical depression, but experts say they aren't necessarily
signs of a psychiatric condition.
"These are genuine feelings," said Myrna Weissman, a depression
researcher at Columbia University College of Physicians and Surgeons.
"But as much as political leaders are important, they are not family
or friends. These are not the events that cause real impairment in
functioning."
But Dr. Kerry Sulkowicz, a psychoanalyst and clinical professor of
psychiatry at New York University's School of Medicine, believes
"people are genuinely worried that Bush is our leader." He said
virtually all of his patients this week said they feel depressed about
the fate of the country. "They feel helpless and dismayed by Bush's
staying power."
Alan Hilfer, director of training in the department of psychiatry at
Maimonides Medical Center in Brooklyn, observed that "They don't quite
understand what the majority of the country is feeling. But people are
resilient ... By next week, people will be talking about their own
issues again."
Hilfer said he is finding that patients who actually worked on the
Kerry campaign are coping better than those who only voted for him.
So what should a losing voter do?
"Some people will become passive, and lose their belief that what they
do matters," said Christopher Peterson, a professor of psychology at
the University of Michigan who studies how people respond to bad
events. He cautions people not to let that happen.
"There is always another election. Democracy worked," he tells his
students. "Even the Red Sox eventually won the World Series."
His research on coping shows that giving up and getting emotional "is
a sure-fire way to guarantee future failure."
He and others recommend local activism as a way to counter depressed
feelings.
Maslin agreed, but advised her patients to respect their period of
mourning.
Dr. David Schlager, clinical assistant professor at Stony Brook
University Hospital, warned that if hopelessness persists, it may
signal an undiagnosed depression that could be coloring a person's
exaggerated and prolonged response to the election. In that case,
people should seek professional help, Schlager said.
Copyright © 2004, Newsday, Inc.
http://www.newsday.com/news/politics/ny-hsblue1106,0,7649301.story?col
l=ny-politics-bigpix
There should be a law against allowing unstable peeps like that to vote or
participate in any political issues.
The irony thing is that this does not say much about the stability of the
democratic party. They are all dwelling in a pity party, wearing their
feelings on their sleeves not realizing what fools they make of themselves
to the populace at large. It should give reasonable democrat's pause to
reconsider the mental health of their party and work towards reshaping it.
I guess you missed the part about all those conservatives weeping and gnashing
teeth and holding all-night "prayer vigils" over the prospect of Shrub possibly
losing? If so, and you honestly think such behavior indicates people who
shouldn't vote, the Republican party would have been virtually absent from the
polls.
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L8r,
Uncle Dollar Bill
"Opinions are like people - every ***** has one..."
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08 Nov 2004 07:12:02 PM |
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On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 18:27:47 -0800, Uncle Dollar Bill wrote:
I guess you missed the part about all those conservatives weeping and gnashing
teeth and holding all-night "prayer vigils" over the prospect of Shrub possibly
losing? If so, and you honestly think such behavior indicates people who
shouldn't vote, the Republican party would have been virtually absent from the
polls.
It never happened. That is just a grossly distorted view from the
perspective of the demented.
Face it, you did not win the election. You did not lose it as it was not
yours to lose.
Please hold true to your beliefs, if you do we are certain to win again.
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09 Nov 2004 09:04:14 AM |
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On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 01:12:02 GMT in alt.atheism, Iceman <1c3m4n@chi-mafia.org>
defied the status quo and scrawled upon the toilet stall:
On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 18:27:47 -0800, Uncle Dollar Bill wrote:
I guess you missed the part about all those conservatives weeping and gnashing
teeth and holding all-night "prayer vigils" over the prospect of Shrub possibly
losing? If so, and you honestly think such behavior indicates people who
shouldn't vote, the Republican party would have been virtually absent from the
polls.
It never happened.
So all those sane, religious people that were doing it on camera, on the radio
and in neighborhood prayer vigils around the country didn't exist? My, but you
_are_ good at self-delusion. :-)
That is just a grossly distorted view from the
perspective of the demented.
I agree. Those crying, weeping, praying conservatives _were_ demented.
Face it, you did not win the election. You did not lose it as it was not
yours to lose.
I didn't run, so of _course_ I didn't win the election. :-) Face it, it's not
"all liberals" = "crazy, bad, evil, etc..." "all conservatives" = "moral, holy,
superior". There's a bit of crazy, bad, sane & good on both sides.
Please hold true to your beliefs, if you do we are certain to win again.
This was meaningless. Have anything _relevant_ to say? :-?
--
L8r,
Uncle Dollar Bill
"Opinions are like people - every ***** has one..."
