Religions > Atheism > Want a laugh? The new CIA chief - you can't make this stuff up
| Topic: |
Religions > Atheism |
| User: |
"Bill Case" |
| Date: |
11 Aug 2004 07:40:52 PM |
| Object: |
Want a laugh? The new CIA chief - you can't make this stuff up |
Bush wants Goss because he's just as stupid and subject to political
manipulation as Dumbya hisself. This is pretty funny,,, read on
Filmmaker Moore Quotes Goss on Lack of CIA Credentials
Reuters Wed Aug 11, 2004 06:40 PM ET
By David Morgan
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. Congressman Porter Goss, President Bush's
nominee for CIA director, could be his own worst enemy when it comes to
making the case that he deserves to lead the U.S. intelligence agency.
"I couldn't get a job with CIA today. I am not qualified," the Florida
Republican told documentary-maker Michael Moore's production company during
the filming of the anti-Bush movie "Fahrenheit 9/11."
A day after Bush picked Goss for the top U.S. spy job, Moore on Wednesday
released an excerpt from a March 3 interview in which the 65-year-old former
House of Representatives intelligence chief recounts his lack of
qualifications for employment as a modern CIA staffer.
"I don't have the language skills. I, you know, my language skills were
romance languages and stuff. We're looking for Arabists today. I don't have
the cultural background probably," Goss is quoted in an interview
transcript.
"And I certainly don't have the technical skills, uh, as my children remind
me every day: 'Dad you got to get better on your computer.' Uh, so, the
things that you need to have, I don't have."
Goss, who served with the CIA clandestine services in Latin America and
Europe in the 1960s, was not immediately available for comment.
He appears in Moore's film, the most financially successful documentary in
history, during a segment devoted to the USA Patriot Act, an anti-terrorism
measure.
Moore told Reuters that Goss, who until Tuesday was chairman of the House of
Representatives Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, granted an
interview to two of his producers ** without first checking to see who they
worked for**. ;-))) (great, just great)
"You'd think the person who was the head of the intelligence committee would
ask a few more questions," said Moore.
"The reality is that Porter Goss was in charge of the oversight of the CIA
during a time when the CIA didn't do its job, which in part resulted in the
loss of lives of 3,000 people," he said via telephone from New York.
A White House spokesman declined to comment specifically on the Goss
interview but described the lawmaker as "the most qualified man for the
job."
Goss is expected to appear at confirmation hearings before the Senate
intelligence committee next month.
.
|
|
| User: "Dave Gower" |
|
| Title: Re: Want a laugh? The new CIA chief - you can't make this stuff up |
12 Aug 2004 06:44:06 PM |
|
|
"Bill Case" <Billc548@Hotmail.com> quaoted second-hand
"I couldn't get a job with CIA today. I am not qualified," the Florida
Republican told documentary-maker Michael Moore's production company
during
the filming of the anti-Bush movie "Fahrenheit 9/11."
I don't know Goss from Donald Duck and have no idea what kind of chief he's
going to be, but this is a completely phoney story. He is saying he's
unqualified to be an operative. But the job he's getting is not an
operative, it's management.
As an example, many senior airline executives are not qualified pilots, but
so what? That's not what they're paid for.
.
|
|
|
| User: "Bill Case" |
|
| Title: Re: Want a laugh? The new CIA chief - you can't make this stuff up |
12 Aug 2004 06:55:58 PM |
|
|
"Dave Gower" <davegow.removethis@magma.ca> wrote in message
news:FYGdnRA2J41XnYHcRVn-ig@magma.ca...
"Bill Case" <Billc548@Hotmail.com> quaoted second-hand
"I couldn't get a job with CIA today. I am not qualified," the Florida
Republican told documentary-maker Michael Moore's production company
during
the filming of the anti-Bush movie "Fahrenheit 9/11."
I don't know Goss from Donald Duck and have no idea what kind of chief
he's
going to be, but this is a completely phoney story. He is saying he's
unqualified to be an operative. But the job he's getting is not an
operative, it's management.
As an example, many senior airline executives are not qualified pilots,
but
so what? That's not what they're paid for.
You missed the point.
Moore told Reuters that Goss, who until Tuesday was chairman of the House
of
Representatives Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, granted an
interview to two of his producers ** without first checking to see who they
worked for**. ;-))) (great, just great)
"You'd think the person who was the head of the intelligence committee would
ask a few more questions," said Moore.
"The reality is that Porter Goss was in charge of the oversight of the CIA
during a time when the CIA didn't do its job, which in part resulted in the
loss of lives of 3,000 people," he said via telephone from New York. <<
The guy is politcal. It's supposed to be a non politcal job.
Bush has a record of intelligence problems, the biggest being allegations of
polictical manipulation of intel to justify the Iraq war.
Bush staff outed a CIA agent over poltics, which is a criminal act (Valerie
Plame).
Just recently, Bush uncovered a turned al qaeda agent the Pakistanis had
caught in order to get the politcal benefit of some anti-terror fanfare,
tipping the enemy as to what we know, and precluding further al qaeda
apprehensions and probably stopping the Pakis from trusting us with
sensitive information in the future.
.
|
|
|
| User: "Dave Gower" |
|
| Title: Re: Want a laugh? The new CIA chief - you can't make this stuff up |
13 Aug 2004 09:50:11 AM |
|
|
"Bill Case" <Billc548@Hotmail.com> wrote
You missed the point.
