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User: "words of truth"
Date: 02 Sep 2005 01:44:23 PM
Object: Was Charles Darwin Psychotic?
Was Charles Darwin Psychotic? A Study of His Mental Health
by Jerry Bergman, Ph.D
http://www.icr.org/index.php?module=articles&action=view&ID=112
Abstract
Darwin was clearly a very troubled man and suffered from severe
emotional problems for most of his adult life, especially when he was
in the prime of life. The exact cause of his mental and many physical
problems has been much debated and may never be known for certain.
Introduction
Darwin's many lifelong and serious illnesses have been the subject of
much speculation and study for over a century. Darwin stated that his
health problems began as early as 1825 when he was only sixteen years
old, and became incapacitating around age 28 (Barloon and Noyes, 1997,
p. 138). Horan (1979, p. ix) concluded that Darwin was "ill and
reclusively confined to his home in Kent for forty years." Darwinian
scholar Michael Ruse even concluded that "Darwin himself was an invalid
from the age of 30" (2003, p. 1523). And medical doctor George
Pickering, in an extensive study of Darwin's illness, concluded that in
his early thirties, Darwin became an "invalid recluse" (1974, p. 34).
UCLA School of Medicine Professor Dr. Robert Pasnau (1990, p. 123)
noted that Darwin also "remained ill almost continually" for the entire
five years that he was on his HMS Beagle trip.
Dozens of scholarly articles and at least three books have been penned
on the question of Darwin's illness. The current conclusion is that
Darwin suffered from several serious and incapacitating psychiatric
disorders, including agoraphobia. Agoraphobia is characterized by fear
of panic attacks (or actual panic attacks) when not in a
psychologically safe environment, such as at home. Darwin, as is common
among agoraphobiacs, also developed many additional phobias-being in
crowds, being alone, or leaving home unless accompanied by his wife
(Kaplan and Sadock, 1990, pp. 958-959).
Agoraphobia is also frequently associated with depersonalization (a
feeling of being detached from, and outside of, one's own body), a
malady that Darwin also suffered (Barloon and Noyes, 1997, p. 138). A
study of Darwin's mental condition by Barloon and Noyes concluded that
Darwin suffered from anxiety disorders that so severely impaired his
functioning that it limited his ability to leave his home, even just to
meet with colleagues or other friends. This diagnosis likely explains
his very secluded, hermit-like lifestyle (1997, p. 138). It also helps
to explain the title of Desmond and Moore's 1991 biography of Darwin:
Darwin: The Life of a Tormented Evolutionist.
Other Psychiatric and Medical Problems
Colp (1977, p. 97) concluded that "much of Darwin's daily life was
lived on a rack which consisted of fluctuating degrees of pain" that
was sometimes so severe that Darwin called it "distressingly great."
Darwin's many psychological or psychologically influenced physical
health symptoms included severe depression, insomnia, hysterical
crying, dying sensations, shaking, fainting spells, muscle twitches,
shortness of breath, trembling, nausea, vomiting, severe anxiety,
depersonalization, seeing spots, treading on air and vision, and other
visual hallucinations (Barloon and Noyes, 1997, p. 139; Picover, 1998,
p. 290; Colp, 1977, p. 97; Bean, 1978, p. 573). The physical symptoms
included headaches, cardiac palpitations, ringing in ears (possibly
tinnitus), painful flatulence, and gastric upsets-all of which
commonly have a psychological origin (Pasnau, 1990). Colp noted that
"behind these symptoms there was always a core of anxiety and
depression" (1977, p. 97). Some speculate that part of Darwin's mental
problems were due to his nagging, gnawing fear that he had devoted his
"life to a fantasy"-and a "dangerous one" at that (Desmond and Moore,
1991, p. 477). This fear was that his theory was false and there was,
in fact, a divine Creator.
Darwin's behavior also indicates that he suffered from a mental
disorder. Although devoted to his wife and daughters, he "treated them
as children" even after his daughters were fully grown (Picover, 1998,
p. 289). Some of Darwin's statements to others also cast doubt on his
mental stability. For example, in 1875 he wrote the following words to
fellow scientist Robert Hooker:
You ask about my book, & all that I can say is that I am ready to
commit suicide: I thought it was decently written, but find so much
wants rewriting. . . . I begin to think that every one who publishes a
book is a fool (quoted in Colp, 1977, p. 228).
Colp noted that Darwin's son Leonard claimed that his father's illness
even interfered with his feelings for his children. For example,
Leonard once noted that
As a young lad I went up to my father when strolling about the lawn,
and he . . . turned away as if quite incapable of carrying on any
conversation. Then there suddenly shot through my mind the conviction
that he wished he was no longer alive (quoted in Colp, 1977, p. 100).
Darwin's mental problems were considered so severe that Picover (1998,
p. 289) included Darwin in his collection of historical persons that he
calls "strange brains . . . eccentric scientists, and madmen." That
Darwin suffered from several severely disabling maladies is not
debated; the only debate is what caused them (Pasnau, 1990, p. 121).
Other Possible Causes of Darwin's Condition
Others, including Darwin's own wife, argued that his mental problem
stemmed from guilt over his life's goal to refute the argument for God
from design (Bean, 1978,
p. 574; p. 28; Pasnau, 1990, p. 126). Most of the psychoanalytic
studies have argued that his problems were a result of his repressed
anger toward his tyrannical father and "the slaying of his heavenly
father" by his theory (Pasnau, 1990, p. 122).
Diagnosis of the cause of Darwin's mental and physical disorders
include parasitic disease (Chaga's disease-caused by an insect common
in South America), arsenic poisoning, and possibly even an inner ear
disorder (Picover, 1998, p. 290; Pasnau, 1990). All of these causes
have largely been refuted. Many persons conclude he had a classic,
essential mental disturbance bordering on psychosis (a severe,
incapacitating mental disorder). Regardless of the diagnosis, Darwin's
condition was clearly incapacitating, often for months at a time, and
rendered him an invalid for much of his life, especially in the prime
of his life.
Arnold Sorsby concluded that Darwin was also an obsessive-compulsive
and gives the following evidence:
If Chagas's disease did not cause Darwin's symptoms what did? My
personal diagnosis would be an anxiety state with obsessive features
and psychosomatic manifestations. Anxiety clearly precipitated much of
his physical trouble, and regarding the obsessive component there are
several important points. . . .
Darwin exhibited the obsessional's trait of having everything "just
so"; he kept meticulous records of his health and symptoms like many
obsessional hypochondriacs. Everything had to be in its place; he even
had a special drawer for the sponge which he used in bathing . . . Then
there is the health diary he kept. Days and nights were given a score
according to how good they were; the score was added up at the end of
each week, and there is evidence of frequent changing of mind in
deciding whether a night was very good or just good (1974, p. 228).
Darwin's Own Words about His Condition
In addition to the diary on his health problems and complaints (Colp,
1977, p. 136), he frequently discussed his health problems in his
letters and his autobiography. Darwin's own description of his
condition included the following: "I am forced to live, . . . very
quietly and am able to see scarcely anybody and cannot even talk long
with my nearest relations" (quoted in Bowlby, 1990, p. 240). Darwin
once complained that speaking for only "a few minutes" to the Linnean
Society "brought on 24 hours vomiting" (Darwin, 1994, pp. 98-99). At
another time, Darwin had a "house full of guests" and after he visited
the parish church for a christening, he was "back to square one" and
his good health "had vanished `like a flash of lightning'" and sickness
(including the vomiting) returned (Desmond and Moore, 1991, p. 456).
The suddenness of his illness, as illustrated by these incidents,
indicates that his incapacitating episodes were psychological in
origin.
Another side of Darwin revealed his sadistic impulses. His own words
taken from his autobiography give a vivid example:
In the latter part of my school life I became passionately fond of
shooting, and I do not believe that anyone could have shown more zeal
for the most holy cause than I did for shooting birds. How well I
remember killing my first snipe, and my excitement was so great that I
had much difficulty in reloading my gun from the trembling of my hands.
This taste long continued and I became a very good shot (1958, p. 44).
The fact that he loved killing so much that killing his first bird
caused him to tremble with excitement could certainly indicate a
sadistic streak in Darwin. His passion for killing birds is well known.
One wonders if this "passion" for killing may have, in part, motivated
his ruthless "survival of the fittest" tooth and claw theory of natural
selection.
Conclusions
Darwin was clearly a very troubled man and suffered from severe
emotional problems for most of his adult life, especially when he was
in the prime of life. The exact cause of his mental and many physical
problems has been much debated and may never be known for certain.
Since Darwin wrote extensively about his mental and physical problems,
we have much material on which to base a reasonable conclusion about
this area of his life. The diagnosis of the cause of his mental and
physical problems includes a variety of debilitating conditions, but
agoraphobia with the addition of psychoneurosis is most probably
correct.
Unfortunately, most writers have shied away from this topic, partly
because Darwin is now idolized by many scientists and others. Often
listed as one of the greatest scientists of the nineteenth century, if
not the greatest scientist that ever lived, Darwin is one of the few
scientists known to most Americans. To understand Darwin as a person
and his motivations, one must consider his mental condition and how it
affected his work and conclusions.
References
Barloon, Thomas and Russell Noyes, Jr. 1997. "Charles Darwin and Panic
Disorder." JAMA 277(2):138-141.
Barlow, Nora, ed. 1958. The Autobiography of Charles Darwin 1809-1882.
NY: Norton.
Bean, W. B. 1978. "The Illness of Charles Darwin." The American Journal
of Medicine 65(4):572-574.
Bowlby, John. 1990. Charles Darwin: A New Life. NY: Norton.
Colp, Ralph Jr. 1977. To Be an Invalid: The Illness of Charles Darwin.
Chicago, IL: University of Chicago.
Darwin, Charles. 1994. The Correspondence of Charles Darwin. Cambridge,
England: Cambridge University. Vol. 9.
Desmond, Adrian and James Moore. 1991. Darwin: The Life of a Tormented
Evolutionist. NY: Warner Books.
Grigg, Russell. 1995. "Darwin's Mystery Illness." Creation Ex Nihilo
17(4):28-30.
Horan, Patricia G. 1979. Foreword to The Origin of Species. NY:
Gramercy Books.
Kaplan, Harold I. and Benjamin J. Sadock, ed. 1990. Comprehensive
Textbook of Psychiatry/V. Volume 1 Fifth Edition. NY: Williams and
Wilkins.
Pasnau, R. O. 1990. "Darwin's Illness: A Biopsychosocial Perspective."
Psychosomatics 31(2):121-128.
Pickering, George. 1974. Creative Malady. NY: Oxford University Press.
Picover, Clifford A. 1998. Strange Brains and Genius: The Secret Lives
of Eccentric Scientists and Madmen. NY: Quill William Morrow.
Ruse, Michael. 2003. "Is Evolution a Secular Religion?" Science
299:1523-1524.
Sorsby, Arnold, ed. 1974. Tenements of Clay. NY: Charles Scribner's
Sons.
*Dr. Bergman is on the Biology faculty at Northwest State College in
Ohio.
http://www.icr.org/index.php?module=articles&action=view&ID=112
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User: "Elf M. Sternberg"

