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"walksalone" |
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26 Aug 2004 06:44:33 AM |
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Walksalone's Big God List |
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Okay, Walksalone is going to make a point, but first, I have to
disprove 3 gods from his big list.
Big list, where. That is a very small one.
I am? I didn't know that.
BTW, where is your definition of a god? Without that, you can not falsify
anything.
One of the aspects I use is supernatural activity in their realm of
abilities.
I selected Buddha, Muhammed, and Michael. All from the list.
Buddha, thought I had advised you against that?
1. God #1: Buddha
Oh dear, you did it anyway.
Buddha is the capstone, actual person unknown, if there was a person.
Assumed to be historical.
The philosophy is pan-asiatic in origin. It appears to have been formalized
by the person you mention blow.
Siddhartha Gotama was born into a royal family in Lumbini, now
located in Nepal, in 563 BC. At 29, he realised that wealth and
luxury did not guarantee happiness, so he explored the different
teachings, religions and philosophies of the day, looking for the key
to human happiness. After six years of study and meditation he
finally found 'the middle path' and was 'enlightened'. After
enlightenment, Gotama, now the 'Buddha', spent the rest of his life
teaching the principles of Buddhism until his death at the age of 80.
There is literally mountains of volumes of detail on the Buddha and
his teaching, but the most important fact is that he never claimed to
be a god, nor do any of his followers to this day. 'Enlightenment' is
not a claim to divinity, it is simply being 'aware of all things'.
Buddhists pay homage to, and venerate the Buddha and his images, but
unlike members of other faiths they know that he does not hear them,
for he has achieved 'Nibana' the ultimate goal.
Nibanna, first time I have seen that. Sure you did not mean Nirvana? Or is
that an alternate spelling?
Now, you realise that you have given the text book answer right?
The above does not allow for apotheosis, nor does it allow for various
other methods of direct incorporation as a god.
He is considered an avatar of Vishnu [p. 47, Encyclopedia of Gods, M.
Jordan, IBN 0816029091]
From the same source:
Art references, Metal & stone sculptures, paintings, etc. Period of
worship, ca -500 gr., & found in the Sadhanamala as well as Tantric sacred
texts.
There are more than two sources claiming divivinity, seems like we have a
god here, not really.
Now we continue to examine the divinity of Buddha.
It does not address the various buddhas claimed by humanity, which are
considered aspects of the original Buddha, as well as deity's.
The dhyani buddhas, they are self created. Sounds god like to me.
The vasitas which personify spiritual regeneration.
There are more, but to keep it short I will skip them for now.
The buddha can be identified by 32 major & 80 minor physical
characteristics.
One of these is found on the soles of his feet, I'll leave this one to you
Hugh.
Though thought of as the most important buddha, there have been no less
that three [some sects say thousands] that preceded him, & one is yet to
follow. The Maiterya Strangely enough, in that aspect he could be
considered a messiah.
No less than 54 buddhas are mentioned in the Lalitavistar.
The no less than five dhyani buddhas form a special group, yet are buddhas.
Unlike the xian myth, once one attains buddha, they are no longer
reachable, not even by prayer.
As noticed from the above, the buddha is not only a deity/god in its own
right, but can also be understood as a series of avatar's, or even a class
of gods.
Some buddhas:
Mi lo Fo
For the girls
Buddhalocana
following is a list from the net that I've not had time to check, so I do
not claim it to be accurate. Unfortunately its in a name dump under a
search result of dhyani, so maybe you can find it.
Shakyamuni Buddha Buddha of Enlightenment Buddha Vajradhara Bddha
Vajradharma
Akshobhya Amitabha Medicine Buddha Eight Medicine Buddhas
Female Bodhisattvas 21 Taras Green Tara Green Tara
White Tara Namgyalma Prajnaparamita Simhamukha
Male Bodhisattvas Chenrezig 1000 Arm Chenrezig Amitayus
Manjushri White Manjushri Vajrapani Vajrasattva
Yidams Chakrasamvara (2) Chakrasamvara (12) Guhyasamaja
Samayavajra Vajrayogini (new) Vajrayogini (old) Yamantaka
Protectors Mahakala (6) Mahakala (4) Kalarupa
Kinkara Vaishravana Vajradaka
Okay, you can critique that, then I'll do the other two.
What was to critique? Or maybe better, you can see why I advised against
try buddha?
Worse than trying to find one Jesus of Nazareth by golly.
walksalone who is stil waiting on that falsification, along with a
definiton to work with.
--
It is hard to say whether the doctors of law or divinity have
made the
greater advances in the lucrative business of mystery.
[Edmund Burke, A
Vindication of Natural Society, 1757]
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26 Aug 2004 09:39:47 PM |
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On 26-Aug-2004, walksalone <walksalone@dirty.deeds.done.dirt.cheap.llc>
wrote:
Okay, Walksalone is going to make a point, but first, I have to
disprove 3 gods from his big list.
Big list, where. That is a very small one.
I am? I didn't know that.
BTW, where is your definition of a god? Without that, you can not falsify
anything.
Actually, I thought that was going to be part of your point.
One of the aspects I use is supernatural activity in their realm of
abilities.
A lot of supernatural abilities are ascribed to the Buddha, but, it doesn't
affect his lack of 'godhood' His state of enlightenment allowed him to
perform incredible acts.
1. God #1: Buddha
Oh dear, you did it anyway.
Buddha is the capstone, actual person unknown, if there was a person.
Assumed to be historical.
The philosophy is pan-asiatic in origin. It appears to have been
formalized
by the person you mention blow.
Siddhartha Gotama was born into a royal family in Lumbini, now
located in Nepal, in 563 BC. At 29, he realised that wealth and
luxury did not guarantee happiness, so he explored the different
teachings, religions and philosophies of the day, looking for the key
to human happiness. After six years of study and meditation he
finally found 'the middle path' and was 'enlightened'. After
enlightenment, Gotama, now the 'Buddha', spent the rest of his life
teaching the principles of Buddhism until his death at the age of 80.
There is literally mountains of volumes of detail on the Buddha and
his teaching, but the most important fact is that he never claimed to
be a god, nor do any of his followers to this day. 'Enlightenment' is
not a claim to divinity, it is simply being 'aware of all things'.
Buddhists pay homage to, and venerate the Buddha and his images, but
unlike members of other faiths they know that he does not hear them,
for he has achieved 'Nibana' the ultimate goal.
Nibanna, first time I have seen that. Sure you did not mean Nirvana? Or is
that an alternate spelling?
Yes, an alternate spelling.
Now, you realise that you have given the text book answer right?
The above does not allow for apotheosis, nor does it allow for various
other methods of direct incorporation as a god.
He is considered an avatar of Vishnu [p. 47, Encyclopedia of Gods, M.
Jordan, IBN 0816029091]
From the same source:
Art references, Metal & stone sculptures, paintings, etc. Period of
worship, ca -500 gr., & found in the Sadhanamala as well as Tantric sacred
texts.
Good for the Hindus. The Theravada Buddhists and the Pali Canon (all 800 or
so volumes) do not make such a claim. It quotes the Buddha himself as
denying any kind of divinity.
There are more than two sources claiming divivinity, seems like we have a
god here, not really.
The Hindus working him into their theology, vs. the Buddhists, who are
direct followers.
Now we continue to examine the divinity of Buddha.
It does not address the various buddhas claimed by humanity, which are
considered aspects of the original Buddha, as well as deity's.
True, but they are mortals who have achieved enlightenment, which as we have
discussed, is not a claim to godhood. Neither are they 'reincarnations' of
the Buddha, since he has acheived Nirvana, and no longer 'reincarnates'.
Some who have acheived enlightment may decide to 'stick around' for the
benefit of the masses, and are reborn. They are 'Bodhisattvas'. The Buddha
himself, Gautama, did not do this.
The dhyani buddhas, they are self created. Sounds god like to me.
The vasitas which personify spiritual regeneration.
There are more, but to keep it short I will skip them for now.
Missed that one.
The buddha can be identified by 32 major & 80 minor physical
characteristics.
One of these is found on the soles of his feet, I'll leave this one to you
Hugh.
Oh. Missed that one, too. Rather difficult to determine, the Buddha was
cremated 2500 years ago, his ashes lie in at least 3 urns.
Though thought of as the most important buddha, there have been no less
that three [some sects say thousands] that preceded him, & one is yet to
follow. The Maiterya Strangely enough, in that aspect he could be
considered a messiah.
No less than 54 buddhas are mentioned in the Lalitavistar.
The no less than five dhyani buddhas form a special group, yet are
buddhas.
Leave Hinduism and it's variations aside for a bit. Gautama was a Hindu, and
he sought not to create a new faith, just to show the way to enlightenment.
Unlike the xian myth, once one attains buddha, they are no longer
reachable, not even by prayer.
Exactly. Nirvana is 'nothingness' but is not 'nothing', a difficult concept
to grasp.
As noticed from the above, the buddha is not only a deity/god in its own
right, but can also be understood as a series of avatar's, or even a class
of gods.
Some buddhas:
Mi lo Fo
For the girls
Buddhalocana
following is a list from the net that I've not had time to check, so I do
not claim it to be accurate. Unfortunately its in a name dump under a
search result of dhyani, so maybe you can find it.
Shakyamuni Buddha Buddha of Enlightenment Buddha Vajradhara
Bddha
Vajradharma
Akshobhya Amitabha Medicine Buddha Eight Medicine Buddhas
Female Bodhisattvas 21 Taras Green Tara Green Tara
White Tara Namgyalma Prajnaparamita Simhamukha
Male Bodhisattvas Chenrezig 1000 Arm Chenrezig Amitayus
Manjushri White Manjushri Vajrapani Vajrasattva
Yidams Chakrasamvara (2) Chakrasamvara (12) Guhyasamaja
Samayavajra Vajrayogini (new) Vajrayogini (old) Yamantaka
Protectors Mahakala (6) Mahakala (4) Kalarupa
Kinkara Vaishravana Vajradaka
I can't be held responsible for the hijacking of the Buddha's good name by
the Hindus et al, or the 'deification' of him by various cultures, nor the
unauthorized use of the term 'Buddha'. The Bodhisattvas cannot be considered
'deities', either.
What was to critique? Or maybe better, you can see why I advised against
try buddha?
Worse than trying to find one Jesus of Nazareth by golly.
walksalone who is stil waiting on that falsification, along with a
definiton to work with.
So... our conclusion is... what? Because someone thinks the Buddha's a god
(or avatar, or whatever), it can't be falsified? The Buddha denied that he
was a god, I think that's pretty conclusive. If Jesus had denied being God
then things would be a little different now, wouldn't they? Anyhow, we
should get this straightened out before I move on to Michael and Muhamed.
H.
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"Force and not opinion is the queen of the world; but it is opinion that
uses the force."
-Blaise Pascal
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| User: "Steve Knight" |
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| Title: Re: Walksalone's Big God List |
26 Aug 2004 11:13:32 PM |
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On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 02:39:47 GMT, wrote:
A lot of supernatural abilities are ascribed to the Buddha, but, it doesn't
affect his lack of 'godhood' His state of enlightenment allowed him to
perform incredible acts.
I find it amusing how the 'believer' discounts the philosophy of a
philosophy when that philosophy has empirical evidentiary history.
It's called small mindedness.
But to me, it's a stupid *****.
Maybe you should know what you're talking about before you open
your big cannibal mouth.
Buddhism has your superstition beat to death. There is nothing
about killing, murdering, torturing and pathetically for you, is rated
'G'. They don't go around waving cadavers on a stick and chanting,
'Look, look, he suicided for you!!!!!!! Eat some flesh and drink
blood!!!'
If I wasn't so fucking lazy, I'd be a Buddhist in a second.
Warlord Steve
BAAWA
www.sonic.net/~wooly
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Walksalone's Big God List |
28 Aug 2004 06:49:52 PM |
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On 26-Aug-2004, Steve Knight <whooly@sonic.net> wrote:
A lot of supernatural abilities are ascribed to the Buddha, but, it
doesn't
affect his lack of 'godhood' His state of enlightenment allowed him to
perform incredible acts.
I find it amusing how the 'believer' discounts the philosophy of a
philosophy when that philosophy has empirical evidentiary history
I'm not discounting Buddhist philosophy, I respect and appreciate it. The
Buddha himself stated specifically that he was not a god.
