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"kathryn" |
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28 Dec 2004 12:32:33 PM |
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warm fuzzy christians |
....HAH! yeah right.
caught the following on yahoo...
http://tinyurl.com/4xtn9
basically a bunch of christian university students are pissed that the
Arizon state university won't fund their group and plan to take them to
court for discrimination.
However they want to be able to exclude non christians and gay people from
the club....
The hipocrisy is totally astounding although not unusual...
Kathryn
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| User: "DianaC" |
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| Title: Re: warm fuzzy christians |
28 Dec 2004 04:54:09 PM |
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"kathryn" <bob@bob.com> wrote in message
news:cqs8s1$m8g$1@titan.btinternet.com...
...HAH! yeah right.
caught the following on yahoo...
http://tinyurl.com/4xtn9
basically a bunch of christian university students are pissed that the
Arizon state university won't fund their group and plan to take them to
court for discrimination.
However they want to be able to exclude non christians and gay people from
the club....
The hipocrisy is totally astounding although not unusual...
Wow. A Christian club with the requirement that members need to be Christian
and abide by the standards set by the club.
You may not like the idea of Christian groups that exclude non-Christians
and gays, but then hey, I don't like the fact that I can't nominate, second,
or vote for quotes of the month in this group, either. Yet you have no
problem with that, do you?
Hey. I wonder...could I sue for discrimination here? I mean, you guys are
discriminating against me because of my religion! What sort of "hipocrisy"
is this, that a group exists that excludes me because of my religion,
anyway?
.....and yes, that's irony bordering (OK, crossing the line into) sarcasm.
Thought I'd better point that out in case Kathryn didn't get it....
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| User: "Martin Crisp" |
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28 Dec 2004 07:03:19 PM |
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On Dec 29, 2004, DianaC sent message
<lulAd.13307$2X6.8281@trnddc07>, which allegedly said:
"kathryn" <bob@bob.com> wrote in message
news:cqs8s1$m8g$1@titan.btinternet.com...
...HAH! yeah right.
caught the following on yahoo...
http://tinyurl.com/4xtn9
basically a bunch of christian university students are pissed that the
Arizon state university won't fund their group and plan to take them to
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
court for discrimination.
However they want to be able to exclude non christians and gay people from
the club....
The hipocrisy is totally astounding although not unusual...
Wow. A Christian club with the requirement that members need to be Christian
and abide by the standards set by the club.
You seem to have forgotten a key component of the original.
Your argument (sarcasm or not) fails as a result of that slip.
[snip]
Have Fun
Martin
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| User: "DianaC" |
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| Title: Re: warm fuzzy christians |
28 Dec 2004 07:31:43 PM |
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"Martin Crisp" <Spam.Bucket@tesseract.com.au> wrote in message
news:0001HW.BDF84D8703C03B4AF02845B0@news.ozemail.com.au...
On Dec 29, 2004, DianaC sent message
<lulAd.13307$2X6.8281@trnddc07>, which allegedly said:
"kathryn" <bob@bob.com> wrote in message
news:cqs8s1$m8g$1@titan.btinternet.com...
...HAH! yeah right.
caught the following on yahoo...
http://tinyurl.com/4xtn9
basically a bunch of christian university students are pissed that the
Arizon state university won't fund their group and plan to take them to
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
court for discrimination.
However they want to be able to exclude non christians and gay people
from
the club....
The hipocrisy is totally astounding although not unusual...
Wow. A Christian club with the requirement that members need to be
Christian
and abide by the standards set by the club.
You seem to have forgotten a key component of the original.
Your argument (sarcasm or not) fails as a result of that slip.
[snip]
Nope, didn't forget. The same argument applies; if the university funds ANY
clubs or organizations that restrict membership in any way, then they cannot
refuse to fund Christian clubs simply because they restrict membership to
Christians..and exclude gays.
.....and I know of no university that does NOT fund such groups.
Fraternities. Sororities. Chess clubs. Sports teams. Cheerleading
organizations. Stamp collecting clubs. Gay and Lesbian support groups. You
name it, they get funding...and if they do, then they have a problem
refusing Christian groups.
Or rather, they should have.