Title: Re: Was Charles Darwin Psychotic? 02 Sep 2005 03:26:03 PM
"words of truth" <wordsoftruth21@lycos.com> writes:

Darwin was clearly a very troubled man and suffered from severe
emotional problems for most of his adult life, especially when he was
in the prime of life. The exact cause of his mental and many physical
problems has been much debated and may never be known for certain.

1. He's dead.
2. His mental state is no indictment of the theory of
evolution.
Elf
.
User: "Libertarius"

Title: Re: Was Charles Darwin Psychotic? 02 Sep 2005 05:19:29 PM
"Elf M. Sternberg" wrote:

"words of truth" <wordsoftruth21@lycos.com> writes:

Darwin was clearly a very troubled man and suffered from severe
emotional problems for most of his adult life, especially when he was
in the prime of life. The exact cause of his mental and many physical
problems has been much debated and may never be known for certain.


1. He's dead.

2. His mental state is no indictment of the theory of
evolution.

Elf

===>But creationist followers of Saul/Paul of Tarsus will grasp
any straw as their beliefs let them sink deeper and deeper into
ignorance. -- L.
.


User: "DH"

Title: Re: Was Charles Darwin Psychotic? 02 Sep 2005 03:53:51 PM
"words of truth" <wordsoftruth21@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:1125686663.238957.85250@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...

Was Charles Darwin Psychotic? A Study of His Mental Health

by Jerry Bergman, Ph.D

http://www.icr.org/index.php?module=articles&action=view&ID=112

Abstract
Darwin was clearly a very troubled man and suffered from severe
emotional problems for most of his adult life, especially when he was
in the prime of life. The exact cause of his mental and many physical
problems has been much debated and may never be known for certain.


1. It was very likely Chagas' disease. This is pretty much a consensus
diagnosis. I've read a couple of articles on this; check back issues of
Scientific American. I suppose that article won't be lurid enough for you,
though.
2. If you're hoping this somehow "disproves" evolution, you're doomed to
disappointment. Please note that the original publication of the principal
of "Natural Selection" was actually jointly with Alfred Wallace, who'd come
up with pretty much the same thing independently. Charles Darwin had
apparently figured the principal out first but was taking a very long time
preparing to publish, because he wanted the idea well documented and
supported. Hardly the actions of a lunatic. Was Wallace a psychotic, too?
Still wouldn't matter.
3. I've read "The Voyage of the Beagle." It's one of the best
travelogues every published. Darwin does mention the occasional illness
while on the trip but he pulled his weight in a lot of situations; hardly an
invalid for the entire 5 years, as Bergmann's article suggests. He traveled
across the pampas on horseback, climbed mountains the Andes, participated in
boat expeditions far up rivers and undertook similar strenuous activity.
Illness did not define and hardly limited his life at that time
4. Illness, chronic illness and misdiagnosis was part of the scenery of
Victorian life. Science leaped ahead, anyway.
5. If you're interested in refuting evolution, learn some actual biology,
chemistry, physics, math, history, geology and a few related topics first.
Then lay out a case for an alternate, testable theory that better explains
all the evidence found to date. I know, it's scary. You'll have to put
down your Bible and read some other books.
.
User: "DH"

Title: Re: Was Charles Darwin Psychotic? 02 Sep 2005 04:43:33 PM
"DH" <dh@stargate.com> wrote in message
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"words of truth" <wordsoftruth21@lycos.com> wrote in message
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Was Charles Darwin Psychotic? A Study of His Mental Health

by Jerry Bergman, Ph.D

By the way...
Is this the same Jerry Bergman who was sacked at Bowling Green State
University?
Googling reveals some curious things...
.
User: "Libertarius"

Title: Re: Was Charles Darwin Psychotic?. 02 Sep 2005 05:35:57 PM
DH wrote:

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Was Charles Darwin Psychotic? A Study of His Mental Health

by Jerry Bergman, Ph.D


By the way...

Is this the same Jerry Bergman who was sacked at Bowling Green State
University?

Googling reveals some curious things...

===>Creationists will grasp any straw that floats by them.
They will even praise the "designer" for making the water
fit the hole so perfectly, even as they're drowning in it. -- L.
.
User: "Vivapadrepios personal Cthulhu"

Title: Re: Re: Was Charles Darwin Psychotic?. 02 Sep 2005 08:30:42 PM
Cometh the hour, cometh Libertarius
<Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth>
who, with imperceptibly subtle footwork in alt.atheism, gave us this:



DH wrote:

"DH" <dh@stargate.com> wrote in message
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"words of truth" <wordsoftruth21@lycos.com> wrote in message
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Was Charles Darwin Psychotic? A Study of His Mental Health

by Jerry Bergman, Ph.D


By the way...

Is this the same Jerry Bergman who was sacked at Bowling Green State
University?

Googling reveals some curious things...


===>Creationists will grasp any straw that floats by them.
They will even praise the "designer" for making the water
fit the hole so perfectly, even as they're drowning in it. -- L.

Water? Amazing stuff
http://www.lsbu.ac.uk/water/
Designed? Not a chance.
----------------------------------------
David Silverman F.L.A.H.N. aa #2208
Either religion goes or civilisation does. It's that simple.
.



User: "t1gercat"

Title: Re: Was Charles Darwin Psychotic? 08 Sep 2005 10:56:47 PM
DH wrote:

"words of truth" <wordsoftruth21@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:1125686663.238957.85250@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...