As for empirical evidentary history, you must be out of your mind. *Nothing*
was written about the Buddha for at least three hundred years after his
death. No evidence (other that a lot of artifacts of questionable
authenticity) of him exists.
It's called small mindedness.
speak for yourself.
But to me, it's a stupid *****.
again, speak for yourself.
Buddhism has your superstition beat to death. There is nothing
about killing, murdering, torturing and pathetically for you, is rated
'G'. They don't go around waving cadavers on a stick and chanting,
'Look, look, he suicided for you!!!!!!! Eat some flesh and drink
blood!!!'
Buddhism promotes similar moral values to Christianity; true followers of
the Buddha are some of the nicest people you will ever have the good fortune
to meet. However, the histories of Buddhist nations is just as, if not more,
bloodsoaked than Christian ones. Actually, in my humble opinion, the
philosophical truths of Christianity have more hope and happiness to offer
than Buddhism, again, just my (learned) opinion. Maybe you should learn
something before you go expressing *your* opinion again.
If I wasn't so fucking lazy, I'd be a Buddhist in a second.
Trust me, it's does not suit you.
Warlord Steve
BAAWA
www.sonic.net/~wooly
HB
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| User: "walksalone" |
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27 Aug 2004 06:23:04 AM |
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On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 04:13:32 GMT, Steve Knight wrote:
On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 02:39:47 GMT, wrote:
A favor if you can Steve?
This is not a personal conversation [how could it be?], but I would like,
as much as possible to keep it between me & Hugh. At least his pair is
fuzzy enough that he is trying to falsify other gods, something other xians
flee from.
A lot of supernatural abilities are ascribed to the Buddha, but, it doesn't
affect his lack of 'godhood' His state of enlightenment allowed him to
perform incredible acts.
I find it amusing how the 'believer' discounts the philosophy of a
philosophy when that philosophy has empirical evidentiary history.
Rather human that. But then, Hugh likely is human.
It's called small mindedness.
In the case ot the total melt downs you ate likely right, It is also called
self defense. Now, IIRC, you & I never bought into it, but for many it is a
security blanket that will never make it to the washing machine, they
can't. They can't accept the possibility that they were lied to as small
children, & being lied to as adults.
At least Hugh is willing to try to get off his blanket for a few minutes.
Credit where credit is due & all that.
But to me, it's a stupid *****.
Can't argue what appears obvious to me, but that does not, as you know,
mean believers are all around stupid.
Maybe you should know what you're talking about before you open
your big cannibal mouth.
He is learning Steve, but then, give him some credit. Unlike georgann, he
is trying to at least discuss other gods. He can't falsify them without
learning about them.
Buddhism has your superstition beat to death. There is nothing
about killing, murdering, torturing and pathetically for you, is rated
'G'. They don't go around waving cadavers on a stick and chanting,
'Look, look, he suicided for you!!!!!!! Eat some flesh and drink
blood!!!'
But sects will fight each other over doctrine when their senior monks stir
the bucket for political reasons, been done & recently as well.
If I wasn't so fucking lazy, I'd be a Buddhist in a second.
Even though some sects believe in gods<EAG>, it is not denied by any buddha
any buddha you know, or at least you are aware of that now.
walksalone who used to think buddha was not a god according to humans, he
was wrong.
Warlord Steve
BAAWA
www.sonic.net/~wooly
--
It is hard to say whether the doctors of law or divinity have
made the greater advances in the lucrative business of mystery.
Edmund Burke, A Vindication of Natural Society, 1757
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| User: "walksalone" |
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26 Aug 2004 10:46:14 PM |
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On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 02:39:47 GMT, wrote:
On 26-Aug-2004, walksalone <walksalone@dirty.deeds.done.dirt.cheap.llc>
wrote:
Okay, Walksalone is going to make a point, but first, I have to
disprove 3 gods from his big list.
Big list, where. That is a very small one.
I am? I didn't know that.
BTW, where is your definition of a god? Without that, you can not falsify
anything.
Actually, I thought that was going to be part of your point.
Now why should it be. After all I can't read your mind. What may be a deity
to you, obviously is not a deity to me. need you definitions old boy,
really, when entering a discussion of this nature, we all do.
One of the aspects I use is supernatural activity in their realm of
abilities.
A lot of supernatural abilities are ascribed to the Buddha, but, it doesn't
affect his lack of 'godhood' His state of enlightenment allowed him to
perform incredible acts.
Not really, those acts are credited to him [a portion at least] prior to
his siting under the tree.
I suspect this has something to do with being an avatar of vishnu. One of
the Hindu trinity.
1. God #1: Buddha
Oh dear, you did it anyway.
Buddha is the capstone, actual person unknown, if there was a person.
Assumed to be historical.
The philosophy is pan-asiatic in origin. It appears to have been
formalized
by the person you mention blow.
Siddhartha Gotama was born into a royal family in Lumbini, now
located in Nepal, in 563 BC. At 29, he realised that wealth and
luxury did not guarantee happiness, so he explored the different
teachings, religions and philosophies of the day, looking for the key
to human happiness. After six years of study and meditation he
finally found 'the middle path' and was 'enlightened'. After
enlightenment, Gotama, now the 'Buddha', spent the rest of his life
teaching the principles of Buddhism until his death at the age of 80.
There is literally mountains of volumes of detail on the Buddha and
his teaching, but the most important fact is that he never claimed to
be a god, nor do any of his followers to this day. 'Enlightenment' is
not a claim to divinity, it is simply being 'aware of all things'.
Buddhists pay homage to, and venerate the Buddha and his images, but
unlike members of other faiths they know that he does not hear them,
for he has achieved 'Nibana' the ultimate goal.
Nibanna, first time I have seen that. Sure you did not mean Nirvana? Or is
that an alternate spelling?
Yes, an alternate spelling.
Thank you.
Now, you realise that you have given the text book answer right?
The above does not allow for apotheosis, nor does it allow for various
other methods of direct incorporation as a god.
He is considered an avatar of Vishnu [p. 47, Encyclopedia of Gods, M.
Jordan, IBN 0816029091]
From the same source:
Art references, Metal & stone sculptures, paintings, etc. Period of
worship, ca -500 gr., & found in the Sadhanamala as well as Tantric sacred
texts.
Good for the Hindus. The Theravada Buddhists and the Pali Canon (all 800 or
so volumes) do not make such a claim. It quotes the Buddha himself as
denying any kind of divinity.
Yet, in the Hindu pantheon, he is an avatar of vishnu, one of the Hindu
trinity. So I guess that pretty much confirms he is a god. Mind you, not
all gods claimed to be gods, nor is it meant for humans to know which gods
walk among them, depending on the myth you follow or are reading.
There are more than two sources claiming divivinity, seems like we have a
god here, not really.
The Hindus working him into their theology, vs. the Buddhists, who are
direct followers.
Does not mater, god wise. Either he is not claimed as a god [& yes, I will
concur that one person claiming a god is does not justify the claim, even
though that is how your myth got started] or he is not. The Hindu myth has
a lot of followers, so I reckon according to them he is a god. Not really
my problem.
Now we continue to examine the divinity of Buddha.
It does not address the various buddhas claimed by humanity, which are
considered aspects of the original Buddha, as well as deity's.
True, but they are mortals who have achieved enlightenment, which as we have
discussed, is not a claim to godhood. Neither are they 'reincarnations' of
Not all of them, the list of *known buddhas* is rather long, & typing out
their names could cause your eyes to go orbital.
the Buddha, since he has acheived Nirvana, and no longer 'reincarnates'.
Some who have acheived enlightment may decide to 'stick around' for the
benefit of the masses, and are reborn. They are 'Bodhisattvas'. The Buddha
himself, Gautama, did not do this.
But he is not the buddha. Confused yet? he is the best known buddha, but he
is neither the first nor will he be the last. That is the part you are
going to have to get past. I managed, & you can as well.
The dhyani buddhas, they are self created. Sounds god like to me.
The vasitas which personify spiritual regeneration.
There are more, but to keep it short I will skip them for now.
Missed that one.
No reason you should know of them, but if you study buddha, you will
encounter them.
The buddha can be identified by 32 major & 80 minor physical
characteristics.
One of these is found on the soles of his feet, I'll leave this one to you
Hugh.
Oh. Missed that one, too. Rather difficult to determine, the Buddha was
cremated 2500 years ago, his ashes lie in at least 3 urns.
No, the buddha is eternal, & incarnates from time to time. One is due this
century, past due really. A trait shared with the xian Jesus.
Though thought of as the most important buddha, there have been no less
that three [some sects say thousands] that preceded him, & one is yet to
follow. The Maiterya Strangely enough, in that aspect he could be
considered a messiah.
No less than 54 buddhas are mentioned in the Lalitavistar.
The no less than five dhyani buddhas form a special group, yet are
buddhas.
Leave Hinduism and it's variations aside for a bit. Gautama was a Hindu, and
Can't, they are a major portion of his followers, as well as accepting the
buddha as an avatar of vishnu, one of their trinity.
Though not the only source of accepting buddha as a divine, it is a major
one I would suspect. To falsify buddha, you need to falsify vishnu as well.
But then, that is something you were not aware of.
he sought not to create a new faith, just to show the way to enlightenment.
You know this how? Gotama is no the only buddha, nor is he definitive of
what a buddha is.
Unlike the xian myth, once one attains buddha, they are no longer
reachable, not even by prayer.
Exactly. Nirvana is 'nothingness' but is not 'nothing', a difficult concept
to grasp.
Not really, you've already been there, as has every other human being. It
is called the time before your birth. Remember it?
As noticed from the above, the buddha is not only a deity/god in its own
right, but can also be understood as a series of avatar's, or even a class
of gods.
Some buddhas:
Mi lo Fo
For the girls
Buddhalocana
following is a list from the net that I've not had time to check, so I do
not claim it to be accurate. Unfortunately its in a name dump under a
search result of dhyani, so maybe you can find it.
Shakyamuni Buddha Buddha of Enlightenment Buddha Vajradhara
Bddha
Vajradharma
Akshobhya Amitabha Medicine Buddha Eight Medicine Buddhas
Female Bodhisattvas 21 Taras Green Tara Green Tara
White Tara Namgyalma Prajnaparamita Simhamukha
Male Bodhisattvas Chenrezig 1000 Arm Chenrezig Amitayus
Manjushri White Manjushri Vajrapani Vajrasattva
Yidams Chakrasamvara (2) Chakrasamvara (12) Guhyasamaja
Samayavajra Vajrayogini (new) Vajrayogini (old) Yamantaka
Protectors Mahakala (6) Mahakala (4) Kalarupa
Kinkara Vaishravana Vajradaka
I can't be held responsible for the hijacking of the Buddha's good name by
You aren't, but to falsify a buddha as a deity, you have to deal with the
entire package, not a sliver. Not so easy is it Hugh. Try going through
about twenty thousand of them things called gods sometime.
the Hindus et al, or the 'deification' of him by various cultures, nor the
unauthorized use of the term 'Buddha'. The Bodhisattvas cannot be considered
'deities', either.
They can, & in some sects are. But then, we are discussing the
falsification of buddha, & you are trying to claim there is only one of
them. Not so Hugh.
Now, didn't I advise you not to choose buddha?
What was to critique? Or maybe better, you can see why I advised against
try buddha?
Worse than trying to find one Jesus of Nazareth by golly.
walksalone who is stil waiting on that falsification, along with a
definiton to work with.
So... our conclusion is... what? Because someone thinks the Buddha's a god
How can it be otherwise, humans invent their gods for a multitude of
reasons. Unless you were there, it is impossible to falsify a god, & even
then you will play hell & never succeed with a *true believer*. It matters
not what or who that god is.
(or avatar, or whatever), it can't be falsified? The Buddha denied that he
was a god, I think that's pretty conclusive. If Jesus had denied being God
A buddha, not the buddha. A difference I would hope that by now you are
aware of.
then things would be a little different now, wouldn't they? Anyhow, we
I don't think so, I suspect that people were so damned miserable that
anything would have started a new myth. But then,Jesus who. At least the
buddha is accepted as historical, one of them anyway.
should get this straightened out before I move on to Michael and Muhamed.
Yup, good luck. I won't be super critical, but I will be picky so that if
we ever settle on a god definition, we at least will understand what we are
talking about.