No I got the point. I read it in the quote you posted. If you wanted me to
receive another "point" then that should have been the subject of your
quote.
In the used car business this is called "bait and switch". It's a staple of
slimeballs everywhere.
.
|
|
|
| User: "Bill Case" |
|
| Title: Re: Want a laugh? The new CIA chief - you can't make this stuff up |
13 Aug 2004 10:59:09 AM |
|
|
"Dave Gower" <davegow.removethis@magma.ca> wrote in message
news:IvSdnXpmp5y7SIHcRVn-vg@magma.ca...
"Bill Case" <Billc548@Hotmail.com> wrote
You missed the point.
No I got the point. I read it in the quote you posted. If you wanted me to
receive another "point" then that should have been the subject of your
quote.
In the used car business this is called "bait and switch". It's a staple
of
slimeballs everywhere.
You slimeball moron.
The guy brings no skills to the office.
He was on the intelligence overview committee over a period of many
intelligence *****-ups - can you figure that out, *****-up?
He is a poltically oriented person, being appointed to a critical
professional position, over an agency needing reform, by a President who has
been using intelligence for political purposes.
Not too bright are you slmeball?
.
|
|
|
| User: "Dave Gower" |
|
| Title: Re: Want a laugh? The new CIA chief - you can't make this stuff up |
13 Aug 2004 06:15:28 PM |
|
|
"Bill Case" <Billc548@Hotmail.com> wrote
Not too bright are you slmeball?
At least I can read.
.
|
|
|
| User: "Bill Case" |
|
| Title: Re: Want a laugh? The new CIA chief - you can't make this stuff up |
13 Aug 2004 06:45:40 PM |
|
|
"Dave Gower" <davegow.removethis@magma.ca> wrote in message
news:3Yednc-Y45QF1oDcRVn-tQ@magma.ca...
"Bill Case" <Billc548@Hotmail.com> wrote
Not too bright are you slmeball?
At least I can read.
Apparently you can't,. or think
.
|
|
|
| User: "Dave Gower" |
|
| Title: Re: Want a laugh? The new CIA chief - you can't make this stuff up |
13 Aug 2004 09:40:41 PM |
|
|
"Bill Case" <Billc548@Hotmail.com> wrote
Apparently you can't,. or think
You really have something wrong with your head. You post a quote and push a
conclusion. I reply pointing out a flaw in the relationship between the
quote and the conclusion. You reply by saying that I miss the point, and say
that I should have concluded something which, while reasonable enough, was
not the subject of the quote. When I reply that this is an unethical
debating tactic (which it is), you freak.
If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen.
.
|
|
|
| User: "Bill Case" |
|
| Title: Re: Want a laugh? The new CIA chief - you can't make this stuff up |
14 Aug 2004 10:55:55 AM |
|
|
"Dave Gower" <davegow.removethis@magma.ca> wrote in message
news:tKidnW9Azp8y5oDcRVn-ug@magma.ca...
"Bill Case" <Billc548@Hotmail.com> wrote
Apparently you can't,. or think
You really have something wrong with your head. You post a quote and push
a
conclusion. I reply pointing out a flaw in the relationship between the
quote and the conclusion. You reply by saying that I miss the point, and
say
that I should have concluded something which, while reasonable enough, was
not the subject of the quote. When I reply that this is an unethical
debating tactic (which it is), you freak.
Dumbass, look at the whole original post instead of the part you think you
can reply to competently..
Here's the original post you fool, it makes points in addition to what you
feebly addressed:
Bush wants Goss because he's just as stupid and subject to political
manipulation as Dumbya hisself. This is pretty funny,,, read on
Filmmaker Moore Quotes Goss on Lack of CIA Credentials
Reuters Wed Aug 11, 2004 06:40 PM ET
By David Morgan
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. Congressman Porter Goss, President Bush's
nominee for CIA director, could be his own worst enemy when it comes to
making the case that he deserves to lead the U.S. intelligence agency.
"I couldn't get a job with CIA today. I am not qualified," the Florida
Republican told documentary-maker Michael Moore's production company during
the filming of the anti-Bush movie "Fahrenheit 9/11."
A day after Bush picked Goss for the top U.S. spy job, Moore on Wednesday
released an excerpt from a March 3 interview in which the 65-year-old former
House of Representatives intelligence chief recounts his lack of
qualifications for employment as a modern CIA staffer.
"I don't have the language skills. I, you know, my language skills were
romance languages and stuff. We're looking for Arabists today. I don't have
the cultural background probably," Goss is quoted in an interview
transcript.
"And I certainly don't have the technical skills, uh, as my children remind
me every day: 'Dad you got to get better on your computer.' Uh, so, the
things that you need to have, I don't have."
Goss, who served with the CIA clandestine services in Latin America and
Europe in the 1960s, was not immediately available for comment.
He appears in Moore's film, the most financially successful documentary in
history, during a segment devoted to the USA Patriot Act, an anti-terrorism
measure.
Moore told Reuters that Goss, who until Tuesday was chairman of the House of
Representatives Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, granted an
interview to two of his producers ** without first checking to see who they
worked for**. ;-))) (great, just great)
"You'd think the person who was the head of the intelligence committee would
ask a few more questions," said Moore.
"The reality is that Porter Goss was in charge of the oversight of the CIA
during a time when the CIA didn't do its job, which in part resulted in the
loss of lives of 3,000 people," he said via telephone from New York.