Was Charles Darwin Psychotic? A Study of His Mental Health

by Jerry Bergman, Ph.D

http://www.icr.org/index.php?module=articles&action=view&ID=112

Abstract
Darwin was clearly a very troubled man and suffered from severe
emotional problems for most of his adult life, especially when he was
in the prime of life. The exact cause of his mental and many physical
problems has been much debated and may never be known for certain.



1. It was very likely Chagas' disease. This is pretty much a consensus
diagnosis. I've read a couple of articles on this; check back issues of
Scientific American. I suppose that article won't be lurid enough for you,
though.

2. If you're hoping this somehow "disproves" evolution, you're doomed to
disappointment. Please note that the original publication of the principal
of "Natural Selection" was actually jointly with Alfred Wallace, who'd come
up with pretty much the same thing independently. Charles Darwin had
apparently figured the principal out first but was taking a very long time
preparing to publish, because he wanted the idea well documented and
supported. Hardly the actions of a lunatic. Was Wallace a psychotic, too?
Still wouldn't matter.

3. I've read "The Voyage of the Beagle." It's one of the best
travelogues every published. Darwin does mention the occasional illness
while on the trip but he pulled his weight in a lot of situations; hardly an
invalid for the entire 5 years, as Bergmann's article suggests. He traveled
across the pampas on horseback, climbed mountains the Andes, participated in
boat expeditions far up rivers and undertook similar strenuous activity.
Illness did not define and hardly limited his life at that time

4. Illness, chronic illness and misdiagnosis was part of the scenery of
Victorian life. Science leaped ahead, anyway.

5. If you're interested in refuting evolution, learn some actual biology,
chemistry, physics, math, history, geology and a few related topics first.
Then lay out a case for an alternate, testable theory that better explains
all the evidence found to date. I know, it's scary. You'll have to put
down your Bible and read some other books.

It's interesting to note that the veiled allegation which seems to link
Darwin's physical condition to his theories -- as if physical illness
was somehow a signal of mental depravity -- goes back to Darwin's
lifetime. The captian of the Beagle, Fitzroy, a sad, delusional man
who was subject to bouts of depression, eventually turned on Darwin and
spent the last years of his life trying to defame and discredit Darwin.
Fitzroy spoke and wrote with contempt of Darwin's theories, and tried
to subvert Darwin's writings by referring to his repeated sea-sickness
as if sea-sickness alone were indicative of moral and intellectual
failing. The odd thing about Fitzroy's late disparagement of Darwin was
that when they voyaged together they were friends. Fitzroy named places
after Darwin and Darwin always thought highly of the Captain, at least
until Fitz went crazy, became a religious zealot and began speaking
against him.
Fitzroy, by the way, was a great sailor and an inventor. His mental
condition was unstable, however, and he committed suicide at age 60.
Wexford
.
User: "Cary Kittrell"

Title: Re: Was Charles Darwin Psychotic? 09 Sep 2005 12:51:36 PM
In article <1126238207.075783.102510@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> "t1gercat" <wexford1778@yahoo.com> writes:


DH wrote:

"words of truth" <wordsoftruth21@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:1125686663.238957.85250@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...

Was Charles Darwin Psychotic? A Study of His Mental Health

by Jerry Bergman, Ph.D

http://www.icr.org/index.php?module=articles&action=view&ID=112

Abstract
Darwin was clearly a very troubled man and suffered from severe
emotional problems for most of his adult life, especially when he was
in the prime of life. The exact cause of his mental and many physical
problems has been much debated and may never be known for certain.



1. It was very likely Chagas' disease. This is pretty much a consensus
diagnosis. I've read a couple of articles on this; check back issues of
Scientific American. I suppose that article won't be lurid enough for you,
though.

2. If you're hoping this somehow "disproves" evolution, you're doomed to
disappointment. Please note that the original publication of the principal
of "Natural Selection" was actually jointly with Alfred Wallace, who'd come
up with pretty much the same thing independently. Charles Darwin had
apparently figured the principal out first but was taking a very long time
preparing to publish, because he wanted the idea well documented and
supported. Hardly the actions of a lunatic. Was Wallace a psychotic, too?
Still wouldn't matter.

3. I've read "The Voyage of the Beagle." It's one of the best
travelogues every published. Darwin does mention the occasional illness
while on the trip but he pulled his weight in a lot of situations; hardly an
invalid for the entire 5 years, as Bergmann's article suggests. He traveled
across the pampas on horseback, climbed mountains the Andes, participated in
boat expeditions far up rivers and undertook similar strenuous activity.
Illness did not define and hardly limited his life at that time

4. Illness, chronic illness and misdiagnosis was part of the scenery of
Victorian life. Science leaped ahead, anyway.

5. If you're interested in refuting evolution, learn some actual biology,
chemistry, physics, math, history, geology and a few related topics first.
Then lay out a case for an alternate, testable theory that better explains
all the evidence found to date. I know, it's scary. You'll have to put
down your Bible and read some other books.


It's interesting to note that the veiled allegation which seems to link
Darwin's physical condition to his theories -- as if physical illness
was somehow a signal of mental depravity -- goes back to Darwin's
lifetime. The captian of the Beagle, Fitzroy, a sad, delusional man
who was subject to bouts of depression, eventually turned on Darwin and
spent the last years of his life trying to defame and discredit Darwin.
Fitzroy spoke and wrote with contempt of Darwin's theories,

and even picketed, if I recall correctly?...

and tried
to subvert Darwin's writings by referring to his repeated sea-sickness
as if sea-sickness alone were indicative of moral and intellectual
failing.

Interesting factoid: I just read that Fitzroy initially rejected
Darwin as a candidate for Captain's companion in part because
his "large and flabby nose" might indicate a corresponding
flaccidity of character (quotes are not Fitzroy's)

The odd thing about Fitzroy's late disparagement of Darwin was
that when they voyaged together they were friends. Fitzroy named places
after Darwin and Darwin always thought highly of the Captain, at least
until Fitz went crazy, became a religious zealot and began speaking
against him.

Fitzroy, by the way, was a great sailor and an inventor. His mental
condition was unstable, however, and he committed suicide at age 60.

Wexford

-- cary
.
User: "t1gercat"

Title: Re: Was Charles Darwin Psychotic? 09 Sep 2005 10:33:35 PM
Cary Kittrell wrote:

In article <1126238207.075783.102510@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> "t1gercat" <wexford1778@yahoo.com> writes:


DH wrote:

"words of truth" <wordsoftruth21@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:1125686663.238957.85250@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...

Was Charles Darwin Psychotic? A Study of His Mental Health

by Jerry Bergman, Ph.D

http://www.icr.org/index.php?module=articles&action=view&ID=112

Abstract
Darwin was clearly a very troubled man and suffered from severe
emotional problems for most of his adult life, especially when he was
in the prime of life. The exact cause of his mental and many physical
problems has been much debated and may never be known for certain.



1. It was very likely Chagas' disease. This is pretty much a consensus
diagnosis. I've read a couple of articles on this; check back issues of
Scientific American. I suppose that article won't be lurid enough for you,
though.

2. If you're hoping this somehow "disproves" evolution, you're doomed to
disappointment. Please note that the original publication of the principal
of "Natural Selection" was actually jointly with Alfred Wallace, who'd come
up with pretty much the same thing independently. Charles Darwin had
apparently figured the principal out first but was taking a very long time
preparing to publish, because he wanted the idea well documented and
supported. Hardly the actions of a lunatic. Was Wallace a psychotic, too?
Still wouldn't matter.

3. I've read "The Voyage of the Beagle." It's one of the best
travelogues every published. Darwin does mention the occasional illness
while on the trip but he pulled his weight in a lot of situations; hardly an
invalid for the entire 5 years, as Bergmann's article suggests. He traveled
across the pampas on horseback, climbed mountains the Andes, participated in
boat expeditions far up rivers and undertook similar strenuous activity.
Illness did not define and hardly limited his life at that time

4. Illness, chronic illness and misdiagnosis was part of the scenery of
Victorian life. Science leaped ahead, anyway.

5. If you're interested in refuting evolution, learn some actual biology,
chemistry, physics, math, history, geology and a few related topics first.
Then lay out a case for an alternate, testable theory that better explains
all the evidence found to date. I know, it's scary. You'll have to put
down your Bible and read some other books.