Ain't research fun? You can learn so much you thought was not the way it
is, usually by accident.
walksalone who suspects Hugh had not really thought it out when he selected
buddha. But he is learning & that is no bad thing.
H.
--
It is hard to say whether the doctors of law or divinity have
made the greater advances in the lucrative business of mystery.
Edmund Burke, A Vindication of Natural Society, 1757
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02 Sep 2004 02:57:38 PM |
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<snip... getting to the point.>
On 26-Aug-2004, walksalone <walksalone@dirty.deeds.done.dirt.cheap.llc>
wrote:
should get this straightened out before I move on to Michael and
Muhamed.
Yup, good luck. I won't be super critical, but I will be picky so that if
we ever settle on a god definition, we at least will understand what we
are
talking about.
Ain't research fun? You can learn so much you thought was not the way it
is, usually by accident.
walksalone who suspects Hugh had not really thought it out when he
selected
buddha. But he is learning & that is no bad thing.
Okay, so, if someone decides that a certain personage is a 'god' be it an
avatar, or whatever (I still don't think an avatar or an 'incaranation' can
be considered a god.) then it falls upon me to prove him otherwise? With
such a broad definition of 'god', I fear that I am doomed to failure.
Nonetheless, let us proceed.
Michael "Who is like God?" (Heb.)
St. Michael is one of the principal angels; he led good angels in the battle
fought in heaven against the enemy and his followers. Several times his
actions are recorded in Scripture: Daniel 10:13, Daniel 12, Revelation 12:7,
arguably in Genesis 3:24, Numbers 22:22, and IV Kings 19:35. Also, the
apocyrphal books 'The Catholic Epistle of St. Jude',and 'The Revelation of
Moses', among others. As an angel (and not a god), Michael's sole purpose is
to serve the Lord. In particular, to fight against Satan, to call men's
souls to judgment, and to rescue them from the power of the enemy
(especially at the hour of death). Although theologians agree that angels
are poweful spirtual beings (powerful enough to rend the universe apart if
not constrained by the greater power of God), I've been at a loss to find a
reference to them (especially Michael in particular) being gods unto
themselves. Even walksalone's favorite source of myths (Babylonian)
considers them as messengers only.
Unless someone out there has decided that St. Michael is a god, or the
definition of god is broad enough to include archangels, I don't know how
you can wriggle your way out of this one.
H
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On Thu, 2 Sep 2004 19:57:38 GMT, wrote:
<snip... getting to the point.>
On 26-Aug-2004, walksalone <walksalone@dirty.deeds.done.dirt.cheap.llc>
wrote:
should get this straightened out before I move on to Michael and
Muhamed.
Yup, good luck. I won't be super critical, but I will be picky so that if
we ever settle on a god definition, we at least will understand what we
are
talking about.
Ain't research fun? You can learn so much you thought was not the way it
is, usually by accident.
walksalone who suspects Hugh had not really thought it out when he
selected
buddha. But he is learning & that is no bad thing.
Okay, so, if someone decides that a certain personage is a 'god' be it an
avatar, or whatever (I still don't think an avatar or an 'incaranation' can
be considered a god.) then it falls upon me to prove him otherwise? With
Why not, xianity is based on that very concept, a god [yahweh] incarnate.
such a broad definition of 'god', I fear that I am doomed to failure.
Nonetheless, let us proceed.
No, you are not, but the chore you have accepted may be beyond you. So
what, you are learning.
Michael "Who is like God?" (Heb.)
One definition, but we still do not have a definition of a god yet. I
suspect you would be better off were we to hash that out first.
Want me to start the ball rolling?
A god may or may not have one or more of the following
attributes/associations.
1. Be supernatural [almost mandatory, never seen otherwise]
2. Meddle in the affairs of humans
3. Be either good, evil, or neutral in dealing with humans
4. May be the victim of apotheosis
5. may be local [the norm prior to the Judaic myth]
6. May, or may not answer to a superior god[dess]
Add your assumptions/definitions & let's discuss them.
St. Michael is one of the principal angels; he led good angels in the battle
St. Michael, talk about assuming your conclusions & special pleading.
We are talking about Michael, the divine entity accepted in the OT among
possibly other places.
Saints need not apply.
fought in heaven against the enemy and his followers. Several times his
According to one myth, he lost to Joseph, & that site was called Beth El,
currently shortened to Bethel. Meaning then, where god was fought to a
standstill, now, house of god.
Lets see what others have to say about the god Michael shall we.
first found in referenced to the following
Dubbiel (Dubiel, Dobiel-"bear-god") -guardian angel of Persia and one of
the special accusers of Israel. In the light of the legend that all 70/72
tutelary angels of nations became corrupted through national bias, Dubbiel
is regarded corrupt and an evil angel, a demon in xian mythology.
Michel is excluded from the above as the protector of Israel.
Bit of a large responsibility for a mere flunky. Not to mentioned biased.
Moving on we find the following
We find he has at the minimum the angel A'albiel in a subservient state.
He is one of the seven angels of Prayer, he carries the prayers of the
saints to whichever god he is subservient to.
He is also a governor of the seasons, a shared responsibility.
A tutelary angel if Israel who was prayed to by the Essene community as
follows:
"Michael, Angel of Earth, enter my generative organs and regenerate my
whole body."
He also has the following attributes:
Grants miracles,
fosters :
Mercy,
Repentance,
Truth,
Sanctification,
Blessing,
Immortality,
Patience and love to human-kind
Protective of those who good as well as just
So far he looks like a god, he has been prayed to with the expectation of
that prayer being answered.
snip grimorie references.
Although theologians agree that angels
Would that be the xian brand o theologians [who, technically are not as
they only study one set of gods & one myth in particular], or all
theologians?
are poweful spirtual beings (powerful enough to rend the universe apart if
not constrained by the greater power of God), I've been at a loss to find a
Hum,being god, as defined by the xians is not the same god as those over
the Hindu & Mesopotamian [Persian actually] myths, you are trying to limit
the playing field to one myth only maybe?
reference to them (especially Michael in particular) being gods unto
themselves. Even walksalone's favorite source of myths (Babylonian)
???????????????
I prefer first nations of the Americas, but when dealing with the revealed
gods of the desert, seems better to deal with the region. No?
considers them as messengers only.
They meet no less than 4 of the definitions I have listed above, so as near
as I can tell, they are subservient gods used primarily in the role of
messengers, but not without god like powers. & the ability to act in spite
of or to spite there senior gods wishes. Remember the satan that supposedly
rebelled? An angel with the power of a god. Granted, your myth does not see
it that way, but yours is only one myth pout of many, & not the defining
one at that.
Unless someone out there has decided that St. Michael is a god, or the
Can't say about a St. Michael, but the Arch angel/angel god known as
Michael, that is a separate discussion.
definition of god is broad enough to include archangels, I don't know how
you can wriggle your way out of this one.
No wiggle required.
The definition of a god is so ambiguous that even you could suffer
apotheosis & be one. But not to worry, I won't be to the one to suggest
such shame is your just desert.
H
walksalone who notices that the buddha deity's have been dropped? Does that
mean the discussion is over/
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Live as you will have wished to have lived when you are dying.
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On 2-Sep-2004, walksalone <spam@fcc.gov> wrote:
Okay, so, if someone decides that a certain personage is a 'god' be it
an
avatar, or whatever (I still don't think an avatar or an 'incaranation'
can
be considered a god.) then it falls upon me to prove him otherwise? With
Why not, xianity is based on that very concept, a god [yahweh]
incarnate.
By avatar, I mean an individual aspect of a particular deity; as in the
Hindus adapting the Buddha as an avatar of Vishnu. The Buddha denied being a
god; logically avatars are not necessarily gods unto themselves. Incarnate,
I think is misused. It means to take solid, or bodily form; as in 'evil
incarnate' God is not an incarnation; unless one considers the short time
that Jesus walked the Earth.
such a broad definition of 'god', I fear that I am doomed to failure.
Nonetheless, let us proceed.
No, you are not, but the chore you have accepted may be beyond you. So
what, you are learning.
Okay, but it's all uphill.
Michael "Who is like God?" (Heb.)
One definition, but we still do not have a definition of a god yet. I
suspect you would be better off were we to hash that out first.
Want me to start the ball rolling?
A god may or may not have one or more of the following
attributes/associations.
1. Be supernatural [almost mandatory, never seen otherwise]
unless an incarnation, no?
2. Meddle in the affairs of humans
3. Be either good, evil, or neutral in dealing with humans
Christian concept of free will notwithstanding.
4. May be the victim of apotheosis
5. may be local [the norm prior to the Judaic myth]
Patron saints?
6. May, or may not answer to a superior god[dess]
Angels, I would assume.
dd your assumptions/definitions & let's discuss them.
St. Michael is one of the principal angels; he led good angels in the
battle
St. Michael, talk about assuming your conclusions & special pleading.
We are talking about Michael, the divine entity accepted in the OT among
possibly other places.
Saints need not apply.
In Michael's case, 'Saint' is an honorific. He and the other archangels are
obviously not the same as human saints.
fought in heaven against the enemy and his followers. Several times his
According to one myth, he lost to Joseph, & that site was called Beth El,
currently shortened to Bethel. Meaning then, where god was fought to a
standstill, now, house of god.
Missed that one.
Lets see what others have to say about the god Michael shall we.
first found in referenced to the following
Dubbiel (Dubiel, Dobiel-"bear-god")
Wouldn't St. Gabriel fit that discription better?
guardian angel of Persia and one of
the special accusers of Israel. In the light of the legend that all 70/72
tutelary angels of nations became corrupted through national bias, Dubbiel
is regarded corrupt and an evil angel, a demon in xian mythology.
Demonology gives me the creeps.
Michel is excluded from the above as the protector of Israel.
Bit of a large responsibility for a mere flunky. Not to mentioned biased.
Lots of nations have 'patron saints'
Moving on we find the following
We find he has at the minimum the angel A'albiel in a subservient state.
He is one of the seven angels of Prayer, he carries the prayers of the
saints to whichever god he is subservient to.
He is also a governor of the seasons, a shared responsibility.
A tutelary angel if Israel who was prayed to by the Essene community as
follows:
"Michael, Angel of Earth, enter my generative organs and regenerate my
whole body."
"St. Michael the Archangel, defend us in the day of Battle; Be our safeguard
against the wickedness and snares of the Devil. May God rebuke Him, we
humbly pray, and do Thou, O Prince of the Heavenly Host, by the power of
God, cast into Hell, Satan and all the other evil spirits, who prowl through
the world, seeking the ruin of souls."
That's more eloquent. You'll notice, 'by the power of God' indicating any
power and authority held by Michael as coming from God Himself.
He also has the following attributes:
Grants miracles,
'Intercession' it's still, however, done through the power of God.
fosters :
Mercy,
Repentance,
as would any saint.
Truth,
Sanctification,
Blessing,
Immortality,
Patience and love to human-kind
Protective of those who good as well as just
Fits our description of St. Michael.
So far he looks like a god, he has been prayed to with the expectation of
that prayer being answered.
We pray to the Saints, but they are not gods, they too, pray.
Would that be the xian brand o theologians [who, technically are not as
they only study one set of gods & one myth in particular], or all
theologians?
I'm particularily biased towards Catholic theology.
Hum,being god, as defined by the xians is not the same god as those over
the Hindu & Mesopotamian [Persian actually] myths, you are trying to limit
the playing field to one myth only maybe?
well, those cultures have a pretty broad definition. Our concept of God
(from a theological standpoint) is something probably alien to them.
reference to them (especially Michael in particular) being gods unto
themselves. Even walksalone's favorite source of myths (Babylonian)
???????????????
I prefer first nations of the Americas, but when dealing with the revealed
gods of the desert, seems better to deal with the region. No?
Oh, yes, of course.
considers them as messengers only.
They meet no less than 4 of the definitions I have listed above, so as
near
as I can tell, they are subservient gods used primarily in the role of
messengers, but not without god like powers
Uh oh, you're broadening the definition, and 'god like powers' what the heck
does that mean? Super-human, perhaps, but with an omnipotent being as your
god, there is simply no having 'god like powers'
& the ability to act in spite
of or to spite there senior gods wishes. Remember the satan that
supposedly
rebelled? An angel with the power of a god
Ah, yes. Lucifer had the power of a 'god', be he did not have the power of
God, and St. Michael kicked his butt out of Heaven.