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| User: "Martin Crisp" |
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28 Dec 2004 11:18:11 PM |
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On Dec 29, 2004, DianaC sent message
<3OnAd.9190$hc7.1365@trnddc06>, which allegedly said:
"Martin Crisp" <Spam.Bucket@tesseract.com.au> wrote in message
news:0001HW.BDF84D8703C03B4AF02845B0@news.ozemail.com.au...
On Dec 29, 2004, DianaC sent message
<lulAd.13307$2X6.8281@trnddc07>, which allegedly said:
"kathryn" <bob@bob.com> wrote in message
news:cqs8s1$m8g$1@titan.btinternet.com...
...HAH! yeah right.
caught the following on yahoo...
http://tinyurl.com/4xtn9
basically a bunch of christian university students are pissed that the
Arizon state university won't fund their group and plan to take them to
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
court for discrimination.
However they want to be able to exclude non christians and gay people
from
the club....
The hipocrisy is totally astounding although not unusual...
Wow. A Christian club with the requirement that members need to be
Christian
and abide by the standards set by the club.
You seem to have forgotten a key component of the original.
Your argument (sarcasm or not) fails as a result of that slip.
[snip]
Nope, didn't forget. The same argument applies; if the university funds ANY
clubs or organizations that restrict membership in any way, then they cannot
refuse to fund Christian clubs simply because they restrict membership to
Christians..and exclude gays.
All clubs and organisations restrict membership, dilberry.
That's what sets them apart from every other club or organisation:
the requirements for, and of the, membership.
How many other _religious_ groups does ASU fund?
How many other groups does ASU fund that restrict membership based
on religious belief & sexual preference?
Have Fun
Martin
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| User: "DianaC" |
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29 Dec 2004 12:27:11 AM |
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"Martin Crisp" <Spam.Bucket@tesseract.com.au> wrote in message
news:0001HW.BDF889430004E1D0F02845B0@news.ozemail.com.au...
On Dec 29, 2004, DianaC sent message
<3OnAd.9190$hc7.1365@trnddc06>, which allegedly said:
"Martin Crisp" <Spam.Bucket@tesseract.com.au> wrote in message
news:0001HW.BDF84D8703C03B4AF02845B0@news.ozemail.com.au...
On Dec 29, 2004, DianaC sent message
<lulAd.13307$2X6.8281@trnddc07>, which allegedly said:
"kathryn" <bob@bob.com> wrote in message
news:cqs8s1$m8g$1@titan.btinternet.com...
...HAH! yeah right.
caught the following on yahoo...
http://tinyurl.com/4xtn9
basically a bunch of christian university students are pissed that the
Arizon state university won't fund their group and plan to take them
to
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
court for discrimination.
However they want to be able to exclude non christians and gay people
from
the club....
The hipocrisy is totally astounding although not unusual...
Wow. A Christian club with the requirement that members need to be
Christian
and abide by the standards set by the club.
You seem to have forgotten a key component of the original.
Your argument (sarcasm or not) fails as a result of that slip.
[snip]
Nope, didn't forget. The same argument applies; if the university funds
ANY
clubs or organizations that restrict membership in any way, then they
cannot
refuse to fund Christian clubs simply because they restrict membership to
Christians..and exclude gays.
All clubs and organisations restrict membership, dilberry.
How about that.
That's what sets them apart from every other club or organisation:
the requirements for, and of the, membership.
Duh...
How many other _religious_ groups does ASU fund?
How many other groups does ASU fund that restrict membership based
on religious belief & sexual preference?
Does it MATTER? However, it's highly probable that they do fund other
religious groups.
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| User: "Martin Crisp" |
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| Title: Re: warm fuzzy christians |
29 Dec 2004 05:01:25 AM |
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On Dec 29, 2004, DianaC sent message
<37sAd.19696$_62.14822@trnddc01>, which allegedly said:
"Martin Crisp" <Spam.Bucket@tesseract.com.au> wrote in message
news:0001HW.BDF889430004E1D0F02845B0@news.ozemail.com.au...
On Dec 29, 2004, DianaC sent message
<3OnAd.9190$hc7.1365@trnddc06>, which allegedly said:
"Martin Crisp" <Spam.Bucket@tesseract.com.au> wrote in message
news:0001HW.BDF84D8703C03B4AF02845B0@news.ozemail.com.au...