It's interesting to note that the veiled allegation which seems to link
Darwin's physical condition to his theories -- as if physical illness
was somehow a signal of mental depravity -- goes back to Darwin's
lifetime. The captian of the Beagle, Fitzroy, a sad, delusional man
who was subject to bouts of depression, eventually turned on Darwin and
spent the last years of his life trying to defame and discredit Darwin.
Fitzroy spoke and wrote with contempt of Darwin's theories,


and even picketed, if I recall correctly?...

and tried
to subvert Darwin's writings by referring to his repeated sea-sickness
as if sea-sickness alone were indicative of moral and intellectual
failing.


Interesting factoid: I just read that Fitzroy initially rejected
Darwin as a candidate for Captain's companion in part because
his "large and flabby nose" might indicate a corresponding
flaccidity of character (quotes are not Fitzroy's)

That's interesting.
It's a good thing for science that Fitzroy finally accepted him. Darwin
was on his way to becoming a cleric of the Church of England when he
found employment on th Beagle. Divining character by analyzing facial
or body traits was a popular pseudo-science in the 19th Century. Books
were published on the "science" of physiognomy that pretended to have
reduced physical characteristics to a set number that were indicative
of moral strengths or weaknesses, proclivity toward criminal behavior
and sexual deviance, etc. Fitzroy was probably an amateur physiognomist
as well as a religious nut.
Wexford
.
User: "Jesse"

Title: Re: Was Charles Darwin Psychotic? 10 Sep 2005 12:04:44 PM
"To suppose that the eye with all its inimitable contrivances for
adjusting the focus to different distances, for admitting different
amounts of light, and for the correction of spherical and chromatic
aberration could have been formed by natural selection, seems, I freely
confess, absurd in the highest degree."
Charles Darwin, The Origin of Species, J M Dent and Sons LTD, London,
1971 page 167
.
User: "Therion Ware"

Title: Re: Was Charles Darwin Psychotic? 10 Sep 2005 12:45:40 PM
On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 17:04:44 GMT in alt.atheism, Jesse (Jesse
<kc2iyh@sbcglobal.net>) said, directing the reply to alt.atheism

"To suppose that the eye with all its inimitable contrivances for
adjusting the focus to different distances, for admitting different
amounts of light, and for the correction of spherical and chromatic
aberration could have been formed by natural selection, seems, I freely
confess, absurd in the highest degree."

Charles Darwin, The Origin of Species, J M Dent and Sons LTD, London,
1971 page 167

"There is no God."
Psalm 14:1
.

User: "Cary Kittrell"

Title: Re: Was Charles Darwin Psychotic? 12 Sep 2005 12:58:57 PM
Jesse <kc2iyh@sbcglobal.net>

"To suppose that the eye with all its inimitable contrivances for
adjusting the focus to different distances, for admitting different
amounts of light, and for the correction of spherical and chromatic
aberration could have been formed by natural selection, seems, I freely
confess, absurd in the highest degree."

Charles Darwin, The Origin of Species, J M Dent and Sons LTD, London,
1971 page 167

Of course, an honest Christian would have included the rest of the
paragraph, the part where Darwin answers the question he raises here,
explaining how evolution COULD do exactly what he asks, rhetorically,
above.
But I suppose that it's unfair to accuse you of dishonesty, as
your omission could have been due to ignorance instead.
If the latter is the case, then I suggest you could better inform
yourself by not getting your information from hostile web sites
which carefully snip what they present.
-- cary
.

User: "John Baker"

Title: Re: Was Charles Darwin Psychotic? 10 Sep 2005 12:24:25 PM
On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 17:04:44 GMT, Jesse <kc2iyh@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

"To suppose that the eye with all its inimitable contrivances for
adjusting the focus to different distances, for admitting different
amounts of light, and for the correction of spherical and chromatic
aberration could have been formed by natural selection, seems, I freely
confess, absurd in the highest degree."

Charles Darwin, The Origin of Species, J M Dent and Sons LTD, London,
1971 page 167

So how about quoting the rest of it, where Darwin goes on to describe
just how that seemingly absurd thing could come about.
Your selective quoting isn't fooling anyone.
.


User: "DH"

Title: Re: Was Charles Darwin Psychotic? 12 Sep 2005 10:06:34 AM
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DH wrote:

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Was Charles Darwin Psychotic? A Study of His Mental Health

by Jerry Bergman, Ph.D

http://www.icr.org/index.php?module=articles&action=view&ID=112

Abstract
Darwin was clearly a very troubled man and suffered from severe
emotional problems for most of his adult life, especially when he

was

in the prime of life. The exact cause of his mental and many

physical

problems has been much debated and may never be known for certain.



1. It was very likely Chagas' disease. This is pretty much a

consensus

diagnosis. I've read a couple of articles on this; check back

issues of

Scientific American. I suppose that article won't be lurid enough

for you,

though.

2. If you're hoping this somehow "disproves" evolution, you're

doomed to

disappointment. Please note that the original publication of the

principal

of "Natural Selection" was actually jointly with Alfred Wallace,

who'd come

up with pretty much the same thing independently. Charles Darwin

had

apparently figured the principal out first but was taking a very

long time

preparing to publish, because he wanted the idea well documented and
supported. Hardly the actions of a lunatic. Was Wallace a

psychotic, too?

Still wouldn't matter.

3. I've read "The Voyage of the Beagle." It's one of the best
travelogues every published. Darwin does mention the occasional

illness

while on the trip but he pulled his weight in a lot of situations;

hardly an

invalid for the entire 5 years, as Bergmann's article suggests. He

traveled

across the pampas on horseback, climbed mountains the Andes,

participated in

boat expeditions far up rivers and undertook similar strenuous

activity.

Illness did not define and hardly limited his life at that time

4. Illness, chronic illness and misdiagnosis was part of the

scenery of

Victorian life. Science leaped ahead, anyway.

5. If you're interested in refuting evolution, learn some actual

biology,

chemistry, physics, math, history, geology and a few related topics

first.

Then lay out a case for an alternate, testable theory that better

explains

all the evidence found to date. I know, it's scary. You'll have to

put

down your Bible and read some other books.



It's interesting to note that the veiled allegation which seems to

link

Darwin's physical condition to his theories -- as if physical illness
was somehow a signal of mental depravity -- goes back to Darwin's
lifetime. The captian of the Beagle, Fitzroy, a sad, delusional man
who was subject to bouts of depression, eventually turned on Darwin

and

spent the last years of his life trying to defame and discredit

Darwin.

Fitzroy spoke and wrote with contempt of Darwin's theories,


and even picketed, if I recall correctly?...

and tried
to subvert Darwin's writings by referring to his repeated sea-sickness
as if sea-sickness alone were indicative of moral and intellectual
failing.


Interesting factoid: I just read that Fitzroy initially rejected
Darwin as a candidate for Captain's companion in part because
his "large and flabby nose" might indicate a corresponding
flaccidity of character (quotes are not Fitzroy's)


That's interesting.

It's a good thing for science that Fitzroy finally accepted him. Darwin
was on his way to becoming a cleric of the Church of England when he
found employment on th Beagle. Divining character by analyzing facial
or body traits was a popular pseudo-science in the 19th Century. Books
were published on the "science" of physiognomy that pretended to have
reduced physical characteristics to a set number that were indicative
of moral strengths or weaknesses, proclivity toward criminal behavior
and sexual deviance, etc. Fitzroy was probably an amateur physiognomist
as well as a religious nut.

Wexford

Well, that's the great thing about science. If Fitzroy had declined to take
Darwin along, someone else would have eventually come to the same
conclusion. In fact, Darwin took so long publishing his ideas that a fellow
named Wallace (first name escapes me at the moment), co-presented with
Darwin on the initial public presentation of the idea. I'm guessing it was
clear from private communications, etc, that Darwin really had hit on it
first, so Wallace cooperated in publishing, rather than trying to take
credit for the idea.
This is the difference between science and the pseudo-science of ID and
creationism, they're looking for political victories because they know that
they can't have scientific acceptance. If they were confident of their
science, the ID proponents would be busy in their labs and field studies,
secure in the knowledge that history would elevate their names above Darwin.
Fat chance that will happen.
.
User: "Cary Kittrell"

Title: Re: Was Charles Darwin Psychotic? 12 Sep 2005 12:48:12 PM
"DH" <dh@stargate.com> writes:


"t1gercat" <wexford1778@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Cary Kittrell wrote:

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{...}


Interesting factoid: I just read that Fitzroy initially rejected
Darwin as a candidate for Captain's companion in part because
his "large and flabby nose" might indicate a corresponding
flaccidity of character (quotes are not Fitzroy's)


That's interesting.