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09 Nov 2004 05:35:06 PM |
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On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 07:04:14 -0800, Uncle Dollar Bill wrote:
On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 01:12:02 GMT in alt.atheism, Iceman <1c3m4n@chi-mafia.org>
defied the status quo and scrawled upon the toilet stall:
On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 18:27:47 -0800, Uncle Dollar Bill wrote:
I guess you missed the part about all those conservatives weeping and gnashing
teeth and holding all-night "prayer vigils" over the prospect of Shrub possibly
losing? If so, and you honestly think such behavior indicates people who
shouldn't vote, the Republican party would have been virtually absent from the
polls.
It never happened.
So all those sane, religious people that were doing it on camera, on the radio
and in neighborhood prayer vigils around the country didn't exist? My, but you
_are_ good at self-delusion. :-)
No you dumb *****, there was no weeping and wailing then, but the dems are
sure doing that now! LMAO
Oh help me, oh help me Mr. Psychologist, pulleeese??
BWAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
That is just a grossly distorted view from the
perspective of the demented.
I agree. Those crying, weeping, praying conservatives _were_ demented.
See above, DDD.
Face it, you did not win the election. You did not lose it as it was not
yours to lose.
I didn't run, so of _course_ I didn't win the election. :-) Face it, it's not
"all liberals" = "crazy, bad, evil, etc..." "all conservatives" = "moral, holy,
superior". There's a bit of crazy, bad, sane & good on both sides.
OH? A little backtracking? *snicker*
Please hold true to your beliefs, if you do we are certain to win again.
This was meaningless. Have anything _relevant_ to say? :-?
Heh, I responded in kind, throwing pearls before swine is not my cup of
tea.
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09 Nov 2004 05:53:33 PM |
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In article <12dxggx0djqwn.dlg@icepick.org>, posted Tue, 09 Nov
2004 23:35:06 GMT, Iceman says...
On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 07:04:14 -0800, Uncle Dollar Bill wrote:
On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 01:12:02 GMT in alt.atheism, Iceman < >
defied the status quo and scrawled upon the toilet stall:
On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 18:27:47 -0800, Uncle Dollar Bill wrote:
I guess you missed the part about all those conservatives weeping and gnashing
teeth and holding all-night "prayer vigils" over the prospect of Shrub possibly
losing? If so, and you honestly think such behavior indicates people who
shouldn't vote, the Republican party would have been virtually absent from the
polls.
It never happened.
So all those sane, religious people that were doing it on camera, on the radio
and in neighborhood prayer vigils around the country didn't exist? My, but you
_are_ good at self-delusion. :-)
No you dumb *****, there was no weeping and wailing then, but the dems are
sure doing that now! LMAO
Maybe they feel the way I do; worried about the economy, the
Iraqi breeding ground of terror, and a future constitution that
mandates fundamentalist religion.
Oh help me, oh help me Mr. Psychologist, pulleeese??
BWAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
WTF?
That is just a grossly distorted view from the
perspective of the demented.
I agree. Those crying, weeping, praying conservatives _were_ demented.
See above, DDD.
Face it, you did not win the election. You did not lose it as it was not
yours to lose.
I didn't run, so of _course_ I didn't win the election. :-) Face it, it's not
"all liberals" = "crazy, bad, evil, etc..." "all conservatives" = "moral, holy,
superior". There's a bit of crazy, bad, sane & good on both sides.
OH? A little backtracking? *snicker*
Please hold true to your beliefs, if you do we are certain to win again.
This was meaningless. Have anything _relevant_ to say? :-?
Heh, I responded in kind, throwing pearls before swine is not my cup of
tea.
Kali
--
For information about Brad Jesness:
http://www.wilhelp.com/bj_faq
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09 Nov 2004 07:54:16 PM |
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On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 23:53:33 GMT, Kali wrote:
In article <12dxggx0djqwn.dlg@icepick.org>, posted Tue, 09 Nov
2004 23:35:06 GMT, Iceman says...
On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 07:04:14 -0800, Uncle Dollar Bill wrote:
On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 01:12:02 GMT in alt.atheism, Iceman < >
defied the status quo and scrawled upon the toilet stall:
On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 18:27:47 -0800, Uncle Dollar Bill wrote:
I guess you missed the part about all those conservatives weeping and gnashing
teeth and holding all-night "prayer vigils" over the prospect of Shrub possibly
losing? If so, and you honestly think such behavior indicates people who
shouldn't vote, the Republican party would have been virtually absent from the
polls.
It never happened.
So all those sane, religious people that were doing it on camera, on the radio
and in neighborhood prayer vigils around the country didn't exist? My, but you
_are_ good at self-delusion. :-)
No you dumb *****, there was no weeping and wailing then, but the dems are
sure doing that now! LMAO
Maybe they feel the way I do; worried about the economy, the
Iraqi breeding ground of terror, and a future constitution that
mandates fundamentalist religion.