On Dec 29, 2004, DianaC sent message
<lulAd.13307$2X6.8281@trnddc07>, which allegedly said:
"kathryn" <bob@bob.com> wrote in message
news:cqs8s1$m8g$1@titan.btinternet.com...
...HAH! yeah right.
caught the following on yahoo...
http://tinyurl.com/4xtn9
basically a bunch of christian university students are pissed that the
Arizon state university won't fund their group and plan to take them
to
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
court for discrimination.
However they want to be able to exclude non christians and gay people
from
the club....
The hipocrisy is totally astounding although not unusual...
Wow. A Christian club with the requirement that members need to be
Christian
and abide by the standards set by the club.
You seem to have forgotten a key component of the original.
Your argument (sarcasm or not) fails as a result of that slip.
[snip]
Nope, didn't forget. The same argument applies; if the university funds
ANY
clubs or organizations that restrict membership in any way, then they
cannot
refuse to fund Christian clubs simply because they restrict membership to
Christians..and exclude gays.
All clubs and organisations restrict membership, dilberry.
How about that.
Indeed, it's obvious, so why the act above?
Just another lying Christian in alt.atheism?
That's what sets them apart from every other club or organisation:
the requirements for, and of the, membership.
Duh...
How many other _religious_ groups does ASU fund?
How many other groups does ASU fund that restrict membership based
on religious belief & sexual preference?
Does it MATTER? However, it's highly probable that they do fund other
religious groups.
Yes, it does matter, as I understand US law (admittedly poorly,
since I have no need of it on a day-to-day basis). So, since you
don't have a ready answer, shouldn't you be reserving judgement
(you know, that thing your nail-up boy said about not judging)
until you do have the necessary information (at least)?
Have Fun
Martin
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| User: "DianaC" |
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30 Dec 2004 12:37:07 AM |
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"Martin Crisp" <Spam.Bucket@tesseract.com.au> wrote in message
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<snip to>>
Yes, it does matter, as I understand US law (admittedly poorly,
since I have no need of it on a day-to-day basis). So, since you
don't have a ready answer, shouldn't you be reserving judgement
(you know, that thing your nail-up boy said about not judging)
until you do have the necessary information (at least)?
If any of us did that, there wouldn't be a newsgroup.
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| User: "Martin Crisp" |
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30 Dec 2004 06:56:01 AM |
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On Dec 30, 2004, DianaC sent message
<nmNAd.9407$hc7.8821@trnddc06>, which allegedly said:
"Martin Crisp" <Spam.Bucket@tesseract.com.au> wrote in message
news:0001HW.BDF8D9B50017BC99F02845B0@news.ozemail.com.au...
<snip to>>
Yes, it does matter, as I understand US law (admittedly poorly,
since I have no need of it on a day-to-day basis). So, since you
don't have a ready answer, shouldn't you be reserving judgement
(you know, that thing your nail-up boy said about not judging)
until you do have the necessary information (at least)?
If any of us did that, there wouldn't be a newsgroup.
Heh, non sequitur. This newsgroup is not funded by the US
government while prejudicing another.
You have other groups in which you can speak your babble and
pretend it makes sense; and where it is on topic. There is no equal
rights issue here. If you don't like the way the group dynamic
works 'in' here, simply ***** off.
Have Fun
Martin
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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29 Dec 2004 02:03:32 AM |
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On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 01:31:43 GMT, "DianaC"
<dianaiad@vernoyoudontizon.net> drained his beer, leaned back in the
alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly proclaimed the following
Nope, didn't forget. The same argument applies; if the university funds ANY
clubs or organizations that restrict membership in any way, then they cannot
refuse to fund Christian clubs simply because they restrict membership to
Christians..and exclude gays.
When I was at ASU, the university required any organization that
recieved SU funds to accept all students who requested membership.
Many groups decided to forgo univeristy support in favor of
controlling their membership.
....and I know of no university that does NOT fund such groups.
Fraternities. Sororities. Chess clubs. Sports teams. Cheerleading
organizations. Stamp collecting clubs. Gay and Lesbian support groups. You
name it, they get funding...and if they do, then they have a problem
refusing Christian groups.
Greeks *pay* to exist on campus. Sports teams are not student
organizations, but rather university functions. And if the other
groups you mention get funds from the ASU student union, they have to
follow the rules. I know the RPG club did back in the early ninties.