A White House spokesman declined to comment specifically on the Goss
interview but described the lawmaker as "the most qualified man for the
job."
Goss is expected to appear at confirmation hearings before the Senate
intelligence committee next month.
.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
| User: "Kermit" |
|
| Title: Re: Want a laugh? The new CIA chief - you can't make this stuff up |
21 Aug 2004 11:09:13 PM |
|
|
"Bill Case" <Billc548@Hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<hz5Tc.19807$9Y6.19726@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>...
"Dave Gower" <davegow.removethis@magma.ca> wrote in message
news:IvSdnXpmp5y7SIHcRVn-vg@magma.ca...
"Bill Case" <Billc548@Hotmail.com> wrote
You missed the point.
No I got the point. I read it in the quote you posted. If you wanted me to
receive another "point" then that should have been the subject of your
quote.
In the used car business this is called "bait and switch". It's a staple
of
slimeballs everywhere.
You slimeball moron.
The guy brings no skills to the office.
He was on the intelligence overview committee over a period of many
intelligence *****-ups - can you figure that out, *****-up?
He is a poltically oriented person, being appointed to a critical
professional position, over an agency needing reform, by a President who has
been using intelligence for political purposes.
I'm guessing you're right on this, but I don't know. Bush's track
record would indicate it. On paper, Goss is qualified. He was a field
agent for ten years (a *spy), then sat on the congressional committee
on intelligence. Perhaps he's not the best for the job, but I'm
guessing that Bush felt pressured into getting someone onto the job
before the election, someone who would pass the Democrats' scrutiny.
He might be a lot better than we would get if Bush had taken his time
on this.
As for saying that he's not qualified to be an agent based on his
statements, maybe it's more like an old cop saying that he wouldn't be
qualified to be a new recruit ("Nope, never went to college. Probably
couldn't pass the physical, even when I was young. These young fellas
are hot stuff") Maybe it's that rare commodity in a politician:
modesty. Could be why you didn't recognize it, if it is.
Perhaps if I had seen the interview I would have a clearer opinion on
him.
Not too bright are you slmeball?
Kermit
.
|
|
|
|
| User: "Rafeek" |
|
| Title: Re: Want a laugh? The new CIA chief - you can't make this stuff up |
14 Aug 2004 01:40:39 AM |
|
|
On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 15:59:09 GMT, "Bill Case" <Billc548@Hotmail.com>
wrote:
"Dave Gower" <davegow.removethis@magma.ca> wrote in message
news:IvSdnXpmp5y7SIHcRVn-vg@magma.ca...
"Bill Case" <Billc548@Hotmail.com> wrote
You missed the point.
No I got the point. I read it in the quote you posted. If you wanted me to
receive another "point" then that should have been the subject of your
quote.
In the used car business this is called "bait and switch". It's a staple
of
slimeballs everywhere.
You slimeball moron.
The guy brings no skills to the office.
He was on the intelligence overview committee over a period of many
intelligence *****-ups - can you figure that out, *****-up?
He is a poltically oriented person, being appointed to a critical
professional position, over an agency needing reform, by a President who has
been using intelligence for political purposes.
Not too bright are you slmeball?
Why not just admit you got caught with your pants down? You're
clearly wrong here. And this is coming from someone who would tend to
sympathize with your position. Sorry.
.
|
|
|
| User: "Bill Case" |
|
| Title: Re: Want a laugh? The new CIA chief - you can't make this stuff up |
14 Aug 2004 10:58:02 AM |
|
|
"Rafeek" <spam@spam.com> wrote in message
news:rtcrh0hr4b219qa8iukr08n2dou7fbhpvq@4ax.com...
On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 15:59:09 GMT, "Bill Case" <Billc548@Hotmail.com>
wrote:
"Dave Gower" <davegow.removethis@magma.ca> wrote in message
news:IvSdnXpmp5y7SIHcRVn-vg@magma.ca...
"Bill Case" <Billc548@Hotmail.com> wrote
You missed the point.
No I got the point. I read it in the quote you posted. If you wanted me
to
receive another "point" then that should have been the subject of your
quote.
In the used car business this is called "bait and switch". It's a
staple
of
slimeballs everywhere.
You slimeball moron.
The guy brings no skills to the office.
He was on the intelligence overview committee over a period of many
intelligence *****-ups - can you figure that out, *****-up?
He is a poltically oriented person, being appointed to a critical
professional position, over an agency needing reform, by a President who
has
been using intelligence for political purposes.
Not too bright are you slmeball?
Why not just admit you got caught with your pants down? You're
clearly wrong here. And this is coming from someone who would tend to
sympathize with your position. Sorry.
*****. Tell me what point I missed or got caught on?
Read the whole original post.
.
|
|
|
| User: "Rafeek" |
|
| Title: Re: Want a laugh? The new CIA chief - you can't make this stuff up |
14 Aug 2004 07:26:29 PM |
|
|
On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 15:58:02 GMT, "Bill Case" <Billc548@Hotmail.com>
wrote:
"Rafeek" <spam@spam.com> wrote in message
news:rtcrh0hr4b219qa8iukr08n2dou7fbhpvq@4ax.com...
On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 15:59:09 GMT, "Bill Case" <Billc548@Hotmail.com>
wrote:
"Dave Gower" <davegow.removethis@magma.ca> wrote in message
news:IvSdnXpmp5y7SIHcRVn-vg@magma.ca...