Economy is still on the upswing, stocks going higher, bear market is over,
jobs on the rise. Iraq has always been a breeding ground, now Iran is
taking that function over along with Syria's continuation of same. As to
mandating religion, where pray tell? It'll never happen here. The
constitution guarantees it. It was put there due to what happened in Merry
Ole England, but most peeps haven't a clue as to what separation of Church
and State is. :(
One of the problems re: truth and lies was that the mainstream dem defended
Bills actions by stating that it is what politicians do. Then they started
believing that to the extent that they feel all of them do.
I'd love it if all politicians were held accountable for their words, and
done equitably.
Oh help me, oh help me Mr. Psychologist, pulleeese??
BWAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
WTF?
Guess you missed the part of the democratic masses seeking help from their
counselors?
<snipped>
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10 Nov 2004 07:58:05 PM |
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In article <6vwuuqhmhpya$.dlg@icepick.org>, posted Wed, 10 Nov
2004 01:54:16 GMT, Iceman says...
On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 23:53:33 GMT, Kali wrote:
In article <12dxggx0djqwn.dlg@icepick.org>, posted Tue, 09 Nov
2004 23:35:06 GMT, Iceman says...
snip
No you dumb *****, there was no weeping and wailing then, but the dems are
sure doing that now! LMAO
Maybe they feel the way I do; worried about the economy, the
Iraqi breeding ground of terror, and a future constitution that
mandates fundamentalist religion.
Economy is still on the upswing, stocks going higher, bear market is over,
jobs on the rise.
Where? Not in my part of the country. The jobless rate is a
disgrace and inflation is skyrocketing. Just in the past year:
energy costs up 70%, homeowner's insurance 200%, food and
clothing ~ 45%. In education (my field) there have been lay offs
and hiring and salary freezes because Bush took education funds
away from the states to buy a war. Because of this, state income
tax and property taxes are soaring and a lot of college eligible
kids are being left behind because they can't afford the tuition
(up nearly 200% here in Wisconsin). In the elementary schools
teachers are showing kids how to pass tests in an under funding
federal program, which lowers the quality of education. If
you're fortunate enough to own stock, good for you. Most people
in this country can't afford to take such a risk right now. If
your taxes went down, good for you. Mine keep going up. What
happens when your teachers get a pay freeze and the inflation
rate keeps going up?
Get out much amongst the little people? Maybe hope springs
eternal for the so-called trickle down economics, but it has
never worked, not once, in the entire history of this country.
All it does is squeeze the middle class down and out.
Iraq has always been a breeding ground, now Iran is
taking that function over along with Syria's continuation of same. As to
mandating religion, where pray tell? It'll never happen here. The
constitution guarantees it. It was put there due to what happened in Merry
Ole England, but most peeps haven't a clue as to what separation of Church
and State is. :(
Right. Like your republican party, now fully owned and operated
by the religious right wing. Congratulations.
One of the problems re: truth and lies was that the mainstream dem defended
Bills actions by stating that it is what politicians do. Then they started
believing that to the extent that they feel all of them do.
I'd love it if all politicians were held accountable for their words, and
done equitably.
Oh help me, oh help me Mr. Psychologist, pulleeese??
BWAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
WTF?
Guess you missed the part of the democratic masses seeking help from their
counselors?
<snipped>
No, I was just expressing my astonishment at your insensitivity.
Who are you? But perhaps the election has brought out the worst
in some people. It's short lived (I hope) but nearly half your
fellow Americans are literally grieving. You wanted Bush in
there and you got it. So why make fun of people who, for several
good reasons, are really concerned about their country right
now? We don't share the same vision about what it means to get
the country on the right track. This election wasn't about your
guy vs. my guy or really so much republican vs. dem; the divide
runs deep this time, and the lines of demarcation are clear. I
find it chilling. But I'll get over it.
Kali
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For information about Brad Jesness:
http://www.wilhelp.com/bj_faq
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On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 23:35:06 GMT in alt.atheism, Iceman <1c3m4n@chi-mafia.org>
defied the status quo and scrawled upon the toilet stall:
On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 07:04:14 -0800, Uncle Dollar Bill wrote:
On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 01:12:02 GMT in alt.atheism, Iceman <1c3m4n@chi-mafia.org>
defied the status quo and scrawled upon the toilet stall:
On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 18:27:47 -0800, Uncle Dollar Bill wrote:
I guess you missed the part about all those conservatives weeping and gnashing
teeth and holding all-night "prayer vigils" over the prospect of Shrub possibly
losing? If so, and you honestly think such behavior indicates people who
shouldn't vote, the Republican party would have been virtually absent from the
polls.
It never happened.