It's a good thing for science that Fitzroy finally accepted him. Darwin
was on his way to becoming a cleric of the Church of England when he
found employment on th Beagle. Divining character by analyzing facial
or body traits was a popular pseudo-science in the 19th Century. Books
were published on the "science" of physiognomy that pretended to have
reduced physical characteristics to a set number that were indicative
of moral strengths or weaknesses, proclivity toward criminal behavior
and sexual deviance, etc. Fitzroy was probably an amateur physiognomist
as well as a religious nut.

Wexford


Well, that's the great thing about science. If Fitzroy had declined to take
Darwin along, someone else would have eventually come to the same
conclusion. In fact, Darwin took so long publishing his ideas that a fellow
named Wallace (first name escapes me at the moment), co-presented with
Darwin on the initial public presentation of the idea. I'm guessing it was
clear from private communications, etc, that Darwin really had hit on it
first, so Wallace cooperated in publishing, rather than trying to take
credit for the idea.

Right, the article from which I got the above flabby-nose bit
noted that Fitzroy was an "amatuer physiognomist".
Both Darwin and Wallace had stumbled on the same "Hey, you know if..."
kind of insight -- but the difference was that Wallace had a bright
idea, but Darwin had the same bright idea, and then spent twenty
year or so shoring it up with his famously extensive knowledge
of natural history before publishing. If Wallace had not
forced his hand, Darwin might well have spent another twenty
years putting in semi-colons and taking them out again.
Darwin was more than thorough, and he also knew the
brouhaha that would result from finally publishing.
-- cary
.
User: "t1gercat"

Title: Re: Was Charles Darwin Psychotic? 12 Sep 2005 11:28:05 PM
Cary Kittrell wrote:

"DH" <dh@stargate.com> writes:


"t1gercat" <wexford1778@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Cary Kittrell wrote:

In article <1126238207.075783.102510@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>


{...}


Interesting factoid: I just read that Fitzroy initially rejected
Darwin as a candidate for Captain's companion in part because
his "large and flabby nose" might indicate a corresponding
flaccidity of character (quotes are not Fitzroy's)


That's interesting.

It's a good thing for science that Fitzroy finally accepted him. Darwin
was on his way to becoming a cleric of the Church of England when he
found employment on th Beagle. Divining character by analyzing facial
or body traits was a popular pseudo-science in the 19th Century. Books
were published on the "science" of physiognomy that pretended to have
reduced physical characteristics to a set number that were indicative
of moral strengths or weaknesses, proclivity toward criminal behavior
and sexual deviance, etc. Fitzroy was probably an amateur physiognomist
as well as a religious nut.

Wexford


Well, that's the great thing about science. If Fitzroy had declined to take
Darwin along, someone else would have eventually come to the same
conclusion. In fact, Darwin took so long publishing his ideas that a fellow
named Wallace (first name escapes me at the moment), co-presented with
Darwin on the initial public presentation of the idea. I'm guessing it was
clear from private communications, etc, that Darwin really had hit on it
first, so Wallace cooperated in publishing, rather than trying to take
credit for the idea.


Right, the article from which I got the above flabby-nose bit
noted that Fitzroy was an "amatuer physiognomist".

Both Darwin and Wallace had stumbled on the same "Hey, you know if..."
kind of insight -- but the difference was that Wallace had a bright
idea, but Darwin had the same bright idea, and then spent twenty
year or so shoring it up with his famously extensive knowledge
of natural history before publishing. If Wallace had not
forced his hand, Darwin might well have spent another twenty
years putting in semi-colons and taking them out again.
Darwin was more than thorough, and he also knew the
brouhaha that would result from finally publishing.

I think Darwin was well aware of the storm he was about to unleash. He
was a quiet man, curious, methodical, and scholarly. He worked by
himself and, while well read in the science of the time, relied on his
own research as well as much or more as the findings of others. It
would have been tough for anyone of his time to publish a theory of
evolution, even if he or she were backed by a university and a
well-endowed team of researchers. Darwin had only himself and the
reputation of a well-connected and honorable family (his father and
grandfather were respected physicians, and, more importantly, the
Darwins and the Wedgwoods were related. In fact, Charles Darwin married
Emma Wedgwood.)
He had so many things to overcome. For example, how do you defend the
concept of evolution (vs. direct creation) when plants exist on islands
far out to sea that are very similar or the same as plants on the
continent. Could birds account for all the transference of flora? If
so, what would have attracted the birds to a barren pile of dirt?
Darwin proposed that seeds may have fallen into the ocean, were carried
by currents and deposited on islands. To prove that seeds could
germinate after floating in sea water for months, he dumped seeds into
beakers of seawater and experimented with planting them after one, two
and three months (and pehaps more). To his delight, some soaked seeds
did promptly germinate and grow, so it was possible that barren islands
could become lush with flora that might attract birds. Insects could
have been blown there as well, or floated in on drift wood, as well as
animals. It was a diffcult sell (and it still is, to some folks), but
at least he established the possibility, if not the probability that
these things could occur.
This was thin stuff, though, when opposed to the awful weight of
superstition and the rigidity (and intolerance) of religion. I don't
know if I would have had the courage (I know I wouldn't have had the
brains) to do it.

Wexford
.







User: "John Baker"

Title: Re: Was Charles Darwin Psychotic? 08 Sep 2005 12:00:07 PM
"words of truth" <wordsoftruth21@lycos.com> wrote in message
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Was Charles Darwin Psychotic? A Study of His Mental Health

by Jerry Bergman, Ph.D

Scientists are eccentric. Fundies are psychotic.
.

User: "Dave"

Title: Is "Words of Truth" a Homosexual? 02 Sep 2005 02:22:59 PM
"words of truth" (the flaming homosexual) cut and pasted:

[...]
Anxiety clearly precipitated much of his physical trouble...
[...]

I wonder why?
.
User: "Mark K. Bilbo"

Title: Re: Is "Words of Truth" a Homosexual? 02 Sep 2005 07:23:17 PM
In episode <1125688979.601293.241690@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, Dave
burst into the room and exclaimed:

Is "Words of Truth" a Homosexual?

If he's really, really lucky...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
--------------------------------------------------
"Come to think of it, there are already a million
monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet
is NOTHING like Shakespeare!" -- Blair Houghton
.


User: "Libertarius"

Title: Re: Was Charles Darwin Psychotic? 02 Sep 2005 03:58:24 PM
===>Well, the details about Saul/Paul of Tarsus, founder of Christianity,
with his visions, hallucinations, statements that he was possessed by
"Christos" who was "in him", etc., suggests that he most likely was,
probably schizophrenic.
If Darwin was ill, his illness had nothing to do with the theory he
formulated. But the Christos Cult of Saul/Paul is a direct result of his
hallucinatory experiences through which re "received from the Lord"
the doctrines of his newly concocted religion.-- L.
.

User: "Vivapadrepios personal Cthulhu"

Title: Re: Was Charles Darwin Psychotic? 02 Sep 2005 08:23:53 PM
Cometh the hour, cometh "words of truth" <wordsoftruth21@lycos.com>
who, with imperceptibly subtle footwork in alt.atheism, gave us this:

It also helps
to explain the title of Desmond and Moore's 1991 biography of Darwin:
Darwin: The Life of a Tormented Evolutionist.

No, what actually explains that title, and your posting, is that the
monkeys are loose in the library again.
----------------------------------------
David Silverman F.L.A.H.N. aa #2208
Either religion goes or civilisation does. It's that simple.
.