"Bill Case" <Billc548@Hotmail.com> wrote
You missed the point.
No I got the point. I read it in the quote you posted. If you wanted me
to
receive another "point" then that should have been the subject of your
quote.
In the used car business this is called "bait and switch". It's a
staple
of
slimeballs everywhere.
You slimeball moron.
The guy brings no skills to the office.
He was on the intelligence overview committee over a period of many
intelligence *****-ups - can you figure that out, *****-up?
He is a poltically oriented person, being appointed to a critical
professional position, over an agency needing reform, by a President who
has
been using intelligence for political purposes.
Not too bright are you slmeball?
Why not just admit you got caught with your pants down? You're
clearly wrong here. And this is coming from someone who would tend to
sympathize with your position. Sorry.
*****. Tell me what point I missed or got caught on?
Read the whole original post.
I think perhaps you should read what you posted... maybe you thought
you were posting a different article?
.
|
|
|
| User: "Bill Case" |
|
| Title: Re: Want a laugh? The new CIA chief - you can't make this stuff up |
14 Aug 2004 07:59:29 PM |
|
|
"Rafeek" <spam@spam.com> wrote in message
news:ocbth0toajoak404t0fpm5qsrkg3fv9424@4ax.com...
On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 15:58:02 GMT, "Bill Case" <Billc548@Hotmail.com>
wrote:
"Rafeek" <spam@spam.com> wrote in message
news:rtcrh0hr4b219qa8iukr08n2dou7fbhpvq@4ax.com...
On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 15:59:09 GMT, "Bill Case" <Billc548@Hotmail.com>
wrote:
"Dave Gower" <davegow.removethis@magma.ca> wrote in message
news:IvSdnXpmp5y7SIHcRVn-vg@magma.ca...
"Bill Case" <Billc548@Hotmail.com> wrote
You missed the point.
No I got the point. I read it in the quote you posted. If you wanted
me
to
receive another "point" then that should have been the subject of
your
quote.
In the used car business this is called "bait and switch". It's a
staple
of
slimeballs everywhere.
You slimeball moron.
The guy brings no skills to the office.
He was on the intelligence overview committee over a period of many
intelligence *****-ups - can you figure that out, *****-up?
He is a poltically oriented person, being appointed to a critical
professional position, over an agency needing reform, by a President
who
has
been using intelligence for political purposes.
Not too bright are you slmeball?
Why not just admit you got caught with your pants down? You're
clearly wrong here. And this is coming from someone who would tend to
sympathize with your position. Sorry.
*****. Tell me what point I missed or got caught on?
Read the whole original post.
I think perhaps you should read what you posted... maybe you thought
you were posting a different article?
You're full of *****. Like most Bushies you don't the ability to argue a
point so you waste peoples' time with phony crap.
Go pull your panties up sissy boy, and hit the road.
.
|
|
|
| User: "Rafeek" |
|
| Title: Re: Want a laugh? The new CIA chief - you can't make this stuff up |
14 Aug 2004 09:03:48 PM |
|
|
On Sun, 15 Aug 2004 00:59:29 GMT, "Bill Case" <Billc548@Hotmail.com>
wrote:
You're full of *****. Like most Bushies you don't the ability to argue a
point so you waste peoples' time with phony crap.
HAhahahaa!! Me, a "bushie"? You're funny.
.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
| User: "Igtheist" |
|
| Title: Re: Want a laugh? The new CIA chief - you can't make this stuff up |
21 Aug 2004 04:43:30 PM |
|
|
"Bill Case" <Billc548@Hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<isTSc.19459$cK.14951@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>...
"Dave Gower" <davegow.removethis@magma.ca> wrote in message
news:FYGdnRA2J41XnYHcRVn-ig@magma.ca...
"Bill Case" <Billc548@Hotmail.com> quaoted second-hand
"I couldn't get a job with CIA today. I am not qualified," the Florida
Republican told documentary-maker Michael Moore's production company
during
the filming of the anti-Bush movie "Fahrenheit 9/11."
I don't know Goss from Donald Duck and have no idea what kind of chief
he's
going to be, but this is a completely phoney story. He is saying he's
unqualified to be an operative. But the job he's getting is not an
operative, it's management.
As an example, many senior airline executives are not qualified pilots,
but
so what? That's not what they're paid for.
You missed the point.
The point was in the title: "Filmmaker Moore Quotes Goss on Lack of
CIA Credentials"
Problem with this is that Goss has credentials. He worked for both
military intellgence and CIA. As your own article states: "chairman
of the House of
Representatives Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence".
Sen. Carl Levin of Michigan, the ranking Democrat of the Armed
Services Committee, said he thought Goss was "clearly qualified".
However Levin had reservations because Goss is a Republican. He
wanted someone more qualified. I guess by that he, like you, meant a
Democrat.
Moore told Reuters that Goss, who until Tuesday was chairman of the House
of
Representatives Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, granted an
interview to two of his producers ** without first checking to see who they
worked for**. ;-))) (great, just great)
That's a bizzare conclusion. So he doesn't care who give him and
interview, big deal. Shows he has some character. Unlike some
government officials who will only grant interviews to know softball
throwers like Katie Couric.
"You'd think the person who was the head of the intelligence committee would
ask a few more questions," said Moore.