So all those sane, religious people that were doing it on camera, on the radio
and in neighborhood prayer vigils around the country didn't exist? My, but you
_are_ good at self-delusion. :-)
No you dumb *****, there was no weeping and wailing then, but the dems are
sure doing that now! LMAO
LOL! Good job, you're a walking advertisement for your alleged views. :-)
--
L8r,
Uncle Dollar Bill
"Opinions are like people - every ***** has one..."
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10 Nov 2004 09:05:31 AM |
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On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 07:18:19 -0800, Uncle Dollar Bill wrote:
On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 23:35:06 GMT in alt.atheism, Iceman <1c3m4n@chi-mafia.org>
defied the status quo and scrawled upon the toilet stall:
On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 07:04:14 -0800, Uncle Dollar Bill wrote:
On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 01:12:02 GMT in alt.atheism, Iceman <1c3m4n@chi-mafia.org>
defied the status quo and scrawled upon the toilet stall:
On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 18:27:47 -0800, Uncle Dollar Bill wrote:
I guess you missed the part about all those conservatives weeping and gnashing
teeth and holding all-night "prayer vigils" over the prospect of Shrub possibly
losing? If so, and you honestly think such behavior indicates people who
shouldn't vote, the Republican party would have been virtually absent from the
polls.
It never happened.
So all those sane, religious people that were doing it on camera, on the radio
and in neighborhood prayer vigils around the country didn't exist? My, but you
_are_ good at self-delusion. :-)
No you dumb *****, there was no weeping and wailing then, but the dems are
sure doing that now! LMAO
LOL! Good job,
Thank yew, I jus knu you'd git it.
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07 Nov 2004 02:44:17 PM |
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On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 19:56:59 GMT, Iceman <1c3m4n@chi-mafia.org> wrote:
On 7 Nov 2004 19:37:39 -0000, How Does That Make You Feel wrote:
Singing the blue-state blues
BY JAMIE TALAN
STAFF WRITER
November 5, 2004, 7:26 PM EST
This week, many therapists in Kerry-friendly New York found their
clients left personal issues at home, instead seeking professional
help for post-election political despair.
Manhattan psychologist Bonnie Maslin said many of her patients cried
about the lost election and the reality of the Republican victory.
They talked about hopelessness. They said they felt isolated,
depressed and angry.
"There is a lot of grieving and mourning -- not unlike the Jewish
shiva," Maslin said. "The level of devastation is enormous. Patients
are saying they feel that the things they cherish and value are under
siege. They feel threatened."
Maslin, a practicing psychologist since 1973, said she "has never seen
tears around politics" in her office. But she understands, and
counsels patients to go through the grieving "so they don't become
paralyzed by it."
Joseph LeDoux, a professor at the Center for Neural Science at New
York University, said any threatening news triggers a flood of stress
hormones that can amplify and prolong negative feelings.
The post-election emotions of many who voted for Sen. John Kerry may
mirror clinical depression, but experts say they aren't necessarily
signs of a psychiatric condition.
"These are genuine feelings," said Myrna Weissman, a depression
researcher at Columbia University College of Physicians and Surgeons.
"But as much as political leaders are important, they are not family
or friends. These are not the events that cause real impairment in
functioning."
But Dr. Kerry Sulkowicz, a psychoanalyst and clinical professor of
psychiatry at New York University's School of Medicine, believes
"people are genuinely worried that Bush is our leader." He said
virtually all of his patients this week said they feel depressed about
the fate of the country. "They feel helpless and dismayed by Bush's
staying power."
Alan Hilfer, director of training in the department of psychiatry at
Maimonides Medical Center in Brooklyn, observed that "They don't quite
understand what the majority of the country is feeling. But people are
resilient ... By next week, people will be talking about their own
issues again."
Hilfer said he is finding that patients who actually worked on the
Kerry campaign are coping better than those who only voted for him.
So what should a losing voter do?
"Some people will become passive, and lose their belief that what they
do matters," said Christopher Peterson, a professor of psychology at
the University of Michigan who studies how people respond to bad
events. He cautions people not to let that happen.
"There is always another election. Democracy worked," he tells his
students. "Even the Red Sox eventually won the World Series."
His research on coping shows that giving up and getting emotional "is
a sure-fire way to guarantee future failure."
He and others recommend local activism as a way to counter depressed
feelings.
Maslin agreed, but advised her patients to respect their period of
mourning.
Dr. David Schlager, clinical assistant professor at Stony Brook
University Hospital, warned that if hopelessness persists, it may
signal an undiagnosed depression that could be coloring a person's
exaggerated and prolonged response to the election. In that case,
people should seek professional help, Schlager said.
Copyright © 2004, Newsday, Inc.
http://www.newsday.com/news/politics/ny-hsblue1106,0,7649301.story?col
l=ny-politics-bigpix
There should be a law against allowing unstable peeps like that to vote or
participate in any political issues.
