Religions > Atheism > WA: Democrat primary candidate for governor slams atheists
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"Brian Westley" |
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19 Sep 2004 11:48:04 PM |
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WA: Democrat primary candidate for governor slams atheists |
[Note: this was before the democratic primary, and Ron Sims lost
the democratic nomination on Sept 15 by a large margin, so he
won't be the party nominee]
http://www.godlessamericans.org/pacnews.php
Gubernatorial Candidate Slams Atheists
by Bart Meltzer
Ron Sims, running for governor under the Democratic party (Washington),
made a statement expressing a high degree of bigotry against Atheists.
Sims appeared opposite of Dino Rossi (Republican candidate) in a debate
hosted by KING5 and the Seattle Times. The debate aired on Northwest
Cable News NWCN Wednesday night.
During the debate, the candidates were asked questions by three
journalists. Some of the questions the journalists asked were submitted
via email by viewers. One viewer who submitted a question expressed
their own bigotry against non-believers by first stating they felt
anyone who does not believe in a higher authority is a dangerous person,
and this scares them. Then the person asked Sims if he would appoint
these people [Atheists] to a judgeship.
Sims responded "I think it's important for a person to feel they are not
the only answer and that if they don't have to account for what they say
and what they do, those people are very dangerous. People who think they
are the beginning and end of every question and answer are very
dangerous people. Anyone who does not hold a belief in a higher
authority is a very dangerous person."
This video is archived on the NWCN web site and can be accessed by
clicking here:
http://www.king5.com/news/specials/politics/
One will have to register with the website in order to
access website content. Registration is free. The video is a two part
video. Sims statements expressing his bigotry of Atheists are in part
two about halfway through. One will need Windows Media Player to view
it.
[ The specific URL is this:
http://www.king5.com/cgi-bin/bi/video/wmPlayer.pl?title=www.king5.com/ki_090704debate2.wmv ]
Sims supports marriage for gay and lesbian couples, is against charter
schools, but considers anyone not holding a belief in a higher authority
criminals. This is quite a disparity for someone who appears otherwise
diverse. Sims touts his religious beliefs like it's a shield against
immorality. That's typical of the religious right.
This is the type of bigotry one is used to finding in the southeast. It
is quite unsettling to see it manifesting itself in a supposedly diverse
political party in a supposedly liberal and diverse state. If this
represents the opposite end of the spectrum from the religious right,
then the entire spectrum has moved drastically to the right.
A vote for Sims seems to me like a vote for bigotry against Atheists. It
actually seemed that Dino Rossi was more tolerant of Atheists even
though he's against marriage for gay and lesbian couples and for charter
schools, typically a trait the religious right has. Dino Rossi was not
asked the same question though so his position could not be determined.
Of course, please follow up on this with any additional info available.
More info about Ron Sims can be found on his
website, ronsimsforgovernor.com
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Merlyn LeRoy
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: Democrat primary candidate for governor slams atheists |
20 Sep 2004 06:50:32 AM |
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"Brian Westley" <westley@visi.com> wrote in message
news:414e6104$0$62441$a1866201@newsreader.visi.com...
[Note: this was before the democratic primary, and Ron Sims lost
the democratic nomination on Sept 15 by a large margin, so he
won't be the party nominee]
http://www.godlessamericans.org/pacnews.php
Gubernatorial Candidate Slams Atheists
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Sims responded "I think it's important for a person to feel they are not
the only answer and that if they don't have to account for what they say
and what they do, those people are very dangerous. People who think they
are the beginning and end of every question and answer are very
dangerous people. Anyone who does not hold a belief in a higher
authority is a very dangerous person."
So according this guy, he should be terrified of my daughter. What a
maroon.
snip
--
__________
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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| User: "kathryn" |
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| Title: Re: Democrat primary candidate for governor slams atheists |
20 Sep 2004 09:20:26 AM |
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"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
news:2r7ug7F16epp6U1@uni-berlin.de...
"Brian Westley" <westley@visi.com> wrote in message
news:414e6104$0$62441$a1866201@newsreader.visi.com...