Why? Apparently he felt there was nothing to hide. I saw the edited
portions of the interview that Moore choose to share and there wasn't
anything embarrassing. Except perhaps if your stupid enough to buy
Moores spin.
"The reality is that Porter Goss was in charge of the oversight of the CIA
during a time when the CIA didn't do its job, which in part resulted in the
loss of lives of 3,000 people," he said via telephone from New York. <<
In that role he was critical of the CIA. Also he was not the author
of one of the main causes of the 9/11 intelligence foul ups. That
would be someone else, a democrat with a proclivity for stuffing
documents down his pants.
The guy is politcal. It's supposed to be a non politcal job.
Oh, please, are you that naive.
Bush has a record of intelligence problems, the biggest being allegations of
polictical manipulation of intel to justify the Iraq war.
His biggest problem is allegations. That sounds horrible. :)
Bush staff outed a CIA agent over poltics, which is a criminal act (Valerie
Plame).
Sorry, nothing really conclusive on that yet. Just an allegation.
One that was denied by the reporter who wrote the story.
Just recently, Bush uncovered a turned al qaeda agent the Pakistanis had
caught in order to get the politcal benefit of some anti-terror fanfare,
tipping the enemy as to what we know, and precluding further al qaeda
apprehensions and probably stopping the Pakis from trusting us with
sensitive information in the future.
No, it turns out that the NYT got that information from the Pakis.
You should keep up with the news if you are going to comment on it.
.
|
|
|
| User: "Bill Case" |
|
| Title: Re: Want a laugh? The new CIA chief - you can't make this stuff up |
21 Aug 2004 04:55:19 PM |
|
|
"Igtheist" <igtheist_N_O_S_P_A_M@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:ec75c602.0408211343.5fbfe909@posting.google.com...
"Bill Case" <Billc548@Hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:<isTSc.19459$cK.14951@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>...
"Dave Gower" <davegow.removethis@magma.ca> wrote in message
news:FYGdnRA2J41XnYHcRVn-ig@magma.ca...
"Bill Case" <Billc548@Hotmail.com> quaoted second-hand
"I couldn't get a job with CIA today. I am not qualified," the
Florida
Republican told documentary-maker Michael Moore's production company
during
the filming of the anti-Bush movie "Fahrenheit 9/11."
I don't know Goss from Donald Duck and have no idea what kind of chief
he's
going to be, but this is a completely phoney story. He is saying he's
unqualified to be an operative. But the job he's getting is not an
operative, it's management.
As an example, many senior airline executives are not qualified
pilots,
but
so what? That's not what they're paid for.
You missed the point.
The point was in the title: "Filmmaker Moore Quotes Goss on Lack of
CIA Credentials"
Problem with this is that Goss has credentials. He worked for both
military intellgence and CIA. As your own article states: "chairman
of the House of
Representatives Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence".
Sen. Carl Levin of Michigan, the ranking Democrat of the Armed
Services Committee, said he thought Goss was "clearly qualified".
However Levin had reservations because Goss is a Republican. He
wanted someone more qualified. I guess by that he, like you, meant a
Democrat.
Moore told Reuters that Goss, who until Tuesday was chairman of the
House
of
Representatives Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, granted an
interview to two of his producers ** without first checking to see who
they
worked for**. ;-))) (great, just great)
That's a bizzare conclusion. So he doesn't care who give him and
interview, big deal. Shows he has some character. Unlike some
government officials who will only grant interviews to know softball
throwers like Katie Couric.
"You'd think the person who was the head of the intelligence committee
would
ask a few more questions," said Moore.
Why? Apparently he felt there was nothing to hide. I saw the edited
portions of the interview that Moore choose to share and there wasn't
anything embarrassing. Except perhaps if your stupid enough to buy
Moores spin.
"The reality is that Porter Goss was in charge of the oversight of the
CIA
during a time when the CIA didn't do its job, which in part resulted in
the
loss of lives of 3,000 people," he said via telephone from New York. <<
In that role he was critical of the CIA. Also he was not the author
of one of the main causes of the 9/11 intelligence foul ups. That
would be someone else, a democrat with a proclivity for stuffing
documents down his pants.
The guy is politcal. It's supposed to be a non politcal job.
Oh, please, are you that naive.
no, you just don't know what you're talkng about.
Bush has a record of intelligence problems, the biggest being
allegations of
polictical manipulation of intel to justify the Iraq war.
His biggest problem is allegations. That sounds horrible. :)
Bush staff outed a CIA agent over poltics, which is a criminal act
(Valerie
Plame).
Sorry, nothing really conclusive on that yet. Just an allegation.
One that was denied by the reporter who wrote the story.
*****.
Just recently, Bush uncovered a turned al qaeda agent the Pakistanis had
caught in order to get the politcal benefit of some anti-terror fanfare,
tipping the enemy as to what we know, and precluding further al qaeda
apprehensions and probably stopping the Pakis from trusting us with
sensitive information in the future.
No, it turns out that the NYT got that information from the Pakis.
You should keep up with the news if you are going to comment on it.
I don't think so, and if you knew what you were talking about you would have
posted a credible source instead of believing cover-up *****.
.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
| User: "duke" |
|
| Title: Re: Want a laugh? The new CIA chief - you can't make this stuff up |
13 Aug 2004 02:19:06 PM |
|
|
On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 00:40:52 GMT, "Bill Case" <Billc548@Hotmail.com> wrote:
Goss is expected to appear at confirmation hearings before the Senate
intelligence committee next month.