The irony thing is that this does not say much about the stability of the
democratic party. They are all dwelling in a pity party, wearing their
feelings on their sleeves not realizing what fools they make of themselves
to the populace at large. It should give reasonable democrat's pause to
reconsider the mental health of their party and work towards reshaping it.
Bush betrayed this country. Half the country was shocked and half the
country pretended it didn't happen and supported him. Only an insane
person would think that being horrified and frightened that half the
country is that insane is an sign of instability.
Sorry - this only makes you sound mentally ill.
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08 Nov 2004 02:38:44 AM |
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On 7 Nov 2004 14:44:17 -0600, (Kate ) wrote:
On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 19:56:59 GMT, Iceman <1c3m4n@chi-mafia.org> wrote:
On 7 Nov 2004 19:37:39 -0000, How Does That Make You Feel wrote:
Singing the blue-state blues
BY JAMIE TALAN
STAFF WRITER
November 5, 2004, 7:26 PM EST
This week, many therapists in Kerry-friendly New York found their
clients left personal issues at home, instead seeking professional
help for post-election political despair.
Manhattan psychologist Bonnie Maslin said many of her patients cried
about the lost election and the reality of the Republican victory.
They talked about hopelessness. They said they felt isolated,
depressed and angry.
"There is a lot of grieving and mourning -- not unlike the Jewish
shiva," Maslin said. "The level of devastation is enormous. Patients
are saying they feel that the things they cherish and value are under
siege. They feel threatened."
Maslin, a practicing psychologist since 1973, said she "has never seen
tears around politics" in her office. But she understands, and
counsels patients to go through the grieving "so they don't become
paralyzed by it."
Joseph LeDoux, a professor at the Center for Neural Science at New
York University, said any threatening news triggers a flood of stress
hormones that can amplify and prolong negative feelings.
The post-election emotions of many who voted for Sen. John Kerry may
mirror clinical depression, but experts say they aren't necessarily
signs of a psychiatric condition.
"These are genuine feelings," said Myrna Weissman, a depression
researcher at Columbia University College of Physicians and Surgeons.
"But as much as political leaders are important, they are not family
or friends. These are not the events that cause real impairment in
functioning."
But Dr. Kerry Sulkowicz, a psychoanalyst and clinical professor of
psychiatry at New York University's School of Medicine, believes
"people are genuinely worried that Bush is our leader." He said
virtually all of his patients this week said they feel depressed about
the fate of the country. "They feel helpless and dismayed by Bush's
staying power."
Alan Hilfer, director of training in the department of psychiatry at
Maimonides Medical Center in Brooklyn, observed that "They don't quite
understand what the majority of the country is feeling. But people are
resilient ... By next week, people will be talking about their own
issues again."
Hilfer said he is finding that patients who actually worked on the
Kerry campaign are coping better than those who only voted for him.
So what should a losing voter do?
"Some people will become passive, and lose their belief that what they
do matters," said Christopher Peterson, a professor of psychology at
the University of Michigan who studies how people respond to bad
events. He cautions people not to let that happen.
"There is always another election. Democracy worked," he tells his
students. "Even the Red Sox eventually won the World Series."
His research on coping shows that giving up and getting emotional "is
a sure-fire way to guarantee future failure."
He and others recommend local activism as a way to counter depressed
feelings.
Maslin agreed, but advised her patients to respect their period of
mourning.
Dr. David Schlager, clinical assistant professor at Stony Brook
University Hospital, warned that if hopelessness persists, it may
signal an undiagnosed depression that could be coloring a person's
exaggerated and prolonged response to the election. In that case,
people should seek professional help, Schlager said.
Copyright © 2004, Newsday, Inc.
http://www.newsday.com/news/politics/ny-hsblue1106,0,7649301.story?col
l=ny-politics-bigpix
There should be a law against allowing unstable peeps like that to vote or
participate in any political issues.
The irony thing is that this does not say much about the stability of the
democratic party. They are all dwelling in a pity party, wearing their
feelings on their sleeves not realizing what fools they make of themselves
to the populace at large. It should give reasonable democrat's pause to
reconsider the mental health of their party and work towards reshaping it.
Bush betrayed this country. Half the country was shocked and half the
country pretended it didn't happen and supported him.
No, Kate- half the country disagrees with his policies and half the
country does not. Those that do agree with Bush's policies slightly
outnumber those who do not. So he was elected president- again. Not
because that other half is stupid, brainwashed or ultra-religious, but
because they see things differently than you see them. You were not
betrayed by anyone.
Only an insane
person would think that being horrified and frightened that half the
country is that insane is an sign of instability.
Sorry - this only makes you sound mentally ill.
And it makes you sound childish. There are many reasons for disliking
the outcome of an election where the candidate you supported lost-
but accusing the 52% that didn't vote for your guy of being insane is
just silly.