User: "Vivapadrepios personal Cthulhu"

Title: Re: Was Charles Darwin Psychotic? 02 Sep 2005 01:47:23 PM
Cometh the hour, cometh "words of truth" <wordsoftruth21@lycos.com>
who, with imperceptibly subtle footwork in alt.atheism, gave us this:

Was Charles Darwin Psychotic? A Study of His Mental Health

He had OCD, it's what made him such a meticulous scientist.
----------------------------------------
David Silverman F.L.A.H.N. aa #2208
Either religion goes or civilisation does. It's that simple.
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User: "Crusader"

Title: Re: Was Charles Darwin Psychotic? 03 Sep 2005 02:28:42 PM
He did commit suicide.
"words of truth" <wordsoftruth21@lycos.com> wrote in message
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Was Charles Darwin Psychotic? A Study of His Mental Health

by Jerry Bergman, Ph.D


http://www.icr.org/index.php?module=articles&action=view&ID=112

Abstract
Darwin was clearly a very troubled man and suffered from severe
emotional problems for most of his adult life, especially when he was
in the prime of life. The exact cause of his mental and many physical
problems has been much debated and may never be known for certain.


Introduction


Darwin's many lifelong and serious illnesses have been the subject of
much speculation and study for over a century. Darwin stated that his
health problems began as early as 1825 when he was only sixteen years
old, and became incapacitating around age 28 (Barloon and Noyes, 1997,
p. 138). Horan (1979, p. ix) concluded that Darwin was "ill and
reclusively confined to his home in Kent for forty years." Darwinian
scholar Michael Ruse even concluded that "Darwin himself was an invalid
from the age of 30" (2003, p. 1523). And medical doctor George
Pickering, in an extensive study of Darwin's illness, concluded that in
his early thirties, Darwin became an "invalid recluse" (1974, p. 34).
UCLA School of Medicine Professor Dr. Robert Pasnau (1990, p. 123)
noted that Darwin also "remained ill almost continually" for the entire
five years that he was on his HMS Beagle trip.

Dozens of scholarly articles and at least three books have been penned
on the question of Darwin's illness. The current conclusion is that
Darwin suffered from several serious and incapacitating psychiatric
disorders, including agoraphobia. Agoraphobia is characterized by fear
of panic attacks (or actual panic attacks) when not in a
psychologically safe environment, such as at home. Darwin, as is common
among agoraphobiacs, also developed many additional phobias-being in
crowds, being alone, or leaving home unless accompanied by his wife
(Kaplan and Sadock, 1990, pp. 958-959).

Agoraphobia is also frequently associated with depersonalization (a
feeling of being detached from, and outside of, one's own body), a
malady that Darwin also suffered (Barloon and Noyes, 1997, p. 138). A
study of Darwin's mental condition by Barloon and Noyes concluded that
Darwin suffered from anxiety disorders that so severely impaired his
functioning that it limited his ability to leave his home, even just to
meet with colleagues or other friends. This diagnosis likely explains
his very secluded, hermit-like lifestyle (1997, p. 138). It also helps
to explain the title of Desmond and Moore's 1991 biography of Darwin:
Darwin: The Life of a Tormented Evolutionist.

Other Psychiatric and Medical Problems
Colp (1977, p. 97) concluded that "much of Darwin's daily life was
lived on a rack which consisted of fluctuating degrees of pain" that
was sometimes so severe that Darwin called it "distressingly great."
Darwin's many psychological or psychologically influenced physical
health symptoms included severe depression, insomnia, hysterical
crying, dying sensations, shaking, fainting spells, muscle twitches,
shortness of breath, trembling, nausea, vomiting, severe anxiety,
depersonalization, seeing spots, treading on air and vision, and other
visual hallucinations (Barloon and Noyes, 1997, p. 139; Picover, 1998,
p. 290; Colp, 1977, p. 97; Bean, 1978, p. 573). The physical symptoms
included headaches, cardiac palpitations, ringing in ears (possibly
tinnitus), painful flatulence, and gastric upsets-all of which
commonly have a psychological origin (Pasnau, 1990). Colp noted that
"behind these symptoms there was always a core of anxiety and
depression" (1977, p. 97). Some speculate that part of Darwin's mental
problems were due to his nagging, gnawing fear that he had devoted his
"life to a fantasy"-and a "dangerous one" at that (Desmond and Moore,
1991, p. 477). This fear was that his theory was false and there was,
in fact, a divine Creator.

Darwin's behavior also indicates that he suffered from a mental
disorder. Although devoted to his wife and daughters, he "treated them
as children" even after his daughters were fully grown (Picover, 1998,
p. 289). Some of Darwin's statements to others also cast doubt on his
mental stability. For example, in 1875 he wrote the following words to
fellow scientist Robert Hooker:

You ask about my book, & all that I can say is that I am ready to
commit suicide: I thought it was decently written, but find so much
wants rewriting. . . . I begin to think that every one who publishes a
book is a fool (quoted in Colp, 1977, p. 228).
Colp noted that Darwin's son Leonard claimed that his father's illness
even interfered with his feelings for his children. For example,
Leonard once noted that

As a young lad I went up to my father when strolling about the lawn,
and he . . . turned away as if quite incapable of carrying on any
conversation. Then there suddenly shot through my mind the conviction
that he wished he was no longer alive (quoted in Colp, 1977, p. 100).
Darwin's mental problems were considered so severe that Picover (1998,
p. 289) included Darwin in his collection of historical persons that he
calls "strange brains . . . eccentric scientists, and madmen." That
Darwin suffered from several severely disabling maladies is not
debated; the only debate is what caused them (Pasnau, 1990, p. 121).

Other Possible Causes of Darwin's Condition
Others, including Darwin's own wife, argued that his mental problem
stemmed from guilt over his life's goal to refute the argument for God
from design (Bean, 1978,
p. 574; p. 28; Pasnau, 1990, p. 126). Most of the psychoanalytic
studies have argued that his problems were a result of his repressed
anger toward his tyrannical father and "the slaying of his heavenly
father" by his theory (Pasnau, 1990, p. 122).

Diagnosis of the cause of Darwin's mental and physical disorders
include parasitic disease (Chaga's disease-caused by an insect common
in South America), arsenic poisoning, and possibly even an inner ear
disorder (Picover, 1998, p. 290; Pasnau, 1990). All of these causes
have largely been refuted. Many persons conclude he had a classic,
essential mental disturbance bordering on psychosis (a severe,
incapacitating mental disorder). Regardless of the diagnosis, Darwin's
condition was clearly incapacitating, often for months at a time, and
rendered him an invalid for much of his life, especially in the prime
of his life.

Arnold Sorsby concluded that Darwin was also an obsessive-compulsive
and gives the following evidence:

If Chagas's disease did not cause Darwin's symptoms what did? My
personal diagnosis would be an anxiety state with obsessive features
and psychosomatic manifestations. Anxiety clearly precipitated much of
his physical trouble, and regarding the obsessive component there are
several important points. . . .
Darwin exhibited the obsessional's trait of having everything "just
so"; he kept meticulous records of his health and symptoms like many
obsessional hypochondriacs. Everything had to be in its place; he even
had a special drawer for the sponge which he used in bathing . . . Then
there is the health diary he kept. Days and nights were given a score
according to how good they were; the score was added up at the end of
each week, and there is evidence of frequent changing of mind in
deciding whether a night was very good or just good (1974, p. 228).

Darwin's Own Words about His Condition
In addition to the diary on his health problems and complaints (Colp,
1977, p. 136), he frequently discussed his health problems in his
letters and his autobiography. Darwin's own description of his
condition included the following: "I am forced to live, . . . very
quietly and am able to see scarcely anybody and cannot even talk long
with my nearest relations" (quoted in Bowlby, 1990, p. 240). Darwin
once complained that speaking for only "a few minutes" to the Linnean
Society "brought on 24 hours vomiting" (Darwin, 1994, pp. 98-99). At
another time, Darwin had a "house full of guests" and after he visited
the parish church for a christening, he was "back to square one" and
his good health "had vanished `like a flash of lightning'" and sickness
(including the vomiting) returned (Desmond and Moore, 1991, p. 456).
The suddenness of his illness, as illustrated by these incidents,
indicates that his incapacitating episodes were psychological in
origin.

Another side of Darwin revealed his sadistic impulses. His own words
taken from his autobiography give a vivid example:

In the latter part of my school life I became passionately fond of
shooting, and I do not believe that anyone could have shown more zeal
for the most holy cause than I did for shooting birds. How well I
remember killing my first snipe, and my excitement was so great that I
had much difficulty in reloading my gun from the trembling of my hands.
This taste long continued and I became a very good shot (1958, p. 44).