Granted, your myth does not see
it that way, but yours is only one myth pout of many, & not the defining
one at that.
Actually, that's pretty much the way we see it.
Unless someone out there has decided that St. Michael is a god, or the
Can't say about a St. Michael, but the Arch angel/angel god known as
Michael, that is a separate discussion.
'god' is becoming a really general term.
definition of god is broad enough to include archangels, I don't know
how
you can wriggle your way out of this one.
No wiggle required.
The definition of a god is so ambiguous that even you could suffer
apotheosis & be one. But not to worry, I won't be to the one to suggest
such shame is your just desert.
walksalone who notices that the buddha deity's have been dropped? Does
that
mean the discussion is over/
not really... it's on hold while I figure out some definitions.
H.
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"Le vrai peut quelquefois n'etre pas vraisemblable."
(At times truth may not seem probable.)
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03 Sep 2004 12:35:51 AM |
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On Fri, 3 Sep 2004 03:13:55 GMT, wrote:
On 2-Sep-2004, walksalone <spam@fcc.gov> wrote:
Okay, so, if someone decides that a certain personage is a 'god' be it
an
avatar, or whatever (I still don't think an avatar or an 'incaranation'
can
be considered a god.) then it falls upon me to prove him otherwise? With
Why not, xianity is based on that very concept, a god [yahweh]
incarnate.
By avatar, I mean an individual aspect of a particular deity; as in the
The ward avatar has at least three meanings, of which one indicates
godhood.
Hindus adapting the Buddha as an avatar of Vishnu. The Buddha denied being a
god; logically avatars are not necessarily gods unto themselves. Incarnate,
Logically, the gods don't exist. That does not stop people from accepting
that they do in fact exist.
I think is misused. It means to take solid, or bodily form; as in 'evil
incarnate' God is not an incarnation; unless one considers the short time
that Jesus walked the Earth.
Now I admit that no one knows the supposed amount of time that your object
of adoration was around, historically & theologically he wasn't. But there
is a claim extant for what, thirty three years.
I am under no constraints in accepting an avatar is not limited in time on
earth to do what the god wants to do in that incarnation.
Or are you trying to limit the powers of the gods?
such a broad definition of 'god', I fear that I am doomed to failure.
Nonetheless, let us proceed.
No, you are not, but the chore you have accepted may be beyond you. So
what, you are learning.
Okay, but it's all uphill.
Now, when is it not uphill, especially when you are dealing with concepts
in a manner that you are not even used to thinking of them in the light we
are examining them in now?
Michael "Who is like God?" (Heb.)
One definition, but we still do not have a definition of a god yet. I
suspect you would be better off were we to hash that out first.
Want me to start the ball rolling?
A god may or may not have one or more of the following
attributes/associations.
1. Be supernatural [almost mandatory, never seen otherwise]
unless an incarnation, no?
You missed the almost then? You will note that I do not know everything nor
do I claim that not so exalted office.
2. Meddle in the affairs of humans
3. Be either good, evil, or neutral in dealing with humans
Christian concept of free will notwithstanding.
Yech, what free will if your gods exist. Do yourself a favor, & before you
even think about dragging that red herring into the conversation, do a
google on free will in AA, & read the posts.
Abner Mintz, Andrew Lias, Therion Ware, are but a few that have good heads
on their shoulders, though sometimes I do blink as Therion's posts.
4. May be the victim of apotheosis
5. may be local [the norm prior to the Judaic myth]
Patron saints?
No, gods. As in Oden, as in the Alps, as in Brigete, as in Eusus [don't
even go there, at least three hundred years prior to your similar spelling
version], Dagda, Medb,, just a whole bunch more, to include the current
demon list of the xian pantheon.
6. May, or may not answer to a superior god[dess]
Angels, I would assume.
Not really, though an angel can be a superior god. They are not restricted
to your myths region you know.
dd your assumptions/definitions & let's discuss them.
Nothing to add, there are more than the above Hugh. Surely you have some
concept of the requirements for a god.
St. Michael is one of the principal angels; he led good angels in the
battle
St. Michael, talk about assuming your conclusions & special pleading.
We are talking about Michael, the divine entity accepted in the OT among
possibly other places.
Saints need not apply.
In Michael's case, 'Saint' is an honorific. He and the other archangels are
obviously not the same as human saints.
Not obvious, after all, by accident I ended up a theologian [no, not a one
trick variety as the word is commonly used today], so I take you at your
word until I have time or resources to study it. At least in your case
there may be something to your claims, others obviously not.
To date, god wise, you share that same fate as the others making that
claim.
To be expected really.
fought in heaven against the enemy and his followers. Several times his
According to one myth, he lost to Joseph, & that site was called Beth El,
currently shortened to Bethel. Meaning then, where god was fought to a
standstill, now, house of god.
Missed that one.
No shock, there are many things not taught to the average xian.
You may have noticed that by now.
Lets see what others have to say about the god Michael shall we.
first found in referenced to the following
Dubbiel (Dubiel, Dobiel-"bear-god")
Wouldn't St. Gabriel fit that discription better?
No, the angel Gabriel in Jewish mythology is a messenger & announcer.
Among other things.
guardian angel of Persia and one of
the special accusers of Israel. In the light of the legend that all 70/72
tutelary angels of nations became corrupted through national bias, Dubbiel
is regarded corrupt and an evil angel, a demon in xian mythology.
Demonology gives me the creeps.
Part & parcel of the study of gods Hugh. But oddly enough, most demon
claims are based on the older superior gods of other mythology's. Well, not
so odd really.
Demons can & are beneficial in some locations, & still accepted to.
Michel is excluded from the above as the protector of Israel.
Bit of a large responsibility for a mere flunky. Not to mentioned biased.
Lots of nations have 'patron saints'
Not really, but lots of nations have gods that xians call patron saint's.
Moving on we find the following
We find he has at the minimum the angel A'albiel in a subservient state.
He is one of the seven angels of Prayer, he carries the prayers of the
saints to whichever god he is subservient to.
He is also a governor of the seasons, a shared responsibility.
A tutelary angel if Israel who was prayed to by the Essene community as
follows:
"Michael, Angel of Earth, enter my generative organs and regenerate my
whole body."
"St. Michael the Archangel, defend us in the day of Battle; Be our safeguard
against the wickedness and snares of the Devil. May God rebuke Him, we
humbly pray, and do Thou, O Prince of the Heavenly Host, by the power of
God, cast into Hell, Satan and all the other evil spirits, who prowl through
the world, seeking the ruin of souls."
Seems that he is a god in your eyes as well then.
Or is that a special case?
That's more eloquent. You'll notice, 'by the power of God' indicating any
power and authority held by Michael as coming from God Himself.
No, it is a modification of the Essene concept, & really, is noting but a
dodge. You find the same thinking in that -165 Gr. classic, Daniel.
He also has the following attributes:
Grants miracles,
'Intercession' it's still, however, done through the power of God.
Grant's, you don't get to redefine the role, nor do I. We are discussing
gods, & how they became to be accepted as gods. Your mission is to falsify
the claim, not define it out of existence.
fosters :
Mercy,
Repentance,
as would any saint.
Really, you can provide evidence for a Saint then, none church based claim,
evidence. How about Saint Bobby/ Can you provide evidence for him as well.
He was a righteous ***** after all.
Truth,
Sanctification,
Blessing,
Immortality,
Patience and love to human-kind
Protective of those who good as well as just
Fits our description of St. Michael.
Your concept of the god had to come from somewhere Hugh.
So far he looks like a god, he has been prayed to with the expectation of
that prayer being answered.
We pray to the Saints, but they are not gods, they too, pray.
That is one version, but it is a self defined version, & moot as far as
falsifying the god status of Michael. After all, that could be applied to
any god, if I allowed it, it would be a falsification. I don't for it is
not.
Would that be the xian brand o theologians [who, technically are not as
they only study one set of gods & one myth in particular], or all
theologians?
I'm particularily biased towards Catholic theology.
Taken for granted, so the answer was yes then?
Hum,being god, as defined by the xians is not the same god as those over
the Hindu & Mesopotamian [Persian actually] myths, you are trying to limit
the playing field to one myth only maybe?
well, those cultures have a pretty broad definition. Our concept of God
(from a theological standpoint) is something probably alien to them.
Not even, it wears the same robe & shoes. Your limitations that the
churches & xian theologians have placed on those gods, now that would be
alien to them indeed.
reference to them (especially Michael in particular) being gods unto
themselves. Even walksalone's favorite source of myths (Babylonian)
???????????????
I prefer first nations of the Americas, but when dealing with the revealed
gods of the desert, seems better to deal with the region. No?
Oh, yes, of course.
considers them as messengers only.
They meet no less than 4 of the definitions I have listed above, so as
near
as I can tell, they are subservient gods used primarily in the role of
messengers, but not without god like powers
Uh oh, you're broadening the definition, and 'god like powers' what the heck
What definition, you have yet to supply one.
does that mean? Super-human, perhaps, but with an omnipotent being as your
god, there is simply no having 'god like powers'
No, it means god like, as in things normally associated with the Agnostos
Theos of humanity. Some of the more commonly accepted traits, etc.
& the ability to act in spite
of or to spite there senior gods wishes. Remember the satan that
supposedly
rebelled? An angel with the power of a god
Ah, yes. Lucifer had the power of a 'god', be he did not have the power of
Lucifer who, that name is neither Jewish nor Greek, the Greek's being the
founders of your myth.
God, and St. Michael kicked his butt out of Heaven.
But not god [which would have been El] by himself. Bit telling that.
Granted, your myth does not see
it that way, but yours is only one myth pout of many, & not the defining
one at that.
Actually, that's pretty much the way we see it.
Then you are right at least once in your life, scary huh?
Unless someone out there has decided that St. Michael is a god, or the
Can't say about a St. Michael, but the Arch angel/angel god known as
Michael, that is a separate discussion.
'god' is becoming a really general term.
No, god always was a general term, without precise definitions it will
always be a general term. Beginning to see that now are you then?
definition of god is broad enough to include archangels, I don't know
how
you can wriggle your way out of this one.
No wiggle required.
The definition of a god is so ambiguous that even you could suffer
apotheosis & be one. But not to worry, I won't be to the one to suggest
such shame is your just desert.
walksalone who notices that the buddha deity's have been dropped? Does
that
mean the discussion is over/
not really... it's on hold while I figure out some definitions.
No strain, after all, I expect to have to refer to a book or two before
this discussion is over. At least, I hope so.
H.
walksalone who is starting to enjoy this.
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The Epicurian question, from about -300 Gr?
Is god willing to destroy evil, but not able? Then he is NOT OMNIPOTENT.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is MALEVOLENT.
Is he able and willing? Then WHY IS THERE EVIL?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then WHY CALL HIM GOD?
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"walksalone" <walksalone@dirty.deeds.done.dirt.cheap.llc> wrote
Actually, I thought that was going to be part of your point.
Now why should it be. After all I can't read your mind. What may be a
deity
to you, obviously is not a deity to me. need you definitions old boy,
really, when entering a discussion of this nature, we all do.
That's part of the problem. The word "god" is useful enough for general
discussion, but each culture has a slightly different conception of what a
"god" is.
Yet, in the Hindu pantheon, he is an avatar of vishnu, one of the Hindu
trinity. So I guess that pretty much confirms he is a god. Mind you, not
all gods claimed to be gods, nor is it meant for humans to know which gods
walk among them, depending on the myth you follow or are reading.
Someone must regard a person as a "god", or soemthing similar, to be
included on your list. No-one has claimed divinity for Dan Quayle. However
Buddah never claimed divinity, which is a serious problem to anyone
regarding him as divine. However when you start theorising about "avatars"
then of course it becomes very difficult to disprove the divinity of any
person, without looking at the theory of "avatars" itself.
Can't, they are a major portion of his followers, as well as accepting the
buddha as an avatar of vishnu, one of their trinity.
Though not the only source of accepting buddha as a divine, it is a major
one I would suspect. To falsify buddha, you need to falsify vishnu as
well.
But then, that is something you were not aware of.
You aren't, but to falsify a buddha as a deity, you have to deal with the
entire package, not a sliver. Not so easy is it Hugh. Try going through
about twenty thousand of them things called gods sometime.