-Godfrey
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The truth is a precious commodity. That's why I use it so sparingly.
- Mark Twain
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08 Nov 2004 09:13:16 AM |
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On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 08:38:44 GMT, Godfrey <No@Email.Provided> wrote:
On 7 Nov 2004 14:44:17 -0600, (Kate ) wrote:
On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 19:56:59 GMT, Iceman <1c3m4n@chi-mafia.org> wrote:
On 7 Nov 2004 19:37:39 -0000, How Does That Make You Feel wrote:
Singing the blue-state blues
BY JAMIE TALAN
STAFF WRITER
November 5, 2004, 7:26 PM EST
This week, many therapists in Kerry-friendly New York found their
clients left personal issues at home, instead seeking professional
help for post-election political despair.
Manhattan psychologist Bonnie Maslin said many of her patients cried
about the lost election and the reality of the Republican victory.
They talked about hopelessness. They said they felt isolated,
depressed and angry.
"There is a lot of grieving and mourning -- not unlike the Jewish
shiva," Maslin said. "The level of devastation is enormous. Patients
are saying they feel that the things they cherish and value are under
siege. They feel threatened."
Maslin, a practicing psychologist since 1973, said she "has never seen
tears around politics" in her office. But she understands, and
counsels patients to go through the grieving "so they don't become
paralyzed by it."
Joseph LeDoux, a professor at the Center for Neural Science at New
York University, said any threatening news triggers a flood of stress
hormones that can amplify and prolong negative feelings.
The post-election emotions of many who voted for Sen. John Kerry may
mirror clinical depression, but experts say they aren't necessarily
signs of a psychiatric condition.
"These are genuine feelings," said Myrna Weissman, a depression
researcher at Columbia University College of Physicians and Surgeons.
"But as much as political leaders are important, they are not family
or friends. These are not the events that cause real impairment in
functioning."
But Dr. Kerry Sulkowicz, a psychoanalyst and clinical professor of
psychiatry at New York University's School of Medicine, believes
"people are genuinely worried that Bush is our leader." He said
virtually all of his patients this week said they feel depressed about
the fate of the country. "They feel helpless and dismayed by Bush's
staying power."
Alan Hilfer, director of training in the department of psychiatry at
Maimonides Medical Center in Brooklyn, observed that "They don't quite
understand what the majority of the country is feeling. But people are
resilient ... By next week, people will be talking about their own
issues again."
Hilfer said he is finding that patients who actually worked on the
Kerry campaign are coping better than those who only voted for him.
So what should a losing voter do?
"Some people will become passive, and lose their belief that what they
do matters," said Christopher Peterson, a professor of psychology at
the University of Michigan who studies how people respond to bad
events. He cautions people not to let that happen.
"There is always another election. Democracy worked," he tells his
students. "Even the Red Sox eventually won the World Series."
His research on coping shows that giving up and getting emotional "is
a sure-fire way to guarantee future failure."
He and others recommend local activism as a way to counter depressed
feelings.
Maslin agreed, but advised her patients to respect their period of
mourning.
Dr. David Schlager, clinical assistant professor at Stony Brook
University Hospital, warned that if hopelessness persists, it may
signal an undiagnosed depression that could be coloring a person's
exaggerated and prolonged response to the election. In that case,
people should seek professional help, Schlager said.
Copyright © 2004, Newsday, Inc.
http://www.newsday.com/news/politics/ny-hsblue1106,0,7649301.story?col
l=ny-politics-bigpix
There should be a law against allowing unstable peeps like that to vote or
participate in any political issues.
The irony thing is that this does not say much about the stability of the
democratic party. They are all dwelling in a pity party, wearing their
feelings on their sleeves not realizing what fools they make of themselves
to the populace at large. It should give reasonable democrat's pause to
reconsider the mental health of their party and work towards reshaping it.
Bush betrayed this country. Half the country was shocked and half the
country pretended it didn't happen and supported him.
No, Kate- half the country disagrees with his policies and half the
country does not. Those that do agree with Bush's policies slightly
outnumber those who do not. So he was elected president- again. Not
because that other half is stupid, brainwashed or ultra-religious, but
because they see things differently than you see them. You were not
betrayed by anyone.
Hardly Godfrey. If that's what you got from the election, your head
was buried under the sand.
Only an insane
person would think that being horrified and frightened that half the
country is that insane is an sign of instability.
Sorry - this only makes you sound mentally ill.
And it makes you sound childish. There are many reasons for disliking
the outcome of an election where the candidate you supported lost-
but accusing the 52% that didn't vote for your guy of being insane is
just silly.
I'm sorry you think feeling being taken to war on obvious lies and
other betrayals from the president is silly. That's a pretty insane
stance to take.