[Note: this was before the democratic primary, and Ron Sims lost
the democratic nomination on Sept 15 by a large margin, so he
won't be the party nominee]
http://www.godlessamericans.org/pacnews.php
Gubernatorial Candidate Slams Atheists
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Sims responded "I think it's important for a person to feel they are not
the only answer and that if they don't have to account for what they say
and what they do, those people are very dangerous. People who think they
are the beginning and end of every question and answer are very
dangerous people. Anyone who does not hold a belief in a higher
authority is a very dangerous person."
So according this guy, he should be terrified of my daughter. What a
maroon.
snip
--
__________
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
On the other hand he could be referring to a higher power in the sense of
ugh...the supreme court or something (not entirely sure how it works in the
US). It's slightly ambigous to me.
Kathryn
Kathryn
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| User: "Brian Westley" |
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| Title: Re: Democrat primary candidate for governor slams atheists |
20 Sep 2004 11:24:14 AM |
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"kathryn" <bob@bob.com> writes:
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
news:2r7ug7F16epp6U1@uni-berlin.de...
"Brian Westley" <westley@visi.com> wrote in message
news:414e6104$0$62441$a1866201@newsreader.visi.com...
[Note: this was before the democratic primary, and Ron Sims lost
the democratic nomination on Sept 15 by a large margin, so he
won't be the party nominee]
http://www.godlessamericans.org/pacnews.php
Gubernatorial Candidate Slams Atheists
snip
Sims responded "I think it's important for a person to feel they are not
the only answer and that if they don't have to account for what they say
and what they do, those people are very dangerous. People who think they
are the beginning and end of every question and answer are very
dangerous people. Anyone who does not hold a belief in a higher
authority is a very dangerous person."
So according this guy, he should be terrified of my daughter. What a
maroon.
snip
--
__________
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
On the other hand he could be referring to a higher power in the sense of
ugh...the supreme court or something (not entirely sure how it works in the
US). It's slightly ambigous to me.
Yeah, listening to the (rather muddy) audio of the actual Q&A
made it sound like he wanted to have it both ways, by wanting
a "higher authority" but at the same time saying that could be
e.g. "the community" or something else not religious.
Oddly enough, in 2001, this same Ron Sims got in hot water for issue
a memo to state employees working under him not to use 'religion-specific'
holiday greetings:
http://www.claremont.org/writings/011225munoz.html
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Merlyn LeRoy
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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20 Sep 2004 07:22:26 AM |
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On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 07:50:32 -0400, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Brian Westley" <westley@visi.com> wrote in message
news:414e6104$0$62441$a1866201@newsreader.visi.com...
[Note: this was before the democratic primary, and Ron Sims lost
the democratic nomination on Sept 15 by a large margin, so he
won't be the party nominee]
http://www.godlessamericans.org/pacnews.php
Gubernatorial Candidate Slams Atheists
snip
Sims responded "I think it's important for a person to feel they are not
the only answer and that if they don't have to account for what they say
and what they do, those people are very dangerous. People who think they
are the beginning and end of every question and answer are very
dangerous people. Anyone who does not hold a belief in a higher
authority is a very dangerous person."
So according this guy, he should be terrified of my daughter. What a
maroon.
snip
Bigoted remarks like his make him unfit for the office he is standing
for.
There would have been an outcry if he'd said something similar about
Black people, Jews, Catholics, Gays etc.
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| User: "B. Kildow" |
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20 Sep 2004 08:29:51 AM |
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Christopher A. Lee wrote:
On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 07:50:32 -0400, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Brian Westley" <westley@visi.com> wrote in message
news:414e6104$0$62441$a1866201@newsreader.visi.com...
[Note: this was before the democratic primary, and Ron Sims lost
the democratic nomination on Sept 15 by a large margin, so he
won't be the party nominee]
http://www.godlessamericans.org/pacnews.php
Gubernatorial Candidate Slams Atheists
snip
Sims responded "I think it's important for a person to feel they are not
the only answer and that if they don't have to account for what they say
and what they do, those people are very dangerous. People who think they
are the beginning and end of every question and answer are very
dangerous people. Anyone who does not hold a belief in a higher
authority is a very dangerous person."