It's quite normal to hire a person for their management skills, not their detail knowledge
of the product and which could be a definite detriment. Didn't know that, did you.
.
|
|
|
| User: "Bill Case" |
|
| Title: Re: Want a laugh? The new CIA chief - you can't make this stuff up |
13 Aug 2004 02:26:10 PM |
|
|
"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
news:ot4qh01ei313ud52af4sk4jr6bbolhp3f1@4ax.com...
On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 00:40:52 GMT, "Bill Case" <Billc548@Hotmail.com>
wrote:
Goss is expected to appear at confirmation hearings before the Senate
intelligence committee next month.
It's quite normal to hire a person for their management skills, not their
detail knowledge
of the product and which could be a definite detriment. Didn't know that,
did you.
This is just stupid.
The man has not run anything - he has no executive experience.
The closest he comes to that is being on the House intelligence oversight
committee during a time when the intel agencies were making major failures.
As far as I know, he is not known for trying to instigate reforms or
improvements.
HE IS A POLITCAL APPOINTMENT, at a time the agencies need a professional and
a reformer who will be NON-POLITICAL.
.
|
|
|
| User: "Michael W Cook" |
|
| Title: Re: Want a laugh? The new CIA chief - you can't make this stuff up |
13 Aug 2004 06:00:46 PM |
|
|
On 13/8/04 8:26 pm, in article
mB8Tc.20049$9Y6.12747@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net, "Bill Case"
<Billc548@Hotmail.com> wrote:
"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
news:ot4qh01ei313ud52af4sk4jr6bbolhp3f1@4ax.com...
On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 00:40:52 GMT, "Bill Case" <Billc548@Hotmail.com>
wrote:
Goss is expected to appear at confirmation hearings before the Senate
intelligence committee next month.
It's quite normal to hire a person for their management skills, not their
detail knowledge
of the product and which could be a definite detriment. Didn't know that,
did you.
This is just stupid.
The man has not run anything - he has no executive experience.
The closest he comes to that is being on the House intelligence oversight
committee during a time when the intel agencies were making major failures.
As far as I know, he is not known for trying to instigate reforms or
improvements.
HE IS A POLITCAL APPOINTMENT, at a time the agencies need a professional and
a reformer who will be NON-POLITICAL.
Oh come on......
It goes with the office, just like in the UK.
You ***** up or are part of a team that fucks up - you get promoted.
But the usual form is to wait a year or two beforehand.
But hey, you think you've got problems........
The new head of British Intelligence, John Scarlet, is the man who was
accused by the Hutton enquiry of allowing himself to be manipulated by
Government when he headed the Joint Intelligence Committee.
He's the man who ignored the complaints from his own experts that the
intelligence making the case for war was being overstated, and what the BBC
called being 'Sexed Up'.
Heads rolled at the BBC for making such a statement, even though the later
enquiry found the statement to be correct.
Could have, might have and possibly, became hard evidence.
However, no heads have rolled in Government. only promotions.
We were all conned.
Vote the bastards OUT.
.
|
|
|
|
| User: "duke" |
|
| Title: Re: Want a laugh? The new CIA chief - you can't make this stuff up |
14 Aug 2004 02:40:34 PM |
|
|
On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 19:26:10 GMT, "Bill Case" <Billc548@Hotmail.com> wrote:
It's quite normal to hire a person for their management skills, not their
detail knowledge of the product and which could be a definite detriment. Didn't know that,
did you.
This is just stupid.
Yes you sure are.
The man has not run anything - he has no executive experience.
He's the man what's in complete charge. He doesn't have to go underground. Haven't you
figured that one out yet?
The closest he comes to that is being on the House intelligence oversight
committee during a time when the intel agencies were making major failures.
As far as I know, he is not known for trying to instigate reforms or
improvements.
And so many qualified have commented how he is a great selection. Now who is going to
believe you?
HE IS A POLITCAL APPOINTMENT, at a time the agencies need a professional and
a reformer who will be NON-POLITICAL.
Of course he's a political appointment, and considered a top pick.
Good grief but you don't have any idea what you're talking about.
duke
*****
1 Corinthians 4
15Even though you have ten thousand guardians in
Christ, you do not have many fathers, for in Christ
Jesus I became your father through the gospel.
*****
.
|
|
|
| User: "Bill Case" |
|
| Title: Re: Want a laugh? The new CIA chief - you can't make this stuff up |
14 Aug 2004 03:28:17 PM |
|
|
"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
news:sgqsh0tv4d181fk9q8hg8kr6sad6epntkk@4ax.com...
On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 19:26:10 GMT, "Bill Case" <Billc548@Hotmail.com>
wrote:
It's quite normal to hire a person for their management skills, not
their
detail knowledge of the product and which could be a definite detriment.
Didn't know that,
did you.
This is just stupid.
Yes you sure are.
Well "duck", I think most people would have to put the stupidity right on
you, stupid.
The man has not run anything - he has no executive experience.
He's the man what's in complete charge. He doesn't have to go
underground. Haven't you
figured that one out yet?
Yeah duck, I get it, "He's the man what's in complete charge".
What a fucking moron. Go drool somewhere else.
The closest he comes to that is being on the House intelligence oversight
committee during a time when the intel agencies were making major
failures.
