I posted a thread in alt.religion.islam "quoting" both The Prophet
Mohammed and then the Supreme Spiritual Leader of Iran - the same
passage as in the original post of this thread -

and he goes off calling
me a neo-nazi ......

and goes into some lame attempt at apologetics insinuating
that pedophelia is somehow "normal" and that Christianity condones
pedophelia.

His absurd logic seems to dictate that if a Christian commits a crime,
the crime itself must be condoned by Chrsitianity.

I challenged him to
show me where Jesus (the founder of Christianity), or any of his
Apostles had written condoning marriage to 6-year-olds, or as in the
case of Khomeini, condoning sexual molestation of infants.

If he sues the ***** out of you, which you richly deserve, intellectual
disability is a credible defence

I think he'd have to prove that his calling me a neo-nazi was more
reasonable than me calling him a pedohile; under the circumstances, odds
are, the jury would agree with me.

B J Foster <bjfoster@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:478dfd19$0$31016$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au:

If he sues the ***** out of you, which you richly deserve, intellectual
disability is a credible defence

I think he'd have to prove that his calling me a neo-nazi was more
reasonable than me calling him a pedohile; under the circumstances, odds
are, the jury would agree with me.

David Moss <q0320811@mail.connect.usq.edu.au> wrote in
news:MPG.21f79837efb1ad5098afae@news.bigpond.com:

In article <Xns9A265B5ACF753mattbaylorgmailcom@216.196.97.131>,
mattbaylor@gmail.com writes...

Do you have a reference? Where, in the New Testament, (wich was
written hundreds of years before the Quran), do Jesus or his Apostles
advocate 52 year old men having sex with 6 year old children?

First off I wonder if your "neo-nazi" reference was really a reference
to yourself, since you are now the one attacking Jews.

Since you seem to
insist on comparing modern day pratices of Muslims to cave men who lived
3500 years ago - ok lets compare:

The law in the Bible is proscriptive, it presumes that any activity,
which is not expressly forbidden, is presumed to be legal. The
antithesis of this is prescriptive law, which presumes that any thing
not specifically authorized or exempted, is illegal.

Since you are citing the Old Testament, specificlly the Torah as your
authority, let us first recognize that this covers a period of time
before Israel existed, 3500 years ago, when the tribe of the Hebrews
were living in the wilderness in caves due to a judgment against them by
God. It is written that generation was cursed by God and had to live in
the wilderness for 40 years, until the entire generation had died. The
average life expectancy at that time was about 35 years, since every one
of them died in the 40 years.

As such it is up to you to show where in the Bible it states that it
is illegal to have sex with children younger than nine, or indeed
proscribes any lower age limit on sexual intercourse.

Christians are not Jews, and do not follow the law of Moses and I am no
expert on Jewish customs and laws.

Those that are experts that I have
read tell me there is an interpretation of the Torah called the Talmud
in which it states that girls cannot be married until puberty. I tend to
believe them over you (considering your record thus far).

You may also consider the fact most Christian scholars believe Mary
was around 13 years old when she became pregnant with Jesus. She was
married off to Joseph, a considerably older man, before she gave
birth. According to Hebrew scripts the normal age of betrothal for
girls at that time was 12 and a half.

Again, at that time, with life expectancies what they were, and even by
todays standards, 13 is one hell of a long ways from 6 - or as Khomeini
described, molesting babys that are still being breast fed!

Now it must be realised that once a girl was betrothed in that time,
she was considered to be owned by her husband. Therefore it was not
unusual for the husband to have sex with his betrothed wife. Mary's
pregnancy was not considered unusual or unexpected by anyone but
Joseph.

So now we have set a conventional lower limit for consent at 12 years
and 6 months. It gets worse however:

Numbers 31:17-18
17 Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a
man, 18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a
man.

Basically kill all the women over 12 years of age and save the rest
for the after-invasion orgy.

You really are a sick ***** arent you? "After invasion orgy?" Is that
what you picture in your demented mind?

Again, we are talking about a
time when people lived in tribes and in caves, and a time when these
tribes were in continual blood fueds with one another, a time when
survival of your tribe depended on the fear of your tribe by other
tribes... and you want to use examples of cave men - from a time that is
nearly pre-historic to justify modern day pedophelia?

How young would they take them however?
You won't see that in the Bible, but a peep into the Torah will make
your stomach turn if the story of Mohammed and his nine year old wife
makes you queasy:

WHO SOUNDS LIKE A NEO-NAZI NOW - LOL!!

What does what cave men did 3500 years ago have to do with didling babys
in the modern era?

M.5:4 A girl three years and one day old is betrothed by intercourse.
And if a levir has had intercourse with her, he has acquired her.
...
If she is younger than that [age], [intercourse with her] is like
putting a finger in an eye.
(The Halakhah: An Encyclopaedia of the Law of Judaism, Jacob Neusner,
p. 313)

So, Moses urged his army to rape the entire female population between
the ages of zero and 12, and priests were allowed to pork three year
old girls.

I bet you didn't know that about Christianity and Judaism before you
started mouthing off about Muslims.