So according this guy, he should be terrified of my daughter. What a
maroon.
snip
Bigoted remarks like his make him unfit for the office he is standing
for.
There would have been an outcry if he'd said something similar about
Black people, Jews, Catholics, Gays etc.
The sad(der) part is that he *is* black. I would assume he'd understand
the dangers of making sweeping assertions about groups of people.
B (sometimes I assume intelligence or understanding when it ain't there)K
AA#1992
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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20 Sep 2004 08:46:40 AM |
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On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 06:29:51 -0700, "B. Kildow"
<tracker99@spamenot.foxinternet.net> wrote:
Christopher A. Lee wrote:
On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 07:50:32 -0400, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Brian Westley" <westley@visi.com> wrote in message
news:414e6104$0$62441$a1866201@newsreader.visi.com...
[Note: this was before the democratic primary, and Ron Sims lost
the democratic nomination on Sept 15 by a large margin, so he
won't be the party nominee]
http://www.godlessamericans.org/pacnews.php
Gubernatorial Candidate Slams Atheists
snip
Sims responded "I think it's important for a person to feel they are not
the only answer and that if they don't have to account for what they say
and what they do, those people are very dangerous. People who think they
are the beginning and end of every question and answer are very
dangerous people. Anyone who does not hold a belief in a higher
authority is a very dangerous person."
So according this guy, he should be terrified of my daughter. What a
maroon.
snip
Bigoted remarks like his make him unfit for the office he is standing
for.
There would have been an outcry if he'd said something similar about
Black people, Jews, Catholics, Gays etc.
The sad(der) part is that he *is* black. I would assume he'd understand
the dangers of making sweeping assertions about groups of people.
It's no guarantee, especially if he is strongly religious. In San
Francisco a while back the chairman of equal opportunities and
anti-discrimination said that Gays should be stoned to death because
that's what the OT said. He was a member of another minority - black,
and sued because he said it was religious discrimination. He lost.
But it showed that being a member of one minority doesn't necessarily
make you any more tolerant of other minorities.
His fundy-ness overcame his minority-ness.
B (sometimes I assume intelligence or understanding when it ain't there)K
AA#1992
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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| Title: Re: Democrat primary candidate for governor slams atheists |
20 Sep 2004 12:49:15 PM |
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"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:2jntk0p1i8hifvq2ljlnnqnii6gsgfephu@4ax.com...
On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 06:29:51 -0700, "B. Kildow"
<tracker99@spamenot.foxinternet.net> wrote:
Christopher A. Lee wrote:
On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 07:50:32 -0400, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Brian Westley" <westley@visi.com> wrote in message
news:414e6104$0$62441$a1866201@newsreader.visi.com...
[Note: this was before the democratic primary, and Ron Sims lost
the democratic nomination on Sept 15 by a large margin, so he
won't be the party nominee]
http://www.godlessamericans.org/pacnews.php
Gubernatorial Candidate Slams Atheists
snip
Sims responded "I think it's important for a person to feel they are
not
the only answer and that if they don't have to account for what they
say
and what they do, those people are very dangerous. People who think
they
are the beginning and end of every question and answer are very
dangerous people. Anyone who does not hold a belief in a higher
authority is a very dangerous person."
So according this guy, he should be terrified of my daughter. What a
maroon.
snip
Bigoted remarks like his make him unfit for the office he is standing
for.
There would have been an outcry if he'd said something similar about
Black people, Jews, Catholics, Gays etc.
The sad(der) part is that he *is* black. I would assume he'd understand
the dangers of making sweeping assertions about groups of people.
It's no guarantee, especially if he is strongly religious. In San
Francisco a while back the chairman of equal opportunities and
anti-discrimination said that Gays should be stoned to death because
that's what the OT said. He was a member of another minority - black,
and sued because he said it was religious discrimination. He lost.
But it showed that being a member of one minority doesn't necessarily
make you any more tolerant of other minorities.
His fundy-ness overcame his minority-ness.