So it becomes very difficult to disprove the negative. What you can do is
show that the basis for the claimed divinity is very shaky, since Buddah
didn't regard himself as a avatar of vishnu.
That's why I confined myself to showing that all the other gods are
less-well attested than Jesus, rather than trying extensive scholarship.
Since you didn't seem to be able to grasp this point, the discussion
terminated.
walksalone who suspects Hugh had not really thought it out when he
selected
buddha. But he is learning & that is no bad thing.
You'd have the same problem, philosophically, if you selected Julius Caesar,
because most Hindus would be happy to accept him as some sort of aspect of
the divine. However Caesar's cult is no longer still active, so in practical
terms most Hindus don't think much about him.
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| Title: Re: Walksalone's Big God List |
30 Aug 2004 08:48:54 PM |
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"Malcolm" <malcolm@55bank.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in
news:ch0fql$6bv$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk:
"walksalone" <walksalone@dirty.deeds.done.dirt.cheap.llc> wrote
Actually, I thought that was going to be part of your point.
Now why should it be. After all I can't read your mind. What may be a
deity
to you, obviously is not a deity to me. need you definitions old boy,
really, when entering a discussion of this nature, we all do.
That's part of the problem. The word "god" is useful enough for
No, that is your problem. You assume that you know what you are talking
about when you bleat god. You can't even define it in a rational way, &
expect others to accept your bleat as woth considering.
general discussion, but each culture has a slightly different
conception of what a "god" is.
Not really, there are about five definitive atributes to all deities. But
then, not knowing what you have not bothered to learn, I can see why you
are confused.
Yet, in the Hindu pantheon, he is an avatar of vishnu, one of the
Hindu trinity. So I guess that pretty much confirms he is a god. Mind
you, not all gods claimed to be gods, nor is it meant for humans to
know which gods walk among them, depending on the myth you follow or
are reading.
Someone must regard a person as a "god", or soemthing similar, to be
You have no idea what the criteria are, & being you ran like a scalded
dog with ice applied to its balls when you had the chance to impress the
audience, you have lost the privalage of being taken seriously in this
thread, or any other where a god, gods, or even your pimp on astick are
concerned.
included on your list. No-one has claimed divinity for Dan Quayle.
Which is a red herring & a deliberate atempt to lower the discussion to
your level of compentence.
However Buddah never claimed divinity, which is a serious problem to
Buddha, the individual did not, but he did suffer apotheos iin some
sects.
Buddha is not of necessity the buddha, though no one expects you to mknow
or accept that.
anyone regarding him as divine. However when you start theorising
about "avatars" then of course it becomes very difficult to disprove
So, if a sect accepts bauddha as an avatar, according to you they are
wrong. Care to apply that same standard to your pantheon. I doubt it.
the divinity of any person, without looking at the theory of "avatars"
itself.
Horseshit, people have always defined their gods, yours inculded. Unlike
yours however, there is a fair chance of the buddha [the one you think of
in a Pavlovian rsponse to the word buddha] did exist. Fr from certain
from what I have seen, but a very good a chance or better than your happy
is me myth.
Can't, they are a major portion of his followers, as well as
accepting the buddha as an avatar of vishnu, one of their trinity.
Though not the only source of accepting buddha as a divine, it is a
major one I would suspect. To falsify buddha, you need to falsify
vishnu as
well.
But then, that is something you were not aware of.
You aren't, but to falsify a buddha as a deity, you have to deal with
the entire package, not a sliver. Not so easy is it Hugh. Try going
through about twenty thousand of them things called gods sometime.
So it becomes very difficult to disprove the negative. What you can do
Look buttinski, whether you like it or not, Hugh has the willingness to
try to falsify some gods, a task you are not up to even trying. So do the
world a favor, if you've nothing to add to the conversation, go ***** up a
rope tied over your head.
is show that the basis for the claimed divinity is very shaky, since
Buddah didn't regard himself as a avatar of vishnu.
He wasn't, but buddha, now that is a different matter as Hugh has found
out, & you still have not figured out.
I sincerly hope this denser than Adamite skull you are displaying is a
usenet act. But it seems natural.
That's why I confined myself to showing that all the other gods are
less-well attested than Jesus, rather than trying extensive
You never even did that, just claimed it to be so. You really are a sorry
excuse for a person when you attempt to reflect unearned credit on your
screw ups.
scholarship. Since you didn't seem to be able to grasp this point, the
discussion terminated.
Nice cop out, the discusssion terminated because you were not man enough
to admit you could not falsify any there gods listed.
Your challange was straight forward, just falsify. you tried to divert
it, it did not work. & now you are claiming you terminated the discussion
when in faxct all yhou did was run from it. Even xians noticed it.
But then, when your life is based on lies, I can see how it would be
natuiral to assumed it would be ok to lie in public.
walksalone who suspects Hugh had not really thought it out when he
selected
buddha. But he is learning & that is no bad thing.
snip to make room, & Julius Ceasar may still be worshipped for all I
know.
But even he suffered apotheosis, so yes, techincally he was a god, still
is until those that insulted him in that manner rescend their decree.
Now, about those three gods you are not man, or woman, enough to falsify.
Which three were they again?
Be sure to point them out to the audience.
A'akuluujjusi Abaangui Abaasy Ababinili Abaddon
Abadir Abarimon Abathur Abatur Abba Amona
Abbas Abdallah Abdals Abdiel Abdrianahoabu
Abdu'r-Rahman Abere Abgal Abhijit Abigail
Abigor Abinadab Abora Abracadabra
Absu Abu Jahl Ac Yanto Acan Acat Acephali
Achiyalatopa Achor Aclla Acolmiztli Acolnahuacatl
Acoran Acuecucyoticihuati Ad Adaheli Adam
Adam Beliyya'al' Adam Kadmon Adam Kasia Adaox
Adapa Adar Adaro Adekagagwaa Adi Putra Adimurti
Aditi Aditinggi Adityas Adjassou-Linguetor Adjinakou
Adlet Adlivun and Adon Adonai Adrammelech
Adriamahilala Adriambahomanana Adroa Adroanzi Adya Houn'tò
Aesma Daeva Afa Afrit Aganju Agas Agasaya
A-gaskw Agassou Agastya Agaures Agé Agemem Aghora
Agla Aglibol Agloolik Agni Aguara Agwe Ah Bolom Tzacab
Ah Cancum Ah Chun Caan Ah Chuy Kak Ah Ciliz
Ah Cun Can Ah Cuxtal Ah Hulneb Ah Kin
Ah Kumix Uinicob Ah Mun Ah Muzencab Ah Patnar Uinicob
Ah Peku Ah Puch Ah Tabai Ah Toltecat
Ah Uincir Dz'acab Ah Uuc Ticab Aha Njoku Ahalya
Ahau Chamahez Ahau-Kin Ahduth Ahi
Ahimelech Ahl Al-Badr Ahmad Ahmakiq
Ahoeitu Aholi Ahriman Ahsonnutli
Ahulane Ahura Ahura Mazda Ahurani
Ai Ai Apaec Ai Tojon Aigamuxa
Aigiarm Aion Aipaloovik Airavata
Airyaman Aitu Aitvaras Aizen-Myoo
Aja Aja Ajari Joan Ajbit
Aje Aji Saka Ajilee Aji-Shiki
Aji-Suki-Taka-Hi-Kone Ajok Ajtzak Ajysyt
Aka Aka Manah Aka-Kanet Ak-ana
Akbaalia Akba-atatdia Akewa Akhlut
Akhushtal Akkad Akkan Akna
Akonadi Akshayapatra Akycha Al Ait
Al Araf Al Borak Al Kadr Al Sirat
Ala Alaghom Naom Alaghom Naom Tzentel
Alakapuri Alalus Alardi Alauwaimis
Albino Spirit animals Alchera Alektca Alele
Aleyin Alignak Alii Menehune Alilat
Alkonost Alk'umta'm Allah Allanque
Allat Allatu Allatum Allowat Sakima
Allulu Alom Alom-bag-winno-sis Alom-begwi-no-sis
Alowatsakima Altan-Telgey Altjira Alu
Aluluei Aluqa al-Uzza Alyasa'
Alyeong Am Ama-arhus Amadlozi
Amagandar Amaguq Amala Amam
Aman Ama-No-Minaka-Nushi Amaravati
Amashaspan Amaterasu Amatsu Mikaboshi
Amatsu-Kami Ama-Tsu-Mara Ambat Ambika
Ambiki Ame-No-Kagase-Wo Ame-No-Mi-Kumari
Ame-No-Oshido-Mimi Ame-No-Toko-Tachi Ame-No-Wakahiko Ameretat
Amesha Spentas Amida Amimitl Amitabha Amitabha
Ami-Te-Rangi Amitolane Amm Amma Amma
Ammavaru Ammon Am-No-Tanabata-Hime Amori Amorites