--
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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| User: "Specter133" |
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28 Dec 2004 05:17:51 PM |
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On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 22:54:09 GMT, "DianaC"
<dianaiad@vernoyoudontizon.net> wrote:
"kathryn" <bob@bob.com> wrote in message
news:cqs8s1$m8g$1@titan.btinternet.com...
...HAH! yeah right.
caught the following on yahoo...
http://tinyurl.com/4xtn9
basically a bunch of christian university students are pissed that the
Arizon state university won't fund their group and plan to take them to
court for discrimination.
However they want to be able to exclude non christians and gay people from
the club....
The hipocrisy is totally astounding although not unusual...
Wow. A Christian club with the requirement that members need to be Christian
and abide by the standards set by the club.
You may not like the idea of Christian groups that exclude non-Christians
and gays, but then hey, I don't like the fact that I can't nominate, second,
or vote for quotes of the month in this group, either. Yet you have no
problem with that, do you?
Hey. I wonder...could I sue for discrimination here? I mean, you guys are
discriminating against me because of my religion! What sort of "hipocrisy"
is this, that a group exists that excludes me because of my religion,
anyway?
....and yes, that's irony bordering (OK, crossing the line into) sarcasm.
Thought I'd better point that out in case Kathryn didn't get it....
Standing ovation for that, DianaC!
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: warm fuzzy christians |
28 Dec 2004 09:02:22 PM |
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In our last episode <pbq3t0t4ni4ti09nls1fc2mh9suf0q7qr0@4ax.com>,
Specter133 lept out of the bushes shouting:
On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 22:54:09 GMT, "DianaC" <dianaiad@vernoyoudontizon.net>
wrote:
"kathryn" <bob@bob.com> wrote in message
news:cqs8s1$m8g$1@titan.btinternet.com...
...HAH! yeah right.
caught the following on yahoo...
http://tinyurl.com/4xtn9
basically a bunch of christian university students are pissed that the
Arizon state university won't fund their group and plan to take them to
court for discrimination.
However they want to be able to exclude non christians and gay people
from the club....
The hipocrisy is totally astounding although not unusual...
Wow. A Christian club with the requirement that members need to be
Christian and abide by the standards set by the club.
You may not like the idea of Christian groups that exclude non-Christians
and gays, but then hey, I don't like the fact that I can't nominate,
second, or vote for quotes of the month in this group, either. Yet you
have no problem with that, do you?
Hey. I wonder...could I sue for discrimination here? I mean, you guys are
discriminating against me because of my religion! What sort of
"hipocrisy" is this, that a group exists that excludes me because of my
religion, anyway?
....and yes, that's irony bordering (OK, crossing the line into) sarcasm.
Thought I'd better point that out in case Kathryn didn't get it....
Standing ovation for that, DianaC!
Uh huh. "Give us your money but you can't join."
Ah Christians...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Being surprised at the fact that the universe
is fine tuned for life is akin to a puddle being
surprised at how well it fits its hole"
-- Douglas Adams
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| User: "DianaC" |
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30 Dec 2004 12:35:58 AM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:kqadnXjaAoXQgE_cRVn-3g@megapath.net...
In our last episode <pbq3t0t4ni4ti09nls1fc2mh9suf0q7qr0@4ax.com>,
Specter133 lept out of the bushes shouting:
On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 22:54:09 GMT, "DianaC"
<dianaiad@vernoyoudontizon.net>
wrote:
"kathryn" <bob@bob.com> wrote in message
news:cqs8s1$m8g$1@titan.btinternet.com...
...HAH! yeah right.
caught the following on yahoo...
http://tinyurl.com/4xtn9
basically a bunch of christian university students are pissed that the
Arizon state university won't fund their group and plan to take them to
court for discrimination.
However they want to be able to exclude non christians and gay people
from the club....
The hipocrisy is totally astounding although not unusual...
Wow. A Christian club with the requirement that members need to be
Christian and abide by the standards set by the club.
You may not like the idea of Christian groups that exclude non-Christians
and gays, but then hey, I don't like the fact that I can't nominate,
second, or vote for quotes of the month in this group, either. Yet you
have no problem with that, do you?
Hey. I wonder...could I sue for discrimination here? I mean, you guys are
discriminating against me because of my religion! What sort of
"hipocrisy" is this, that a group exists that excludes me because of my
religion, anyway?