And that's what came out of the election, whether you like it or not,
better accept it now. Half this country thinks you are insane.
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09 Nov 2004 10:28:42 PM |
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On 8 Nov 2004 09:13:16 -0600, (Kate ) wrote:
On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 08:38:44 GMT, Godfrey <No@Email.Provided> wrote:
On 7 Nov 2004 14:44:17 -0600, (Kate ) wrote:
On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 19:56:59 GMT, Iceman <1c3m4n@chi-mafia.org> wrote:
On 7 Nov 2004 19:37:39 -0000, How Does That Make You Feel wrote:
Singing the blue-state blues
BY JAMIE TALAN
STAFF WRITER
November 5, 2004, 7:26 PM EST
This week, many therapists in Kerry-friendly New York found their
clients left personal issues at home, instead seeking professional
help for post-election political despair.
Manhattan psychologist Bonnie Maslin said many of her patients cried
about the lost election and the reality of the Republican victory.
They talked about hopelessness. They said they felt isolated,
depressed and angry.
"There is a lot of grieving and mourning -- not unlike the Jewish
shiva," Maslin said. "The level of devastation is enormous. Patients
are saying they feel that the things they cherish and value are under
siege. They feel threatened."
Maslin, a practicing psychologist since 1973, said she "has never seen
tears around politics" in her office. But she understands, and
counsels patients to go through the grieving "so they don't become
paralyzed by it."
Joseph LeDoux, a professor at the Center for Neural Science at New
York University, said any threatening news triggers a flood of stress
hormones that can amplify and prolong negative feelings.
The post-election emotions of many who voted for Sen. John Kerry may
mirror clinical depression, but experts say they aren't necessarily
signs of a psychiatric condition.
"These are genuine feelings," said Myrna Weissman, a depression
researcher at Columbia University College of Physicians and Surgeons.
"But as much as political leaders are important, they are not family
or friends. These are not the events that cause real impairment in
functioning."
But Dr. Kerry Sulkowicz, a psychoanalyst and clinical professor of
psychiatry at New York University's School of Medicine, believes
"people are genuinely worried that Bush is our leader." He said
virtually all of his patients this week said they feel depressed about
the fate of the country. "They feel helpless and dismayed by Bush's
staying power."
Alan Hilfer, director of training in the department of psychiatry at
Maimonides Medical Center in Brooklyn, observed that "They don't quite
understand what the majority of the country is feeling. But people are
resilient ... By next week, people will be talking about their own
issues again."
Hilfer said he is finding that patients who actually worked on the
Kerry campaign are coping better than those who only voted for him.
So what should a losing voter do?
"Some people will become passive, and lose their belief that what they
do matters," said Christopher Peterson, a professor of psychology at
the University of Michigan who studies how people respond to bad
events. He cautions people not to let that happen.
"There is always another election. Democracy worked," he tells his
students. "Even the Red Sox eventually won the World Series."
His research on coping shows that giving up and getting emotional "is
a sure-fire way to guarantee future failure."
He and others recommend local activism as a way to counter depressed
feelings.
Maslin agreed, but advised her patients to respect their period of
mourning.
Dr. David Schlager, clinical assistant professor at Stony Brook
University Hospital, warned that if hopelessness persists, it may
signal an undiagnosed depression that could be coloring a person's
exaggerated and prolonged response to the election. In that case,
people should seek professional help, Schlager said.
Copyright © 2004, Newsday, Inc.
http://www.newsday.com/news/politics/ny-hsblue1106,0,7649301.story?col
l=ny-politics-bigpix
There should be a law against allowing unstable peeps like that to vote or
participate in any political issues.
The irony thing is that this does not say much about the stability of the
democratic party. They are all dwelling in a pity party, wearing their
feelings on their sleeves not realizing what fools they make of themselves
to the populace at large. It should give reasonable democrat's pause to
reconsider the mental health of their party and work towards reshaping it.
Bush betrayed this country. Half the country was shocked and half the
country pretended it didn't happen and supported him.
No, Kate- half the country disagrees with his policies and half the
country does not. Those that do agree with Bush's policies slightly
outnumber those who do not. So he was elected president- again. Not
because that other half is stupid, brainwashed or ultra-religious, but
because they see things differently than you see them. You were not
betrayed by anyone.
Hardly Godfrey. If that's what you got from the election, your head
was buried under the sand.
Only an insane
person would think that being horrified and frightened that half the
country is that insane is an sign of instability.
Sorry - this only makes you sound mentally ill.
And it makes you sound childish. There are many reasons for disliking
the outcome of an election where the candidate you supported lost-
but accusing the 52% that didn't vote for your guy of being insane is
just silly.
I'm sorry you think feeling being taken to war on obvious lies and
other betrayals from the president is silly. That's a pretty insane
stance to take.