Amotken Amrita Amurru An Anahid
Anahita Anak Anakim Anala Anan Ananga
Ananku Anansasem Anansi Anansi-Tori Ananta
Ananta Thewi Anantaboga Anantesa Anapel
Anat Anath Anatiwa Anatu Anbay Anbiya'
Ancient Spider Andaokut Andhaka Andiciopec Andriamanitra
Andrianahary Andrianamboatena Anduruna Aneka-Warna
Anerneq Angalkuq Angels Angiris Angra Mainyu Anguta
Angwusnasomtaka Ani Hyuntikwalaski Anila Animal spirits
Aningan Aniwye Anjea Anjuman Anky-Kele Annamurti
Annapurna
Annecy Anog Ite Ansa Anshitsu Anta Kusuma Antaboga
Antichrist Anting-anting Antu Anu Anulap Anumati
Anunitu Anunna Anunnaku Anuradha Anyiewo Anzu Ao
Apa Apakura Apalala Apam Napat Apam-natat Apanuugak
Apaosa Apap Apicilnic Apikunni Apkallu Apo Apo Katawan
Apocalypse Apocalyptic Beast Apocatequil Aponibolinayen Apotamkin
Apotequil Apoyan Tachi Apsaras Apsu Apu Illapu
Apu Lagang Apu Punchau Apu-Hau Apu-Ko-Hai
Aqalax Aqhat Aql' Ara Tiotio A'raf Arallu
Aranyani Aranzahas Ararat Aray Arazu Archangels
Archons Ardhanari Ardhanarisvara Ardra Arebati Aredvi
Aremata-Popoa Aremata-Rorua Arendiwane Areoi
Areop-Enap Arinna Arinnitti Arioch
Arishtat Arjuna Arma Armageddon Armaiti
Armazd Arnakua'gsak Arohirohi Arsaces
Arsay Arsh Arsh Arsu Artinis Arundhati Aruru
Aryman Aryong Jong Asa Asagwe Asar Asase Ya
Asdiwal A-senee-ki-wakw Asertu Asgaya Gigagei Asha vahishta
Asherah Asherat Ashiakle Ashnan Ashta-Dikpalas
Ashtoreth
Ashuku-Nyorai Ashur Asiaq Asilky Asin Asintmah
Ask-wee-da-eed Aslesa Asman Asmodeus Asokottamasri
Aspalis Aspelenie Assembly of the Gods Astabis Astamatara
Astar Astarte Astlik Asto Vidatu Astomi Astvat-Ereta
Asura Asurakumara Asuras Asvayujau Asvins
Ata Atacokai Ataguchu Ataguju Atahensic
Atai Atanea Atanua Atar Atarapa Atargatis Atea Atharva
Veda
Atharvan Athirat Athtar Ati Aticandika Atik
Atisokan Atius Tirawa Atl Atlacamani Atlacoya
Atlaibos Atlatonin Atlaua Atman Atonga
Ato-sees Atrahasis Atri Atshen Atsolowas
Attis Atu Atua Atua Fafine Atua I Kafika
Atua I Raropuka Atugan Atutuahi Auahi-Turoa Auchimalgen
Au-Co Audjal Aulanerk Aumakua Aumanil
Aunga Aunggaak Aunt Nancy Auparu Auraka
Auriaria Ausautas Ausrine Austeja Ausweikis
Autrimpas Avaiki Avaiki Tautau Avalou
Avatars of Vishnu Avatea Avya Awabi
Awaeh Yegendji Awakkule A'war Awes-kon-wa
Awha Awitelin Tsta Awonawilona Axomama
Aya Ayauhteotl Ayesha Ayida-Weddo
Ayizan Ays Ayyappan Azaka-Tonnerre
Azazel Azaziel Azeban Azi Dahaka
Azima Azrael Ba Ba Ngu'
Ba Xian Baal Baal Shamin Baal-Addir
Baalat Baal-Berith Baal-Biq'ah Baal-Gebal
Baal-Hadad Baal-Hammon Baal-Karmelos Baal-Malage
Baal-Marqod Baal-Peor Baal-Qarnain Baal-Samem
Baal-Sapon Baatsi Baaxpee Baba
Babbar Bacabs Bacalou Bachue
Backlum Chaam Badessy Badi Mata Badoura
Baga Bagadjimbiri Bagala Bagaspati
Bagisht Bagucks Bahram Baiame
Baj Bajania Bakbakwalanooksiwae Bakemono
Baku Bala Balakrsna Balam
Balam-Agab Balam-Quitzé Balan Balarama
Baldhead Bale Kenchur Balepa Bali
Balin Balkis Baloma Bamapana
Banaitja Banga Bangputys Banka-Mundi
Bannik Banoi Baphomet Barabbas
Baraka Bardo Bardoyats Baron Samedi
Barqiya Basamacha Basamum Basket Woman
Basmu Bat Kol Batara Guru Batibat
Batsolowanagwes Batul Baytu-Llah bDud
Bé b'lia Bead Spitter
Beda Bedig-wajo Beelzebub Beg Beg-tse
Behemoth Beher Beiwe Bel
Bel Belan Belet-Ili Beletseri
Belial Belit-Sheri Belogob Belphegor
Bendis Beng Benkei Benten
Benzai-Ten Berchta Bereginy Berith
Beruth Bethel Bhadra Bhaga
Bharadwaja Bharani Bharat Mata Bharati
Bhavanavasi Bhavani Bhima Bhrigus
Bhumidevi Bhumiya Bhutamata Bhutas
Bhuvanesvari Bia Biame Bidadari
Bielbog Big Heads Big Man Eater Big Tail
Bikeh Hozho Bimbogami Bimbomushi
Bimini Binzuru-Sonja Bishamon Bishara
Bissat Bitol Bixia Yuanjin Black Hactcin
Black Tamanous Blind Boy Blind Man Blood Clot Boy
Bloody Hand Blorong Blue Dragon Blue-Jay
Bmola Bobbi-bobbi Bochica Bogatyri
Boldogasszony Boli Shah Bolontiku Bomazi
Bombay Kamayan Bomoh Book of Life Boraspati ni Nato
Boroka Boru Saniang Naga Bosatsu Bossou Ashadeh
Boszorkany Boum'ba Maza Brag-srin-mo Brahma
Brahmani Brahmapura Brahmastra Breksta
Brekyirihunuade Bridge of Heaven Bridge of Jehennam Brihaspati
Brolga bTsan Bua-Taranga Bubwayaita
Buddha Buddhi Budha Budhi Pallien
Bue Buffalo Buga Bugady Musun
Bugid Y Aiba Bukit Kaca Buku Bukura e dheut
Bukuri e qiellit Bulotu Bulu Buluc Chabtan
Buluga Bumba Bunbulama Bunjil
Bunosi Bunyip Burijas Buriyas
Burnt Belly Burnt Face Burotu Bushyasta
Buta Butsu Butsudan Butsudo
Butterfly Butyakengo Buyan Buyasta
Byelobog Byelun Byon Cabaguil
Cabirus Cabrakan Cacoch Cacodaemon
Caha-Paluma Cain Cai-shen Cakixia
Cakulha Camaxtli Camaxtli Camaxtli
Camazotz Camros Camulatz Canotila
Cao Guo-jiu Capa Captain Debas Cariocienus
Carp Catequil Cauac Cavillaca
Ccoa Celestial kings Centeotl Centipede
Centzon Totochtin Centzonuitznaua Cetan Cghene
Chac Chac Uayab Xoc Chahnameed Chaitanya
Chalchiuhtlatonal Chalchiuhtlicue Chalchiutotolin Chalmecacihuilt
Chalmecatl Chama Chamer Chamunda
Chanak Chanda Chandanayika Chandarupa
Chandavati Chandesvara Chandi Chandika
Chandogra Chandra Chandrasekhara Changing Bear Woman
Changing Woman Chantico Chaob Charred Body
Chasca Chasca Coyllur Chaturmurti Chaya
Chebeldei Chemosh Cheng-huang Chepi
Cherruve Cherubim Cherufe Chia
Chibaiskweda Chibchacum Chibiabos Chibirias
Chiccan Chickcharney Chicomecoatl Chicomexochtli
Chiconahui Chiconahuiehecatl Chie Chien-shin
Chih Nu Chiha Yo Changgun Child-Born-in-Jug Chimata-no-kami
Chiminigagua Chinnamastaka Chirakan Chiruwi
Chitra Chitragupta Chiuta Choimha
Ch'o-je Cholmus Chonguite Chors
Chthonic gods Chu Jiang Chujo Hime
Chuku Chulyen Chumong Chu-nhà
Chup-Kamui Chuvalete Cibaciba Cihuacoatl
Cin-an-ev Cinteotl Cipactli Cirapé
Cit-Bolon-Tum Citipati Citlalatonac Citlalicue
Ciucoatl Ciuteoteo Civatateo Cizin
Clermeil Cliff ogre Coatlicue Cochimetl
Cockatoo Coco macaque Cocomama Cogaz
Colel Cab Colleda Colop U Uichkin Compair Lapin
Con ma dau Con tram nu'o'c Conga Congo
Copacati Coquena Coyolxauhqui Coyopa
Coyote Crnobog Crow
Crow Woman ***** Hau Cunawabi Cur
Curicaberis Cybele Da Dabbat
Dabog Dabur Daena Daevas
Dagan Dagon Dagwanoenyent Dahaka
Dahdahwat Dahhak Daibosatsu Daikoku
Dainichi Dainichi-Nyorai Daityas Dakini
Daksha Dakuwanga Dala Kadavara Daldal
Dalhan Dalnim Damballa Damgalnunna
Damkina Dan Petro Dan Wédo Danavas
Danu Dapie Darago Daramulum
Darana Dar-es-Salaam Dasim Dasyus
Datan Datin David Dawn Maiden
Dawud Dayang-Raca Da-yu Dazsbog
Debata Debata Idup Degei Deivai
Delilah Demiurge Demon Dena
Deng Deo Dev Dev
Deva Devaki Devana Devapurohita
Devasena Devata Devel Devequth
Devi Devil Dewi Gandari Dewi Nawang Sasih
Dewi Shri Dhakhan Dhanistha Dhanvantari
Dhara Dharani Dharma Dharti Mata
Dha-shi-zhi Dhatar Dhat-Badan Dhatri
Dhisana Dhol Dhruva Dhumavati
Dhumorna Dhumravati Dhurjati Diable Tonnere
Dibbuk Di-cang Diejuste Digawina
Di-guan Diiwica Dilga Dilmun
Dimste Dinclinsin Dipamkara Diti
Dives Diviriks Diwe Di-ya
Diyin dine Djambu Baros Djanggawul Djien
Djigonasee Djunkgao dMu Dogai
Do-gakw-ho-wad Dogoda Dohit Dohkwibuhch
Dola Domfe Dominions Domovikha
Domovoi Donar Dongo Dong-yue da-di
Dosojin Dou-mu Dozoku-shin Drac
Dragon Carp Dragon kings Drakulu Draupadi
Dream time Drestarata Drilbu Drug
Drug Drupadi Drvaspa Duc Ba
Dudugera du-l Halasa Dumuzi Dund
Dunne Enin Dur Durgha Dusares
Dvorovoi Dyaus Pita Dyaush Dyavaprthivi
Dybbuk Dzalarhons Dzee-dzee-bon-da Dzi dzat
Dziewanna Dziva Ea Eabani
Eagentci Eagle Eanna Earth Shaman
Ebeh Ebisu Ec Edinkira
Eeyeekalduk Egbere Egil Egres
Egungun-oya Ehecatl Ehlaumel Eingana
Eingsaun nat Eithinoha Eitumatupua Ekchuah
Ekera Ekhart Ekibiogami Ekkeko
Ekur El Eleazar Ele'ele
Eleipaio Elisha Eljon El-la
Ellel Ellil Elohim Elom
Elsh Elunirsa Ema Emese
Emma-o Empung Luminuut En En
Enbilulu Endukugga Enekpe En-kai
Enki Enkidu Enkimdu Enlil
Enmerkar Enmesarra Ennugi Enoch
Enore Enuma Elish Enumclaw Enushirgal
Epalirai Eranoranhan Erathipa Erda
Ereshkigal Eridan Eridu Erivorsh
Er-lang Erlik Erra Erzulie
Es Esaugetuh Emissee Eschetewuarha Eseasar
Esege Eshara Eshmun Eshu
Eskeri Estanatlehi Etana Etemmu
Eternal Tables, The Etugen Eugpamolak Manobo Evaki
Ewah Fa'atiu Face Faces of the Forests
Fakahotu Fall False Face medicine False Face sickness
False Faces Famine Fan-kui Faravai
Faro Fastachee Fati Fatit
Fei Lian Fene Feng Bo Feng Po-po
Feng-huang Fetu Fionn Firdaus
Fire Dogs First Creator First Scolder Fisaga
Flaming Teeth Flint Man Flower Woman Foot Stuck Child
Frashegird Fravashis Fu Xi Fudo