....and yes, that's irony bordering (OK, crossing the line into) sarcasm.
Thought I'd better point that out in case Kathryn didn't get it....
Standing ovation for that, DianaC!
Uh huh. "Give us your money but you can't join."
Ah Christians...
Ah, well then, if that's the way things should be, I want to be a UCLA
cheerleader.
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| User: "Tak" |
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29 Dec 2004 08:03:32 AM |
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On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 22:54:09 GMT, "DianaC"
<dianaiad@vernoyoudontizon.net> wrote:
You may not like the idea of Christian groups that exclude non-Christians
and gays
THey can exist they just cant extort money from the people they
discriminate against.
They can pay for hate out of their own pocket. Then they can have a
bigot club. If school fuding pays for i,t ALL students have to be
welcome because school funding caomes from TUITION.
Tak
a#344
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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28 Dec 2004 09:00:49 PM |
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In our last episode <cqs8s1$m8g$1@titan.btinternet.com>, kathryn lept out
of the bushes shouting:
...HAH! yeah right.
caught the following on yahoo...
http://tinyurl.com/4xtn9
basically a bunch of christian university students are pissed that the
Arizon state university won't fund their group and plan to take them to
court for discrimination.
However they want to be able to exclude non christians and gay people from
the club....
The hipocrisy is totally astounding although not unusual...
I love "we want our private club but your money."
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Being surprised at the fact that the universe
is fine tuned for life is akin to a puddle being
surprised at how well it fits its hole"
-- Douglas Adams
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| User: "Specter133" |
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28 Dec 2004 03:34:58 PM |
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On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 18:32:33 +0000 (UTC), "kathryn" <bob@bob.com>
wrote:
...HAH! yeah right.
caught the following on yahoo...
http://tinyurl.com/4xtn9
basically a bunch of christian university students are pissed that the
Arizon state university won't fund their group and plan to take them to
court for discrimination.
So in your view christians should not be able to group for christians?
This situation has occured before, by the way, at the U. of North
Carolina at Chapel Hill. You can research the outcome on google if you
want.
However they want to be able to exclude non christians and gay people from
the club....
The hipocrisy is totally astounding although not unusual...
Where does the "hipocrisy" come in here?
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| User: "kathryn" |
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29 Dec 2004 01:43:00 PM |
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"Specter133" <specter@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:v7k3t0dd0rm9u7h3bqhahl4t6kcv951mp5@4ax.com...
On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 18:32:33 +0000 (UTC), "kathryn" <bob@bob.com>
wrote:
...HAH! yeah right.
caught the following on yahoo...
http://tinyurl.com/4xtn9
basically a bunch of christian university students are pissed that the
Arizon state university won't fund their group and plan to take them to
court for discrimination.
So in your view christians should not be able to group for christians?
This situation has occured before, by the way, at the U. of North
Carolina at Chapel Hill. You can research the outcome on google if you
want.
However they want to be able to exclude non christians and gay people from
the club....
The hipocrisy is totally astounding although not unusual...
Where does the "hipocrisy" come in here?
Are you kidding?
Saying you're being discrimated against for not being allowed to discrimate
isn't hypocritical to you?
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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28 Dec 2004 09:03:43 PM |
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In our last episode <v7k3t0dd0rm9u7h3bqhahl4t6kcv951mp5@4ax.com>,
Specter133 lept out of the bushes shouting:
On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 18:32:33 +0000 (UTC), "kathryn" <bob@bob.com> wrote:
...HAH! yeah right.
caught the following on yahoo...
http://tinyurl.com/4xtn9
basically a bunch of christian university students are pissed that the
Arizon state university won't fund their group and plan to take them to
court for discrimination.
So in your view christians should not be able to group for christians?
This situation has occured before, by the way, at the U. of North Carolina
at Chapel Hill. You can research the outcome on google if you want.
However they want to be able to exclude non christians and gay people
from the club....
The hipocrisy is totally astounding although not unusual...
Where does the "hipocrisy" come in here?
They want public funds but want to be able to be exclusionary.