As far as I know, he is not known for trying to instigate reforms or
improvements.
And so many qualified have commented how he is a great selection. Now who
is going to
believe you?
Like who? Bushies who more politization of intelligence? More undercover
agents given away and named in the press.
HE IS A POLITCAL APPOINTMENT, at a time the agencies need a professional
and
a reformer who will be NON-POLITICAL.
Of course he's a political appointment, and considered a top pick.
Good grief but you don't have any idea what you're talking about.
Sure 'duck".
duke
*****
1 Corinthians 4
15Even though you have ten thousand guardians in
Christ, you do not have many fathers, for in Christ
Jesus I became your father through the gospel.
*****
Hey duck, I get it, I see why your so stupid, your a fundy.
.
|
|
|
| User: "duke" |
|
| Title: Re: Want a laugh? The new CIA chief - you can't make this stuff up |
15 Aug 2004 06:10:58 AM |
|
|
On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 20:28:17 GMT, "Bill Case" <Billc548@Hotmail.com> wrote:
Well "duck", I think most people would have to put the stupidity right on
you, stupid.
Yes, but at least I know what I'm talking about. You I can't even comprehend giving such
a compliment.
Yeah duck, I get it, "He's the man what's in complete charge".
What a fucking moron. Go drool somewhere else.
What's the matter - nothing else to repeat due to your lack of own knowledge.
And so many qualified have commented how he is a great selection. Now who
is going to
believe you?
Like who? Bushies who more politization of intelligence? More undercover
agents given away and named in the press.
Even the two 'rat state senators from Florida say he's a great pick.
duke
*****
1 Corinthians 4
15Even though you have ten thousand guardians in
Christ, you do not have many fathers, for in Christ
Jesus I became your father through the gospel.
*****
.
|
|
|
| User: "Bill Case" |
|
| Title: Re: Want a laugh? The new CIA chief - you can't make this stuff up |
15 Aug 2004 10:31:49 AM |
|
|
"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
news:01huh0lhdgf8vgvp247mdlkntt9r45ss8k@4ax.com...
On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 20:28:17 GMT, "Bill Case" <Billc548@Hotmail.com>
wrote:
Well "duck", I think most people would have to put the stupidity right on
you, stupid.
Yes, but at least I know what I'm talking about. You I can't even
comprehend giving such
a compliment.
"You I can't even comprehend giving such a compliment."
Uh huh.
.
|
|
|
| User: "duke" |
|
| Title: Re: Want a laugh? The new CIA chief - you can't make this stuff up |
16 Aug 2004 05:15:55 AM |
|
|
On Sun, 15 Aug 2004 15:31:49 GMT, "Bill Case" <Billc548@Hotmail.com> wrote:
"You I can't even comprehend giving such a compliment."
Uh huh.
Houston - message received, and agreed.
duke
*****
1 Corinthians 4
15Even though you have ten thousand guardians in
Christ, you do not have many fathers, for in Christ
Jesus I became your father through the gospel.
*****
.
|
|
|
| User: "Bill Case" |
|
| Title: Re: Want a laugh? The new CIA chief - you can't make this stuff up |
16 Aug 2004 09:31:34 AM |
|
|
"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
news:d921i0hibaf8bhndnnlb9do8grtj8stqv2@4ax.com...
On Sun, 15 Aug 2004 15:31:49 GMT, "Bill Case" <Billc548@Hotmail.com>
wrote:
"You I can't even comprehend giving such a compliment."
Uh huh.
Houston - message received, and agreed.
Sure Duck,
Duhhhh, drool, duhhhhhh
duke
*****
1 Corinthians 4
15Even though you have ten thousand guardians in
Christ, you do not have many fathers, for in Christ
Jesus I became your father through the gospel.
*****
.
|
|
|
| User: "duke" |
|
| Title: Re: Want a laugh? The new CIA chief - you can't make this stuff up |
18 Aug 2004 05:22:05 AM |
|
|
On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 14:31:34 GMT, "Bill Case" <Billc548@Hotmail.com> wrote:
"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
news:d921i0hibaf8bhndnnlb9do8grtj8stqv2@4ax.com...
On Sun, 15 Aug 2004 15:31:49 GMT, "Bill Case" <Billc548@Hotmail.com>
wrote:
"You I can't even comprehend giving such a compliment."
Uh huh.
Houston - message received, and agreed.
Sure Duck,
Duhhhh, drool, duhhhhhh
Haahaahaahaahaahaa.
duke
*****
1 Corinthians 4
15Even though you have ten thousand guardians in
Christ, you do not have many fathers, for in Christ
Jesus I became your father through the gospel.
*****
.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
| User: "Righteous Dan" |
|
| Title: Re: Want a laugh? The new CIA chief - you can't make this stuff up |
12 Aug 2004 09:24:06 PM |
|
|
The "Only" laugh in this article is: The "Idiot(s)" that would believe
anything coming from Michael Moore is true....
"Bill Case" <Billc548@Hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:o0zSc.18010$9Y6.7039@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
Bush wants Goss because he's just as stupid and subject to political
manipulation as Dumbya hisself. This is pretty funny,,, read on
Filmmaker Moore Quotes Goss on Lack of CIA Credentials
Reuters Wed Aug 11, 2004 06:40 PM ET
By David Morgan
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. Congressman Porter Goss, President Bush's
nominee for CIA director, could be his own worst enemy when it comes to
making the case that he deserves to lead the U.S. intelligence agency.