The fact that he loved killing so much that killing his first bird
caused him to tremble with excitement could certainly indicate a
sadistic streak in Darwin. His passion for killing birds is well known.
One wonders if this "passion" for killing may have, in part, motivated
his ruthless "survival of the fittest" tooth and claw theory of natural
selection.

Conclusions
Darwin was clearly a very troubled man and suffered from severe
emotional problems for most of his adult life, especially when he was
in the prime of life. The exact cause of his mental and many physical
problems has been much debated and may never be known for certain.
Since Darwin wrote extensively about his mental and physical problems,
we have much material on which to base a reasonable conclusion about
this area of his life. The diagnosis of the cause of his mental and
physical problems includes a variety of debilitating conditions, but
agoraphobia with the addition of psychoneurosis is most probably
correct.

Unfortunately, most writers have shied away from this topic, partly
because Darwin is now idolized by many scientists and others. Often
listed as one of the greatest scientists of the nineteenth century, if
not the greatest scientist that ever lived, Darwin is one of the few
scientists known to most Americans. To understand Darwin as a person
and his motivations, one must consider his mental condition and how it
affected his work and conclusions.

References
Barloon, Thomas and Russell Noyes, Jr. 1997. "Charles Darwin and Panic
Disorder." JAMA 277(2):138-141.

Barlow, Nora, ed. 1958. The Autobiography of Charles Darwin 1809-1882.
NY: Norton.

Bean, W. B. 1978. "The Illness of Charles Darwin." The American Journal
of Medicine 65(4):572-574.

Bowlby, John. 1990. Charles Darwin: A New Life. NY: Norton.

Colp, Ralph Jr. 1977. To Be an Invalid: The Illness of Charles Darwin.
Chicago, IL: University of Chicago.

Darwin, Charles. 1994. The Correspondence of Charles Darwin. Cambridge,
England: Cambridge University. Vol. 9.

Desmond, Adrian and James Moore. 1991. Darwin: The Life of a Tormented
Evolutionist. NY: Warner Books.

Grigg, Russell. 1995. "Darwin's Mystery Illness." Creation Ex Nihilo
17(4):28-30.

Horan, Patricia G. 1979. Foreword to The Origin of Species. NY:
Gramercy Books.

Kaplan, Harold I. and Benjamin J. Sadock, ed. 1990. Comprehensive
Textbook of Psychiatry/V. Volume 1 Fifth Edition. NY: Williams and
Wilkins.

Pasnau, R. O. 1990. "Darwin's Illness: A Biopsychosocial Perspective."
Psychosomatics 31(2):121-128.

Pickering, George. 1974. Creative Malady. NY: Oxford University Press.

Picover, Clifford A. 1998. Strange Brains and Genius: The Secret Lives
of Eccentric Scientists and Madmen. NY: Quill William Morrow.

Ruse, Michael. 2003. "Is Evolution a Secular Religion?" Science
299:1523-1524.

Sorsby, Arnold, ed. 1974. Tenements of Clay. NY: Charles Scribner's
Sons.


*Dr. Bergman is on the Biology faculty at Northwest State College in
Ohio.




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User: "george"

Title: Re: Was Charles Darwin Psychotic? 03 Sep 2005 03:43:29 PM
Crusader wrote:

He did commit suicide.

If you mean Darwin. No.
However if you're refering to 'words of wisdom' it's something that I'd
expect
.


User: "Crusader"

Title: Re: Was Charles Darwin Psychotic? 26 Sep 2005 11:26:48 PM
He did, kill himself.,that isn`t rational ..wait, i forgot he was an
atheist!
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Was Charles Darwin Psychotic? A Study of His Mental Health

by Jerry Bergman, Ph.D


http://www.icr.org/index.php?module=articles&action=view&ID=112

Abstract
Darwin was clearly a very troubled man and suffered from severe
emotional problems for most of his adult life, especially when he was
in the prime of life. The exact cause of his mental and many physical
problems has been much debated and may never be known for certain.


Introduction


Darwin's many lifelong and serious illnesses have been the subject of
much speculation and study for over a century. Darwin stated that his
health problems began as early as 1825 when he was only sixteen years
old, and became incapacitating around age 28 (Barloon and Noyes, 1997,
p. 138). Horan (1979, p. ix) concluded that Darwin was "ill and
reclusively confined to his home in Kent for forty years." Darwinian
scholar Michael Ruse even concluded that "Darwin himself was an invalid
from the age of 30" (2003, p. 1523). And medical doctor George
Pickering, in an extensive study of Darwin's illness, concluded that in
his early thirties, Darwin became an "invalid recluse" (1974, p. 34).
UCLA School of Medicine Professor Dr. Robert Pasnau (1990, p. 123)
noted that Darwin also "remained ill almost continually" for the entire
five years that he was on his HMS Beagle trip.

Dozens of scholarly articles and at least three books have been penned
on the question of Darwin's illness. The current conclusion is that
Darwin suffered from several serious and incapacitating psychiatric
disorders, including agoraphobia. Agoraphobia is characterized by fear
of panic attacks (or actual panic attacks) when not in a
psychologically safe environment, such as at home. Darwin, as is common
among agoraphobiacs, also developed many additional phobias-being in
crowds, being alone, or leaving home unless accompanied by his wife
(Kaplan and Sadock, 1990, pp. 958-959).

Agoraphobia is also frequently associated with depersonalization (a
feeling of being detached from, and outside of, one's own body), a
malady that Darwin also suffered (Barloon and Noyes, 1997, p. 138). A
study of Darwin's mental condition by Barloon and Noyes concluded that
Darwin suffered from anxiety disorders that so severely impaired his
functioning that it limited his ability to leave his home, even just to
meet with colleagues or other friends. This diagnosis likely explains
his very secluded, hermit-like lifestyle (1997, p. 138). It also helps
to explain the title of Desmond and Moore's 1991 biography of Darwin:
Darwin: The Life of a Tormented Evolutionist.

Other Psychiatric and Medical Problems
Colp (1977, p. 97) concluded that "much of Darwin's daily life was
lived on a rack which consisted of fluctuating degrees of pain" that
was sometimes so severe that Darwin called it "distressingly great."
Darwin's many psychological or psychologically influenced physical
health symptoms included severe depression, insomnia, hysterical
crying, dying sensations, shaking, fainting spells, muscle twitches,
shortness of breath, trembling, nausea, vomiting, severe anxiety,
depersonalization, seeing spots, treading on air and vision, and other
visual hallucinations (Barloon and Noyes, 1997, p. 139; Picover, 1998,
p. 290; Colp, 1977, p. 97; Bean, 1978, p. 573). The physical symptoms
included headaches, cardiac palpitations, ringing in ears (possibly
tinnitus), painful flatulence, and gastric upsets-all of which
commonly have a psychological origin (Pasnau, 1990). Colp noted that
"behind these symptoms there was always a core of anxiety and
depression" (1977, p. 97). Some speculate that part of Darwin's mental
problems were due to his nagging, gnawing fear that he had devoted his
"life to a fantasy"-and a "dangerous one" at that (Desmond and Moore,
1991, p. 477). This fear was that his theory was false and there was,
in fact, a divine Creator.

Darwin's behavior also indicates that he suffered from a mental
disorder. Although devoted to his wife and daughters, he "treated them
as children" even after his daughters were fully grown (Picover, 1998,
p. 289). Some of Darwin's statements to others also cast doubt on his
mental stability. For example, in 1875 he wrote the following words to
fellow scientist Robert Hooker:

You ask about my book, & all that I can say is that I am ready to
commit suicide: I thought it was decently written, but find so much
wants rewriting. . . . I begin to think that every one who publishes a
book is a fool (quoted in Colp, 1977, p. 228).
Colp noted that Darwin's son Leonard claimed that his father's illness
even interfered with his feelings for his children. For example,
Leonard once noted that

As a young lad I went up to my father when strolling about the lawn,
and he . . . turned away as if quite incapable of carrying on any
conversation. Then there suddenly shot through my mind the conviction
that he wished he was no longer alive (quoted in Colp, 1977, p. 100).
Darwin's mental problems were considered so severe that Picover (1998,
p. 289) included Darwin in his collection of historical persons that he
calls "strange brains . . . eccentric scientists, and madmen." That
Darwin suffered from several severely disabling maladies is not
debated; the only debate is what caused them (Pasnau, 1990, p. 121).