Just one of the wonderful effects religion has on people.
Sigh.
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
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| User: "" |
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22 Sep 2004 12:04:55 AM |
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On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 07:50:32 -0400, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Brian Westley" <westley@visi.com> wrote in message
news:414e6104$0$62441$a1866201@newsreader.visi.com...
[Note: this was before the democratic primary, and Ron Sims lost
the democratic nomination on Sept 15 by a large margin, so he
won't be the party nominee]
http://www.godlessamericans.org/pacnews.php
Gubernatorial Candidate Slams Atheists
snip
Sims responded "I think it's important for a person to feel they are not
the only answer and that if they don't have to account for what they say
and what they do, those people are very dangerous. People who think they
are the beginning and end of every question and answer are very
dangerous people. Anyone who does not hold a belief in a higher
authority is a very dangerous person."
So according this guy, he should be terrified of my daughter. What a
maroon.
snip
The description fits almost every christian. They think they are the
beginning and end of every question-the striving for 'eternal life'
demonstrates that.
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| User: "Lord Calvert" |
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21 Sep 2004 07:15:50 PM |
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Sims responded "I think it's important for a person to feel they are not
the only answer and that if they don't have to account for what they say
and what they do, those people are very dangerous. People who think they
are the beginning and end of every question and answer are very
dangerous people. Anyone who does not hold a belief in a higher
authority is a very dangerous person."
So according this guy, he should be terrified of my daughter. What a
maroon.
snip
The description fits almost every christian. They think they are the
beginning and end of every question-the striving for 'eternal life'
demonstrates that.
This is the sort of mentality that would embrace Osama bin Laden because of his
religious beliefs but throw out Pat Tillman because he didn't believe in a
magical sky-pixie.
Rich Goranson, Amherst, NY, USA (aa#MCMXCIX, a-vet#1)
EAC Department of Applied Rattan Use
"Without faith we might relapse into scientific or rational thinking, which
leads by a slippery slope toward constitutional democracy." - Robert Anton
Wilson
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| User: "" |
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22 Sep 2004 05:34:25 PM |
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On 22 Sep 2004 00:15:50 GMT, forlornh@aol.complicated (Lord Calvert)
wrote:
Sims responded "I think it's important for a person to feel they are not
the only answer and that if they don't have to account for what they say
and what they do, those people are very dangerous. People who think they
are the beginning and end of every question and answer are very
dangerous people. Anyone who does not hold a belief in a higher
authority is a very dangerous person."
So according this guy, he should be terrified of my daughter. What a
maroon.
snip
The description fits almost every christian. They think they are the
beginning and end of every question-the striving for 'eternal life'
demonstrates that.
This is the sort of mentality that would embrace Osama bin Laden because of his
religious beliefs but throw out Pat Tillman because he didn't believe in a
magical sky-pixie.
Yep, they're butt buddies of Osama.
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| User: "B. Kildow" |
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20 Sep 2004 08:27:26 AM |
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Robibnikoff wrote:
"Brian Westley" <westley@visi.com> wrote in message
news:414e6104$0$62441$a1866201@newsreader.visi.com...
[Note: this was before the democratic primary, and Ron Sims lost
the democratic nomination on Sept 15 by a large margin, so he
won't be the party nominee]
http://www.godlessamericans.org/pacnews.php
Gubernatorial Candidate Slams Atheists
snip
Sims responded "I think it's important for a person to feel they are not
the only answer and that if they don't have to account for what they say
and what they do, those people are very dangerous. People who think they
are the beginning and end of every question and answer are very
dangerous people. Anyone who does not hold a belief in a higher
authority is a very dangerous person."
So according this guy, he should be terrified of my daughter. What a
maroon.
snip
Yeah, he's a boob. But, he didn't make it through the primary; not
because of his anti-atheism, but his screaming "WE NEED A STATE INCOME
TAX!!!" at every opportunity.