And that's what came out of the election, whether you like it or not,
better accept it now. Half this country thinks you are insane.
You're too smart for me. I give up.
-Godfrey
* * * * *
The truth is a precious commodity. That's why I use it so sparingly.
- Mark Twain
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08 Nov 2004 05:46:08 AM |
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On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 08:38:44 GMT, Godfrey <No@Email.Provided> wrote:
Bush betrayed this country. Half the country was shocked and half the
country pretended it didn't happen and supported him.
No, Kate- half the country disagrees with his policies and half the
country does not. Those that do agree with Bush's policies slightly
outnumber those who do not. So he was elected president- again. Not
because that other half is stupid, brainwashed or ultra-religious, but
because they see things differently than you see them. You were not
betrayed by anyone.
Only an insane
person would think that being horrified and frightened that half the
country is that insane is an sign of instability.
Sorry - this only makes you sound mentally ill.
And it makes you sound childish. There are many reasons for disliking
the outcome of an election where the candidate you supported lost-
but accusing the 52% that didn't vote for your guy of being insane is
just silly.
Indeed. The radical left is still in denial and will blame everybody
else and call them names rather than dare look in the mirror. Kerry
would have had much more success if extremists like Moore didn't
hijack the agenda or if the domestic and foreign media didn't trip
over themselves in order to discredit and denigrate the sitting POTUS
and alienate the majority. It's a shame, but hey, maybe it will serve
as a wake up call.
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| User: "Iceman" |
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| Title: Re: Voters Seek Psychotherapy After Election! |
07 Nov 2004 05:56:22 PM |
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On 7 Nov 2004 14:44:17 -0600, Kate wrote:
On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 19:56:59 GMT, Iceman <1c3m4n@chi-mafia.org> wrote:
On 7 Nov 2004 19:37:39 -0000, How Does That Make You Feel wrote:
Singing the blue-state blues
BY JAMIE TALAN
STAFF WRITER
November 5, 2004, 7:26 PM EST
This week, many therapists in Kerry-friendly New York found their
clients left personal issues at home, instead seeking professional
help for post-election political despair.
Manhattan psychologist Bonnie Maslin said many of her patients cried
about the lost election and the reality of the Republican victory.
They talked about hopelessness. They said they felt isolated,
depressed and angry.
"There is a lot of grieving and mourning -- not unlike the Jewish
shiva," Maslin said. "The level of devastation is enormous. Patients
are saying they feel that the things they cherish and value are under
siege. They feel threatened."
Maslin, a practicing psychologist since 1973, said she "has never seen
tears around politics" in her office. But she understands, and
counsels patients to go through the grieving "so they don't become
paralyzed by it."
Joseph LeDoux, a professor at the Center for Neural Science at New
York University, said any threatening news triggers a flood of stress
hormones that can amplify and prolong negative feelings.
The post-election emotions of many who voted for Sen. John Kerry may
mirror clinical depression, but experts say they aren't necessarily
signs of a psychiatric condition.
"These are genuine feelings," said Myrna Weissman, a depression
researcher at Columbia University College of Physicians and Surgeons.
"But as much as political leaders are important, they are not family
or friends. These are not the events that cause real impairment in
functioning."
But Dr. Kerry Sulkowicz, a psychoanalyst and clinical professor of
psychiatry at New York University's School of Medicine, believes
"people are genuinely worried that Bush is our leader." He said
virtually all of his patients this week said they feel depressed about
the fate of the country. "They feel helpless and dismayed by Bush's
staying power."
Alan Hilfer, director of training in the department of psychiatry at
Maimonides Medical Center in Brooklyn, observed that "They don't quite
understand what the majority of the country is feeling. But people are
resilient ... By next week, people will be talking about their own
issues again."
Hilfer said he is finding that patients who actually worked on the
Kerry campaign are coping better than those who only voted for him.
So what should a losing voter do?
"Some people will become passive, and lose their belief that what they
do matters," said Christopher Peterson, a professor of psychology at
the University of Michigan who studies how people respond to bad
events. He cautions people not to let that happen.
"There is always another election. Democracy worked," he tells his
students. "Even the Red Sox eventually won the World Series."
His research on coping shows that giving up and getting emotional "is
a sure-fire way to guarantee future failure."
He and others recommend local activism as a way to counter depressed
feelings.
Maslin agreed, but advised her patients to respect their period of
mourning.
Dr. David Schlager, clinical assistant professor at Stony Brook
University Hospital, warned that if hopelessness persists, it may
signal an undiagnosed depression that could be coloring a person's
exaggerated and prolonged response to the election. In that case,
people should seek professional help, Schlager said.
Copyright © 2004, Newsday, Inc.
http://www.newsday.com/news/politics/ny-hsblue1106,0,7649301.story?col
l=ny-politics-bigpix
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