Campus organizations that take public funding are prohibited from
being exclusionary. This club appears to want a "right" no one *else can
have...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Being surprised at the fact that the universe
is fine tuned for life is akin to a puddle being
surprised at how well it fits its hole"
-- Douglas Adams
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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29 Dec 2004 01:58:22 AM |
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On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 16:34:58 -0500, Specter133 <specter@hotmail.com>
drained his beer, leaned back in the alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly
proclaimed the following
So in your view christians should not be able to group for christians?
They are free to gather as they like.
However, if they want school funding, they have to follow the school
rules.
But I guess Christians want special rights.
--
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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| User: "MarkA" |
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| Title: Re: warm fuzzy christians |
28 Dec 2004 04:40:27 PM |
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On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 16:34:58 -0500, Specter133 wrote:
On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 18:32:33 +0000 (UTC), "kathryn" <bob@bob.com> wrote:
...HAH! yeah right.
caught the following on yahoo...
http://tinyurl.com/4xtn9
basically a bunch of christian university students are pissed that the
Arizon state university won't fund their group and plan to take them to
court for discrimination.
So in your view christians should not be able to group for christians?
Of course christians can form christian groups. They just cannot exclude
non-christians if they expect to receive taxpayer funding.
This situation has occured before, by the way, at the U. of North
Carolina at Chapel Hill. You can research the outcome on google if you
want.
However they want to be able to exclude non christians and gay people
from the club....
The hipocrisy is totally astounding although not unusual...
Where does the "hipocrisy" come in here?
For one thing, it homosexuals formed a club that forbade Christians from
joining, the Christians would certainly (and appropriately) be upset.
--
MarkA
(still caught in the maze of twisty little passages, all different)
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| User: "DianaC" |
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| Title: Re: warm fuzzy christians |
28 Dec 2004 06:53:03 PM |
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"MarkA" <manthony@stopspam.net> wrote in message
news:pan.2004.12.28.22.41.04.475663@stopspam.net...
On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 16:34:58 -0500, Specter133 wrote:
On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 18:32:33 +0000 (UTC), "kathryn" <bob@bob.com> wrote:
...HAH! yeah right.
caught the following on yahoo...
http://tinyurl.com/4xtn9
basically a bunch of christian university students are pissed that the
Arizon state university won't fund their group and plan to take them to
court for discrimination.
So in your view christians should not be able to group for christians?
Of course christians can form christian groups. They just cannot exclude
non-christians if they expect to receive taxpayer funding.
Nope. Doesn't work. If the taxpayers fund any exclusionary groups, they
can't refuse to fund Christian groups because they exclude non-Christians.
And unfortunately, we taxpayers do fund exclusionary groups. (sigh)
This situation has occured before, by the way, at the U. of North
Carolina at Chapel Hill. You can research the outcome on google if you
want.
However they want to be able to exclude non christians and gay people
from the club....
The hipocrisy is totally astounding although not unusual...
Where does the "hipocrisy" come in here?
For one thing, it homosexuals formed a club that forbade Christians from
joining, the Christians would certainly (and appropriately) be upset.
I doubt that very much.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: warm fuzzy christians |
28 Dec 2004 09:04:28 PM |
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In our last episode <pan.2004.12.28.22.41.04.475663@stopspam.net>, MarkA
lept out of the bushes shouting:
On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 16:34:58 -0500, Specter133 wrote:
On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 18:32:33 +0000 (UTC), "kathryn" <bob@bob.com> wrote:
...HAH! yeah right.
caught the following on yahoo...
http://tinyurl.com/4xtn9
basically a bunch of christian university students are pissed that the
Arizon state university won't fund their group and plan to take them to
court for discrimination.
So in your view christians should not be able to group for christians?
Of course christians can form christian groups. They just cannot exclude
non-christians if they expect to receive taxpayer funding.
This situation has occured before, by the way, at the U. of North
Carolina at Chapel Hill. You can research the outcome on google if you
want.
However they want to be able to exclude non christians and gay people
from the club....
The hipocrisy is totally astounding although not unusual...
Where does the "hipocrisy" come in here?
For one thing, it homosexuals formed a club that forbade Christians from
joining, the Christians would certainly (and appropriately) be upset.