Other Possible Causes of Darwin's Condition
Others, including Darwin's own wife, argued that his mental problem
stemmed from guilt over his life's goal to refute the argument for God
from design (Bean, 1978,
p. 574; p. 28; Pasnau, 1990, p. 126). Most of the psychoanalytic
studies have argued that his problems were a result of his repressed
anger toward his tyrannical father and "the slaying of his heavenly
father" by his theory (Pasnau, 1990, p. 122).

Diagnosis of the cause of Darwin's mental and physical disorders
include parasitic disease (Chaga's disease-caused by an insect common
in South America), arsenic poisoning, and possibly even an inner ear
disorder (Picover, 1998, p. 290; Pasnau, 1990). All of these causes
have largely been refuted. Many persons conclude he had a classic,
essential mental disturbance bordering on psychosis (a severe,
incapacitating mental disorder). Regardless of the diagnosis, Darwin's
condition was clearly incapacitating, often for months at a time, and
rendered him an invalid for much of his life, especially in the prime
of his life.

Arnold Sorsby concluded that Darwin was also an obsessive-compulsive
and gives the following evidence:

If Chagas's disease did not cause Darwin's symptoms what did? My
personal diagnosis would be an anxiety state with obsessive features
and psychosomatic manifestations. Anxiety clearly precipitated much of
his physical trouble, and regarding the obsessive component there are
several important points. . . .
Darwin exhibited the obsessional's trait of having everything "just
so"; he kept meticulous records of his health and symptoms like many
obsessional hypochondriacs. Everything had to be in its place; he even
had a special drawer for the sponge which he used in bathing . . . Then
there is the health diary he kept. Days and nights were given a score
according to how good they were; the score was added up at the end of
each week, and there is evidence of frequent changing of mind in
deciding whether a night was very good or just good (1974, p. 228).

Darwin's Own Words about His Condition
In addition to the diary on his health problems and complaints (Colp,
1977, p. 136), he frequently discussed his health problems in his
letters and his autobiography. Darwin's own description of his
condition included the following: "I am forced to live, . . . very
quietly and am able to see scarcely anybody and cannot even talk long
with my nearest relations" (quoted in Bowlby, 1990, p. 240). Darwin
once complained that speaking for only "a few minutes" to the Linnean
Society "brought on 24 hours vomiting" (Darwin, 1994, pp. 98-99). At
another time, Darwin had a "house full of guests" and after he visited
the parish church for a christening, he was "back to square one" and
his good health "had vanished `like a flash of lightning'" and sickness
(including the vomiting) returned (Desmond and Moore, 1991, p. 456).
The suddenness of his illness, as illustrated by these incidents,
indicates that his incapacitating episodes were psychological in
origin.

Another side of Darwin revealed his sadistic impulses. His own words
taken from his autobiography give a vivid example:

In the latter part of my school life I became passionately fond of
shooting, and I do not believe that anyone could have shown more zeal
for the most holy cause than I did for shooting birds. How well I
remember killing my first snipe, and my excitement was so great that I
had much difficulty in reloading my gun from the trembling of my hands.
This taste long continued and I became a very good shot (1958, p. 44).

The fact that he loved killing so much that killing his first bird
caused him to tremble with excitement could certainly indicate a
sadistic streak in Darwin. His passion for killing birds is well known.
One wonders if this "passion" for killing may have, in part, motivated
his ruthless "survival of the fittest" tooth and claw theory of natural
selection.

Conclusions
Darwin was clearly a very troubled man and suffered from severe
emotional problems for most of his adult life, especially when he was
in the prime of life. The exact cause of his mental and many physical
problems has been much debated and may never be known for certain.
Since Darwin wrote extensively about his mental and physical problems,
we have much material on which to base a reasonable conclusion about
this area of his life. The diagnosis of the cause of his mental and
physical problems includes a variety of debilitating conditions, but
agoraphobia with the addition of psychoneurosis is most probably
correct.

Unfortunately, most writers have shied away from this topic, partly
because Darwin is now idolized by many scientists and others. Often
listed as one of the greatest scientists of the nineteenth century, if
not the greatest scientist that ever lived, Darwin is one of the few
scientists known to most Americans. To understand Darwin as a person
and his motivations, one must consider his mental condition and how it
affected his work and conclusions.

References
Barloon, Thomas and Russell Noyes, Jr. 1997. "Charles Darwin and Panic
Disorder." JAMA 277(2):138-141.

Barlow, Nora, ed. 1958. The Autobiography of Charles Darwin 1809-1882.
NY: Norton.

Bean, W. B. 1978. "The Illness of Charles Darwin." The American Journal
of Medicine 65(4):572-574.

Bowlby, John. 1990. Charles Darwin: A New Life. NY: Norton.

Colp, Ralph Jr. 1977. To Be an Invalid: The Illness of Charles Darwin.
Chicago, IL: University of Chicago.

Darwin, Charles. 1994. The Correspondence of Charles Darwin. Cambridge,
England: Cambridge University. Vol. 9.

Desmond, Adrian and James Moore. 1991. Darwin: The Life of a Tormented
Evolutionist. NY: Warner Books.

Grigg, Russell. 1995. "Darwin's Mystery Illness." Creation Ex Nihilo
17(4):28-30.

Horan, Patricia G. 1979. Foreword to The Origin of Species. NY:
Gramercy Books.

Kaplan, Harold I. and Benjamin J. Sadock, ed. 1990. Comprehensive
Textbook of Psychiatry/V. Volume 1 Fifth Edition. NY: Williams and
Wilkins.

Pasnau, R. O. 1990. "Darwin's Illness: A Biopsychosocial Perspective."
Psychosomatics 31(2):121-128.

Pickering, George. 1974. Creative Malady. NY: Oxford University Press.

Picover, Clifford A. 1998. Strange Brains and Genius: The Secret Lives
of Eccentric Scientists and Madmen. NY: Quill William Morrow.

Ruse, Michael. 2003. "Is Evolution a Secular Religion?" Science
299:1523-1524.

Sorsby, Arnold, ed. 1974. Tenements of Clay. NY: Charles Scribner's
Sons.


*Dr. Bergman is on the Biology faculty at Northwest State College in
Ohio.




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User: "Elf M. Sternberg"

Title: Re: Was Charles Darwin Psychotic? 27 Sep 2005 08:49:47 AM
"Crusader" <yxz@white.com> writes:

He did, kill himself.,that isn`t rational ..wait, i forgot he was an
atheist!

Is that another one of those lies that Christians tell one
another to assure themselves that the other side is made up of demons
worthy only of death?
Elf
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User: "Pastor Dave"

Title: Re: Was Charles Darwin Psychotic? 26 Sep 2005 11:33:07 PM
On Tue, 27 Sep 2005 00:26:48 -0400, "Crusader"
<yxz@white.com> spake thusly:

He did, kill himself.,that isn`t rational ..wait, i forgot he was an
atheist!

Yup. He sure did kill himself. The day he rejected the
One, True King!
--
Pastor Dave Raymond
1st Century Church of Christ
All those who wish to pretend
to be Christians, while promoting
anti-Biblical doctrines, will be
called on their heresy.
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User: "Alan"

Title: Re: Was Charles Darwin Psychotic? 27 Sep 2005 08:04:44 AM
"Pastor Dave" <1news-group-mail1@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote in message
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On Tue, 27 Sep 2005 00:26:48 -0400, "Crusader"
<yxz@white.com> spake thusly:


He did, kill himself.,that isn`t rational ..wait, i forgot he was an
atheist!


Yup. He sure did kill himself. The day he rejected the
One, True King!

Yes, the ONE TRUE KING: http://www.venganza.org
Alan
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User: "John Baker"

Title: Re: Was Charles Darwin Psychotic? 27 Sep 2005 12:05:37 PM
On Tue, 27 Sep 2005 00:26:48 -0400, "Crusader" <yxz@white.com> wrote:

He did, kill himself.,that isn`t rational ..wait, i forgot he was an
atheist!

Even if this were true, which it isn't, so what? Like any other
scientific theory, the ToE stands or falls on its own merits, and
although evolutionary theory has advanced significantly since Darwin's
day, all the evidence still shows that he was essentially correct. <