Fudo-Myoo Fue Fujin Fuku-Nyorai
Fukurokuju Fuls Funadama Funzi
Futsu-Nushi-no-Kami Fu-xing Gabija Gabjauja
Gabriel Gad Ga-gaah Ga-gorib
Gagqa Gaki Gakido Galeru
Gallu Galokwudzuwis Gama Gamab
Gama-Sennin Gandarewa Gandharvas Ganesha
Ganga Gangan Gao Yao Gaoh
Gao-kerena Garuda Gatutkaca Gauri
Gauri Gayomard Gayomart Gbadu
Gbekre Geezhigo-Quae Gekka-o Gendenwitha
Genetaska Geong Si Geranium Gergasis
Geser Gestinanna Gethsemane Geus-Tasan
Geus-Urvan Gewi Ghaddar Ghanan
Ghede Ghoul Gibil Gilgamesh
Gilgul Giltine Girru Gleti
Glispa Glooskap Gluscabi Gluskab
Gnowee gNyan Goe Gog and Magog
Gohone Golden Calf Golem Golgotha
Goliath Gong De Tian Gong Gong Gongen
Gora-Daileng Go-Shin Tai Gou Mang Gozu-Tenno
Gramadeveta Gran Maître Grand Bois Great Mother
Greenmantle Grendel Gruagach gShen-lha od-dkar
Gu Guan-di Guan-yin Gucumatz
Guguyni Gui Gui Xian Guinee
Gukumatz Gula Gul-ses Gun
Gun Gunab Gunuko Guriang Tunggal
Guru Minda Guta Gwau Meo Gyhldeptis
Ha Wen Neyu Habaek Habakkuk Hac Tao
Hacha'kyum Hachiman Hadad Hadur
Haemosu Haenim Hafaza Haggai
Hagondes Hahau-Whenua Hahgwehdaetgan Hahgwehdiyu
Haikili Ha'il Haimavati Hai-uri
Haiwa Hala Ham Ham
Hamatsa Han Han Xian-zi Hanan Pacha
Hananim Hand of God Hanish Haniyasu-hiko
Haniyasu-hime Hanlnim Hannahannas Hantceiitehi
Hantu Hantu Air Hanui-o-Rangi Hanuman
Hanwasuit Haokah Haole Haoma
Hapinunu Harihara Haronga Harun and Haruna
Hasameli Ha-Shem Hashim Hastseoltoi
Hastshehogan Hasu-Ko Hau Hau Marangi
Haubas Haukim Haumea Haumia Tiketike
Haurvatat Hauzu'l-Kausar Hawai'iki Hawenniyo
Hawiya Haya-Ji Hazzi He Bo
He Xian-gu Hebat Hedammu Heduru
Heitsi-eibib Heldenbuch Hell Hema
He'mask.as Heng O Heo Hwangok Hepit
Herovit Hetepet Hexateuch Heyoka
Hez-ur Hiawatha Hidari Hidesato
Hi'iaka Hiisi Hike Hikohohodemi
Hikuleo Hilal Himaphan Himavat
Hina Hina-Ika Hine-i-Tapeka Hine-Kau-Ataata
Hine-nui-te-Po Hine-Tu-Whenua Hinokagutsuchi Hiranyagarbha
Hiranyakashipu Hiro Hiruko Hisagita-imisi
Hisa-Me Hittavainen Hiyoyoa Hkum Yeng
Hmin Hoderi Hoja Hoji
Hokhokw Holle Honsi Honsu
Hoori Horagalles Hor-Hekenu Horon
Horus Hosea Hoso-no-Kami Hotei
Hotoke Hototogisu Hou Ji Hou Tu
Houris Hovatu-koiari How-chu How-too
Hu Hu Jing-de Huacas Huang Fei-hu
Huang-chuan Huang-di Huang-lao Huang-lao-jun
Hubal Hudaybiya Huehueteotl Hueyuku
Huh Huitaca Huitzilopochtli Huixtocihuatl
Hukm Hulda Humay Humbaba
Humban Hun Came Hun Hunahpu Hunab Ku
Hunahpu Hunahpu Utiu Hunahpu-Gutch Hunayn
Hungan Hunhau Hunsi Huntin
Hurakan Hutama Huve Hvar
Hvarekhshaeta Hwanin Hwanung Iao
Iarilo Ibbur Ibeorgun Iblis
Ibn Abbas Ibofanga Ich-kanava Icho
Ictinike Ida Ida-Ten Idisi
Idliragijenget Idzumo Iegad Ifa
Ife Igaluk Igigi Ignirtoq
Iha-Naga Ihu Ihy ikanam
Ikanam Ika-Roa Ika-Tere Ika-Zuchi-no-Kami
Iki-Ryo Iko Iktomi Il
Ila Ilaheva Ilham Ilik
Illapa Illiyun Illujanka Illuyankas
Ilmarinen Ilmatar Ilyap'a Imana
Imhotep Imilozi Imiut Imliq
Imra Imran Imset Ina
Ina-da Samadulo Höse Inanna Inapertwa Inari
Indar Indra Indra Indrani
Ininna Injil Inkosazana Inmutef
i'noGo tied Insal Al-Kamil In-Sha'-Allah Inti
Intulo Inua inyana Io
Ioskeha Ipalnemohuani Ipet Iqi-Balam
Ira Ira-Waru Irkalla Irmin
Irsirra Isaac Isaiah Isara
Isdes Isdustaya Isha Ishigaq
Ishkhara Ishkur Ishtar Ishullana
Ishum Ishvara Isis Isitoq
Islam Isma'il Isora Israfel
Issitoq Issunboshi Isten Isten
italugi itan Itchita Ite
Ittan-momen Itzamna Itzananohk`u Itzlacoliuhque
Itzli Iva I'wai Ix
Ix Chebel Yax Ixchel Ixmucane Ixpiyacoc
Ixtab Ixtlilton Ixzaluoh Iya
Iyatiku Izanagi Izanami Izdubar
Izha Iztaccihuatl Jabru Jachin
Jacob's Staff Jaganmatri Jagganath Jahannam
Jahnu Jalal Jalamdhara Jaljogini
Jamal Jamm Jamshid Jan
Janguli Japhet Jarih Jarovit
Jarri Jar-Sub Jebro Jeh
Jehova Jentayu Jessis Jesus Christ
Ji Nu Jian Di Jian Lao Jiang Shr
Jigami Jikininki Jikogu Jikoku
Jimmu Tenno Jin Jin Jia Jin Laut
Jingo Jingu Jinushigami Jizo
Jogah Joh Jok Jonah
Judi Juesaes Juichimen Julana
Julunggul Juma Jumala Junit
Juok Jurojin Jurupari Jyothisha
ka Kaaba Kaakwha Kaang
Ka-Ata-Killa Kabun Kachina Kadlu
Kaf Kafur Kagutsuchi Kaha'i
Ka-Ha-Si Kahoali Kahomovailahi Kahukura
Kaik Kai-n-Tiku-Aba Kaitabha Kaiti
Kaka-Guie Kakka Kaksisa Kalamainu
Kalevanpojat Kalfu kali Kali
Kalki Kalma Kalseru Kaluk
Kalunga Kama Kamado-gami Kamaitachi
Kamapua'a Kambel Kame Kami
Kamidana Kami-kaze Kami-Musubi Kaminari
Kamohoalii Kamrusepa Kamulla Kan
Kanae Kanaka Kanaloa Kana'ti and Selu
Kanayama-hiko Kanayama-hime Kane Kane Hoalani
Kanteletar Kan-u-Uayeyab Kan-xib-yui Kapila
Kapo Kapoonis Kappa Kapua
Kapuku Kara-han Karei Karihi
Karna Karora Karshipta Karttikeya
Kaswa, Al Kasyapa Kat Katanes
Kataragama Kathar Katib Kaukas
Kauket Kaulu Kavi Kavvana
Kawa-no-Kami Kawaya-no-kami Kayanuhime-no-Kami Kaze-no-Kami
Kazikamuntu Kebechet Kebechsenef Keelut
Keeta-skog Kee-wakw Kee-zos-en Kefitzat ha-Derekh
Kematef Kemwer Kenro-Ji-Jin Keremet
Khaldi Khalilu'llah Khandava Khannas
Khanzab Khara Khem Khentamenti
Khentimentiu Khepri Khetrpal Khnum
Kholomodumo Khonvoum Khors Khovaki
Khrut Khshathra vairya Khuld Khuluppu
Khusaw Khusor Ki Kianto
Kiavari Kidili Kigatilik Kihe-Wahine
Kiho Tumu Kihunai Ki'I Kiji
Kijo Kiku Ki-lin Kilioa
Kim Alji Kim Suro Kimat Kimpurushas
K'in Kingu Kinich Ahau Kinich Kakmo
Kinnara Kinnaras Kintaro Kirin
Kis Kishelemukong Kishi-Bojin Kishijoten
Kishimo-jin Kisin Kiskill-lilla Kitap Ngelmu
Kitsune-Tsuki Kiwa Kiwi Kiyo
Klieng Klu Kmukamch Kodomo-no-Inari
Koeulla Koevasi Koftim Ko-gok
Kohara Kojiki Kojin Koki
Kokopelli Kokutai Koliada Ko'lok
Komba Kombu Komoku Kompera
Kon Konaki Jiji Kondole Kongo
Kongo-Kai Ko-no-Hana Korawas Koriro
Korrawi Korware Koshchei Koshin
Kothar Kothar-u-Khasis Koya-no-Myoin Koya-Shonin
Kratim Kratti Krishna Krittikas
Kru Ksheera Sagara K-tsee Awa-soos Ku
Kuala Kuang Shi Kubera Kud
Kudia Kui Kui-xing Kujiga
Kuk Kukailimoku Kuku Lau Kukulcan
Kukunochi-no-Kami Kukuth Kul Kulitta
Kulla Kul-Uasa Kulullu Kumarbi
Kumiho Kumo Kumokomba Kumu-Honua
Kumulipo Kunapipi Kundrav Kuni-Toko-tachi
Kunitsu-Kami Kun-lun Kupala Kupua
Kur Kurabi Kura-Okami Kurke
Kurma Kuru Kurukulla Kuruma
Kusag Kushapatshikan Kusuh Kutjara
Kutkinnaku Kutni Kutya'I Kwaku Ananse
Kwakwakalanooksiwae Kwatee Kwatyat Kwekwaxa'we
Kwikumat Kwoth Kyoi Kyun-gai mGo-can
La'a Maomao Labbu Labuna Lada
Lagua Lahar Lahatala Lahurati
Lahut Laka Laki Tenangan Lakshmana
Lakshmi Lamastu Lamed Vav Lan Cai-he
Land Otter People Langsoir Lanij and Lewoj Lao-jun
Lascowiec Latura Laufakanaa Laukosargas
Laume Lawalawa Lawkapatim Legba
Lei-gong Lei-zi Lemba Lemminkâinen
Letao Levi Leviathan Lewalevu
Leyak Leza Lha Lhamo
Li Tie-guai Li T'ien Lidah Bumi Lijakwe
Liktanur Lilith Liluri Limba
Limbo Limdunanji Limu Ling Xiao Bao Dian
Lingadua Ling-bao tian-zong Ling-guan L'inglesou
Lioumere Lipsipsip Lisa Liu Bei
Ljeschi Ljubi Loa LoBeibat
Loco Logobola Lokapalas Loko
Lo-lol Lona Lone Man Long
Long cold Long Nose Longorik and Longolap Long-wang
Lono Loon Loon Medicine Loon Woman
Losi Lot Lotan Lowa
Lowalangi Lu Ban Lu Dong-bin Lua-o-Milu
Lubaale Lucian Lucifer Lucius
Lugeilan Lugulbanda Luk Luke
Lukman Luot-chozjik Lutin Lu-xing
Luz Ma Wang Maahes Maahiset
Ma'at Machanu Macuilxochitl Madderakka
Mademoiselle Charlotte Mae Maenam Maero
Mafdet Mafui'e Maganda Magatama
Magigi Magilum Mago Mah
Mahadeva Mahakala Mahameru Mahes
Mahiki Mahina Mahiuki Mahre and Mahrianag
Mahrem Mahucutah Mahu-ike Maihun
Mait' Carrefour Maîtresse Délai Maîtresse Hounon'gon Maitreya
Makara Makara Makea-Tutara Makemake
Makenaima Makunaima Makutu Malachi
Malahas Malakas Malakbel Malara
Malesk Malina Malinalxochi Malsumis
Mama Mama Allpa Mama Cocha Mama Oello
Mama Pacha Mama Quilla Maman Brigitte Mamaragan
Mambo Mami Mami Wata Ma-mian
Mamitu Mamlambo Mammetu Mammetum
Mammon Mammuyon Man in moon Mana
Manabozho Manaf Managilunod Managtanem
Manakib Manananggal Manasa-Devi Manat
Manawa Manco Capac Mandah Mandarangan
Maneki neko Manetuwak Mangala Bulan Mangar-kunjer-kunja
Mango-Roa-I-Ata Manitou Mannegishi Mannumbo
Mantchu-Muchangu Manu Manu Manuk Patiaraja
Mao Maohi Mara Marama
Marassa Marassa Jumeaux Marawa Marduk
Mareikura Mari Marid Marikoriko
Marinette Marisha-Ten Mar'rallang Marré
Marruni Marttanda Martu Maru
Marunogere Maruts Masaya Masewi
Mashyane Mashye Maski-mon-gwe-zo-os Massassi
Massim-Biambe Mastema Master of Life Mata Upola
Matabiri Matagaigai Matagi Matariki
Matarisvan Mat-gwas Mati Syra Zemlya Matshishkapeu
Matsya Matteh Matuku Matuku Tago Tago
Matuu Maui Mauri Mavutsinim
Mawu Mayahuel Mayon Mazikeen
Mbaba Mwana Waresa Mbere Mbir Mbomba