I was going to clip the above, but I think it should be saved for
posterity, - you obviously ARE a neo-nazi!

The above has NOTHING to do with Christianity and sounds like it was
pasted from a neo-nazi website! I did a word-search and all I got for
the above quote, and all I get are neo-nazi websites!

For the record, again, Jesus said of children: "Better that a man tie a
millstone around his neck and cast it into the sea than to harm one of
these little ones"

Jesus is the founder of Christianity, not Moses, not Mohammed or Buddah.

David Moss is a pedophile and a neo-nazi!

Your true colors show through David, as any intelligent reader can see
from this exchange!

David Moss <q0320811@mail.connect.usq.edu.au> wrote in
news:MPG.21f79837efb1ad5098afae@news.bigpond.com:

In article <Xns9A265B5ACF753mattbaylorgmailcom@216.196.97.131>,
mattbaylor@gmail.com writes...

Do you have a reference? Where, in the New Testament, (wich was
written hundreds of years before the Quran), do Jesus or his Apostles
advocate 52 year old men having sex with 6 year old children?

First off I wonder if your "neo-nazi" reference was really a reference
to yourself, since you are now the one attacking Jews. Since you seem to
insist on comparing modern day pratices of Muslims to cave men who lived
3500 years ago - ok lets compare:

The law in the Bible is proscriptive, it presumes that any activity,
which is not expressly forbidden, is presumed to be legal. The
antithesis of this is prescriptive law, which presumes that any thing
not specifically authorized or exempted, is illegal.

Since you are citing the Old Testament, specificlly the Torah as your
authority, let us first recognize that this covers a period of time
before Israel existed, 3500 years ago, when the tribe of the Hebrews
were living in the wilderness in caves due to a judgment against them by
God. It is written that generation was cursed by God and had to live in
the wilderness for 40 years, until the entire generation had died. The
average life expectancy at that time was about 35 years, since every one
of them died in the 40 years.

As such it is up to you to show where in the Bible it states that it
is illegal to have sex with children younger than nine, or indeed
proscribes any lower age limit on sexual intercourse.

Christians are not Jews, and do not follow the law of Moses and I am no
expert on Jewish customs and laws. Those that are experts that I have
read tell me there is an interpretation of the Torah called the Talmud
in which it states that girls cannot be married until puberty. I tend to
believe them over you (considering your record thus far).

You may also consider the fact most Christian scholars believe Mary
was around 13 years old when she became pregnant with Jesus. She was
married off to Joseph, a considerably older man, before she gave
birth. According to Hebrew scripts the normal age of betrothal for
girls at that time was 12 and a half.

Again, at that time, with life expectancies what they were, and even by
todays standards, 13 is one hell of a long ways from 6 - or as Khomeini
described, molesting babys that are still being breast fed!

Now it must be realised that once a girl was betrothed in that time,
she was considered to be owned by her husband. Therefore it was not
unusual for the husband to have sex with his betrothed wife. Mary's
pregnancy was not considered unusual or unexpected by anyone but
Joseph.

So now we have set a conventional lower limit for consent at 12 years
and 6 months. It gets worse however:

Numbers 31:17-18
17 Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a
man, 18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a
man.

Basically kill all the women over 12 years of age and save the rest
for the after-invasion orgy.

You really are a sick ***** arent you? "After invasion orgy?" Is that
what you picture in your demented mind? Again, we are talking about a
time when people lived in tribes and in caves, and a time when these
tribes were in continual blood fueds with one another, a time when
survival of your tribe depended on the fear of your tribe by other
tribes... and you want to use examples of cave men - from a time that is
nearly pre-historic to justify modern day pedophelia?

How young would they take them however?
You won't see that in the Bible, but a peep into the Torah will make
your stomach turn if the story of Mohammed and his nine year old wife
makes you queasy:

WHO SOUNDS LIKE A NEO-NAZI NOW - LOL!!

What does what cave men did 3500 years ago have to do with didling babys
in the modern era?

M.5:4 A girl three years and one day old is betrothed by intercourse.
And if a levir has had intercourse with her, he has acquired her.
...
If she is younger than that [age], [intercourse with her] is like
putting a finger in an eye.
(The Halakhah: An Encyclopaedia of the Law of Judaism, Jacob Neusner,
p. 313)

So, Moses urged his army to rape the entire female population between
the ages of zero and 12, and priests were allowed to pork three year
old girls.

I bet you didn't know that about Christianity and Judaism before you
started mouthing off about Muslims.

I was going to clip the above, but I think it should be saved for
posterity, - you obviously ARE a neo-nazi!

The above has NOTHING to do with Christianity and sounds like it was
pasted from a neo-nazi website! I did a word-search and all I got for
the above quote, and all I get are neo-nazi websites!

For the record, again, Jesus said of children: "Better that a man tie a
millstone around his neck and cast it into the sea than to harm one of
these little ones"

Jesus is the founder of Christianity, not Moses, not Mohammed or Buddah.

David Moss is a pedophile and a neo-nazi!

Your true colors show through David, as any intelligent reader can see
from this exchange!