"I couldn't get a job with CIA today. I am not qualified," the Florida
Republican told documentary-maker Michael Moore's production company
during
the filming of the anti-Bush movie "Fahrenheit 9/11."
A day after Bush picked Goss for the top U.S. spy job, Moore on Wednesday
released an excerpt from a March 3 interview in which the 65-year-old
former
House of Representatives intelligence chief recounts his lack of
qualifications for employment as a modern CIA staffer.
"I don't have the language skills. I, you know, my language skills were
romance languages and stuff. We're looking for Arabists today. I don't
have
the cultural background probably," Goss is quoted in an interview
transcript.
"And I certainly don't have the technical skills, uh, as my children
remind
me every day: 'Dad you got to get better on your computer.' Uh, so, the
things that you need to have, I don't have."
Goss, who served with the CIA clandestine services in Latin America and
Europe in the 1960s, was not immediately available for comment.
He appears in Moore's film, the most financially successful documentary in
history, during a segment devoted to the USA Patriot Act, an
anti-terrorism
measure.
Moore told Reuters that Goss, who until Tuesday was chairman of the House
of
Representatives Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, granted an
interview to two of his producers ** without first checking to see who
they
worked for**. ;-))) (great, just great)
"You'd think the person who was the head of the intelligence committee
would
ask a few more questions," said Moore.
"The reality is that Porter Goss was in charge of the oversight of the CIA
during a time when the CIA didn't do its job, which in part resulted in
the
loss of lives of 3,000 people," he said via telephone from New York.
A White House spokesman declined to comment specifically on the Goss
interview but described the lawmaker as "the most qualified man for the
job."
Goss is expected to appear at confirmation hearings before the Senate
intelligence committee next month.
.
|
|
|
| User: "Dave Gower" |
|
| Title: Re: Want a laugh? The new CIA chief - you can't make this stuff up |
13 Aug 2004 10:10:58 AM |
|
|
"Righteous Dan" <danrodgick@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:pY6dnRYvnrHSu4HcRVn-uw@comcast.com...
The "Only" laugh in this article is: The "Idiot(s)" that would believe
anything coming from Michael Moore is true....
At least Michael Moore makes no bones about his views, which is fair enough.
But what bothers me (as a Canadian and therefore an interested observer of
the U.S. political scene) is how many people are mistaking his entertainment
for fact. One example - Bush's quote on the golf course about terrorism and
then going back to his game. That's obviously intended to convey a message
of irresponsibility or worse. But the show of studied nonchalance during a
crisis is an old tactic of psychological warfare. Kennedy went sailing
during the Cuban Missile Crisis. Nixon disappeared from view during the
bombing of Hanoi. Other examples are Eisenhower at end of the Korean War,
Bush 1 during Gulf War 1. It's carefully crafted by advisors and says
nothing about the current President's personality.
If Moore wants to be more than an entertainer he needs to increase his
honesty level.
.
|
|
|
| User: "Bill Case" |
|
| Title: Re: Want a laugh? The new CIA chief - you can't make this stuff up |
13 Aug 2004 11:08:36 AM |
|
|
"Dave Gower" <davegow.removethis@magma.ca> wrote in message
news:sbGdnX22i-iaR4HcRVn-hw@magma.ca...
"Righteous Dan" <danrodgick@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:pY6dnRYvnrHSu4HcRVn-uw@comcast.com...
The "Only" laugh in this article is: The "Idiot(s)" that would believe
anything coming from Michael Moore is true....
At least Michael Moore makes no bones about his views, which is fair
enough.
But what bothers me (as a Canadian and therefore an interested observer of
the U.S. political scene) is how many people are mistaking his
entertainment
for fact.
Dumbass,
Everybody knows Moore is way left, and a crititic of the right.
However, most of his film is fact based, and indeed makes its points via
FILMED RESPONSES that are plain for the viewer to see. There has been little
successful refutation of the points made in his film.
ne example - Bush's quote on the golf course about terrorism and
then going back to his game. That's obviously intended to convey a message
of irresponsibility or worse. But the show of studied nonchalance during a
crisis is an old tactic of psychological warfare. Kennedy went sailing
during the Cuban Missile Crisis. Nixon disappeared from view during the
bombing of Hanoi. Other examples are Eisenhower at end of the Korean War,
Bush 1 during Gulf War 1. It's carefully crafted by advisors and says
nothing about the current President's personality.
Interested readers can take a look at this link with its Bush bio and come
to their own conclusions about whether Moore's film is unfair in its
depiction of of Dumbya
http://www.independent-media.tv/itemprint.cfm?fmedia_id=7073&fcategory_desc=Under%20Reported
.
|
|
|
| User: "Dave Gower" |
|
| Title: Re: Want a laugh? The new CIA chief - you can't make this stuff up |
14 Aug 2004 12:17:50 AM |
|
|
"Bill Case" <Billc548@Hotmail.com> wrote
... There has been little successful refutation of the points made in his
film.
There's been lots and I just gave one which you avoid responding too,
because you can't. That's what happens when you cross-post to a military
history newsgroup.
I'm not a Bush supporter particularly (I think Kerry would make a better
world leader) but I sure am not impressed with Michael Moore as a social
commentator.
.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Related Articles |
|
|