Mbon Mbotumbo M-da-weelh-ak Medeine
Medeoulin Medicine Meek-moos-ak Mehen
Mehturt Meiden Mejenkwaar Mekala
Melchizedek Memra Men Mendes
Menehune Menhit Menog Men-shen
Menthu Mentu Merau Meret
Meretseger Meri Merodach Merodach
Merong Maha Wangsa Mert-sekert Meru Mesede
Mesenet Mesha Meskhenet Metamorphoses
Metamorphosis Magic Metatron Meteinuwak Methuselah
Metsänneitsyt Metztli Mextli Micah
Micaiah Michabo Michael Mictanteot
Mictlan Mictlantecuhtli Mihos Mihr
Mikchich Mikula Mikumwesu milk
Milk Milkom Milu Min
Minaksi Minawara Minga Bengale Miro
Miru Misca Misogi-Kyo Misor
Miss Nancy Mithra Mitnal Mitra
Mixcoatl Miyazu-Hime Mizuhame-no-Mikoto Mnewer
Mobad Mochi Mo-hi-hai Mokele-Mbembe
Moko Mokoi Mokos Moksa
Moloch Mombu Momotaro Mon
Mongwi Kachinum Monju-Bosatsu Monkey Monkey King
Mool-sem Moor-Slayer Moos-bas Mordecai
Moses Moshanyana Mot Motho and Mungo
Motikitik Motoro Mounanchou Mountain Man
Mountain Woman M-ska-gwe-demoos Mu Gong Mucalinda
Mugasa Mugasha Muhammad Muhyi
Muireartach Mujinto Mu-king Mukuru
Mulac Mulajadi na Bolon Mulitta Mulo
Mulungu Muma Padurii Mummu Mura-mura
Murimuria Mursal Murukan Musisi
Musso Koroni Musubi-no-Kami Mut Muut
Muwakkil Muyingwa Myesyats Mylitta
Na Atibu Na Kika Naaki Nabangatai
Nabu Nacon Nadab Nagas
Nagi Tanka Nago Shango Nagual Nahhundi
Nahi Nahual Nahum Nai-no-Kami
Nainuema Nairyosangha Najade Nakaa
Nakatsu-Hime Naka-Yama-Tsu-Mi Nakisawame Nakshatras
Nala Namaka Namita Nammu
Namrud Namtar Namuci Namus
Nana Buluku Nanabozho Nanaja Nanauatzin
Nana-Ula Nandi Nandini Nanghaithya
Nang-lha Naniumlap Nankil'slas Nanna
Nannar Nanom-keea-po-da Nanook Nanshe
Napir Napkirály Narada Narada
Naraka Narasinha Nareau Nari
Naryana Nasnas Nasr Natha
Nathan Nats Naum Naunet
Nav N-dam-keno-wet Ndara Ndauthina
Ndengei Nebaioth Neb-er-tcher Nebtuu
Nebuchadnezzar Nebuchadrezzar Nechmetawaj Nechushtan
Nee-ben Neferhor Nefertem Negafook
Negoogunogumbar Nehalennia Neheb-ka Nehebkau
Nehemiah Nei Marena Nei Teuke Nei Tituaabine
Neiterogob Neith Nekhbet Nenun
Neper Nephilim Nephthys Nepit
Nergal Neriosang Nerrivik Nerthus
Nesr Neter-khertet Neti Nevinbimbaau
Nga Nga-Atua Ngai Nganaoa
Nganga Ngariman Ngaro Ngaru
Ngendi Ngurai Nha-San Nianque
Nibhaz Nidaba Nikkal Nikko-Bosatsu
Nikobo Niman Nimush Nin
Nin-agal Ninatta Ninawa Ninazu
Nindukugga Ninedinna ning wot Ningal
Ningirsu Nin-gishzida Ningizzida Ninhursag
Ninib Ninigi-no-mikoto Nin'insina Ninkarrak
Ninkasi Ninki Ninlil Ninmah
Ninshar Ninsun Ninsusinak Nintu
Nintur Ninurta Ninyo Nioo
Nirah Nirriti Nirrta Nirrti
Nirvana Nisaba Nisaba Nishanu
Nisir Nisroch Niu Wang Niu-you
Nkosi Yama'kosi Nogomain Nohochacyum Nokomis
Nominosukune Nommo Nomoi Nonadey
Nootaikok Nu Nuba Nudimmud
Nuga Nü-gua Nujalik Nukatem
Num Numi-Torem Nun Nunet
Nunne Chaha Nur Nurikabe Nusku
Nusku Nut Nu'u Nyalitch
Nyame Nyia Nyorai Nyrckes
Nyungu Nzame Nzeanzo Oa Rove
O-Ana-Mochi Oanomochi Obadiah Obassi
Obatala Obrigwabibikwa Ochun Odel
Odqan Odudua Odzihozo Ogdoad
Ogoun Oho-Kuninushi Ohonamochi Oho-Yama
Ohtas Ojin Tenno Oki Okuni-Nushi
Old Man Olelbis Olifat Olmai
Oloddumare Olofat Olokun Olorun
Omacatl Ombwiri Omecihuatl Ometecuhtli
Ometeotl Omitsunu On Onamuji
Onatha One Tail of Clear Hair Oni Ono
Ono pacakoti Oodzee-hozo Oonawieh Unggi Opochtli
Ora Ordog Orisha Ormazd
Oro Oromila Orotal Orungan
Orunmila Oryonggeo Oshun Oshunmare
Osiris Ostara Ot Otohime
Ouroboros Ovinnik Owatatsumi Owl Woman
Oxocé Oya Oyamatsumi Oya-Shima-Guni
Pa Pa Pandir Pa-cha Pachacamac
Pachet Pa-don-gi-ak Pah Pahuanui
Paikea Pajainen Pajonn Pak Hyeokkeose
Paka'a Pakku Pakrokitat Pakua
Paliuli Palk Palulop Pamba
Pan Jin Lian Pana Pane na Bolon Pan-gu
Pani Paoro Papa Papa Legba
Papare Papaya Papsukkel Para
Parasurama Pariacaca Paricia Parvati
Patal Patecatl Pattini Paynal
Pazuzu Pe-ben Pekko Pele
Pellervoinen Pemtemweha Peng-lai Peng-zi
Pentatecu Pere Perendi Pereplut
Peris Perit Perkunas Perun
Peshdadians Petbe Petesuchos Petro
Pia Piasa Picullus Picvucin
Pidray Pie Pigobara Pikváhahirak
Pili Pim-skwa-wagen-owad Pincoya Pinga
Pinikir Pishashas Pitru-ganas Pitua
Pla-ween-noo Pok-wejee-men Polevik Polovoi
Pomola Pon Pontianak Popocatepetl
Porenutius Porevit Porpoise Girl Potipher
Pot-tilter Poukai Pradyumna Prairie Falcon
Prajapati Prajapatis Preas Eyn Preas Eyssaur
Preas Prohm Prende Preta Prisni
Prthivi P-skig-demo-os P-son-en Ptah
Ptah-Seker-Osiris Ptehehincalasanwin Pua Tu Tahi Puchan
Pue di Songi Pue m Palaburu Pueulla Pugu
Pukatala Pukkeenegak Puna Punchau
Pundjel Puntan Puranas Purgine-Pas
Purusha Pusa Pusait Pusat Tasik
Pushan Putana Puteri Gunung Ledang Putuperereko
Puzur-Amurri Pyramus and Thisbe Qada Qadesh
Qalam Qamaits Qandisa Qat
Qaynan Qeb Qetesh Qi Gu-niang
Qingu Qin-shu-pao Qiqirn Qisas Al-Anbiya
Qormusta Quades Quamta Quaoar
Quetzalcoatl Qumu Qusur Qutb
Qutrub Quzah Ra Raa
Raashiel Rabbi Loeb Rabbu'l-Nau' Radogast
Raeit Ngabal Rahim Rahkoi Rahman
Rahu Raicho Raiden Raijin
Raiju Raiko Raitaro Raj
Raja Angin Raja Hantuen Raja Indainda Raja Jinn Peri
Raja Naga Raka Raka Maomao Rakan
Raksasa Raksha Raktavija Raluvimbha
Ram Rama Ramachandra Ramman
Ramman Ran-deng Rangi Raphael
Raphael Rapithwin Rarog Rashnu
Rasoalao Rat Rata Rati
Ratri Rat-taui Ratu-mai-mbula Rauni
Ravana Raven Ravi Ravola
Raw Gums Razana Razanajanahary Re
Rediyas Re'em Rehua Reiko
Reitia Renenet Renenutet Renpet
Rephaim Reret Resef Reshef
Reshep Resheph Rhibus Rig Veda
Riiki and Rigi Riiti Rimenanwe Rimmon
Rimu Rishis Risis Rock-Sene
Rod Rohe Rongelap and Rongerik Rongo
Rongo-Mai Ro'o Roua rta
Ru Ru Shou Rua Rua-Tapu
Ruau-Moko Ruda Rudra Rugiviet
Ruhu'llah Ruki Rukmini Rundas
Rustam Ruti Ryangombe Ryo-Wo
Ryugu Ryujin Saa saba-leippya
Sa-bdag Saci Sadhyas Sadrapa
Sae-no-Kami Safura Sagamores Sagapgia
Sahaba Sai Sa'ir Saitan
Sajigor Sakhmet Sakina Sakpata
Salbatanu Salman Salsabil Sama Veda
Samael Sambara Sambo-kojin Samebito
Sampo Sampsa Samseong myth Samson
Samuel Samulayo Samuqan Sanam
Sangrail Sangs-po bum-khri San-guan San-huang
Sani Sanopi San-qing Sanshilyong
San-xing Saps Saqar Sara
Sarama Sarandib Saranyu Sarasvati
Sarruma Sarudahiko Sarutahiko Ohkami Satan
Sataran Satet Sati Satis
Saurva Sava Savali Savitar
Savitr Savitri Savriti Sayfu'llah
Sayhun Saynday Sayyid Scorpion Men
Scotia Se Seb Sebek
Sechat-Hor Sed Sedna See-gwen
Seides Seker Selardi Sengen
Sennin Sentait Seok T'alhae Sepa
Septu Seraphim Serapis Seri and Hurri
Serket Serq Sesha Seshat
Sesmu Setebos Seth Shabah
Shabbat Hamalka Shachihoko Shadrapha Shafan
Shahar Shai Shait Shaka
Shakpana Shakti Shakuru Shamash
Shango Shapash Sharuma Shasti
Shaubarak She-di Shekhina Shem
Shen Yi Shen-nung Shesanaga Shezbeth
Shi Tenno Shichi Fujukin Shihab Shiko-Me
Shinda Shine-To-Be Shine-Tsu-Hiko Shiq
Shi-Ryo Shitatera-Hime Shiti Dama Shitta
Shiva Shka-Bavas Shki-Pas Shoden
Shodo Shonin Shojo Shoki Sholmos
Shotoku Shou-lao Shou-xing Shu
Shu'ayb Shudkher Shui-guan Shullat
Shulpae Shun Shurdi Shutu
Si Sia Siats Sibzianna
Sida Siddhas Siddiq Sidrat-Al-Muntaha
Siduri Siga Sihai Siho I Salo
Sijil Sijjin Si'la Sila
Silewe Nazarate Silili Siliniez Simargl
Simbi Si-ming Simon Simurgh
Sin Sin Sina Sinaa
Singa Singbonga Sinlap Sint Holo
Sipe Gyalmo Sirao Sirat al-Mustaqim Sisiutl
Sita Siu Yan Siwini Skambha
Skan Skanda Smaj Snallygaster
Sno-Nysoa Sobek Sobo Sogbo
Soku-no-Kumi Solanang Solang Solmundae Halmang
Solomon Soma Somtus Song Di
Song-zi niang-niang Sons of Horus Sopdet Sopedu
Sophia Soripada Sosondowah Sousson-Pannan
Spandaramat Spenta Mainyu Spider Spider Woman
Spor Sraosa Sri Sri
Srin-po Srosh Ssu Ling Sta-au
Stonecoats Stribog Striges Sudharma
Sudjaje Sudum Sugriva Suijin
Suitengu Sukra Sukuna-Biko Sulayman
Sulpa'e Sumba Sun Hou-zi Sun Wu-Kung
Sungrey Sun-pi Sunuwavi Suparsha
Supay Surial Surma Surya
Susanowa Sut Suwa' Suyolak
Svaha Svantetit Svarga Svarog
Svarozic Svatog Svetovit Svyatogor
Syen Szélkirály Ta Tanka Ta'aroa
Taautos Tabaldak Tabor Tabut
Tadaklan Tagaloa Tagaro Taghut
Taha Tahekeroa Tahiti Tokerau Taime
Taiowa Taishaku Tai-sui-xing Tai-yi
Tai-yue da-di Takamagahara Takami-Musubi Takara-Bune
Takemikadzuchi Taki-Tsu-Hiko Ta'lab Talay
Talocan Talut Tama Nui-Te-Ra Tamagostad
Tamapo Taming Sari Tammuz Tamon
Tanaoa Tane Tane-Mahuta Tanen
Tang Tangaloa Tangara Tangaroa
Tangotango Tangun Tanjim Tans
Tao-de tian-zong Taonoui Taouris Tapairu
Tapio Taqwus Tara Tara
Taraka Taranaich Taranga Tarhuhyiawahku
Tarhun Taringa Nui Tarogolo Tarquiup Inua
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