And the club would not be given University funds. No exclusionary club can
have University funding. As usual, Christians believe they should have
rights nobody else can have...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Being surprised at the fact that the universe
is fine tuned for life is akin to a puddle being
surprised at how well it fits its hole"
-- Douglas Adams
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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| Title: Re: warm fuzzy christians |
28 Dec 2004 09:11:35 PM |
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On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 21:04:28 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In our last episode <pan.2004.12.28.22.41.04.475663@stopspam.net>, MarkA
lept out of the bushes shouting:
On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 16:34:58 -0500, Specter133 wrote:
On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 18:32:33 +0000 (UTC), "kathryn" <bob@bob.com> wrote:
...HAH! yeah right.
caught the following on yahoo...
http://tinyurl.com/4xtn9
basically a bunch of christian university students are pissed that the
Arizon state university won't fund their group and plan to take them to
court for discrimination.
So in your view christians should not be able to group for christians?
Of course christians can form christian groups. They just cannot exclude
non-christians if they expect to receive taxpayer funding.
This situation has occured before, by the way, at the U. of North
Carolina at Chapel Hill. You can research the outcome on google if you
want.
However they want to be able to exclude non christians and gay people
from the club....
The hipocrisy is totally astounding although not unusual...
Where does the "hipocrisy" come in here?
For one thing, it homosexuals formed a club that forbade Christians from
joining, the Christians would certainly (and appropriately) be upset.
And the club would not be given University funds. No exclusionary club can
have University funding. As usual, Christians believe they should have
rights nobody else can have...
Actually in many places if they tried to start such a group, the
university wouldn't like it, so in order to prevent it they had to
stop all the other clubs including the Christian ones. Because it was
the only legal way.
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| User: "Specter133" |
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| Title: Re: warm fuzzy christians |
28 Dec 2004 05:16:24 PM |
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On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 22:40:27 GMT, MarkA <manthony@stopspam.net> wrote:
On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 16:34:58 -0500, Specter133 wrote:
On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 18:32:33 +0000 (UTC), "kathryn" <bob@bob.com> wrote:
...HAH! yeah right.
caught the following on yahoo...
http://tinyurl.com/4xtn9
basically a bunch of christian university students are pissed that the
Arizon state university won't fund their group and plan to take them to
court for discrimination.
So in your view christians should not be able to group for christians?
Of course christians can form christian groups. They just cannot exclude
non-christians if they expect to receive taxpayer funding.
It's not quite so pat as you would like.
http://www.thefire.org/pdfs/4971_3410.pdf
This situation has occured before, by the way, at the U. of North
Carolina at Chapel Hill. You can research the outcome on google if you
want.
However they want to be able to exclude non christians and gay people
from the club....
The hipocrisy is totally astounding although not unusual...
Where does the "hipocrisy" come in here?
For one thing, it homosexuals formed a club that forbade Christians from
joining, the Christians would certainly (and appropriately) be upset.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: warm fuzzy christians |
28 Dec 2004 09:10:40 PM |
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In our last episode <i8q3t0pln757e7dd6ttan74gtbmdbdmhcp@4ax.com>,
Specter133 lept out of the bushes shouting:
On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 22:40:27 GMT, MarkA <manthony@stopspam.net> wrote:
On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 16:34:58 -0500, Specter133 wrote:
On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 18:32:33 +0000 (UTC), "kathryn" <bob@bob.com>
wrote:
...HAH! yeah right.
caught the following on yahoo...
http://tinyurl.com/4xtn9
basically a bunch of christian university students are pissed that the
Arizon state university won't fund their group and plan to take them to
court for discrimination.
So in your view christians should not be able to group for christians?
Of course christians can form christian groups. They just cannot exclude
non-christians if they expect to receive taxpayer funding.
It's not quite so pat as you would like.
http://www.thefire.org/pdfs/4971_3410.pdf
What part of "if you want public funds, you have to follow the rules" is
so hard for you people to grasp?
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
-----------------------------------------------------------
"Being surprised at the fact that the universe
is fine tuned for life is akin to a puddle being
surprised at how well it fits its hole"
-- Douglas Adams
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: warm fuzzy christians |
29 Dec 2004 04:52:33 PM |
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On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 21:10:40 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In our last episode <i8q3t0pln757e7dd6ttan74gtbmdbdmhcp@4ax.com>,
Specter133 lept out of the bushes shouting:
On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 22:40:27 GMT, MarkA <manthony@stopspam.net> wrote:
On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 16:34:58 -0500, Specter133 wrote:
On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 18:32:33 +0000 (UTC), "kathryn" <bob@bob.com>
wrote:
...HAH! yeah right.
caught the following on yahoo...
http://tinyurl.com/4xtn9
basically a bunch of christian university students are pissed that the
Arizon state university won't fund their group and plan to take them to
court for discrimination.