BK
AA#1992
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| User: "Gregory Gadow" |
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20 Sep 2004 11:52:28 AM |
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Brian Westley wrote:
[Note: this was before the democratic primary, and Ron Sims lost
the democratic nomination on Sept 15 by a large margin, so he
won't be the party nominee]
http://www.godlessamericans.org/pacnews.php
Gubernatorial Candidate Slams Atheists
by Bart Meltzer
Ron Sims, running for governor under the Democratic party (Washington),
made a statement expressing a high degree of bigotry against Atheists.
Sims appeared opposite of Dino Rossi (Republican candidate) in a debate
hosted by KING5 and the Seattle Times. The debate aired on Northwest
Cable News NWCN Wednesday night.
During the debate, the candidates were asked questions by three
journalists. Some of the questions the journalists asked were submitted
via email by viewers. One viewer who submitted a question expressed
their own bigotry against non-believers by first stating they felt
anyone who does not believe in a higher authority is a dangerous person,
and this scares them. Then the person asked Sims if he would appoint
these people [Atheists] to a judgeship.
Sims responded "I think it's important for a person to feel they are not
the only answer and that if they don't have to account for what they say
and what they do, those people are very dangerous. People who think they
are the beginning and end of every question and answer are very
dangerous people. Anyone who does not hold a belief in a higher
authority is a very dangerous person."
This video is archived on the NWCN web site and can be accessed by
clicking here:
http://www.king5.com/news/specials/politics/
/shrug Sims is actually an ordained minister. Methodist, if I recall.
Other than this one viewpoint, however, he was my choice for Dem candidate by far. I'm
disappointed that Christine Gregoire won the primary.
--
Gregory Gadow
techbear@serv.net
http://www.serv.net/~techbear
"The accumulation of all power, legislative,
executive, and judicial in the same hands...
may justly be pronounced the very definition
of tyranny."
- James Madison, _The Federalist_, #47
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| User: "Meteorite Debris" |
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21 Sep 2004 06:07:21 AM |
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On 20 Sep 2004 04:48:04 GMT the ET form known as Brian
Westley<westley@visi.com> sent a radio signal across the vast expanse
of deep space -._.--._.--._.--._.--._.--._.
[Note: this was before the democratic primary, and Ron Sims lost
the democratic nomination on Sept 15 by a large margin, so he
won't be the party nominee]
http://www.godlessamericans.org/pacnews.php
Gubernatorial Candidate Slams Atheists
by Bart Meltzer
Ron Sims, running for governor under the Democratic party (Washington),
made a statement expressing a high degree of bigotry against Atheists.
In elections in Australia Don Randall in the Western Australia seat of
Canning condemned Mark Latham because he is not a Christian and should
not be elected because Australia is a "Crissjon country". Never
fucking mind section 116 of the Australian constitution. It seems the
American theocratic disease is infecting the world.
--
epicurus1*at*optusnet*dot*com*dot*au
apatriot #1, atheist #1417,
Chief EAC prophet
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~pk1956/
Apatriotism Yahoo Group
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/apatriotism
"Properly read, the Bible is the most potent force for atheism ever
conceived." - Isaac Asimov
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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| Title: Re: WA: Democrat primary candidate for governor slams atheists |
21 Sep 2004 04:22:35 PM |
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"Meteorite Debris" <abuse@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1bba934f72b3fb35989ed0@news.optusnet.com.au...
On 20 Sep 2004 04:48:04 GMT the ET form known as Brian
Westley<westley@visi.com> sent a radio signal across the vast expanse
of deep space -._.--._.--._.--._.--._.--._.
[Note: this was before the democratic primary, and Ron Sims lost
the democratic nomination on Sept 15 by a large margin, so he
won't be the party nominee]
http://www.godlessamericans.org/pacnews.php
Gubernatorial Candidate Slams Atheists
by Bart Meltzer
Ron Sims, running for governor under the Democratic party (Washington),
made a statement expressing a high degree of bigotry against Atheists.
In elections in Australia Don Randall in the Western Australia seat of
Canning condemned Mark Latham because he is not a Christian and should
not be elected because Australia is a "Crissjon country". Never
fucking mind section 116 of the Australian constitution. It seems the
American theocratic disease is infecting the world.
Sorry.
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
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