So in your view christians should not be able to group for christians?
Of course christians can form christian groups. They just cannot exclude
non-christians if they expect to receive taxpayer funding.
It's not quite so pat as you would like.
http://www.thefire.org/pdfs/4971_3410.pdf
What part of "if you want public funds, you have to follow the rules" is
so hard for you people to grasp?
Nothing, besides all of it.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: warm fuzzy christians |
30 Dec 2004 07:21:59 AM |
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In our last episode <19d6t0tdajca5epc071p7u1crun80m038e@4ax.com>, stoney
lept out of the bushes shouting:
On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 21:10:40 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In our last episode <i8q3t0pln757e7dd6ttan74gtbmdbdmhcp@4ax.com>,
Specter133 lept out of the bushes shouting:
On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 22:40:27 GMT, MarkA <manthony@stopspam.net> wrote:
On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 16:34:58 -0500, Specter133 wrote:
On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 18:32:33 +0000 (UTC), "kathryn" <bob@bob.com>
wrote:
...HAH! yeah right.
caught the following on yahoo...
http://tinyurl.com/4xtn9
basically a bunch of christian university students are pissed that
the Arizon state university won't fund their group and plan to take
them to court for discrimination.
So in your view christians should not be able to group for
christians?
Of course christians can form christian groups. They just cannot
exclude non-christians if they expect to receive taxpayer funding.
It's not quite so pat as you would like.
http://www.thefire.org/pdfs/4971_3410.pdf
What part of "if you want public funds, you have to follow the rules" is
so hard for you people to grasp?
Nothing, besides all of it.
Must be that "words" thing tripping 'em up...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
-----------------------------------------------------------
"Being surprised at the fact that the universe
is fine tuned for life is akin to a puddle being
surprised at how well it fits its hole"
-- Douglas Adams
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: warm fuzzy christians |
30 Dec 2004 12:25:23 PM |
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On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 07:21:59 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In our last episode <19d6t0tdajca5epc071p7u1crun80m038e@4ax.com>, stoney
lept out of the bushes shouting:
On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 21:10:40 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In our last episode <i8q3t0pln757e7dd6ttan74gtbmdbdmhcp@4ax.com>,
Specter133 lept out of the bushes shouting:
On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 22:40:27 GMT, MarkA <manthony@stopspam.net> wrote:
On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 16:34:58 -0500, Specter133 wrote:
On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 18:32:33 +0000 (UTC), "kathryn" <bob@bob.com>
wrote:
...HAH! yeah right.
caught the following on yahoo...
http://tinyurl.com/4xtn9
basically a bunch of christian university students are pissed that
the Arizon state university won't fund their group and plan to take
them to court for discrimination.
So in your view christians should not be able to group for
christians?
Of course christians can form christian groups. They just cannot
exclude non-christians if they expect to receive taxpayer funding.
It's not quite so pat as you would like.
http://www.thefire.org/pdfs/4971_3410.pdf
What part of "if you want public funds, you have to follow the rules" is
so hard for you people to grasp?
Nothing, besides all of it.
Must be that "words" thing tripping 'em up...
or picture depicting 'no.'
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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| User: "Tukla Ratte" |
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| Title: Re: warm fuzzy christians |
29 Dec 2004 04:51:15 PM |
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Specter133 wrote:
On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 22:40:27 GMT, MarkA <manthony@stopspam.net> wrote:
< snip >
Of course christians can form christian groups. They just cannot exclude
non-christians if they expect to receive taxpayer funding.
It's not quite so pat as you would like.
http://www.thefire.org/pdfs/4971_3410.pdf
You're right; it's not so pat. According to that article, the officers
of a student group *can* be chosen based on religious affiliation. It's
just the rank-and-file members who can't be discriminated against.
IOW, the university is being more flexible than we were led to believe.
So, then, what was your point?
--
Tukla, Eater of Theists, Squeaker of Chew Toys
Official Mascot of Alt.Atheism, aa 1347
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